P F Tinmore
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Israel will make excuses against peace until they steal the rest of the land.
The Humanitarian Gaza Flotillas Saga
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Billo_Really
Litre of the Band
Over 100 UN resolutions and every country on the planet, say's you're full of shit, you little dishrag whore.
That's to be expected. Two things to bear in mind when considering islamic ideology and the substance and mechanics of revulsion for the infidel which are: 1.) an integral, doctrinal element of Islamism, prescribed by mohammud (swish) in the koran and delineated in the sunnah of Mo'. (swish) in the hadith, to establish the supremacy of Mo's particular brand of fascism, and 2.) islamic doctrine has never been reformed and made compatible with the modern age through an enlightenment movement in the Moslem world. Islam has never taught equality as it relates to Moslems and the reviled kafir. Islam clearly demarcates between those two entities.
At no time in islamist history have Moslems equated non-Moslems as equals. In fact, Islamism has the dhimmi status, unknown in true religions.
Israel has stolen no land. In fact, Israel has a demonstrated history of giving up land for peace.
Don't you feel like a fool for not knowing facts?
Oh my, Loinboy. Aren't you the angry little short man. Consider writing a strongly worded email to the UN.
But only between two muslim parties, isn't that right. Between a muslim and non muslim the rules are very different
What excuses have they made to date then, detail them from a reliable non partisan source
And every one brokered by a pro Islamic nation that is anti Jew and has Nazi roots
Challenger
Gold Member
Nevermind.. I'll post it for you..
Hamas - 2006 Electoral Campaign Platform - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org
1. Islam is our Reference.
2. Palestine is Arab and Muslim Land.
3. Palestinians are one nation regardless of location.
4. The Palestinian People are still in the process of National Liberation and have the right to use all means including armed struggle to achieve this goal.
5. The right of return to all Palestinians.
6. Adherence to the inalienable rights of the people.
7. Protect and cement National Unity as a priority.
8. The issue of prisoners and detainees tops the agenda ; on the internal policy level the C&R aims at achieving a great number of objectives - among them: Maintaining Palestinian fixed National Aims; Palestinian presence in Jerusalem; political freedom; dialogue as a means to solving internal differences; freedom of expression; assembling movement.
9. The platform of the C&R prohibits: Political detention; shedding Palestinian blood; protection of civil society; directing the security apparatus to safeguarding the security of the citizens.
Among other things the Platform calls for protecting the "Resistance" and enhancing its role to resist Occupation and achieve Liberation.
WEEELLLL .. So much for Palestinian unity or prohibiting "political detention, shedding Palestinian blood, or protection of civil society" ======= THAT -- was 2005. And in 2006, some assistant to the Prime Minister calls for peace and negotiations??????
I thought OUR foreign policy was schizophrenic.
Why did you omit these aspects of the platform?
"A number of measures, based on Islam are to be implemented. A new elections law is to be passed so as to ensure justice and fair representation of our people. All citizens are equal before the Law; arbitrary arrest is taboo. Dialogue should be encouraged and the respect of the other; point of view guaranteed for all; unions are to be independent and domination is unacceptable; political powers are recognized and their role is to be used for the sake of establishing of civil institutions; equal opportunities for all and the principle of the right man for the right job will be applied.
Out of our conviction of the vitality of building a well-rounded Palestinian individual, the C&R attaches great importance to education which will keep abreast of modern innovations. Islam of course will be the core of the Palestinian education philosophy - reforms are to be introduced to the current education system, the C&R details its policy in this regard in 17 items proposed to rehabilitate the system. C&R lists five measures to raise the efficiency of the clergy and regulate and care for mosques and emphasize their educational role.
The Palestinian family, as the nucleus of the Palestinian society, figures high in the C&R platform; 16 items detail the proposed suggestions that will strengthen the family and its role. Palestinian family Laws are to be derived from and conform to the Shari'ah law as far as the society is concerned; reconciliation committees should be activated in order to discharge their role as trouble-shooters.
Culture and media play a vital role in shaping the mentality and thought of citizens, and building up of the nation's personality. Freedom of thinking, expression and fairness and safeguarding the youth from external corruptible influence are chief among the C&R concerns. Official media should work for enhancing the people's steadfastness and resistance.
Women's rights will be guaranteed so that they can contribute to the building of society, socially, economically and politically. Women's organizations should be encouraged. The C&R enumerates the actions that they should take to raise the status of women. Youth care is among the aims to be achieved by the C&R - talents among the young are to be tapped and encouraged.
Public land should be taken care of so that they can be fully utilized to build villages and public housing to be distributed fairly and equally among those in need. Heath Care system is to be reformed and made available to all people, especially the needy. Health care centers will be built to serve all sections of the people wherever they live.
Public health and hygiene will also be taken care of. The environment is to be protected. Agriculture and animal husbandry will be encouraged. Small farms will get credits in order to effectively make use of the land. The use of insecticides should be regulated for full benefits.
On the economic level, the economy and monetary system should be independent from the Zionist entity and its economic and monetary system. The C&R will mint Palestinian currency; self-sufficiency is an ultimate objective to be worked for through a number of measures. International economic agreements will be reconsidered and revised so as to serve the interests of the Palestinian people, chief among them:
*The Paris Economic agreement.
*The Free Trade Agreement with the USA.
*Partnership Agreement with the EU.
*The Economic Agreement with Egypt and Jordan.
The Economic and trade relations with the Arab and Islamic world should be developed. The Palestinian economy should be helped to disengage itself from the dependency on Israeli economy. Income tax laws must be reconsidered and reformed. Labor and unions and occupational societies will be encouraged and developed; minimum wage limit should be established to guarantee a decent standard of living for all, wages and salaries should be linked to the index.
Roads must be updated and modernized; movement among cities and villages should be emphasized and smooth; opening of free crossings between Palestinian territory and Jordan and Egypt. Any foreign interference is rejected; the port and the airport are to be reopened."
Sounds like nation building to me.
RoccoR
Gold Member
montelatici, et al,
I DO NOT think you meant to say this; or meant something other then what you said.
In terms of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), the religion and cultural objectives of Islam is fundamental to the organizational core objectives. "The Islamic Resistance Movement adopts Islam as its way of life. Islam is its creed and religion."
It has only been, in the last decade or so, has Islam (as a religion) come not to be used as a fundamental guide for the Jihad of HAMAS.
This is not to say that HAMAS has an "Islamic warrior ethic" or actually follows the teaching of Islam.
I Think religion is mentioned often in the Islamic Resistance Movement Covenant:
Article One:
The Islamic Resistance Movement: The Movement's programme is Islam.
Article Two:
It is characterised by its deep understanding, accurate comprehension and its complete embrace of all Islamic concepts of all aspects of life, culture, creed, politics, economics, education, society, justice and judgement, the spreading of Islam, education, art, information, science of the occult and conversion to Islam.
Article Five:
Time extent of the Islamic Resistance Movement: By adopting Islam as its way of life, the Movement goes back to the time of the birth of the Islamic message, of the righteous ancestor, for Allah is its target, the Prophet is its example and the Koran is its constitution. Its extent in place is anywhere that there are Moslems who embrace Islam as their way of life everywhere in the globe.
Article Six:
It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.
In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out.
Article Nine:
The Islamic Resistance Movement found itself at a time when Islam has disappeared from life. Thus, when Islam is absent from the arena, everything changes. From this state of affairs the incentives are drawn.
As for the objectives: They are the fighting against the false, defeating it and vanquishing it so that justice could prevail, homelands be retrieved and from its mosques would the voice of the mu'azen emerge declaring the establishment of the state of Islam, so that people and things would return each to their right places and Allah is our helper.
Article Seventeen:
They consider that if they are able to direct and bring her up they way they wish, far from Islam, they would have won the battle.
The day Islam is in control of guiding the affairs of life, these organizations, hostile to humanity and Islam, will be obliterated.
Article Twenty-Two:
These forces take turns in doing that. The day Islam appears, the forces of infidelity would unite to challenge it, for the infidels are of one nation.
Article Twenty-Eight:
They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam.
Article Thirty-Six:
The Islamic Resistance Movement adopts Islam as its way of life. Islam is its creed and religion. Whoever takes Islam as his way of life, be it an organization, a grouping, a country or any other body, the Islamic Resistance Movement considers itself as their soldiers and nothing more.
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Most Respectfully,
R
I DO NOT think you meant to say this; or meant something other then what you said.
In terms of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), the religion and cultural objectives of Islam is fundamental to the organizational core objectives. "The Islamic Resistance Movement adopts Islam as its way of life. Islam is its creed and religion."
It has only been, in the last decade or so, has Islam (as a religion) come not to be used as a fundamental guide for the Jihad of HAMAS.
This is not to say that HAMAS has an "Islamic warrior ethic" or actually follows the teaching of Islam.
“To whoever, male or female, does good deeds and has faith,
We shall give a good life and reward them according to the best of their actions.” (16:97)
We shall give a good life and reward them according to the best of their actions.” (16:97)
(COMMENT)
I Think religion is mentioned often in the Islamic Resistance Movement Covenant:
Article One:
The Islamic Resistance Movement: The Movement's programme is Islam.
Article Two:
It is characterised by its deep understanding, accurate comprehension and its complete embrace of all Islamic concepts of all aspects of life, culture, creed, politics, economics, education, society, justice and judgement, the spreading of Islam, education, art, information, science of the occult and conversion to Islam.
Article Five:
Time extent of the Islamic Resistance Movement: By adopting Islam as its way of life, the Movement goes back to the time of the birth of the Islamic message, of the righteous ancestor, for Allah is its target, the Prophet is its example and the Koran is its constitution. Its extent in place is anywhere that there are Moslems who embrace Islam as their way of life everywhere in the globe.
Article Six:
It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.
In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out.
Article Nine:
The Islamic Resistance Movement found itself at a time when Islam has disappeared from life. Thus, when Islam is absent from the arena, everything changes. From this state of affairs the incentives are drawn.
As for the objectives: They are the fighting against the false, defeating it and vanquishing it so that justice could prevail, homelands be retrieved and from its mosques would the voice of the mu'azen emerge declaring the establishment of the state of Islam, so that people and things would return each to their right places and Allah is our helper.
Article Seventeen:
They consider that if they are able to direct and bring her up they way they wish, far from Islam, they would have won the battle.
The day Islam is in control of guiding the affairs of life, these organizations, hostile to humanity and Islam, will be obliterated.
Article Twenty-Two:
These forces take turns in doing that. The day Islam appears, the forces of infidelity would unite to challenge it, for the infidels are of one nation.
Article Twenty-Eight:
They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam.
Article Thirty-Six:
The Islamic Resistance Movement adopts Islam as its way of life. Islam is its creed and religion. Whoever takes Islam as his way of life, be it an organization, a grouping, a country or any other body, the Islamic Resistance Movement considers itself as their soldiers and nothing more.
[/lndent]
Most Respectfully,
R
Challenger
Gold Member
HAMAS has diplomats and are the legitimately elected government of Palestine, until the next elections, unlike Abbas whose term has long expired and who carries no legitimacy whatsoever and the Fatah faction who lost the last election. The British government ended up talking to the Provisional IRA and now we have peace. Churchill said "Jaw-jaw is better than war-war." Even the US State Department opened diplomatic links with Hamas when they were elected; that is until the Zionist Israel lobby and the Zionist Israeli governments blew their collective fuses and forced the US to declare HAMAS a terrorist organisation. Hamas wanted peace from the outset, Israel refused. after the 1948 war President Husni al-Za'im offered Ben-Gurion peace, full diplomatic recognition of the state of Zionist Israel and to absorb most of the Palestinian refugees in Syria as full citizens and to resettle them in the North of the country away from Israel's border, in exchange for a small parcel of some disputed land along the Syrian Israeli border which he could sell to his people as a "victory". Ben Gurion never bothered to reply and the Zionists have been refusing to negotiate in good faith ever since. The Zionists need war, need constant conflict in order to expand their state..."from the Euphrates to the sea."
Nevermind.. I'll post it for you..
Hamas - 2006 Electoral Campaign Platform - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org
1. Islam is our Reference.
2. Palestine is Arab and Muslim Land.
3. Palestinians are one nation regardless of location.
4. The Palestinian People are still in the process of National Liberation and have the right to use all means including armed struggle to achieve this goal.
5. The right of return to all Palestinians.
6. Adherence to the inalienable rights of the people.
7. Protect and cement National Unity as a priority.
8. The issue of prisoners and detainees tops the agenda ; on the internal policy level the C&R aims at achieving a great number of objectives - among them: Maintaining Palestinian fixed National Aims; Palestinian presence in Jerusalem; political freedom; dialogue as a means to solving internal differences; freedom of expression; assembling movement.
9. The platform of the C&R prohibits: Political detention; shedding Palestinian blood; protection of civil society; directing the security apparatus to safeguarding the security of the citizens.
Among other things the Platform calls for protecting the "Resistance" and enhancing its role to resist Occupation and achieve Liberation.
WEEELLLL .. So much for Palestinian unity or prohibiting "political detention, shedding Palestinian blood, or protection of civil society" ======= THAT -- was 2005. And in 2006, some assistant to the Prime Minister calls for peace and negotiations??????
I thought OUR foreign policy was schizophrenic.
Why did you omit these aspects of the platform?
"A number of measures, based on Islam are to be implemented. A new elections law is to be passed so as to ensure justice and fair representation of our people. All citizens are equal before the Law; arbitrary arrest is taboo. Dialogue should be encouraged and the respect of the other; point of view guaranteed for all; unions are to be independent and domination is unacceptable; political powers are recognized and their role is to be used for the sake of establishing of civil institutions; equal opportunities for all and the principle of the right man for the right job will be applied.
Out of our conviction of the vitality of building a well-rounded Palestinian individual, the C&R attaches great importance to education which will keep abreast of modern innovations. Islam of course will be the core of the Palestinian education philosophy - reforms are to be introduced to the current education system, the C&R details its policy in this regard in 17 items proposed to rehabilitate the system. C&R lists five measures to raise the efficiency of the clergy and regulate and care for mosques and emphasize their educational role.
The Palestinian family, as the nucleus of the Palestinian society, figures high in the C&R platform; 16 items detail the proposed suggestions that will strengthen the family and its role. Palestinian family Laws are to be derived from and conform to the Shari'ah law as far as the society is concerned; reconciliation committees should be activated in order to discharge their role as trouble-shooters.
Culture and media play a vital role in shaping the mentality and thought of citizens, and building up of the nation's personality. Freedom of thinking, expression and fairness and safeguarding the youth from external corruptible influence are chief among the C&R concerns. Official media should work for enhancing the people's steadfastness and resistance.
Women's rights will be guaranteed so that they can contribute to the building of society, socially, economically and politically. Women's organizations should be encouraged. The C&R enumerates the actions that they should take to raise the status of women. Youth care is among the aims to be achieved by the C&R - talents among the young are to be tapped and encouraged.
Public land should be taken care of so that they can be fully utilized to build villages and public housing to be distributed fairly and equally among those in need. Heath Care system is to be reformed and made available to all people, especially the needy. Health care centers will be built to serve all sections of the people wherever they live.
Public health and hygiene will also be taken care of. The environment is to be protected. Agriculture and animal husbandry will be encouraged. Small farms will get credits in order to effectively make use of the land. The use of insecticides should be regulated for full benefits.
On the economic level, the economy and monetary system should be independent from the Zionist entity and its economic and monetary system. The C&R will mint Palestinian currency; self-sufficiency is an ultimate objective to be worked for through a number of measures. International economic agreements will be reconsidered and revised so as to serve the interests of the Palestinian people, chief among them:
*The Paris Economic agreement.
*The Free Trade Agreement with the USA.
*Partnership Agreement with the EU.
*The Economic Agreement with Egypt and Jordan.
The Economic and trade relations with the Arab and Islamic world should be developed. The Palestinian economy should be helped to disengage itself from the dependency on Israeli economy. Income tax laws must be reconsidered and reformed. Labor and unions and occupational societies will be encouraged and developed; minimum wage limit should be established to guarantee a decent standard of living for all, wages and salaries should be linked to the index.
Roads must be updated and modernized; movement among cities and villages should be emphasized and smooth; opening of free crossings between Palestinian territory and Jordan and Egypt. Any foreign interference is rejected; the port and the airport are to be reopened."
Sounds like nation building to me.
Sounds like building an Islamic terrorist network of criminals, social misfits and welfare cheats.
http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/583425
Senior Hamas leaders and their associates have grown rich smuggling arms and other material into the Gaza Strip, while the majority of the 1.8 million Palestinians living there subsist on incomes among the poorest in the Arab world.
flacaltenn
Diamond Member
What does Israel have to do with the Hamas leader of Gaza PRAISING Osama Bin Laden and calling him a "victim of American aggression? How can you possibly skip right over that to blaming Israel for "iffy" ceasefire proposals?
You are buried in denial...
flacaltenn
Diamond Member
WHEN did the US open "diplomatic relations" with the Hamas leadership of Gaza?
And what does any of this have to do with events in 1947? Where is this proposal to setttle in Syria? And who the **** is President Husni al Za'im and when was he elected President of Palestine?
flacaltenn
Diamond Member
Keep Calm and Seek the Truth Challenger.. Turns out your Husni al Za'im was a left-over Ottoman military officer that led a bloodless coupe of Syria. Shortly thereafter --- he was deposed and executed. That's the problem with making deals with so-called Palestinian leadership. They tend to lead dangerous and short lives for the most part.
That agreement would have worth maybe a falafel sandwich without the drink... This guy was "president" for literally 7 months before his neck was stretched out. And more than likely was CIA backed.
That agreement would have worth maybe a falafel sandwich without the drink... This guy was "president" for literally 7 months before his neck was stretched out. And more than likely was CIA backed.
aris2chat
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No, they are not the elected government by a flux (4-30% depending on district of popular vote), fatah had the majority votes, they have elected representatives in parliament. They illegally took control of gaza. They don't represent the WB in their political or militarily ambitions. There has not been an election since 2006, because hamas will not permit one to take place.
Hamas does not represent the palestinians, it controls gaza by force.
Nevermind.. I'll post it for you..
Hamas - 2006 Electoral Campaign Platform - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org
1. Islam is our Reference.
2. Palestine is Arab and Muslim Land.
3. Palestinians are one nation regardless of location.
4. The Palestinian People are still in the process of National Liberation and have the right to use all means including armed struggle to achieve this goal.
5. The right of return to all Palestinians.
6. Adherence to the inalienable rights of the people.
7. Protect and cement National Unity as a priority.
8. The issue of prisoners and detainees tops the agenda ; on the internal policy level the C&R aims at achieving a great number of objectives - among them: Maintaining Palestinian fixed National Aims; Palestinian presence in Jerusalem; political freedom; dialogue as a means to solving internal differences; freedom of expression; assembling movement.
9. The platform of the C&R prohibits: Political detention; shedding Palestinian blood; protection of civil society; directing the security apparatus to safeguarding the security of the citizens.
Among other things the Platform calls for protecting the "Resistance" and enhancing its role to resist Occupation and achieve Liberation.
WEEELLLL .. So much for Palestinian unity or prohibiting "political detention, shedding Palestinian blood, or protection of civil society" ======= THAT -- was 2005. And in 2006, some assistant to the Prime Minister calls for peace and negotiations??????
I thought OUR foreign policy was schizophrenic.
Why did you omit these aspects of the platform?
"A number of measures, based on Islam are to be implemented. A new elections law is to be passed so as to ensure justice and fair representation of our people. All citizens are equal before the Law; arbitrary arrest is taboo. Dialogue should be encouraged and the respect of the other; point of view guaranteed for all; unions are to be independent and domination is unacceptable; political powers are recognized and their role is to be used for the sake of establishing of civil institutions; equal opportunities for all and the principle of the right man for the right job will be applied.
Out of our conviction of the vitality of building a well-rounded Palestinian individual, the C&R attaches great importance to education which will keep abreast of modern innovations. Islam of course will be the core of the Palestinian education philosophy - reforms are to be introduced to the current education system, the C&R details its policy in this regard in 17 items proposed to rehabilitate the system. C&R lists five measures to raise the efficiency of the clergy and regulate and care for mosques and emphasize their educational role.
The Palestinian family, as the nucleus of the Palestinian society, figures high in the C&R platform; 16 items detail the proposed suggestions that will strengthen the family and its role. Palestinian family Laws are to be derived from and conform to the Shari'ah law as far as the society is concerned; reconciliation committees should be activated in order to discharge their role as trouble-shooters.
Culture and media play a vital role in shaping the mentality and thought of citizens, and building up of the nation's personality. Freedom of thinking, expression and fairness and safeguarding the youth from external corruptible influence are chief among the C&R concerns. Official media should work for enhancing the people's steadfastness and resistance.
Women's rights will be guaranteed so that they can contribute to the building of society, socially, economically and politically. Women's organizations should be encouraged. The C&R enumerates the actions that they should take to raise the status of women. Youth care is among the aims to be achieved by the C&R - talents among the young are to be tapped and encouraged.
Public land should be taken care of so that they can be fully utilized to build villages and public housing to be distributed fairly and equally among those in need. Heath Care system is to be reformed and made available to all people, especially the needy. Health care centers will be built to serve all sections of the people wherever they live.
Public health and hygiene will also be taken care of. The environment is to be protected. Agriculture and animal husbandry will be encouraged. Small farms will get credits in order to effectively make use of the land. The use of insecticides should be regulated for full benefits.
On the economic level, the economy and monetary system should be independent from the Zionist entity and its economic and monetary system. The C&R will mint Palestinian currency; self-sufficiency is an ultimate objective to be worked for through a number of measures. International economic agreements will be reconsidered and revised so as to serve the interests of the Palestinian people, chief among them:
*The Paris Economic agreement.
*The Free Trade Agreement with the USA.
*Partnership Agreement with the EU.
*The Economic Agreement with Egypt and Jordan.
The Economic and trade relations with the Arab and Islamic world should be developed. The Palestinian economy should be helped to disengage itself from the dependency on Israeli economy. Income tax laws must be reconsidered and reformed. Labor and unions and occupational societies will be encouraged and developed; minimum wage limit should be established to guarantee a decent standard of living for all, wages and salaries should be linked to the index.
Roads must be updated and modernized; movement among cities and villages should be emphasized and smooth; opening of free crossings between Palestinian territory and Jordan and Egypt. Any foreign interference is rejected; the port and the airport are to be reopened."
Sounds like nation building to me.
And immediately breached by hamas themselves. So that is why they are not in the link given to the hamas manifesto, ever thought that they might not be in the one linked to ?
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