"The horrifying photo that proves: There is no difference between Gazans and Judea and Samaria [nazi] Arabs."

[Stryder50]

For you defenders of Islamic genocide, an excerpt;
...
First let us pin down some key terms. The Arabic word fitnah originally meant a “persecution” or “trial” that undermines or shakes Muslims from their faith. This concept was widened over time to include just about anything that opposes Islam or “hinders” Muslims from following the Islamic path.

Shirk, often also translated as “idolatry” or “polytheism” literally means “association, “partnering” or “sharing.” Shirk is described in the Koran as the one unforgivable sin (4:48). It is a religious term used to characterize all forms of non-Muslim belief. Non-Muslims are considered to be “associaters” who “attribute partners” to Allah. As such, because they worship others as well as Allah, they are considered to be in violation of true monotheism. Christians, for example, worship Jesus as the “son of God,” and Hindus, pagans and others worship various idols. Chapter 9 verse 30 of the Koran even accuses Jews of “association":

“And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah [Jesus] is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!”

What then does it mean when the Koran says that “fitnah is worse than killing”? According to Ibn Kathir, to disbelieve in Allah is to be guilty of the crime of shirk or, as he puts it, “committing disbelief.” Shirk, he says, is fitnah, the crime worse than killing. Just being a non-Muslim -- a Christian, a Jew or a pagan -- is worse than murder.

This is not a peaceful verse. It has been cited, for example, by leading Muslim legal authorities such as the Grand Mufti of Jordan, His Excellency Shaykh Said Hijjawi, in order to justify killing “apostates,” people who choose to convert out of Islam. Such a decision threatens Muslims’ faith, and must, according to the Grand Mufti, be met with the death penalty, because the shirk, or disbelief, of apostasy is worse than killing.

It gets worse. The next half of verse 193 – “fight them until .… the religion is for Allah” is interpreted by Ibn Kathir as a command to fight (and kill) people until they convert to Islam. To support this, he cites a tradition of Muhammad, who said:

[Muhammad said:] “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight the people until they proclaim, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ Whoever said it, then he will save his life and property from me …"

Here Muhammad is claiming that Allah has commanded him to fight others until they confess Islam. If they do not, Muhammad asserts that he has the right to kill them and take their property. If they convert to Islam, they will be safe. (It is useful to bear in might that the Arabic word for “fight” actually means “fight to kill.” It is derived from a root which means ‘kill': the connection is instantly apparent to Arabic readers, but lost in English translation.)

Concerning the rest of verse 193 -- the part about “and if they cease,” which Abdalla specifically refers to -- Ibn Kathir goes on to explain:

[The phrase] “But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against the wrongdoers” indicates that, “if they stop their Shirk [disbelief in Allah] and fighting the believers, then cease warfare against them. Whoever fights them afterwards will be committing an injustice. Verily aggression can only be started against the unjust.” This is the meaning of Mujahid’s [a commentator’s] statement that only combatants should be fought. Or, the meaning of the Ayah [verse] indicates that, “If they abandon their injustice, which is Shirk in this case, then do not start aggression against them afterwards.” … ‘Ikrimah and Qatadah stated, “The unjust person is he who refuses to proclaim, ‘There is no God worthy of worship except Allah’.” [Emphasis added.]

Abdalla is quite correct when he says that Islam forbids killing “innocent” people. But then the question is: Who, according to Islamic scholars, is “innocent”? Ibn Kathir, a highly respected commentator in the orthodox mainstream of Muslim scholarship, teaches that non-Muslims are guilty by virtue of their disbelief in Islam, and that this disbelief is an “injustice,” a crime worse than murder. To Ibn Kathir, a disbeliever is guilty by definition. If someone refuses to convert, and continues to commit shirk, he is not “innocent” and may be fought and killed. But as soon as the enemy converts to Islam, he is no longer “unjust” or guilty of disbelief, but “innocent,” and must not be harmed.

When we follow Abdalla’s formula for putting the Koran in context, the words of 2:190-95 do not take on a rosier hue: quite the opposite. What we find instead is that in this view, someone inside Islam is “innocent,” and someone outside Islam is “guilty” and deserving of death.
....

Violence and Context in Islamic Texts

Recently, the journalist Paul Sheehan, reflecting on the Woolwich beheading of Drummer Lee Rigby, invited consideration of the view of Muslim violence in authoritative Islamic texts. In the Sydney Morning Herald of May 27, 2013, Sheehan observed that the

www.meforum.org

Violence and Context in Islamic Texts​

Orange highlight is my doing top emphasis key text.

 

[gipper]

For you defenders of Islamic genocide, an excerpt;
...
First let us pin down some key terms. The Arabic word fitnah originally meant a “persecution” or “trial” that undermines or shakes Muslims from their faith. This concept was widened over time to include just about anything that opposes Islam or “hinders” Muslims from following the Islamic path.

Shirk, often also translated as “idolatry” or “polytheism” literally means “association, “partnering” or “sharing.” Shirk is described in the Koran as the one unforgivable sin (4:48). It is a religious term used to characterize all forms of non-Muslim belief. Non-Muslims are considered to be “associaters” who “attribute partners” to Allah. As such, because they worship others as well as Allah, they are considered to be in violation of true monotheism. Christians, for example, worship Jesus as the “son of God,” and Hindus, pagans and others worship various idols. Chapter 9 verse 30 of the Koran even accuses Jews of “association":

“And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah [Jesus] is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!”

What then does it mean when the Koran says that “fitnah is worse than killing”? According to Ibn Kathir, to disbelieve in Allah is to be guilty of the crime of shirk or, as he puts it, “committing disbelief.” Shirk, he says, is fitnah, the crime worse than killing. Just being a non-Muslim -- a Christian, a Jew or a pagan -- is worse than murder.

This is not a peaceful verse. It has been cited, for example, by leading Muslim legal authorities such as the Grand Mufti of Jordan, His Excellency Shaykh Said Hijjawi, in order to justify killing “apostates,” people who choose to convert out of Islam. Such a decision threatens Muslims’ faith, and must, according to the Grand Mufti, be met with the death penalty, because the shirk, or disbelief, of apostasy is worse than killing.

It gets worse. The next half of verse 193 – “fight them until .… the religion is for Allah” is interpreted by Ibn Kathir as a command to fight (and kill) people until they convert to Islam. To support this, he cites a tradition of Muhammad, who said:

[Muhammad said:] “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight the people until they proclaim, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ Whoever said it, then he will save his life and property from me …"

Here Muhammad is claiming that Allah has commanded him to fight others until they confess Islam. If they do not, Muhammad asserts that he has the right to kill them and take their property. If they convert to Islam, they will be safe. (It is useful to bear in might that the Arabic word for “fight” actually means “fight to kill.” It is derived from a root which means ‘kill': the connection is instantly apparent to Arabic readers, but lost in English translation.)

Concerning the rest of verse 193 -- the part about “and if they cease,” which Abdalla specifically refers to -- Ibn Kathir goes on to explain:

[The phrase] “But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against the wrongdoers” indicates that, “if they stop their Shirk [disbelief in Allah] and fighting the believers, then cease warfare against them. Whoever fights them afterwards will be committing an injustice. Verily aggression can only be started against the unjust.” This is the meaning of Mujahid’s [a commentator’s] statement that only combatants should be fought. Or, the meaning of the Ayah [verse] indicates that, “If they abandon their injustice, which is Shirk in this case, then do not start aggression against them afterwards.” … ‘Ikrimah and Qatadah stated, “The unjust person is he who refuses to proclaim, ‘There is no God worthy of worship except Allah’.” [Emphasis added.]

Abdalla is quite correct when he says that Islam forbids killing “innocent” people. But then the question is: Who, according to Islamic scholars, is “innocent”? Ibn Kathir, a highly respected commentator in the orthodox mainstream of Muslim scholarship, teaches that non-Muslims are guilty by virtue of their disbelief in Islam, and that this disbelief is an “injustice,” a crime worse than murder. To Ibn Kathir, a disbeliever is guilty by definition. If someone refuses to convert, and continues to commit shirk, he is not “innocent” and may be fought and killed. But as soon as the enemy converts to Islam, he is no longer “unjust” or guilty of disbelief, but “innocent,” and must not be harmed.

When we follow Abdalla’s formula for putting the Koran in context, the words of 2:190-95 do not take on a rosier hue: quite the opposite. What we find instead is that in this view, someone inside Islam is “innocent,” and someone outside Islam is “guilty” and deserving of death.
....

Violence and Context in Islamic Texts

Recently, the journalist Paul Sheehan, reflecting on the Woolwich beheading of Drummer Lee Rigby, invited consideration of the view of Muslim violence in authoritative Islamic texts. In the Sydney Morning Herald of May 27, 2013, Sheehan observed that the

www.meforum.org

Violence and Context in Islamic Texts​

Orange highlight is my doing top emphasis key text.

Read the Talmud. It’s full of hate and murder.

Hey and guess what? There is a real genocide occurring right now and it’s being perpetuated by Zionists.

 

[Grau]

Oh my are you a dumb MFer. You ignorantly support a Zionist apartheid state committing genocide because the MSM tells you to, yet you claim the msm owned by Zionist Jews is anti-Zionist.

Can’t fix STUPID!

“If you read Israeli papers, every day they talk about:

‘Should we attack Gaza?’
‘Should we attack Lebanon?’
‘Should we attack Syria?’

“Name me another country in the world that falls into that category.”

“It’s a lunatic state.”

—Professor Normand Finkelstein

As you mentioned, the degree to which Zionist dominated MSM had duped the gullible, lazy and bigoted into hating about 1.8 Billion Muslims they have never met and about whom they know nothing is stunning.

Most of MSM "News" reporting reads like a Netanyahu speech and the same egregious bias is replete with subliminal bigotry in entertainment media.

For example, it is impossible to turn on a TV and not be exposed to a glut of hyperbolic Holocaust fiction at any time of the day or night.
On the other hand, I don't recall seeing anything about the Nakba either as a documentary or as a fictional story in the last ten years.

We see the subliminal effect of only seeing Arabs cast as cruel, violent and primitive persecutors of the chronically victimized "PoorJews" in the outrageous comments here from people who have never set foot in the region and never met any of the Muslims they've been programmed to hate.


Next,

“If you read Israeli papers, every day they talk about:

‘Should we attack Gaza?’
‘Should we attack Lebanon?’
‘Should we attack Syria?’

“Name me another country in the world that falls into that category.”

“It’s a lunatic state.”

—Professor Normand Finkelstein

In addition to attacking Gaza, Lebanon and Syria there's still Iran that Israel's right wing war mongers have wanted to attack with the full knowledge that its lobbies can send American G.I.s to die for an illegal "Greater Israel".

While Trump & Co. are busily deporting people, the first to go should be Israel's unregistered right wing lobbies and America's disloyal Israel Firsters"

They've driven America into disastrous wars before and they're at it again:

“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

And:

"U.S. MILITARY PERSONNEL IN IRAQ PUT ON STANDBY TO SUPPORT GROUND INVOLVEMENT IN ISRAEL’S WAR ON GAZA"

U.S. Military Personnel in Iraq Put on Standby to Support Ground Involvement in Israel’s War on Gaza

Documents suggest the U.S. has put military personnel in Iraq on standby to support U.S. ground involvement in Israel’s war on Gaza.

theintercept.com

EXCERPT "While the documents do not suggest that U.S. military ground involvement in the war is forthcoming, the January memo is the latest intimation of the Pentagon’s preparations to support Israel in the wake of Hamas’s October 7 attack. Days after the attack, the U.S. military reportedly put 2,000 troops on prepare-to-deploy orders for potential support to Israel,..." CONTINUED


Finally, the US Government is giving Israel the ordinance to carry out a genocide that is rendering America a complicit pariah and making all Americans less secure.

Who'll be the first supporter of Zionist expansionism and genocide to go fight a possible War on Islam in some distant hell hole?

I don't want my nieces and nephews to be sacrificed so that foreign Jews can steal Palestinian land with impunity,(*) do you, gipper?

Thanks,



(*). "Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront"

Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront

They see an opportunity to push for a return of Jewish settlements to the Palestinian territory.

www.bbc.com

- "Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Murderous West Bank Settlers"

Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Settlers Who Are Killing West Bank Palestinians

Or risk losing any moral authority in this war.

slate.com

3, November 2023

EXCERPT "Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000. They have forcibly expelled more than 800 Palestinians from their homes, blown up their generators and solar panels, and burned down tents of Bedouin herders.

Again: This has been going on not in Gaza but in the West Bank—which is governed by the Palestinian Authority, not by Hamas." CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

For you defenders of Islamic genocide, an excerpt;
...
First let us pin down some key terms. The Arabic word fitnah originally meant a “persecution” or “trial” that undermines or shakes Muslims from their faith. This concept was widened over time to include just about anything that opposes Islam or “hinders” Muslims from following the Islamic path.

Shirk, often also translated as “idolatry” or “polytheism” literally means “association, “partnering” or “sharing.” Shirk is described in the Koran as the one unforgivable sin (4:48). It is a religious term used to characterize all forms of non-Muslim belief. Non-Muslims are considered to be “associaters” who “attribute partners” to Allah. As such, because they worship others as well as Allah, they are considered to be in violation of true monotheism. Christians, for example, worship Jesus as the “son of God,” and Hindus, pagans and others worship various idols. Chapter 9 verse 30 of the Koran even accuses Jews of “association":

“And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah [Jesus] is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!”

What then does it mean when the Koran says that “fitnah is worse than killing”? According to Ibn Kathir, to disbelieve in Allah is to be guilty of the crime of shirk or, as he puts it, “committing disbelief.” Shirk, he says, is fitnah, the crime worse than killing. Just being a non-Muslim -- a Christian, a Jew or a pagan -- is worse than murder.

This is not a peaceful verse. It has been cited, for example, by leading Muslim legal authorities such as the Grand Mufti of Jordan, His Excellency Shaykh Said Hijjawi, in order to justify killing “apostates,” people who choose to convert out of Islam. Such a decision threatens Muslims’ faith, and must, according to the Grand Mufti, be met with the death penalty, because the shirk, or disbelief, of apostasy is worse than killing.

It gets worse. The next half of verse 193 – “fight them until .… the religion is for Allah” is interpreted by Ibn Kathir as a command to fight (and kill) people until they convert to Islam. To support this, he cites a tradition of Muhammad, who said:

[Muhammad said:] “I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight the people until they proclaim, ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’ Whoever said it, then he will save his life and property from me …"

Here Muhammad is claiming that Allah has commanded him to fight others until they confess Islam. If they do not, Muhammad asserts that he has the right to kill them and take their property. If they convert to Islam, they will be safe. (It is useful to bear in might that the Arabic word for “fight” actually means “fight to kill.” It is derived from a root which means ‘kill': the connection is instantly apparent to Arabic readers, but lost in English translation.)

Concerning the rest of verse 193 -- the part about “and if they cease,” which Abdalla specifically refers to -- Ibn Kathir goes on to explain:

[The phrase] “But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against the wrongdoers” indicates that, “if they stop their Shirk [disbelief in Allah] and fighting the believers, then cease warfare against them. Whoever fights them afterwards will be committing an injustice. Verily aggression can only be started against the unjust.” This is the meaning of Mujahid’s [a commentator’s] statement that only combatants should be fought. Or, the meaning of the Ayah [verse] indicates that, “If they abandon their injustice, which is Shirk in this case, then do not start aggression against them afterwards.” … ‘Ikrimah and Qatadah stated, “The unjust person is he who refuses to proclaim, ‘There is no God worthy of worship except Allah’.” [Emphasis added.]

Abdalla is quite correct when he says that Islam forbids killing “innocent” people. But then the question is: Who, according to Islamic scholars, is “innocent”? Ibn Kathir, a highly respected commentator in the orthodox mainstream of Muslim scholarship, teaches that non-Muslims are guilty by virtue of their disbelief in Islam, and that this disbelief is an “injustice,” a crime worse than murder. To Ibn Kathir, a disbeliever is guilty by definition. If someone refuses to convert, and continues to commit shirk, he is not “innocent” and may be fought and killed. But as soon as the enemy converts to Islam, he is no longer “unjust” or guilty of disbelief, but “innocent,” and must not be harmed.

When we follow Abdalla’s formula for putting the Koran in context, the words of 2:190-95 do not take on a rosier hue: quite the opposite. What we find instead is that in this view, someone inside Islam is “innocent,” and someone outside Islam is “guilty” and deserving of death.
....

Violence and Context in Islamic Texts

Recently, the journalist Paul Sheehan, reflecting on the Woolwich beheading of Drummer Lee Rigby, invited consideration of the view of Muslim violence in authoritative Islamic texts. In the Sydney Morning Herald of May 27, 2013, Sheehan observed that the

www.meforum.org

Violence and Context in Islamic Texts​

Orange highlight is my doing top emphasis key text.

There as many deliberate mistranslations of Islamic texts as there are of the Talmud.

Pick your favorite.

 

[gipper]

As you mentioned, the degree to which Zionist dominated MSM had duped the gullible, lazy and bigoted into hating about 1.8 Billion Muslims they have never met and about whom they know nothing is stunning.

Most of MSM "News" reporting reads like a Netanyahu speech and the same egregious bias is replete with subliminal bigotry in entertainment media.

For example, it is impossible to turn on a TV and not be exposed to a glut of hyperbolic Holocaust fiction at any time of the day or night.
On the other hand, I don't recall seeing anything about the Nakba either as a documentary or as a fictional story in the last ten years.

We see the subliminal effect of only seeing Arabs cast as cruel, violent and primitive persecutors of the chronically victimized "PoorJews" in the outrageous comments here from people who have never set foot in the region and never met any of the Muslims they've been programmed to hate.


Next,


In addition to attacking Gaza, Lebanon and Syria there's still Iran that Israel's right wing war mongers have wanted to attack with the full knowledge that its lobbies can send American G.I.s to die for an illegal "Greater Israel".

While Trump & Co. are busily deporting people, the first to go should be Israel's unregistered right wing lobbies and America's disloyal Israel Firsters"

They've driven America into disastrous wars before and they're at it again:

“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

And:

"U.S. MILITARY PERSONNEL IN IRAQ PUT ON STANDBY TO SUPPORT GROUND INVOLVEMENT IN ISRAEL’S WAR ON GAZA"

U.S. Military Personnel in Iraq Put on Standby to Support Ground Involvement in Israel’s War on Gaza

Documents suggest the U.S. has put military personnel in Iraq on standby to support U.S. ground involvement in Israel’s war on Gaza.

theintercept.com

EXCERPT "While the documents do not suggest that U.S. military ground involvement in the war is forthcoming, the January memo is the latest intimation of the Pentagon’s preparations to support Israel in the wake of Hamas’s October 7 attack. Days after the attack, the U.S. military reportedly put 2,000 troops on prepare-to-deploy orders for potential support to Israel,..." CONTINUED


Finally, the US Government is giving Israel the ordinance to carry out a genocide that is rendering America a complicit pariah and making all Americans less secure.

Who'll be the first supporter of Zionist expansionism and genocide to go fight a possible War on Islam in some distant hell hole?

I don't want my nieces and nephews to be sacrificed so that foreign Jews can steal Palestinian land with impunity,(*) do you, gipper?

Thanks,



(*). "Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront"

Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront

They see an opportunity to push for a return of Jewish settlements to the Palestinian territory.

www.bbc.com

- "Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Murderous West Bank Settlers"

Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Settlers Who Are Killing West Bank Palestinians

Or risk losing any moral authority in this war.

slate.com

3, November 2023

EXCERPT "Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000. They have forcibly expelled more than 800 Palestinians from their homes, blown up their generators and solar panels, and burned down tents of Bedouin herders.

Again: This has been going on not in Gaza but in the West Bank—which is governed by the Palestinian Authority, not by Hamas." CONTINUED

I like to believe many Americans are waking up to the fact that Israel is a racist warlike nutjob nation and want the government to stop granting it so much power. This might be a small silver lining as a result of the genocide.

I suspect few Americans knew anything about the Nakba and the many other massacres Israel has committed since its inception. I hope many know of these atrocities now. Another possible silver lining.

The hatred for Muslims and Arabs has been ingrained in Americans, by a dishonest Zionist media. Too bad so many Americans believe the propaganda.

 

[Stryder50]

As you mentioned, the degree to which Zionist dominated MSM had duped the gullible, lazy and bigoted into hating about 1.8 Billion Muslims they have never met and about whom they know nothing is stunning.

Most of MSM "News" reporting reads like a Netanyahu speech and the same egregious bias is replete with subliminal bigotry in entertainment media.

For example, it is impossible to turn on a TV and not be exposed to a glut of hyperbolic Holocaust fiction at any time of the day or night.
On the other hand, I don't recall seeing anything about the Nakba either as a documentary or as a fictional story in the last ten years.

We see the subliminal effect of only seeing Arabs cast as cruel, violent and primitive persecutors of the chronically victimized "PoorJews" in the outrageous comments here from people who have never set foot in the region and never met any of the Muslims they've been programmed to hate.


Next,


In addition to attacking Gaza, Lebanon and Syria there's still Iran that Israel's right wing war mongers have wanted to attack with the full knowledge that its lobbies can send American G.I.s to die for an illegal "Greater Israel".

While Trump & Co. are busily deporting people, the first to go should be Israel's unregistered right wing lobbies and America's disloyal Israel Firsters"

They've driven America into disastrous wars before and they're at it again:

“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

And:

"U.S. MILITARY PERSONNEL IN IRAQ PUT ON STANDBY TO SUPPORT GROUND INVOLVEMENT IN ISRAEL’S WAR ON GAZA"

U.S. Military Personnel in Iraq Put on Standby to Support Ground Involvement in Israel’s War on Gaza

Documents suggest the U.S. has put military personnel in Iraq on standby to support U.S. ground involvement in Israel’s war on Gaza.

theintercept.com

EXCERPT "While the documents do not suggest that U.S. military ground involvement in the war is forthcoming, the January memo is the latest intimation of the Pentagon’s preparations to support Israel in the wake of Hamas’s October 7 attack. Days after the attack, the U.S. military reportedly put 2,000 troops on prepare-to-deploy orders for potential support to Israel,..." CONTINUED


Finally, the US Government is giving Israel the ordinance to carry out a genocide that is rendering America a complicit pariah and making all Americans less secure.

Who'll be the first supporter of Zionist expansionism and genocide to go fight a possible War on Islam in some distant hell hole?

I don't want my nieces and nephews to be sacrificed so that foreign Jews can steal Palestinian land with impunity,(*) do you, gipper?

Thanks,



(*). "Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront"

Jewish settlers set their sights on Gaza beachfront

They see an opportunity to push for a return of Jewish settlements to the Palestinian territory.

www.bbc.com

- "Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Murderous West Bank Settlers"

Israel Must Loudly Arrest the Settlers Who Are Killing West Bank Palestinians

Or risk losing any moral authority in this war.

slate.com

3, November 2023

EXCERPT "Since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, settlers there have killed more than 120 Palestinians and injured at least 2,000. They have forcibly expelled more than 800 Palestinians from their homes, blown up their generators and solar panels, and burned down tents of Bedouin herders.

Again: This has been going on not in Gaza but in the West Bank—which is governed by the Palestinian Authority, not by Hamas." CONTINUED

"
‘Should we attack Gaza?’
‘Should we attack Lebanon?’
‘Should we attack Syria?’ "

Considering the constant shelling and rocket attacks against Israel coming from the above, which allow Hamas~Hezbollah~Islamic Jihad a sheltered and protected residence to engage in their terrorist attacks upon Israel, counter attack, response is understandable and necessary to those of sound mind. Which you and fellow Jew hater, neo-Nazi Gipper are not.

You can add West Bank to the above list as well.

 

[Stryder50]

Read the Talmud. It’s full of hate and murder.

Hey and guess what? There is a real genocide occurring right now and it’s being perpetuated by Zionists.

Regards genocide, the Muslims/Islamic Jihadists started that back in 1948 against Israel/Jews. Actually long before, like about 1400 years ago - and against Christians and any other non-Muslims.

Your misinterpretation and disinformation of the Talmud, ~ Old Testament, allows the segue for this;

Conflating History with Theology​

Judeo-Christian Violence vs. Islamic Violence
...
Especially after the terrorist strikes of 9/11, Islam has often been accused of being intrinsically violent. Many point to the Koran and other Islamic scriptures and texts as proof that violence and intolerance vis-à-vis non-Muslims is inherent to Islam. In response, a number of apologetics have been offered. The fundamental premise of almost all of these is that Islam’s purported violence—as found in Islamic scriptures and history—is no different than the violence committed by other religious groups throughout history and as recorded in their scriptures, such as Jews and Christians. The argument, in short, is that it is not Islam per se but rather human nature that is prone to violence.

So whenever the argument is made that the Koran as well as the historical words and deeds of Islam’s prophet Muhammad and his companions evince violence and intolerance, the counter-argument is immediately made: What about the historical atrocities committed by the Hebrews in years gone by and as recorded in their scriptures (AKA, the Old Testament)? What about the brutal cycle of violence Christians have committed in the name of their faith against both fellow Christians and non-Christians?

Several examples are then offered from the Bible as well as Judeo-Christian history. Two examples especially—one biblical, the other historic—are often cited as paradigmatic of the religious violence inherent to both Judaism and Christianity and usually (try to) put an end to the debate of whether Islam is unique in regards to its teachings and violence.
...
The first is the military conquest of the land of Canaan by the Hebrews (c. 1200 BC), which has increasingly come to be characterized as a “genocide.” Yahweh told Moses:

But of the cities of these peoples which Yahweh your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them—the Hittite, Amorite, Canaanite, Perizzite, Hivite, and Jebusite—just as Yahweh your God has commanded you, ...
...
The second example revolves around the Crusader wars waged by Medieval European Christians. To be sure, the Crusades were a “counter-attack” on Islam—not an unprovoked assault as is often depicted by revisionist history. A united Christendom sought to annex the Holy Land of Jerusalem, which, prior to its conquest by Islam in the 7th century, was an integral part of Christendom for nearly 400 years.
...
In light of the above—one a prime example of “Hebraic” violence from the Bible, the other from Christian history—why should Islam be the one religion always characterized as intrinsically violent, simply because its holy book and its history also contain violence? Why should non-Muslims always point to the Koran and ancient history as evidence of Islam’s violence while never looking to their own scriptures and history?

While such questions are popular, they reveal a great deal of confusion between history and theology, between the temporal actions of men and what are understood to be the immutable words of God. The fundamental error being that Judeo-Christian history—which is violent—is being conflated with Islamic theology—which commands violence. ...
...
Regardless, all the historic violence committed by the Hebrews and recorded in the Old Testament is just that—history. It happened; God commanded it. But it revolved around a specific time and place and was directed against a specific people. At no time did such violence go on to become standardized or codified into Jewish law (i.e., the Halakha).

This is where Islamic violence is unique. Though similar to the violence of the Old Testament—commanded by God and manifested in history—certain aspects of Islamic violence have become standardized in Islamic law (i.e., Sharia) and apply at all times. Thus while the violence found in the Koran is in fact historical, its ultimate significance is theological, or, more specifically, doctrinal. Consider the following Koranic verses, better known as the “sword-verses":
...
As with Old Testament verses where Yahweh commanded the Hebrews to attack and slay their neighbors, the sword-verses also have a historical context. Allah first issued these commandments after the Muslims under Muhammad’s leadership had grown sufficiently strong enough to invade their Christian and pagan neighbors. But unlike the bellicose verses and anecdotes of the Old Testament, the sword-verses became fundamental to Islam’s subsequent relationship to both the “people of the book” (Christians and Jews) and the “pagans” (Hindus, Buddhists, animists, etc). For instance, based on 9:5, Islamic law mandates that pagans and polytheists must either convert to Islam or be killed, while 9:29 is the primary source of Islam’s well-known discriminatory practices against Christians and Jews.

In fact, based on the sword-verses (as well as countless other Koranic verses and oral traditions attributed to Muhammad), Islam’s scholars, sheikhs, muftis, imams, and qadis throughout the ages have all reached the consensus—binding on the entire Muslim community—that Islam is to be at perpetual war with the non-Muslim world until the former subsumes the latter. (It is widely held by Muslim scholars that since the sword-verses are among the final revelations on the topic of Islam’s relationship to non-Muslims, that they alone have abrogated some 200 of the Koran’s earlier and more tolerant verses, such as “there is no coercion in religion” 2:256.) Famous Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun, who is revered in the West for his “progressive” insights, also puts to rest the notion that jihad is “defensive” warfare:

In the Muslim community, the holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force...The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense... They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people. That is why the Israeilites after Moses and Joshua remained unconcerned with royal authority [e.g. a “caliphate”]. Their only concern was to establish their religion [not spread it to the nations]… But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations (The Muqudimmah, vol. 1 pg. 473).

Perhaps what is most unique about the sword-verses is the fact that when juxtaposed to their Old Testament counterparts, they are especially distinct for using language that transcends time and space, inciting believers to attack and slay non-believers today no less than yesterday. Yahweh commanded the Hebrews to kill Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites—all specific peoples rooted to a specific time and place. At no time did Yahweh give an open-ended command for the Hebrews, and by extension their descendants the Jews, to fight and kill gentiles. On the other hand, though Islam’s original enemies were, like Judaism’s, historical (e.g., Christian Byzantines and pagan Persians), the Koran rarely singles them out by their proper names. Instead, Muslims were (and are) commanded to fight the people of the book—"until they pay tribute with willing submission and feel themselves utterly subdued” (Koran 9:29) and to “slay the pagans wherever you find them” (Koran 9:5).
...
In fact, the salient feature of almost all of the violent commandments in Islamic scriptures is their open-ended and generic nature: “Fight them [non-Muslims] until there is no more chaos and all religion belongs to Allah” (Koran 8:39). Also, in a well-attested tradition that appears in the most authentic hadith collections, Muhammad proclaims:

" I have been commanded to wage war against mankind until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and that they establish prostration prayer, and pay the alms-tax [i.e., convert to Islam]. If they do so, their blood and property are protected [Sahih Muslim C9B1N31; also in Sahih Bukhari B2N24]. "

Aside from the divine words of the Koran, Muhammad’s pattern of behavior—his “Sunna” or “example"—is an extremely important source of legislation in Islam. Muslims are exhorted to emulate Muhammad in all walks of life: “You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern [of conduct]” (Koran 33:21). And Muhammad’s pattern of conduct vis-à-vis non-Muslims is quite explicit. Sarcastically arguing against the concept of “moderate” Islam, terrorist Osama bin Laden, who enjoys half the Arab-Islamic world’s support per an al-Jazeera poll, portrays the prophet’s Sunna thus:

“Moderation” is demonstrated by our prophet who did not remain more than three months in Medina without raiding or sending a raiding party into the lands of the infidels to beat down their strongholds and seize their possessions, their lives, and their women” (from The Al-Qaeda Reader, page 56).

In fact, based on both the Koran and Muhammad’s Sunna, pillaging and plundering infidels, enslaving their children, and placing their women in concubinage is well founded (e.g. 4:24, 4:92, 8:69, 24:33, 33:50, etc.). And the concept of “Sunna"—which is what 90% of the billion plus Muslims, the “Sunnis,” are named after—essentially asserts that anything performed or approved by Muhammad and his early companions is applicable for Muslims today no less than yesterday. This does not mean that Muslims in mass are wild hedonists who live only to plunder and rape. But it does mean that those particular persons who are naturally inclined to such activities, and who also happen to be Muslim, can—and do—quite easily justify their actions by referring to the “Sunna of the Prophet"—the way al-Qaeda, for example, justifies its attacks on 9/11 where innocents, including women and children, were killed:
...
While law-centric and legalistic, Judaism has no such equivalent to the Sunna; the words and deeds of the patriarchs, though recorded in the Old Testament, never went on to be part of Jewish law. Neither Abraham’s “white-lies,” nor Jacob’s perfidy, nor Moses’ short-fuse, nor David’s adultery, nor Solomon’s philandering ever went on to instruct Jews or Christians. They were merely understood to be historical actions perpetrated by fallible men who were often punished by God for their less than ideal behavior.

As for Christianity, much of the Old Testament law was abrogated by Jesus. “Eye for an eye” gave way to “turn the other cheek.” Totally loving God and one’s neighbor became supreme law (Matt 22:38-40). Furthermore, Jesus’ “Sunna"—as in “What would Jesus do?"—is characterized by altruism. The New Testament contains absolutely no exhortations to violence. Still, there are some who strive to portray Jesus as having a similar militant ethos as Muhammad ...
...
And it is from here that one can best appreciate the Crusades. However one interprets these wars—as offensive or defensive, just or unjust—it is evident that they were not based on the “Sunna” of Jesus, who exhorted his followers to “love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you” (Matt 5:44).

In fact, far from suggesting anything intrinsic to Christianity, the Crusades ironically help better explain Islam. For what the Crusades demonstrated once and for all is that, irrespective of religious teachings—indeed, in the case of these so-called “Christian” Crusades, despite them—man is in fact predisposed to violence and intolerance. But this begs the question: If this is how Christians behaved—who are commanded to love, bless, and do good to their enemies who hate, curse, and persecute them—how much more can be expected of Muslims who, while sharing the same violent tendencies, are further validated by the Deity’s command to attack, kill, and plunder non-believers?
.....

Conflating History with Theology

Judeo-Christian Violence vs. Islamic Violence

www.meforum.org

 

[gipper]

Regards genocide, the Muslims/Islamic Jihadists started that back in 1948 against Israel/Jews. Actually long before, like about 1400 years ago - and against Christians and any other non-Muslims.

Your misinterpretation and disinformation of the Talmud, ~ Old Testament, allows the segue for this;

Conflating History with Theology​

Judeo-Christian Violence vs. Islamic Violence
...
Especially after the terrorist strikes of 9/11, Islam has often been accused of being intrinsically violent. Many point to the Koran and other Islamic scriptures and texts as proof that violence and intolerance vis-à-vis non-Muslims is inherent to Islam. In response, a number of apologetics have been offered. The fundamental premise of almost all of these is that Islam’s purported violence—as found in Islamic scriptures and history—is no different than the violence committed by other religious groups throughout history and as recorded in their scriptures, such as Jews and Christians. The argument, in short, is that it is not Islam per se but rather human nature that is prone to violence.

So whenever the argument is made that the Koran as well as the historical words and deeds of Islam’s prophet Muhammad and his companions evince violence and intolerance, the counter-argument is immediately made: What about the historical atrocities committed by the Hebrews in years gone by and as recorded in their scriptures (AKA, the Old Testament)? What about the brutal cycle of violence Christians have committed in the name of their faith against both fellow Christians and non-Christians?

Several examples are then offered from the Bible as well as Judeo-Christian history. Two examples especially—one biblical, the other historic—are often cited as paradigmatic of the religious violence inherent to both Judaism and Christianity and usually (try to) put an end to the debate of whether Islam is unique in regards to its teachings and violence.
...
The first is the military conquest of the land of Canaan by the Hebrews (c. 1200 BC), which has increasingly come to be characterized as a “genocide.” Yahweh told Moses:

But of the cities of these peoples which Yahweh your God gives you as an inheritance, you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive, but you shall utterly destroy them—the Hittite, Amorite, Canaanite, Perizzite, Hivite, and Jebusite—just as Yahweh your God has commanded you, ...
...
The second example revolves around the Crusader wars waged by Medieval European Christians. To be sure, the Crusades were a “counter-attack” on Islam—not an unprovoked assault as is often depicted by revisionist history. A united Christendom sought to annex the Holy Land of Jerusalem, which, prior to its conquest by Islam in the 7th century, was an integral part of Christendom for nearly 400 years.
...
In light of the above—one a prime example of “Hebraic” violence from the Bible, the other from Christian history—why should Islam be the one religion always characterized as intrinsically violent, simply because its holy book and its history also contain violence? Why should non-Muslims always point to the Koran and ancient history as evidence of Islam’s violence while never looking to their own scriptures and history?

While such questions are popular, they reveal a great deal of confusion between history and theology, between the temporal actions of men and what are understood to be the immutable words of God. The fundamental error being that Judeo-Christian history—which is violent—is being conflated with Islamic theology—which commands violence. ...
...
Regardless, all the historic violence committed by the Hebrews and recorded in the Old Testament is just that—history. It happened; God commanded it. But it revolved around a specific time and place and was directed against a specific people. At no time did such violence go on to become standardized or codified into Jewish law (i.e., the Halakha).

This is where Islamic violence is unique. Though similar to the violence of the Old Testament—commanded by God and manifested in history—certain aspects of Islamic violence have become standardized in Islamic law (i.e., Sharia) and apply at all times. Thus while the violence found in the Koran is in fact historical, its ultimate significance is theological, or, more specifically, doctrinal. Consider the following Koranic verses, better known as the “sword-verses":
...
As with Old Testament verses where Yahweh commanded the Hebrews to attack and slay their neighbors, the sword-verses also have a historical context. Allah first issued these commandments after the Muslims under Muhammad’s leadership had grown sufficiently strong enough to invade their Christian and pagan neighbors. But unlike the bellicose verses and anecdotes of the Old Testament, the sword-verses became fundamental to Islam’s subsequent relationship to both the “people of the book” (Christians and Jews) and the “pagans” (Hindus, Buddhists, animists, etc). For instance, based on 9:5, Islamic law mandates that pagans and polytheists must either convert to Islam or be killed, while 9:29 is the primary source of Islam’s well-known discriminatory practices against Christians and Jews.

In fact, based on the sword-verses (as well as countless other Koranic verses and oral traditions attributed to Muhammad), Islam’s scholars, sheikhs, muftis, imams, and qadis throughout the ages have all reached the consensus—binding on the entire Muslim community—that Islam is to be at perpetual war with the non-Muslim world until the former subsumes the latter. (It is widely held by Muslim scholars that since the sword-verses are among the final revelations on the topic of Islam’s relationship to non-Muslims, that they alone have abrogated some 200 of the Koran’s earlier and more tolerant verses, such as “there is no coercion in religion” 2:256.) Famous Muslim scholar Ibn Khaldun, who is revered in the West for his “progressive” insights, also puts to rest the notion that jihad is “defensive” warfare:

In the Muslim community, the holy war [jihad] is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and the obligation to convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force...The other religious groups did not have a universal mission, and the holy war was not a religious duty for them, save only for purposes of defense... They are merely required to establish their religion among their own people. That is why the Israeilites after Moses and Joshua remained unconcerned with royal authority [e.g. a “caliphate”]. Their only concern was to establish their religion [not spread it to the nations]… But Islam is under obligation to gain power over other nations (The Muqudimmah, vol. 1 pg. 473).

Perhaps what is most unique about the sword-verses is the fact that when juxtaposed to their Old Testament counterparts, they are especially distinct for using language that transcends time and space, inciting believers to attack and slay non-believers today no less than yesterday. Yahweh commanded the Hebrews to kill Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites—all specific peoples rooted to a specific time and place. At no time did Yahweh give an open-ended command for the Hebrews, and by extension their descendants the Jews, to fight and kill gentiles. On the other hand, though Islam’s original enemies were, like Judaism’s, historical (e.g., Christian Byzantines and pagan Persians), the Koran rarely singles them out by their proper names. Instead, Muslims were (and are) commanded to fight the people of the book—"until they pay tribute with willing submission and feel themselves utterly subdued” (Koran 9:29) and to “slay the pagans wherever you find them” (Koran 9:5).
...
In fact, the salient feature of almost all of the violent commandments in Islamic scriptures is their open-ended and generic nature: “Fight them [non-Muslims] until there is no more chaos and all religion belongs to Allah” (Koran 8:39). Also, in a well-attested tradition that appears in the most authentic hadith collections, Muhammad proclaims:

" I have been commanded to wage war against mankind until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and that they establish prostration prayer, and pay the alms-tax [i.e., convert to Islam]. If they do so, their blood and property are protected [Sahih Muslim C9B1N31; also in Sahih Bukhari B2N24]. "

Aside from the divine words of the Koran, Muhammad’s pattern of behavior—his “Sunna” or “example"—is an extremely important source of legislation in Islam. Muslims are exhorted to emulate Muhammad in all walks of life: “You have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern [of conduct]” (Koran 33:21). And Muhammad’s pattern of conduct vis-à-vis non-Muslims is quite explicit. Sarcastically arguing against the concept of “moderate” Islam, terrorist Osama bin Laden, who enjoys half the Arab-Islamic world’s support per an al-Jazeera poll, portrays the prophet’s Sunna thus:

“Moderation” is demonstrated by our prophet who did not remain more than three months in Medina without raiding or sending a raiding party into the lands of the infidels to beat down their strongholds and seize their possessions, their lives, and their women” (from The Al-Qaeda Reader, page 56).

In fact, based on both the Koran and Muhammad’s Sunna, pillaging and plundering infidels, enslaving their children, and placing their women in concubinage is well founded (e.g. 4:24, 4:92, 8:69, 24:33, 33:50, etc.). And the concept of “Sunna"—which is what 90% of the billion plus Muslims, the “Sunnis,” are named after—essentially asserts that anything performed or approved by Muhammad and his early companions is applicable for Muslims today no less than yesterday. This does not mean that Muslims in mass are wild hedonists who live only to plunder and rape. But it does mean that those particular persons who are naturally inclined to such activities, and who also happen to be Muslim, can—and do—quite easily justify their actions by referring to the “Sunna of the Prophet"—the way al-Qaeda, for example, justifies its attacks on 9/11 where innocents, including women and children, were killed:
...
While law-centric and legalistic, Judaism has no such equivalent to the Sunna; the words and deeds of the patriarchs, though recorded in the Old Testament, never went on to be part of Jewish law. Neither Abraham’s “white-lies,” nor Jacob’s perfidy, nor Moses’ short-fuse, nor David’s adultery, nor Solomon’s philandering ever went on to instruct Jews or Christians. They were merely understood to be historical actions perpetrated by fallible men who were often punished by God for their less than ideal behavior.

As for Christianity, much of the Old Testament law was abrogated by Jesus. “Eye for an eye” gave way to “turn the other cheek.” Totally loving God and one’s neighbor became supreme law (Matt 22:38-40). Furthermore, Jesus’ “Sunna"—as in “What would Jesus do?"—is characterized by altruism. The New Testament contains absolutely no exhortations to violence. Still, there are some who strive to portray Jesus as having a similar militant ethos as Muhammad ...
...
And it is from here that one can best appreciate the Crusades. However one interprets these wars—as offensive or defensive, just or unjust—it is evident that they were not based on the “Sunna” of Jesus, who exhorted his followers to “love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you” (Matt 5:44).

In fact, far from suggesting anything intrinsic to Christianity, the Crusades ironically help better explain Islam. For what the Crusades demonstrated once and for all is that, irrespective of religious teachings—indeed, in the case of these so-called “Christian” Crusades, despite them—man is in fact predisposed to violence and intolerance. But this begs the question: If this is how Christians behaved—who are commanded to love, bless, and do good to their enemies who hate, curse, and persecute them—how much more can be expected of Muslims who, while sharing the same violent tendencies, are further validated by the Deity’s command to attack, kill, and plunder non-believers?
.....

Conflating History with Theology

Judeo-Christian Violence vs. Islamic Violence

www.meforum.org

Stop supporting genocide. Are you an immoral, inhuman, murderous monster???…or just a Zionist dupe?


One of the very few good things coming out of the relentless nightmare happening in Gaza is that at long last the western world is getting a clear look at Israel. The real Israel.

Not the Israel they teach you about in school. Not “the only democracy in the middle east,” where Jews were given safe haven after their victimization at the hands of the Nazis and managed to create a thriving society despite existing in a sea of savage enemies bent on their destruction.

Not that Israel. The real one. Arguably the most racist society on earth, whose existence has depended on nonstop violence, theft, tyranny and abuse since its very inception.

The real Israel, whose government is deliberately and methodically starving Palestinian civilians to death by the tens of thousands just for being the wrong ethnicity.

The real Israel, whose snipers routinely murders Palestinian children by shooting them in the head.

The real Israel, whose military is so sadistic that it created an AI system to specifically target suspected Hamas fighters when they are at home with their families, and called the AI “Where’s Daddy?” because it would be killing fathers when they are at home with their children.

The real Israel, whose soldiers cannot stop posting footage of themselves mockingly dressed in the undergarments of dead and displaced Palestinian women and playing with the toys of dead and displaced Palestinian children.

The real Israel, where Palestinian doctors are raped and tortured to death.

The real Israel, where the majority of men do not believe acquaintance rape or spousal rape are real crimes, and where the majority do not believe the soldiers accused of raping and torturing a Palestinian prisoner to the point of severe injury should face criminal charges.

The real Israel, who routinely bombs buildings full of civilians and then uses sniper drones to pick off the survivors, including children.

The real Israel, whose drones have been heard playing the sounds of crying babies and screaming women in order to lure out civilians so they can be killed.

The real Israel, who has damaged or destroyed 94 percent of the healthcare facilities in Gaza with hundreds of targeted attacks.

The real Israel, whose military forces target medical staff so methodically that doctors and nurses in Gaza reportedly change out of their uniforms when they leave the hospital in order to avoid assassination.

The real Israel, who hates truth so much that it has been killing historic numbers of journalists in Gaza while preventing foreign journalists from entering the enclave.

The real Israel, who has been knowingly attacking the locations of humanitarian aid workers.

The real Israel, whose citizens are so warped and twisted that they attend boat tours to cheerfully witness the devastation in the Gaza Strip.

The real Israel, whose citizens set up blockades to prevent aid trucks from getting to starving civilians in Gaza while they enjoy barbecues and set up bouncy castles and cotton candy machines for their children.

The real Israel, whose TikTok influencers started a viral trend mocking the suffering of civilians in Gaza.

The real Israel, whose citizens will travel to another country and tear down Palestinian flags and sing about how there are no children left in Gaza and then cry victim when people fight back. - Caitlin Johnstone

There is no "debate" since you don't intend to admit when you are wrong.

You are obviously a head filled with Islamic Jihad taqayah since you believe their neo-nazi bullshyte.
My experience is that the majority of Western MSM is strongly anti-Jewish, anti-"Zion", & anti-Israel. In effect another propaganda mouthpiece serving Islamic Jihad.

This WW2 Historian is constantly correcting the errors and misinformation that comes out of Hollywood.
Phony and uneducated "historians" like you are the "dime a dozen" sort.

I'd suggest ditching the propaganda site "middleeasteye" and go for a more informed, objective and accurate one such as 'Middle East Forum' - Middle East Forum

Don’t you agree?

 

[Grau]

"LOSERS STILL HOWLING "ANTI SEMITE", "JEW HATER & "NEO NAZI" ETC"

"
‘Should we attack Gaza?’
‘Should we attack Lebanon?’
‘Should we attack Syria?’ "

Considering the constant shelling and rocket attacks against Israel coming from the above, which allow Hamas~Hezbollah~Islamic Jihad a sheltered and protected residence to engage in their terrorist attacks upon Israel, counter attack, response is understandable and necessary to those of sound mind. Which you and fellow Jew hater, neo-Nazi Gipper are not.

You can add West Bank to the above list as well.

Among the simplest realities that our gaggle of ignorant Zionist shills seem entirely unable to grasp is that the Arabs inhabited the Levant long before the invasion of Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs (1) from Europe.

That's right, if anyone is a "Neo Nazi", It is our traitorous infestation of Zionist shills whose first loyalty is to the same ruling Zionist regime that Germany's Nazi Party trained, armed, funded and helped establish a Nazi colony in Palestine.

In 1900, Palestine's Jews only comprised 4% - 5% of Palestine's mainly Muslim population.
Today, former Palestine is swarming with bigoted and greedy foreign Jews eager for free, stolen land.

To be clear, the overwhelming majority of Israel's Jews are no more related to the Ancient Hebrews than they are to the Eskimos.

Palestine's native residents were overwhelmingly Arabs who had been living, farming and working the same land for generations before the invasion of foreign Jews and genocidal Zionist.

For about 80 years, Palestine's foreign Zionist occupiers murdered, raped, tortured, mutilated and stole the homes of Palestine's native residents.

Apparently, our gaggle of clueless Zionist shills expected that the region's native residents and feel honored to die under the heel of foreign Zionist occupiers.

How dare the Arabs resist genocidal Zionist land thieves and defend themselves against the longest, most ruthless and barbaric foreign funded occupiers in History.

Finally, what would you do if your neighborhood was invaded by murderous, foreign thugs who murdered, raped and tortured your family after destroying your home, stealing your land and then herding you into into a fetid Zionist gulag worse than any German concentration camp.

By the way, I've spent plenty of time in and and around Palestinian refugee camps.

How about you?










(1). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED

 

[gipper]

"LOSERS STILL HOWLING "ANTI SEMITE", "JEW HATER & "NEO NAZI" ETC"




Among the simplest realities that our gaggle of ignorant Zionist shills seem entirely unable to grasp is that the Arabs inhabited the Levant long before the invasion of Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs (1) from Europe.

That's right, if anyone is a "Neo Nazi", It is our traitorous infestation of Zionist shills whose first loyalty is to the same ruling Zionist regime that Germany's Nazi Party trained, armed, funded and helped establish a Nazi colony in Palestine.

In 1900, Palestine's Jews only comprised 4% - 5% of Palestine's mainly Muslim population.
Today, former Palestine is swarming with bigoted and greedy foreign Jews eager for free, stolen land.

To be clear, the overwhelming majority of Israel's Jews are no more related to the Ancient Hebrews than they are to the Eskimos.

Palestine's native residents were overwhelmingly Arabs who had been living, farming and working the same land for generations before the invasion of foreign Jews and genocidal Zionist.

For about 80 years, Palestine's foreign Zionist occupiers murdered, raped, tortured, mutilated and stole the homes of Palestine's native residents.

Apparently, our gaggle of clueless Zionist shills expected that the region's native residents and feel honored to die under the heel of foreign Zionist occupiers.

How dare the Arabs resist genocidal Zionist land thieves and defend themselves against the longest, most ruthless and barbaric foreign funded occupiers in History.

Finally, what would you do if your neighborhood was invaded by murderous, foreign thugs who murdered, raped and tortured your family after destroying your home, stealing your land and then herding you into into a fetid Zionist gulag worse than any German concentration camp.

By the way, I've spent plenty of time in and and around Palestinian refugee camps.

How about you?










(1). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED

They like to tell themselves Palestine was a vacant land prior to the Zionist invaders showing up and started mass murdering. The Zionist controlled media has really done a great job of duping these idiots. Of course, they’re lazy fucks unwilling to do the research to educate themselves.

 

[Stryder50]

"LOSERS STILL HOWLING "ANTI SEMITE", "JEW HATER & "NEO NAZI" ETC"




Among the simplest realities that our gaggle of ignorant Zionist shills seem entirely unable to grasp is that the Arabs inhabited the Levant long before the invasion of Nazi trained and armed Zionist terrorist gangs (1) from Europe.

That's right, if anyone is a "Neo Nazi", It is our traitorous infestation of Zionist shills whose first loyalty is to the same ruling Zionist regime that Germany's Nazi Party trained, armed, funded and helped establish a Nazi colony in Palestine.

In 1900, Palestine's Jews only comprised 4% - 5% of Palestine's mainly Muslim population.
Today, former Palestine is swarming with bigoted and greedy foreign Jews eager for free, stolen land.

To be clear, the overwhelming majority of Israel's Jews are no more related to the Ancient Hebrews than they are to the Eskimos.

Palestine's native residents were overwhelmingly Arabs who had been living, farming and working the same land for generations before the invasion of foreign Jews and genocidal Zionist.

For about 80 years, Palestine's foreign Zionist occupiers murdered, raped, tortured, mutilated and stole the homes of Palestine's native residents.

Apparently, our gaggle of clueless Zionist shills expected that the region's native residents and feel honored to die under the heel of foreign Zionist occupiers.

How dare the Arabs resist genocidal Zionist land thieves and defend themselves against the longest, most ruthless and barbaric foreign funded occupiers in History.

Finally, what would you do if your neighborhood was invaded by murderous, foreign thugs who murdered, raped and tortured your family after destroying your home, stealing your land and then herding you into into a fetid Zionist gulag worse than any German concentration camp.

By the way, I've spent plenty of time in and and around Palestinian refugee camps.

How about you?










(1). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED

Yet after the invasion of Poland in Sept. 1940 = start of World War Two, this "arrangement" changed as more Jews in Germany and the conquered lands were rounded up and placed in concentration camps, most located next to factories where those capable inmates were used in slave labor for the Nazi war machine, literally worked to death.

Interesting how you shills for Islamic Jihad and Islamic genocide towards Jews seem to forget much of relevant history.

 

[Stryder50]

They like to tell themselves Palestine was a vacant land prior to the Zionist invaders showing up and started mass murdering. The Zionist controlled media has really done a great job of duping these idiots. Of course, they’re lazy fucks unwilling to do the research to educate themselves.

The Jews occupied the Levant(Palestine) for two thousand years* before many were expelled by the Romans (c.70AD), and then the Arabs/Muslims arrived about 630-640 AD to expel the Byzantines.

*Abram's pact with YHWH to occupy the land of Canaan being about 2000 BC, when he became Abraham and the Hebrews/Jews became the religion/ethnic history would know.

You two clowns and stooges for Islamic Jihad should learn history and consider no longer supporting Islamic butchery of non-Muslims.

But I doubt you have the ethics, integrity or humanity to do such.

 

[gipper]

The Jews occupied the Levant(Palestine) for two thousand years* before many were expelled by the Romans (c.70AD), and then the Arabs/Muslims arrived about 630-640 AD to expel the Byzantines.

*Abram's pact with YHWH to occupy the land of Canaan being about 2000 BC, when he became Abraham and the Hebrews/Jews became the religion/ethnic history would know.

You two clowns and stooges for Islamic Jihad should learn history and consider no longer supporting Islamic butchery of non-Muslims.

But I doubt you have the ethics, integrity or humanity to do such.

Dumb! Tell me the number of Palestinian non-Jews living there before the invasion and the number of Palestinian Jews? What do you see?

 

[Grau]

Yet after the invasion of Poland in Sept. 1940 = start of World War Two, this "arrangement" changed as more Jews in Germany and the conquered lands were rounded up and placed in concentration camps, most located next to factories where those capable inmates were used in slave labor for the Nazi war machine, literally worked to death.

Interesting how you shills for Islamic Jihad and Islamic genocide towards Jews seem to forget much of relevant history.

How do you explain the fact that 150,000 Jews fought in Hitler's military until the very end?

Twenty five Jews rose to the rank of General and numerous Jews were awarded Germany's highest honors with the full knowledge and approval of Hitler and the German High Command.

Next, several, National Socialist Party (Nazi) members were also Jewish. (2)

Re:

Interesting how you shills for Islamic Jihad and Islamic genocide towards Jews seem to forget much of relevant history.

What is even more interesting is how Israel's genocidal shills love to trot out popular Holocaust mythology as some sort of justification for committing a real genocide in Gaza and the West Bank. (3)

The only "lessons of the Holocaust" learned by our genocidal Zionist shills is how to do it longer and how to get someone else to pay for it.


(1). "Historian claims Hitler personally approved officers of Jewish descent to fight for Nazis"

"ADOLF HITLER personally allowed at least 77 army officers of Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause…"

Historian claims Hitler personally approved officers of Jewish descent to fight for Nazis

ADOLF HITLER personally allowed at least 77 army officers of Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause…

www.irishtimes.com

EXCERPT ""In many cases, Hitler decided personally what should be done with soldiers of Jewish descent - and he made different decisions from case to case."

The most senior general of Jewish origin was Field Marshall Erhard Milch, who rose to be general inspector of the Luftwaffe and was convicted of war crimes after 1945." CONTINUED


(2). “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


(3). "Israel using Holocaust as a cover for Gaza genocide: Holocaust survivor"

" Israel is manipulating the memory of the Holocaust ‘as a justification for perpetrating the same in Gaza as a genocide against Palestinians,’ says Holocaust survivor Stephen Kapos"

Israel using Holocaust as a cover for Gaza genocide: Holocaust survivor

Israel is manipulating the memory of the Holocaust ‘as a justification for perpetrating the same in Gaza as a genocide against Palestinians,’ says Holocaust survivor Stephen Kapos - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

EXCERPTS. “- Israel has made clear it wants to ‘obliterate Gaza as a place to live at all’ and is now in ‘the last stages of ethnic cleansing by means of genocide,’ Kapos tells Anadolu

- Israel and its supporters want to ‘conflate being Jewish with support for Israel and Zionism’ but that is ‘a lie and complete untruth,’ says Kapos.

"Israel is manipulating the memory of the Holocaust as a cover to carry out the same atrocities in Gaza, according to a Holocaust survivor.

Stephen Kapos, an 87-year-old Holocaust survivor from Budapest, believes there is no doubt that Israel is committing a “genocide” in the Gaza Strip.

“I am here because I protest against the use of the memory of the Holocaust as a cover and as a justification for perpetrating the same in Gaza as a genocide against the Palestinian people,” Kapos, who lost most of his family in the Holocaust, told Anadolu at a recent pro-Palestine rally in London.” CONTINUED

 

[Stryder50]

How do you explain the fact that 150,000 Jews fought in Hitler's military until the very end?

Twenty five Jews rose to the rank of General and numerous Jews were awarded Germany's highest honors with the full knowledge and approval of Hitler and the German High Command.

Next, several, National Socialist Party (Nazi) members were also Jewish. (2)

Re:


What is even more interesting is how Israel's genocidal shills love to trot out popular Holocaust mythology as some sort of justification for committing a real genocide in Gaza and the West Bank. (3)

The only "lessons of the Holocaust" learned by our genocidal Zionist shills is how to do it longer and how to get someone else to pay for it.


(1). "Historian claims Hitler personally approved officers of Jewish descent to fight for Nazis"

"ADOLF HITLER personally allowed at least 77 army officers of Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause…"

Historian claims Hitler personally approved officers of Jewish descent to fight for Nazis

ADOLF HITLER personally allowed at least 77 army officers of Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause…

www.irishtimes.com

EXCERPT ""In many cases, Hitler decided personally what should be done with soldiers of Jewish descent - and he made different decisions from case to case."

The most senior general of Jewish origin was Field Marshall Erhard Milch, who rose to be general inspector of the Luftwaffe and was convicted of war crimes after 1945." CONTINUED


(2). “List of Nazis of non-Germanic descent”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nazis_of_non-Germanic_descent

EXCERPT “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent. “ CONTINUED


(3). "Israel using Holocaust as a cover for Gaza genocide: Holocaust survivor"

" Israel is manipulating the memory of the Holocaust ‘as a justification for perpetrating the same in Gaza as a genocide against Palestinians,’ says Holocaust survivor Stephen Kapos"

Israel using Holocaust as a cover for Gaza genocide: Holocaust survivor

Israel is manipulating the memory of the Holocaust ‘as a justification for perpetrating the same in Gaza as a genocide against Palestinians,’ says Holocaust survivor Stephen Kapos - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

EXCERPTS. “- Israel has made clear it wants to ‘obliterate Gaza as a place to live at all’ and is now in ‘the last stages of ethnic cleansing by means of genocide,’ Kapos tells Anadolu

- Israel and its supporters want to ‘conflate being Jewish with support for Israel and Zionism’ but that is ‘a lie and complete untruth,’ says Kapos.

"Israel is manipulating the memory of the Holocaust as a cover to carry out the same atrocities in Gaza, according to a Holocaust survivor.

Stephen Kapos, an 87-year-old Holocaust survivor from Budapest, believes there is no doubt that Israel is committing a “genocide” in the Gaza Strip.

“I am here because I protest against the use of the memory of the Holocaust as a cover and as a justification for perpetrating the same in Gaza as a genocide against the Palestinian people,” Kapos, who lost most of his family in the Holocaust, told Anadolu at a recent pro-Palestine rally in London.” CONTINUED

Re: your (2) wiki link;
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So like most of your claims, no valid proof or sources. Just more fabrications and lies.
You make Allah proud.

That "Irish Times article, from 1997, is also highly suspect. One "historian" of questionable credentials and no evidence.
Here is the key text that is also suspect;
...

ADOLF HITLER personally allowed at least 77 army officers of Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause in the German Wehrmacht during the second World War, an American historian said yesterday. Mr Bryan Rigg, reporting on his research in the weekly Die Zeit, said tens of thousands of Germans, officially classed as Jews under Nazi race laws, fought for the Third Reich.

Some were patriots decorated in the first World War and some thought serving the Nazis would save them and their families from the Holocaust, wrote Mr Rigg, who is currently interviewing Wehrmacht veterans and researching old military files.

One worked for propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels and another helped a prominent Lubavitcher rabbi escape from the Warsaw, Ghetto to safety in the US, he said.

"Jews and so called mixed bloods had very different reasons to serve in the Wehrmacht and Nazi policy was much more contradictory than one might assume," Mr Rigg wrote.
...

 

[gipper]

Yet after the invasion of Poland in Sept. 1940 = start of World War Two, this "arrangement" changed as more Jews in Germany and the conquered lands were rounded up and placed in concentration camps, most located next to factories where those capable inmates were used in slave labor for the Nazi war machine, literally worked to death.

Interesting how you shills for Islamic Jihad and Islamic genocide towards Jews seem to forget much of relevant history.

Like most of your posts, you get everything wrong.

WWII started in September 1939, you dumb MFing mass murder loving Bibi cocksucker.

No one here supports Islamic genocide of Jews. However you and others here support the Zionist genocide of Palestinians.

Don’t try to compare those of us opposing genocide with you. We couldn’t be anymore different.

 

[Grau]

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So like most of your claims, no valid proof or sources. Just more fabrications and lies.
You make Allah proud.

That "Irish Times article, from 1997, is also highly suspect. One "historian" of questionable credentials and no evidence.
Here is the key text that is also suspect;
...

ADOLF HITLER personally allowed at least 77 army officers of Jewish descent, including 25 generals, to fight for the Nazi cause in the German Wehrmacht during the second World War, an American historian said yesterday. Mr Bryan Rigg, reporting on his research in the weekly Die Zeit, said tens of thousands of Germans, officially classed as Jews under Nazi race laws, fought for the Third Reich.

Some were patriots decorated in the first World War and some thought serving the Nazis would save them and their families from the Holocaust, wrote Mr Rigg, who is currently interviewing Wehrmacht veterans and researching old military files.

One worked for propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels and another helped a prominent Lubavitcher rabbi escape from the Warsaw, Ghetto to safety in the US, he said.

"Jews and so called mixed bloods had very different reasons to serve in the Wehrmacht and Nazi policy was much more contradictory than one might assume," Mr Rigg wrote.
...

You've written nothing that refutes the fact that many Jews held high positions in both the National Socialist government or Hitler's military.
Just because a Zionist Wikipedia editor attempted to obfuscate the fact that: " “Notably, there were several high-ranking Nazis of full and partial Jewish descent." doesn't change the truthfulness of it.

I'll bet that you don't even know that Hitler's doctor was Jewish, his driver was Jewish, his friends in Vienna's art world were Jewish and he even had a young, Jewish Pen Pal" (Rosa Nienau) who shared the same birthday.

If Hitler really hated Jews as much as gullible rubes have been led to believe, why did he promote 25 of them to the rank of General where they had control over hundreds of thousands of soldiers?

Of course you can't or won't answer because of the decades of fraudulent (1), (2) Holocaust mythology that's been poured into your head

Re:

One "historian" of questionable credentials and no evidence.

If anyone has"...questionable credential and no evidence" it's the lying Zionist shills who have never set foot in the Middle East and just parrots scripted rubbish from Zionist propaganda sites like:


- "Israeli Propaganda Is Unconvincing and Failing"
Israeli Propaganda Is Unconvincing and Failing

EXCERPT "For three weeks now, Israel’s hasbara — propaganda — has been mired with clear fallacies and paradoxes. For example, the World Health Organisation (WHO) rebuffed Israel’s claim that it had ordered the evacuation of Al-Ahli Hospital before it was bombed. The WHO described the Israeli demand to evacuate hospitals as a “death sentence for the sick and injured.” At the same time, Human Rights Watch reported that Israel used white phosphorus bombs against Palestinian hospitals. In other words, Israel’s bombing of a hospital was routine, which underlines the self-styled Jewish State’s disregard for human life.


- "A list of Israeli lies, propaganda and genocidal intent"

A list of Israeli lies, propaganda and genocidal intent

There's so much maybe you need a recap.

hebhjamal.substack.com

- "Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Spreading Disinformation"

Fact Sheet: Israel’s History of Spreading Disinformation | IMEU

The Institute for Middle East Understanding (IMEU) is a non-profit organization that offers journalists facts, analysis, experts, and digital resources about Palestine and Palestinians.

imeu.org

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(1). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(2). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

Holocaust Claims Conference fraud likely ‘much higher’ than $57 million

For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.

www.jpost.com

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED

 

[Mac-7]

- In general: the major Arab newspapers (Falastin, Ad-Difa', Carmel, etc.) praised Hitler in the 1930s. [Cohen, 2014:396 <Britain's Moment in Palestine>; Ehrlich, 2002:81 (Heb.)] <המזרח התיכון בין מלחמות העולם> (it should also be noted classical 'Falastin' who called Hitler "noble" [Palestine Post, 22-May-1933]).
<‏⁨"Noble Hitler" — Says "Falastin " ⁩ | ⁨The Palestine Post⁩ | 22 מאי 1933 | אוסף העיתונות | הספרייה הלאומית>

- 1933, Jamal Husseini orders hate books: 5 "The Protocols" forgery and 10 "Mein Kampf." [The Sentinel, 15-June-1933].
<‎⁨A MARGINAL NOTE ⁩ | ⁨The Sentinel⁩ | 15 June 1933 | Newspapers | The National Library of Israel>

- July 7, 1934, Emil Ghuri in his publication 'Arab Federation': "Hitler whom the Arabs admire very much." (Quoted in 'Palestine Post', 16-July-1934 <‎⁨STAVSKY APPEAL TO-DAY ⁩ | ⁨The Palestine Post⁩ | 16 July 1934 | Newspapers | The National Library of Israel>).

- The cry of 'Heil Hitler' became a key word that rang brazenly throughout Palestine." [Ziff, 1938:430]. <Full text of "The Rape Of Palestine By William B. Ziff ( 1938) (with Page Links For The Table Of Contents)"> <The rape of Palestine / William B. Ziff>

- In 1934, an Arab Nazi party was established [ibid]. In 1935: '"uniformed and Nazified" Arab youth troops are being formed in Palestine'. [JTA, 25-June-1935]. <Arab Daily Sees 14 Moslems on New Council - Jewish Telegraphic Agency>
Also, in Haifa, a Nazi-Arab club 'The Red Moon' was established [JTA, July-1-1935]. <Arabs in Haifa Form Nazi Club; Well Financed - Jewish Telegraphic Agency>
In 1936, the 'futuwa' - modeled on the 'Hitler youth'. [Rosen, 2005:109]. <Armies of the Young>

- In March 1935, the Templar newspaper wrote: Many Arabs saw Hitler as the most important man of the 20th century and almost every Arab knew his name. Fascism and National Socialism with their anti-Jewish attitude were welcomed by many Arabs. [Canaan, 1968: 53 (Heb.)]. <הגייס החמישי>

- In 1936, T. Wurst, the German consul in Jaffa: "The Muslim Palestinians .. deeply impressed by fascist teachings and views, especially from the National Socialists." [Mallman, Cüppers, 2010: 38].
<Nazi Palestine>

- New York Times, May 23, 1937, 'All' the Arabs of Palestine, [even non-Muslim Arabs] celebrated Muhammad's birthday with a flying Nazi swastika and pictures of Hitler. [New York Times, 23-May-1937]. <ALL ARABS CELEBRATE PROPHET'S BIRTHDAY; Christians Join Moslems in Fete Unprecedented in Palestine--Hitler and Duce Cheered (Published 1937)>

- Hilda Wilson, a teacher in Beer-Zeit throughout the rebellion of 1936-9, noted that most of her students were pro-Nazis and approved of Hitler. [Segev, 1999:343] <One Palestine, Complete>; 2013:357
<One Palestine, Complete>


- In 1937, Walter Dohle, the German consul in Jerusalem wrote: "Palestinian Arabs in all social strata have great sympathy for the new Germany and its Fuehrer..." ['Nazis 'shipped arms to Palestinians'. YNet, 7-May-2006]. <https://www.ynet.co.il/article/3248081>

- Awni Abd al-Hadi (of the Istiqlal institutions and the Supreme Arab Committee) in January 1937 told the Nazi magazine that the 'Arabs = like Nazis'. [Sentinel, 25-Feb-1937]. <‎⁨Arabs Like Nazis , Says Moslem ⁩ | ⁨The Sentinel⁩ | 25 February 1937 | Newspapers | The National Library of Israel>

- In 1938, Arabs respond to Hitler's words with cheers from the newspapers [for example, in the Petersburg Times - 16-Sep-1938].
<St. Petersburg Times - Google News Archive Search>

- 1938, about a hundred Arabs, including from Palestine, are represented in Nuremberg, September 23, 1938, when Fauzi Kaukeji welcomes them. [Davar, 5-Jan-1947]. <‎⁨9 א ו ז י 9 ה ‭3 —‬ א ו ז־י שפ‭,.. ‬ ⁩ | ⁨דבר⁩ | 5 January 1947 | Newspapers | The National Library of Israel>)

- Journalist John Gunther in 1939: "The greatest contemporary Arab hero is - Adolf Hitler." [Gunther, 1939:528]. <INSIDE ASIA> <INSIDE ASIA>.

- 1939, as Falastin's correspondent in London [ The Palestine Post, 14-Jan-1938]. <‎⁨Loading Oranges at Haifa RAfL-T 0-SHED-Tn-SB ? P IN FULL SWING ⁩ | ⁨The Palestine Post⁩ | 14 January 1938 | Newspapers | The National Library of Israel> pIssa Nakhleh justifies Arab propaganda office in Berlin, Nazi Germany. [The Palestine Post, 13-July-1939]. <‎⁨_elteti ⁩ | ⁨The Palestine Post⁩ | 13 July 1939 | Newspapers | The National Library of Israel>

- Ahmed Shukeyri [Shukairy / Shukeiri / Shuqayri] testifies in his book (in 1969, pp. 196, 201; Kedourie, 2012:189-190 <Arabic Political Memoirs and Other Studies> that they sympathized with the Nazis and "prayed" for their victory, referring to the years 1940-1.
Shukairy in his 'Dialogue, Secrets with Arab Monarchs and Presidents': 1970. "On the global level, the Allies achieved great victories on various fronts.. But.. But the Arab world did not support the Allies, contrary to the statements of the Arab leaders who announced their joining the Allies.. The Arab world is with Hitler, and people pray for his victory in the mosques, streets and homes, and I am one of those who pray for him in their homes."
(The same Ahmad Shukeiri helped with propaganda for Hitler [Congressional Record.. Vol. 107, Pt 24, 1961, p.5735 (p.35) <Congressional Record>; Congressional Record: Proceedings and Debates of the ... Congress, United States. Congress, 1965, p.456 <Congressional Record>; Detroit Jewish News, 3-Feb-1967,9] <February 03, 1967 - Image 9>, with Jamal Husseini - both justified the holocaust in 1946 [B'nai B'rith, 12-Jul-1946] <‎⁨Behind the British Conspiracy ⁩ | ⁨B'nai B'rith Messenger⁩ | 12 July 1946 | Newspapers | The National Library of Israel>, promoted neo-Nazis in 1962 [JTA, 3-Dec-1962 <Recall of Arab Delegate from U.N. is Sought; 'saluted' Tacuara - Jewish Telegraphic Agency>; JTA, 4-Dec-1962 <Chile Rebukes Arab Delegate at U.N. for 'saluting' Tacuara Group - Jewish Telegraphic Agency>; Sentinel, 20-Dec-1962 <‎⁨LOOK WHO'S APEING HITLER ⁩ | ⁨The Sentinel⁩ | 20 December 1962 | Newspapers | The National Library of Israel>, JTA, 12-Dec-1963 <Israel's Relations with Non-arab Lands in Middle East Irk Arabs - Jewish Telegraphic Agency,
Activities of Nondiplomatic Representatives of Foreign Principals in the U.S.: Hearings Before the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, Eighty-Eighth Congress, First Session. United States: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1963, p.1353. <Activities of Nondiplomatic Representatives of Foreign Principals in the U.S.>, Congressional Record: Proceedings and...' US Congress, 1965, PA15915-6] while mentioning a NYT article ['Facts'. (Vols. 15-17). Anti-defamation League of B'nai B'rith, 1968:424 ,<Facts>]. That piece decribed them as Nazis in its title before uttering its 'anti Zionism' <Argentine Youths in Nazi Group Salute and Cry: 'Hail Tacuara!'; Anti-Semitic Organization, Said to Be Growing, Asserts It Fights 'Zionism, Capitalism and Communism' Tells About Drills He Doubts Charges (Published 1962)>), was associated with Issa Nakhle [Herut, 29-Nov-1953 (Heb.) <‏⁨שוקיירי יוצא ל_&_רגן את המהגרים הערביים באמריקה הדרומית ⁩ | ⁨חרות⁩ | 29 נובמבר 1953 | אוסף העיתונות | הספרייה הלאומית>] - who glorified Nazi Germany [DAIA, Apr. 1958 <https://www.bjpa.org/content/upload/bjpa/anti/ANTI-JEWISH%20ACTIVITIES%20OF%20THE%20ARABS%20IN%20ARGENTINE%20APRIL%201958.pdf>], denied the holocaust [Nov.13.1972 at UN <National Lampoon>; 1978 in his memorandum to Carter, Saadat ahead of Camp David <Icon of Evil>; etc.] and worked with neo-Nazis for most of his career. [1963 corresponding with A. Arcand [Nadeau, 2011:351.
<The Canadian Fuhrer>]; Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, 1969:425; Anti Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, 1983:49; The American Spectator, 1986:20] <The American Spectator>).

- Popular magazine in 1940: "Palestine's Arabs admire Hitler for his Jew-baiting." ['Pathfinder', 16-Mar-1940]. <https://books.google.com/books?id=5u6vYDGBgIYC&q="Arabs+admire+Hitler+for+his+Jew-bait"+ing>

- Jaffa Arab activist, Muhammad Abu Sarrari: "Most Arabs in Israel were in favor of Nazi Germany." [Arbel, 2000:19 (Heb.)]. <https://books.google.com/books?id=qtAvAQAAIAAJ&q=הערבים בעד גרמניה>

- PLO’s Farouk Qaddoumi admitting that Arab "Palestinians" supported Nazis,: "Germany, yes. This was common among the Palestinians, especially since our enemy was Zionism, and we saw that Zionism was hostile to Germany, and vice versa." [7-Dec-2013 on RT]. <Palestinian Leader Farouq Qaddoumi: We Supported The Nazis In WWII><PLO Leader Admits Support for Nazis, Says They Saw Zionism as Common Enemy (VIDEO) - Algemeiner.com>

- Dr. Zaid Hamzeh (who was 9 years old in 1941): "We Arabs supported Hitler during World War II because he hated the Jews." [Memri, according to an interview with him on 9-Oct-2019]. <Former Jordanian Health Minister Dr. Zaid Hamzeh: We Arabs Supported Hitler During WWII Because He Hated The Jews>

- In 1941, Arif Abd al-Raziq / Aref Abdul Razzak meets Himmler, meets Goebbels - who, according to his words, made a "great impression on him", and who suggested that he recruit Arabs for the SS. [Yom Yom, 21-Jun-1949 (3) (Heb.)] <‎⁨יום יום⁩ | Page 3 | 21 June 1949 | Newspapers | The National Library of Israel>.

- On July 2, 1942, the second day of the First Battle of El Alamein, and news came about the fate of the Jews, Journalist reported, that (most) Arabs reacted with "open joy." [Cohen, 2014, ch 17: "The Arabs and Nazi Germany."] <Britain's Moment in Palestine>.

- August 1942: The CIA reports on the anti-Jewish sentiments of the 'majority' of Palestinian Arabs, influenced by propaganda. Expect Rommel... [Herf, 2009:139]. <Nazi Propaganda for the Arab World>.

- 1942, Peasants were being told by their Mukhtars and Muezzins:
"Now go and sell your land to the Jews and be quick about it, for in a month Hitler will be in Jerusalem and you will not only have your land back, but everything the Jews possess! Let the knives be sharpened ! The great day is about to dawn!" [Van Paassen, Pierre. 'The Forgotten Ally.' New York: Dial Press, 1943; The Answer, 1943:7]. <https://books.google.com/books?id=PmtymnQqC9YC&q="Now+go+and+sell+your+land+to+the+Jews+and+be+quick+about+it,+for+in+a+month+Hitler">

- General Glubb Pasha, wrote in 1944 that all the Arabs trained by the British deserted during World War II. Major Lyall Wilkes of the House of Commons stated, the British recognized during the war that the Haganah was the only force the allies could rely on. ["The British and Mr. Bevin," CIA, May 25, 1948; Congress, Vol. 94, Pt. 11. United States Government Printing Office, 1948, p. 3450 <Congressional Record>]. Others claim that about "78% of the Arab volunteers deserted the British army, often times stealing weapons for the purpose of helping the Germans fight the Jews." ['Nakba was result of "Palestinians" backing Nazis during WWII.' YNet, 15-May-2022 <Nakba was result of Palestinians backing Nazis during WWII>].

- In 1944, 'in secret ways, Nazi propaganda material, authored by Hajj Amin, was also stolen into Palestine.
Throughout the country his supporters drank in his words with thirst, and the phenomenon of the years of the rebellion returned: in the Arab circles they were already debating the distribution of Jewish property after the victory; And in Jerusalem and Jaffa, in Tiberias and Safed, the fate of the young Jewish women has already been determined: for each one, her future Arab rapist has been determined. [Lebl, 1996:98 (Heb.)]. <https://books.google.com/books?id=VJBtAAAAMAAJ&q=בצמא>
- Before the Farhud (in which they threw babies into the water in front of their parents, raped women before killing them), the Palestinian teachers in Iraq incited with the mufti. [Julius, Huffington Post May 25, 2015 <An Affair To Remember: What Happens In Couples After Someone Cheats? Part Three>]. And the Jenin born poet Burhan al-Din al-Abbushi called for genocide [Morad/Shasha, 2008:6]
<Iraq’s Last Jews>. He also wrote pro-Hitler poems in 1942-1940. [Hazkani, 2021]. <Dear Palestine>

- According to Edward Said, the pro-Nazi mufti represented the consensus of the Arabs of Palestine <Hitler's war against Jews continues in 'Palestine'>. In his book (1983:7): 'The Arab Higher Committee; It operated... especially since 1946... This committee, headed by the national leader of Palestine, Haj Amin al-Husseini, represented the Palestinian Arab national consensus, backed by the parties.The Palestinian political parties that operated in Palestine, and were recognized in some way by Arab governments as the voice of the Palestinian people, until the PLO...'

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And still today:


"Nazism in Palestinian society and the use of Nazi symbols."

Nazism in Palestinian society and the use of Nazi symbols - The Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center

On August 14, 2021, Palestinians from the village of Bayta held a demonstration near the outpost of Eviatar in Samaria. The outpost was evacuated in July 2021, but as part of the agreement with the Israeli government, the land is still controlled by the IDF, an issue which is currently being...

www.terrorism-info.org.il

"From Hitler to Hamas: A Genealogy of Evil."

From Hitler to Hamas: A Genealogy of Evil » ISGAP

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"'Mein Kampf' in Gaza ... and beyond."

‘Mein Kampf’ in Gaza ... and beyond

In more recent years, Hitler’s manifesto has continued to enjoy considerable popularity in the Arab world.

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"No need to apologize: Hamas are indeed the New Nazis."
The PalestiNazis, if we are to put this in a nutshell, aspire to complete what the Nazis failed to do – the destruction of the Jewish people. The time has come for us to finally take them seriously and simply believe them, that they fully intend to do what they say. As now, it is not only their words that speak for themselves, but their actions too...
'Hitler (of cursed memory) has a number of advocates among the Palestinians. And not only among Hamas. The Chairman of the Palestinian Authority (PA), Mahmoud Abbas, a renowned Holocaust denier, even at his ripe old age (and just one month prior to the October 7 massacre) never tires of explaining that "Hitler killed Jews because...'

No need to apologize: Hamas are indeed the New Nazis – www.israelhayom.com

"Hitler" – the preacher Massoud Rian once informed his audience – "was sent by Allah to punish the Jews for their bad behavior... and the Jews well and truly deserve their punishment." Rian delivered his inflammatory filth as part of the "enlightened" Jewish-Arab struggle against the demolition...

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"Nazism and the Palestinians."

Nazism and the Palestinians

Since Amin al-Husseini forged his alliance with Hitler, Nazism has profoundly influenced the Palestinian national movement.

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Why were arabs so anti Jew when Israel when Israel did not even even exist

 

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Why were arabs so anti Jew when Israel when Israel did not even even exist

As you probably know, Palestine was about 4% - 5% Jewish and about 85% Muslim in 1900.

It's simply not true that "They've always been fighting" or else the regional Muslims would have wiped out the tiny Jewish population long before the invasion of European Zionist terrorist gangs many of whom were armed and trained by Germany's SS (1)

Yes, there was sporadic and occasional clashes between Muslims and Jews but, overall, Palestine's native Jews and Arabs learned to share the land in relative peace (2) until the invasions of genocidal, foreign Zionist terrorist gangs who wanted a Jews only "Greater Israel".

I spent the '73 War in and around Palestinian refugee camps and based on several discussions I had, I learned that the Palestinians do not hate all Jews and want them gone.

Naturally, they hate the genocidal, foreign Zionists who have murdered their families, stolen their homeland and still want more.

Therefore, I would not say that the Levantine Arabs were "anti Jew" before the invasion of Nazi armed and trained foreign Zionist terrorist gangs and foreign creation of Israel.

After spending time among Nakba survivors, seeing photos of their former homes, friends and family members, I can see no reason why "aid" to Israel shouldn't be in the form of reparations to Palestine's native residents and Nakba survivors.

Thanks,






(1). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich
EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED


(2). “Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians”

Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians - +972 Magazine

Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in peace in the holy land. Menachem Klein’s new book maps out an oft-forgotten history of Israel/Palestine, and offers some guidance on how we may go back to that time. By Noam Rotem Menachem Klein’s book, Lives in...

www.972mag.com

EXCERPT “He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.”

Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers. He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly.

Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.” CONTINUED

 

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As you probably know, Palestine was about 4% - 5% Jewish and about 85% Muslim in 1900.

It's simply not true that "They've always been fighting" or else the regional Muslims would have wiped out the tiny Jewish population long before the invasion of European Zionist terrorist gangs many of whom were armed and trained by Germany's SS (1)

Yes, there was sporadic and occasional clashes between Muslims and Jews but, overall, Palestine's native Jews and Arabs learned to share the land in relative peace (2) until the invasions of genocidal, foreign Zionist terrorist gangs who wanted a Jews only "Greater Israel".

I spent the '73 War in and around Palestinian refugee camps and based on several discussions I had, I learned that the Palestinians do not hate all Jews and want them gone.

Naturally, they hate the genocidal, foreign Zionists who have murdered their families, stolen their homeland and still want more.

Therefore, I would not say that the Levantine Arabs were "anti Jew" before the invasion of Nazi armed and trained foreign Zionist terrorist gangs and foreign creation of Israel.

After spending time among Nakba survivors, seeing photos of their former homes, friends and family members, I can see no reason why "aid" to Israel shouldn't be in the form of reparations to Palestine's native residents and Nakba survivors.

Thanks,






(1). “Zionism and the Third Reich”
Zionism and the Third Reich
EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Himmler's security service cooperated with the Haganah, the Zionist underground military organization in Palestine. The SS agency paid Haganah official Feivel Polkes for information about the situation in Palestine and for help in directing Jewish emigration to that country. Meanwhile, the Haganah was kept well informed about German plans by a spy it managed to plant in the Berlin headquarters of the SS. /20 Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs. /21

In the aftermath of the November 1938 "Kristallnacht" outburst of violence and destruction, the SS quickly helped the Zionist organization to get back on its feet and continue its work in Germany, although now under more restricted supervision. /22” CONTINUED


(2). “Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians”

Before Zionism: The shared life of Jews and Palestinians - +972 Magazine

Before the advent of Zionism and Arab nationalism, Jews and Palestinians lived in peace in the holy land. Menachem Klein’s new book maps out an oft-forgotten history of Israel/Palestine, and offers some guidance on how we may go back to that time. By Noam Rotem Menachem Klein’s book, Lives in...

www.972mag.com

EXCERPT “He quotes the memoirs of Ya’akov Elazar from Jerusalem, who remembers how “the Muslim women cooperated respectfully with the customs of the Jewish religion…the Muslim neighbors allowed the Jewish women to pump water necessary before the Sabbath.”

Klein also describes how some Muslims even joined their Jewish neighbors in reciting religious prayers. He describes the cheder (a traditional elementary school where the basics of Judaism and the Hebrew language were taught) run by Hacham Gershon in the neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah, where Arab parents brought their children so that they would learn how to behave properly.

Klein also writes that sexual relations and marriages between Jews and Arabs were not unheard of, even if they were not considered legitimate.” CONTINUED

I suppose that the Palestine arabs assumed thst once the British left they would be given a muslim caliphate without sharing with the Jews

But that didnt happen

Jews accepted the UN compromise but the arabs didnt and its been misery and war for them ever since