The ideal American Political Party (Chuz Life's version)

[Chuz Life]

I am on record on many forums poo pooing the idea of anyone trying to form a new political party to compete against Republicans and Democrats. There have been so many failed attempts through the years, it's quite obvious (to me) that a viable 3rd Political party in the U.S. is not likely going to rival the GOP or the DNC, in my remaining lifetime. I already have several personal ideas for a Party Name, Symbol, Basic Philosophy, Planks for the Platform, etc. And I hope to share all that in my following posts.

Anyone who tries to use this thread to personally attack, disrupt, and/ or derail will be put on ignore and possibly be reported. If you don't agree with something, fine. Feel free to share why you think a different view is better.

I'm including a 20 Question Poll. Please select all that apply, and remember, you can change your answers if you want to.

 

[candycorn]

I am on record on many forums poo pooing the idea of anyone trying to form a new political party to compete against Republicans and Democrats. There have been so many failed attempts through the years, it's quite obvious (to me) that a viable 3rd Political party in the U.S. is not likely going to rival the GOP or the DNC, in my remaining lifetime. I already have several personal ideas for a Party Name, Symbol, Basic Philosophy, Planks for the Platform, etc. And I hope to share all that in my following posts.

Anyone who tries to use this thread to personally attack, disrupt, and/ or derail will be put on ignore and possibly be reported. If you don't agree with something, fine. Feel free to share why you think a different view is better.

I'm including a 20 Question Poll. Please select all that apply, and remember, you can change your answers if you want to.

The two party system has served the nation very well for a very long time.

If you have 3, 4, or 5 parties and if they are viable, you'll have essentially a coalition government. As this is the norm (or at least prevalent) in other democracies, one would have to wonder why you'd want to trade what has worked for so well and so long for those system that seem to have not worked as well.

The US has formed the greatest civilization to ever inhabit the planet. Full stop.

What has happened lately is that the right wing has become sorely misguided (putting it mildly) in what made us the greatest civilization. Did it work perfectly in the past? Never. But like the unfinished pyramid on the back of the $1 bill, the nation is unfinished and mistakes will be made, shortcomings will be exposed, and yes...bad actors will corrupt the system. Eventually, the ship will either right itself or we will perish as a nation. I tend to think the crazy uncles on the right will realize they are far out of the depth at some point and sanity will take over from those who do laughable things like signing treaties with the Taliban and encouraging insurrections. Maybe not. But it will not happen overnight and bitter lessons will be learned. Hopefully what is left of the sane folks on the right will recapture their ideology.

 

[Chuz Life]

I am on record on many forums poo pooing the idea of anyone trying to form a new political party to compete against Republicans and Democrats. There have been so many failed attempts through the years, it's quite obvious (to me) that a viable 3rd Political party in the U.S. is not likely going to rival the GOP or the DNC, in my remaining lifetime. I already have several personal ideas for a Party Name, Symbol, Basic Philosophy, Planks for the Platform, etc. And I hope to share all that in my following posts.

Anyone who tries to use this thread to personally attack, disrupt, and/ or derail will be put on ignore and possibly be reported. If you don't agree with something, fine. Feel free to share why you think a different view is better.

I'm including a 20 Question Poll. Please select all that apply, and remember, you can change your answers if you want to.

I ran out of edit time to get to 20 questions on the Poll.

 

[progressive hunter]

The two party system has served the nation very well for a very long time.

If you have 3, 4, or 5 parties and if they are viable, you'll have essentially a coalition government. As this is the norm (or at least prevalent) in other democracies, one would have to wonder why you'd want to trade what has worked for so well and so long for those system that seem to have not worked as well.

The US has formed the greatest civilization to ever inhabit the planet. Full stop.

What has happened lately is that the right wing has become sorely misguided (putting it mildly) in what made us the greatest civilization. Did it work perfectly in the past? Never. But like the unfinished pyramid on the back of the $1 bill, the nation is unfinished and mistakes will be made, shortcomings will be exposed, and yes...bad actors will corrupt the system. Eventually, the ship will either right itself or we will perish as a nation. I tend to think the crazy uncles on the right will realize they are far out of the depth at some point and sanity will take over from those who do laughable things like signing treaties with the Taliban and encouraging insurrections. Maybe not. But it will not happen overnight and bitter lessons will be learned. Hopefully what is left of the sane folks on the right will recapture their ideology.

so you call 37 trillion in debt and a country divided like never seen before as having "served the nation very well for a long time"??

you and I have a very different view of that,,

 

[Chuz Life]

The two party system has served the nation very well for a very long time.

If you have 3, 4, or 5 parties and if they are viable, you'll have essentially a coalition government. As this is the norm (or at least prevalent) in other democracies, one would have to wonder why you'd want to trade what has worked for so well and so long for those system that seem to have not worked as well.

The US has formed the greatest civilization to ever inhabit the planet. Full stop.

What has happened lately is that the right wing has become sorely misguided (putting it mildly) in what made us the greatest civilization. Did it work perfectly in the past? Never. But like the unfinished pyramid on the back of the $1 bill, the nation is unfinished and mistakes will be made, shortcomings will be exposed, and yes...bad actors will corrupt the system. Eventually, the ship will either right itself or we will perish as a nation. I tend to think the crazy uncles on the right will realize they are far out of the depth at some point and sanity will take over from those who do laughable things like signing treaties with the Taliban and encouraging insurrections. Maybe not. But it will not happen overnight and bitter lessons will be learned. Hopefully what is left of the sane folks on the right will recapture their ideology.

You raise some points that hadn't occurred to me, yet. Mainly about the coalition aspect. But I'm not entirely dissuaded by that. I can see some benefit to it, too. In my view, the winner gets to rule, even if they got there by coalition.

Look at how the few "independents" in the House and Senate try to flex that way, already. They never get to actually "rule" because they just aren't principled and organized enough to even steer the majority.

Good insights though.

 

[candycorn]

so you call 37 trillion in debt and a country divided like never seen before as having "served the nation very well for a long time"??

Yes I do.

you and I have a very different view of that,,

Okay...name a nation from 1887 onward that has had a better run than the US.

 

[gtopa1]

I LOVE The US Constitution and agree that MY rights are GOD GIVEN AND INALIENABLE even though many systems do not explicitly state it. I am a Constitutional Monarchist in Australia and one of the reasons is that it has taken hundreds of years to get it right so why start from scratch again with models that could very well fail. There are others of course but that is another matter.

As for multiple parties; I don't see a need really except that the Democrats just aren't doing the job of unifying under ONE banner; you have the Loony Left taking the Party AWAY from it's traditional base; the KKK. (Just joking; it's part of the Left now). The Old JFK Blue Dogs are basically disenfranchised so IF the Dems divide then I have no problem. Now for the BIG ONE; I am NOT a first past the poster; I'm all for 50% +1. Eliminate the one with the least votes on the Ballot and direct them as the voter instructs. That way you ensure that no one wins with only 20% of the vote. Sorta like a runoff election but no need for going to the Polling Booth more than ONCE!!!



Just my thoughts.

Greg

 

[gtopa1]

Yes I do.



Okay...name a nation from 1887 onward that has had a better run than the US.

In what way "better"? More powerful and more prosperous? None really. More egalitarian? Oz maybe but not many. But what I like about the US is that it can survive blatantly incompetent Governments and then correct course.

Plus I like a lot about the US though I've never been there.

Greg

 

[progressive hunter]

Yes I do.



Okay...name a nation from 1887 onward that has had a better run than the US.

better run isnt the same as serving the nation well,,

can you name me one country at our level thats 37 trillion in debt while being intentionally divided by those two parties??

 

[Chuz Life]

You guys are quick with responses, so unfortunately, some of my ideas will get buried.

I digress.

Before I forget, when I first imagined starting this thread, I tried to anticipate some of the comments. As I said before, I think it's near futile to try to build a party (especially up from the grass roots) to compete with the GOP and DNC.

It seems the smarter (more efficient) way would be to build a party/ movement that would pull worthy candidates from both the republicans and democrats - who may think the 3rd Party Platform resonates with their views and with the views of their constituents, better.

 

[gtopa1]

You guys are quick with responses, so unfortunately, some of my ideas will get buried.

I digress.

Before I forget, when I first imagined starting this thread, I tried to anticipate some of the comments. As I said before, I think it's near futile to try to build a party (especially up from the grass roots) to compete with the GOP and DNC.

It seems the smarter (more efficient) way would be to build a party/ movement that would pull worthy candidates from both the republicans and democrats - who may think the 3rd Party Platform resonates with their views and with the views of their constituents, better.

I have a funny feeling that the Republicans did that; Kennedy, Tulsi and even Trump himself.

Greg

 

[candycorn]

better run isnt the same as serving the nation well,,

So you are saying that having the best nation (you can't name any other better ones) means the stewards of the nation were not doing a good job? Thats pretty dumb on your part. Its like saying the Patriots franchise is a failure because they are no longer the dominant franchise in the league.

can you name me one country at our level thats 37 trillion in debt while being intentionally divided by those two parties??

I could name over 100 nations that would love to trade places with the US and have out debt and political divisions.

As for divisions, up until the blob came on the scene, we had Presidents that cared about moving the nation forward. A lot of times I disagreed with them but it was never a case of having to wonder if the men who were in the oval office or the persons who were in other high offices in the government understood the job. Today? We cut healthcare to the poorest Americans in favor of giving the ultra wealthy more money. The people running the nation have completely forgotten their responsibility. I'm hopeful after Trump has oozed out of office, we can once again get serious politicians back in office instead of this carnival of idiots who think painting a barrier black will stop people from going over it.

 

[Chuz Life]

I have a funny feeling that the Republicans did that; Kennedy, Tulsi and even Trump himself.

Greg

Proof of Concept!

My point, exactly.

So, hopefully, I can share my platform and founding principal ideas and show how they differ from both the GOP and the DNC.

 

[progressive hunter]

So you are saying that having the best nation (you can't name any other better ones) means the stewards of the nation were not doing a good job? Thats pretty dumb on your part. Its like saying the Patriots franchise is a failure because they are no longer the dominant franchise in the league.




I could name over 100 nations that would love to trade places with the US and have out debt and political divisions.

As for divisions, up until the blob came on the scene, we had Presidents that cared about moving the nation forward. A lot of times I disagreed with them but it was never a case of having to wonder if the men who were in the oval office or the persons who were in other high offices in the government understood the job. Today? We cut healthcare to the poorest Americans in favor of giving the ultra wealthy more money. The people running the nation have completely forgotten their responsibility. I'm hopeful after Trump has oozed out of office, we can once again get serious politicians back in office instead of this carnival of idiots who think painting a barrier black will stop people from going over it.

I am saying that what the two party system has done is got us in 37 trillion in debt and one half the country hating the other because of the two party system,,

I dont see that as working well for the country,,

they are there to represent the people of their state not a political party,,

 

[MisterBeale]

That whole thing went off the rails when Truman allowed the Deep State to take over the Constitutional means of rule of law.

 

[Chuz Life]

It's getting late, and I don't have time to draw an original Rendition for what my ideal party symbol is to be. However, I will announce that it is to be the "Gadsen Party!"

This is close to what I have in mind. But I'll do one of my own, eventually. I would like to see what others come up with too.

SassyIrishLass, this is why I commented on your avatar! I had been exploring this idea for some time, and your avatar reminded me of it.

LOL WIP! (Work in Progress)

 

[candycorn]

I am saying that what the two party system has done is got us in 37 trillion in debt and one half the country hating the other because of the two party system,,

If we had 5 parties...do you really think that we wouldn't have 5 parties hating one another?

As for the deficit, yep you're right we've run up a huge one. Over 20% of which was done by the current President. You don't seem to have any trouble supporting him.

this will be the first time in my 30 yrs of voting where I vote for either a dem or repube at the fed level..

trump has just enough this time I can give him my vote and not feel like I am abandoning my principles,,

Your selective outrage is funny.

I dont see that as working well for the country,,

The history of the nation speaks for itself. Only one nation has footprints on the moon. We have the highest number of Nobel Prize winners, played key roles in winning both world wars, cured diseases, expanded freedom, capital, etc...

I'm not sure what you would call a "win" as nations go but I doubt many serious commentators would question that we've been uniquely successful as a nation.

 

[Mac1958]

To date, the only people I've seen who are satisfied with this awful mess are people who are committed to one party or the other. Their primary goal appears to be "beating" the other party. I don't think that's what the Founders had in mind in terms of priorities.

So I agree with this guy:

 

[Chuz Life]

To date, the only people I've seen who are satisfied with this awful mess are people who are committed to one party or the other. Their primary goal appears to be "beating" the other party. I don't think that's what the Founders had in mind in terms of priorities.

So I agree with this guy:

Same guy who formed a militia and violently overthrew King George?

I wonder if he said that before or after the Revolutionary War.

 

[Mac1958]

Same guy who formed a militia and violently overthrew King George?

I wonder if he said that before or after the Revolutionary War.

All or any of which has nothing to do with his quote about the parties, but I appreciate the effort.