The Homosexual Dilemma

[bodecea]

gay marriage will lead to all forms of group marriage and multiple partners of all kinds.

The arguments for multiple marriage will be exactly the same as for gay marriage----discrimination, equal treatment, being allowed to marry who they love, etc

Do yourself a favor and read Jill Ann Spaulding's book. I don't for one minute believe Hugh Hefner is gay.

does having multiple partners make one gay?

Probably makes one male.

 

[bodecea]

gay marriage will lead to all forms of group marriage and multiple partners of all kinds.

The arguments for multiple marriage will be exactly the same as for gay marriage----discrimination, equal treatment, being allowed to marry who they love, etc

Yeah that whole slippery slope argument- I can do it too.

Legalizing slavery will lead to letting blacks vote, which lead to women getting the vote, which will lead to women being allowed to use contraceptives, which will lead telling the government that they can't tell Americans how they have sex, which will lead to gay marriage.

What we do know gay marriage will lead to?

Couples in love getting married.

Just like my wife and I did.

And the haters hate that.

slavery and marriage are not analogous, although some may consider them to be.

the legal arguments for gay marriage are EXACTLY the same arguments that will be made for bigamy, polygamy, and all other forms of "marriage". Those making the arguments will use gay marriage as a valid precedent.

Its coming, is that really where you want civilization to go?

And NAMBLA will walk through all those doors opened for them by their friends in the gay movement. A winning playbook.

And again, you school us about NAMBLA.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

gay marriage will lead to all forms of group marriage and multiple partners of all kinds.

The arguments for multiple marriage will be exactly the same as for gay marriage----discrimination, equal treatment, being allowed to marry who they love, etc

Yeah that whole slippery slope argument- I can do it too.

Legalizing slavery will lead to letting blacks vote, which lead to women getting the vote, which will lead to women being allowed to use contraceptives, which will lead telling the government that they can't tell Americans how they have sex, which will lead to gay marriage.

What we do know gay marriage will lead to?

Couples in love getting married.

Just like my wife and I did.

And the haters hate that.

slavery and marriage are not analogous, although some may consider them to be.

the legal arguments for gay marriage are EXACTLY the same arguments that will be made for bigamy, polygamy, and all other forms of "marriage". Those making the arguments will use gay marriage as a valid precedent.

Its coming, is that really where you want civilization to go?

And NAMBLA will walk through all those doors opened for them by their friends in the gay movement. A winning playbook.

And again, you school us about NAMBLA.

Or I utilize logic and assume they will go with proven legal strategies.

BTW, would love a response to my previous post to you.

 

[Seawytch]

Your delusion does not change the fact that she is legally married to her life partner...and enjoying all the associated benefits. World ending yet?

It's an exercise in make believe. Same genders are biologically, mentally, and spiritually incompatible. Please refer to the blocks for a visual depiction of this principle:

Hang on...Yup, I was right. Your opinion did not make my marriage license disappear nor did it change the benefits we get for being legally married. Sucks to be you!

You live in a world of self delusion. A piece of paper can't make you married.

The piece of paper makes us civilly married. Our enduring love makes us spiritually married.

I'm glad that you are happy, but you are not married. you both have female genitalia ( I assume).

Which matters not in 36 out of 50 states. Regardless of your bigoted opinion, we ARE legally married....with all the benefits.

 

[Syriusly]

gay marriage will lead to all forms of group marriage and multiple partners of all kinds.

The arguments for multiple marriage will be exactly the same as for gay marriage----discrimination, equal treatment, being allowed to marry who they love, etc

Yeah that whole slippery slope argument- I can do it too.

Legalizing slavery will lead to letting blacks vote, which lead to women getting the vote, which will lead to women being allowed to use contraceptives, which will lead telling the government that they can't tell Americans how they have sex, which will lead to gay marriage.

What we do know gay marriage will lead to?

Couples in love getting married.

Just like my wife and I did.

And the haters hate that.

slavery and marriage are not analogous, although some may consider them to be.

the legal arguments for gay marriage are EXACTLY the same arguments that will be made for bigamy, polygamy, and all other forms of "marriage". Those making the arguments will use gay marriage as a valid precedent.

Its coming, is that really where you want civilization to go?

And NAMBLA will walk through all those doors opened for them by their friends in the gay movement. A winning playbook.

yep, the ACLU is already gearing up to fight for multiple marriage.

If SCOTUS approves gay marriage, what legal doctrine do they use to limit it to two persons?

IF SCOTUS agrees with the courts that the bans on gay marriage are unconstitutional, they will not even be considering any other question.

 

[Syriusly]

gay marriage will lead to all forms of group marriage and multiple partners of all kinds.

The arguments for multiple marriage will be exactly the same as for gay marriage----discrimination, equal treatment, being allowed to marry who they love, etc

Yeah that whole slippery slope argument- I can do it too.

Legalizing slavery will lead to letting blacks vote, which lead to women getting the vote, which will lead to women being allowed to use contraceptives, which will lead telling the government that they can't tell Americans how they have sex, which will lead to gay marriage.

What we do know gay marriage will lead to?

Couples in love getting married.

Just like my wife and I did.

And the haters hate that.

slavery and marriage are not analogous, although some may consider them to be.

the legal arguments for gay marriage are EXACTLY the same arguments that will be made for bigamy, polygamy, and all other forms of "marriage". Those making the arguments will use gay marriage as a valid precedent.

Its coming, is that really where you want civilization to go?

And NAMBLA will walk through all those doors opened for them by their friends in the gay movement. A winning playbook.

Yeah- and once again the homophobes attempt to equate homosexuals to pedophilia.

Didn't happen when the Supreme Court recognized that bans on mixed race marriages were illegal, won't happen when the Supreme Court recognizes that bans on gay marriage are unconstitutional.

And bigots in both cases were very, very sad.

 

[Syriusly]

gay marriage will lead to all forms of group marriage and multiple partners of all kinds.

The arguments for multiple marriage will be exactly the same as for gay marriage----discrimination, equal treatment, being allowed to marry who they love, etc

Yeah that whole slippery slope argument- I can do it too.

Legalizing slavery will lead to letting blacks vote, which lead to women getting the vote, which will lead to women being allowed to use contraceptives, which will lead telling the government that they can't tell Americans how they have sex, which will lead to gay marriage.

What we do know gay marriage will lead to?

Couples in love getting married.

Just like my wife and I did.

And the haters hate that.

slavery and marriage are not analogous, although some may consider them to be.

the legal arguments for gay marriage are EXACTLY the same arguments that will be made for bigamy, polygamy, and all other forms of "marriage". Those making the arguments will use gay marriage as a valid precedent.

Really- please make those arguments then.

I am really curious to see how you will.

 

[Syriusly]

Your delusion does not change the fact that she is legally married to her life partner...and enjoying all the associated benefits. World ending yet?

It's an exercise in make believe. Same genders are biologically, mentally, and spiritually incompatible. Please refer to the blocks for a visual depiction of this principle:

Hang on...Yup, I was right. Your opinion did not make my marriage license disappear nor did it change the benefits we get for being legally married. Sucks to be you!

You live in a world of self delusion. A piece of paper can't make you married.

The piece of paper makes us civilly married. Our enduring love makes us spiritually married.

Speaking of unlikely unions, you're only seeing one side of my marriage. My wife is a left leaning independent and her parents are hard core Leftists. Two very good friends of mine are a lesbian couple, one of them being my favorite teacher in school. My kids adore them and love having them babysit. Now that GM is legal in Idaho, their wedding is set for this June. We'll all be attending.
The asshole rabid anti-gay me is all you've seen so far.

I just thought you deserved a peek past the curtain.

I do get that- I have known some rabid racists that other than that topic were really cool people.

 

[bodecea]

gay marriage will lead to all forms of group marriage and multiple partners of all kinds.

The arguments for multiple marriage will be exactly the same as for gay marriage----discrimination, equal treatment, being allowed to marry who they love, etc

Yeah that whole slippery slope argument- I can do it too.

Legalizing slavery will lead to letting blacks vote, which lead to women getting the vote, which will lead to women being allowed to use contraceptives, which will lead telling the government that they can't tell Americans how they have sex, which will lead to gay marriage.

What we do know gay marriage will lead to?

Couples in love getting married.

Just like my wife and I did.

And the haters hate that.

slavery and marriage are not analogous, although some may consider them to be.

the legal arguments for gay marriage are EXACTLY the same arguments that will be made for bigamy, polygamy, and all other forms of "marriage". Those making the arguments will use gay marriage as a valid precedent.

Its coming, is that really where you want civilization to go?

And NAMBLA will walk through all those doors opened for them by their friends in the gay movement. A winning playbook.

And again, you school us about NAMBLA.

Or I utilize logic and assume they will go with proven legal strategies.

BTW, would love a response to my previous post to you.

The one about bigamy, et al? What is it about gay marriage that makes such things valid that we don't see in straight marriage?

 

[Votto]

Yea I never understood why or how The became involved in they marriage industry... I thought separation of church and state?

It has to do with entitlements.

Essentially the government is giving you special legal perks for having sex with only one person.

Crazy, huh?

 

[JakeStarkey]

And the antis sputter and splutter along.

No homoesexual dilemma exists.

Let's close the thread.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Yeah that whole slippery slope argument- I can do it too.

Legalizing slavery will lead to letting blacks vote, which lead to women getting the vote, which will lead to women being allowed to use contraceptives, which will lead telling the government that they can't tell Americans how they have sex, which will lead to gay marriage.

What we do know gay marriage will lead to?

Couples in love getting married.

Just like my wife and I did.

And the haters hate that.

slavery and marriage are not analogous, although some may consider them to be.

the legal arguments for gay marriage are EXACTLY the same arguments that will be made for bigamy, polygamy, and all other forms of "marriage". Those making the arguments will use gay marriage as a valid precedent.

Its coming, is that really where you want civilization to go?

And NAMBLA will walk through all those doors opened for them by their friends in the gay movement. A winning playbook.

And again, you school us about NAMBLA.

Or I utilize logic and assume they will go with proven legal strategies.

BTW, would love a response to my previous post to you.

The one about bigamy, et al? What is it about gay marriage that makes such things valid that we don't see in straight marriage?

No, the one where I told you a little about me. After you read it, you'll never take me seriously again.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

[ The FACT that homosexuality is a mental disorder remains to this day UNREFUTED.

Now you are the one who is delusional- or maybe just lying because of your intense bigotry towards homosexuals.

Virtually every professional psychological and psychiatric association in the Western World disagrees with you- aside from a few fringe anti-homosexual fringe associations with memberships in the dozens or hundreds.

Answers to Your Questions For a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality (American Psychological Association)
No, lesbian, gay and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder

LGBT-Sexual Orientation psychiatry.org (American Psychiatric Association)
No. All major professional mental health organizations have gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association’s Board of Trustees removed homosexuality from its official diagnostic manual, The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Second Edition (DSM II). The action was taken following a review of the scientific literature and consultation with experts in the field. The experts found that homosexuality does not meet the criteria to be considered a mental illness.


http://www.ukcp.org.uk/UKCP_Documents/policy/Conversion therapy.pdf
The British Psychological Society has published guidance
which says:
‘As same-sex sexual orientations… are not diagnosable
illnesses, they do not require any therapeutic
interventions to change them.’

http://www.bpc.org.uk/sites/psychoanalytic-council.org/files/6.2 Position statement on homosexuality.pdf
British Psychoanalytic Council
The British Psychoanalytic Council opposes discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
It does not accept that a homosexual orientation is evidence of disturbance of the mind or in
development. In psychoanalytic psychotherapy, it is the quality of people’s relationships
which are explored, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual.

Royal College of Psychiatrists:

The College wishes to clarify that homosexuality is not a psychiatric
disorder.

The American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors, and Therapists (AASECT) takes the position that same sex orientation is not a mental disorder


What you consider to be a 'fact' is contrary to the consensus opinion by virtually every psychological association in the Western World.

Any chance that you could highlight any actual 'science' from that list of popular held opinions?

I ask, because having read it, entirely... including the linked references, there's not a medical fact stemming from any science. All there is, is opinion of people who just decided that sexual abnormality is 'normal'.

Which means that it's Deceit, FRAUDULENTLY advanced as a means to influence the Ignorant.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I see the Flaming Socialist "Jake" is advocating to have yet ANOTHER thread closed.

No doubt because 'their Winning', again.

 

[Syriusly]

[ The FACT that homosexuality is a mental disorder remains to this day UNREFUTED.

Now you are the one who is delusional- or maybe just lying because of your intense bigotry towards homosexuals.

Virtually every professional psychological and psychiatric association in the Western World disagrees with you- aside from a few fringe anti-homosexual fringe associations with memberships in the dozens or hundreds.

Answers to Your Questions For a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation and Homosexuality (American Psychological Association)
No, lesbian, gay and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder

LGBT-Sexual Orientation psychiatry.org (American Psychiatric Association)
No. All major professional mental health organizations have gone on record to affirm that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association’s Board of Trustees removed homosexuality from its official diagnostic manual, The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Second Edition (DSM II). The action was taken following a review of the scientific literature and consultation with experts in the field. The experts found that homosexuality does not meet the criteria to be considered a mental illness.


http://www.ukcp.org.uk/UKCP_Documents/policy/Conversion therapy.pdf
The British Psychological Society has published guidance
which says:
‘As same-sex sexual orientations… are not diagnosable
illnesses, they do not require any therapeutic
interventions to change them.’

http://www.bpc.org.uk/sites/psychoanalytic-council.org/files/6.2 Position statement on homosexuality.pdf
British Psychoanalytic Council
The British Psychoanalytic Council opposes discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
It does not accept that a homosexual orientation is evidence of disturbance of the mind or in
development. In psychoanalytic psychotherapy, it is the quality of people’s relationships
which are explored, whether they are heterosexual or homosexual.

Royal College of Psychiatrists:

The College wishes to clarify that homosexuality is not a psychiatric
disorder.

The American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors, and Therapists (AASECT) takes the position that same sex orientation is not a mental disorder


What you consider to be a 'fact' is contrary to the consensus opinion by virtually every psychological association in the Western World.

Any chance that you could highlight any actual 'science' from that list of popular held opinions?

I ask, because having read it, entirely... including the linked references, there's not a medical fact stemming from any science. All there is, is opinion of people who just decided that sexual abnormality is 'normal'..

Considering that there is not a medical fact stemming from science that homosexuality is a mental illness- and considering that the concensus opinion of those who are actually trained and experienced in treating mental health is that homosexuality is not a mental illness- why should I care what a bigot like you thinks?

 

[Seawytch]

slavery and marriage are not analogous, although some may consider them to be.

the legal arguments for gay marriage are EXACTLY the same arguments that will be made for bigamy, polygamy, and all other forms of "marriage". Those making the arguments will use gay marriage as a valid precedent.

Its coming, is that really where you want civilization to go?

And NAMBLA will walk through all those doors opened for them by their friends in the gay movement. A winning playbook.

And again, you school us about NAMBLA.

Or I utilize logic and assume they will go with proven legal strategies.

BTW, would love a response to my previous post to you.

The one about bigamy, et al? What is it about gay marriage that makes such things valid that we don't see in straight marriage?

No, the one where I told you a little about me. After you read it, you'll never take me seriously again.

You're making an assumption that we took you seriously in the first place.

 

[GreenBean]

No- I mean the same bigots who don't want equality for homosexuals also want to control women's bodies also.

ah, typical accusations. People who dislike homosexual actions and the agenda are not bigots; hate the sin, love the sinner.

No- I mean the same bigots who don't want equality for homosexuals also want to control women's bodies also.

You can't win for loosing can you ?

You desperately try to enlist the Blacks and civil rights as your allies - when that doesn't work you try to enlist women in general and because a handful of demented lesbians jump on your bandwagon - you try and paint it as a womens issue

- you can't win on a level playing field - which is why you HAVE TO use deceit and slander - YOU CAN"T WIN .

Essentially he is correct though- bigots are bigots.

Whether you also hate blacks and Jews and women and Italians and Mexicans and Chinese is irrelevant.

You are no different from the person who hates other Americans just because they are black or just because they are Jewish or just because they are a woman.

You are no different from someone who calls an African American a 'n*gger' or a woman a 'c*nt'.

Just a different chapter in the book of bigotry.

Criticizing people based on lifestyle choice is not bigotry.

Bigotry is intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself. Read your statement, "Criticizing people based on lifestyle choice is not bigotry." Are you able to comprehend your lack of understanding?

 

[GreenBean]

gay marriage will lead to all forms of group marriage and multiple partners of all kinds.

The arguments for multiple marriage will be exactly the same as for gay marriage----discrimination, equal treatment, being allowed to marry who they love, etc

Yeah that whole slippery slope argument- I can do it too.

Legalizing slavery will lead to letting blacks vote, which lead to women getting the vote, which will lead to women being allowed to use contraceptives, which will lead telling the government that they can't tell Americans how they have sex, which will lead to gay marriage.

What we do know gay marriage will lead to?

Couples in love getting married.

Just like my wife and I did.

And the haters hate that.

slavery and marriage are not analogous, although some may consider them to be.

the legal arguments for gay marriage are EXACTLY the same arguments that will be made for bigamy, polygamy, and all other forms of "marriage". Those making the arguments will use gay marriage as a valid precedent.

Its coming, is that really where you want civilization to go?

And NAMBLA will walk through all those doors opened for them by their friends in the gay movement. A winning playbook.

And again, you school us about NAMBLA.

In 2003, a group of "mental health professionals" formed a group called B4U-ACT [founded by a convicted sex offender] to redefine pedophilia as a sexual orientation, ‘minor attracted people’ or MAP. Their goal is to get MAPS protected under the same laws as LGBT. There is an underlying progression to sexualize children at younger and younger ages by promoting the idea that normal friendships are actually sexual attraction. Once that idea is accepted, pedophilia will be accepted.

Pedophilia advocacy groups, including the tax-exempt B4U-ACT, are trying to “groom the public” into accepting "Inter generational Intimacy" , as per child trauma expert Dr. Joyanna Silberg

Former APA president Dr. Paul Fink agreed. “Pedophilia is very, very hurtful to children,” he told CNSNews.com. But because pro-pedophilia advocates keep “hammering away with their point of view,” they could still “have a very strong effect on the people who are holding back…because they know it’s a crime and it’s sick.”

 

[GreenBean]

gay marriage will lead to all forms of group marriage and multiple partners of all kinds.

The arguments for multiple marriage will be exactly the same as for gay marriage----discrimination, equal treatment, being allowed to marry who they love, etc

Yeah that whole slippery slope argument- I can do it too.

Legalizing slavery will lead to letting blacks vote, which lead to women getting the vote, which will lead to women being allowed to use contraceptives, which will lead telling the government that they can't tell Americans how they have sex, which will lead to gay marriage.

What we do know gay marriage will lead to?

Couples in love getting married.

Just like my wife and I did.

And the haters hate that.

slavery and marriage are not analogous, although some may consider them to be.

the legal arguments for gay marriage are EXACTLY the same arguments that will be made for bigamy, polygamy, and all other forms of "marriage". Those making the arguments will use gay marriage as a valid precedent.

Its coming, is that really where you want civilization to go?

And NAMBLA will walk through all those doors opened for them by their friends in the gay movement. A winning playbook.

Yeah- and once again the homophobes attempt to equate homosexuals to pedophilia.

Didn't happen when the Supreme Court recognized that bans on mixed race marriages were illegal, won't happen when the Supreme Court recognizes that bans on gay marriage are unconstitutional.

And bigots in both cases were very, very sad.

I hate Fascists, Murderers, Serial killers, child molesters, and homosexuals - not much of a difference between the last 2 - not much at all - some types of bigotry are actually healthy and justified.

 

[JakeStarkey]

GreenBean and Where R My Keys talking about science? Hilarious.