The History of Palestine

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[Marc39]

The history of Palestine...

Historian Yehoshua Porath...

The First Congress of the Muslim-Christian Associations which met in Jerusalem in 1919 and brought together thirty delegates fro various parts of Palestine adopted the resolution
"We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. Weare connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographicaal bonds. We desire that our district Soouthern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian government.

Historian Bernard Lewis...

For Arabs, the term Palestine was unacceptable.... For Muslims it was alien and irrelevant...The main objection for them was that it seemed to assert a separate entity which politically conscious Arabs in Palestine and elsewhere denied. For them there was no such thing as a country called Palestine. The region which the British called Palestine was merely a separated part of a larger whole. Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries; it was a group of provincial subdivisions, by no means always the same, within a larger entity. For a long time organized and articulate Arab political opinion was virtually unanimous on this point.

At first, the country of which Palestine was a part was felt to be Syria. In Ottoman times, that is, immediately before the coming of the British, Palestine had indeed been a part of a larger Syrian whole from which it was in no way distinguished whether by language, culture, education, administration, political allegiance, or any other significant respect. The dividing line between British-mandated Palestine and French-mandated Syria-Lebanon was an entirely new one and for the people of the area was wholly artificial. It was therefore natural that the nationalist leadership when it first appeared should think in Syrian terms and describe Palestine as southern Syria.

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[P F Tinmore]

The history of Palestine...

Historian Yehoshua Porath...

The First Congress of the Muslim-Christian Associations which met in Jerusalem in 1919 and brought together thirty delegates fro various parts of Palestine adopted the resolution
"We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. Weare connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographicaal bonds. We desire that our district Soouthern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian government.

Historian Bernard Lewis...

For Arabs, the term Palestine was unacceptable.... For Muslims it was alien and irrelevant...The main objection for them was that it seemed to assert a separate entity which politically conscious Arabs in Palestine and elsewhere denied. For them there was no such thing as a country called Palestine. The region which the British called Palestine was merely a separated part of a larger whole. Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries; it was a group of provincial subdivisions, by no means always the same, within a larger entity. For a long time organized and articulate Arab political opinion was virtually unanimous on this point.

At first, the country of which Palestine was a part was felt to be Syria. In Ottoman times, that is, immediately before the coming of the British, Palestine had indeed been a part of a larger Syrian whole from which it was in no way distinguished whether by language, culture, education, administration, political allegiance, or any other significant respect. The dividing line between British-mandated Palestine and French-mandated Syria-Lebanon was an entirely new one and for the people of the area was wholly artificial. It was therefore natural that the nationalist leadership when it first appeared should think in Syrian terms and describe Palestine as southern Syria.

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Many flags have flown over city hall but the same people have been there forever.
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Jews, Cretans, Egyptians, Iranians, Turks, and Armenians are probably the closest relatives to Palestinians and thus favors the hypothesis that most of the HLA Palestinian genetic background comes from the Middle East (ancient Canaan), ancient stock i.e.: ancient Canaanites.

Remember
Palestinian origin is pure Anatolian Canaanite.
Palestinian culture is pure Anatolian Canaanite.

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[Marc39]

The history of Palestine...

Historian Yehoshua Porath...

The First Congress of the Muslim-Christian Associations which met in Jerusalem in 1919 and brought together thirty delegates fro various parts of Palestine adopted the resolution
"We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria as it has never been separated from it at any time. Weare connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic and geographicaal bonds. We desire that our district Soouthern Syria or Palestine should not be separated from the Independent Arab Syrian government.

Historian Bernard Lewis...

For Arabs, the term Palestine was unacceptable.... For Muslims it was alien and irrelevant...The main objection for them was that it seemed to assert a separate entity which politically conscious Arabs in Palestine and elsewhere denied. For them there was no such thing as a country called Palestine. The region which the British called Palestine was merely a separated part of a larger whole. Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries; it was a group of provincial subdivisions, by no means always the same, within a larger entity. For a long time organized and articulate Arab political opinion was virtually unanimous on this point.

At first, the country of which Palestine was a part was felt to be Syria. In Ottoman times, that is, immediately before the coming of the British, Palestine had indeed been a part of a larger Syrian whole from which it was in no way distinguished whether by language, culture, education, administration, political allegiance, or any other significant respect. The dividing line between British-mandated Palestine and French-mandated Syria-Lebanon was an entirely new one and for the people of the area was wholly artificial. It was therefore natural that the nationalist leadership when it first appeared should think in Syrian terms and describe Palestine as southern Syria.

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Many flags have flown over city hall but the same people have been there forever.

Palestine has never existed.

Princeton University professor Philip Hitti, eminent Arab historian, who represented the Institute of Arab American Affairs before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry...

The Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us, because by smearing the walls of the rooms with maps of Palestine they are associating it in the mind of the average American--and I may say perhaps the Englishman, too--with the Jews. Sir, there is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.

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[P F Tinmore]

The history of Palestine...

Historian Yehoshua Porath...


Historian Bernard Lewis...


You've just be PWNED, again.

You're the Forum Dunce.

Many flags have flown over city hall but the same people have been there forever.

Palestine has never existed.

Princeton University professor Philip Hitti, eminent Arab historian, who represented the Institute of Arab American Affairs before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry...

The Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us, because by smearing the walls of the rooms with maps of Palestine they are associating it in the mind of the average American--and I may say perhaps the Englishman, too--with the Jews. Sir, there is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.

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You are the Forum Dunce.

You seem to be stuck on a name. The people who are now called Palestinians have lived there forever.

Native Americans lived in "America" since before there was an America. They remain the indigenous population regardless of any name changes.

 

[Marc39]

Many flags have flown over city hall but the same people have been there forever.

Palestine has never existed.

Princeton University professor Philip Hitti, eminent Arab historian, who represented the Institute of Arab American Affairs before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry...

The Sunday schools have done a great deal of harm to us, because by smearing the walls of the rooms with maps of Palestine they are associating it in the mind of the average American--and I may say perhaps the Englishman, too--with the Jews. Sir, there is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not.

You are PWNED, again.
You are the Forum Dunce.

You seem to be stuck on a name. The people who are now called Palestinians have lived there forever.

Native Americans lived in "America" since before there was an America. They remain the indigenous population regardless of any name changes.

You seem to be stuck on stupid, Forum Dunce. Hundreds of thousands of Arabs from as far away as North Africa migrated to "Palestine" to take advantage of the booming economy fostered by Zionists.

Royal Palestine Commission...

The Arab population shows a remarkable increase since 1920, and it has had some share in the increased prosperity of Palestine. Many Arab landowners have benefited from the sale of land and the profitable investment of the purchase money. The fellaheen are better off on the whole than they were in 1920. This Arab progress has been partly due to the import of Jewish capital into Palestine and other factors associated with the growth of the National Home. In particular, the Arabs have benefited from social services which could not have been provided on the existing scale without the revenue obtained from the Jews.

The shortage of land is due less to purchase by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought.

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[JWBooth]

Palestine has never existed.

The hell it hasn't. Google found it right quick.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine has never existed.

Princeton University professor Philip Hitti, eminent Arab historian, who represented the Institute of Arab American Affairs before the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry...


You are PWNED, again.
You are the Forum Dunce.

You seem to be stuck on a name. The people who are now called Palestinians have lived there forever.

Native Americans lived in "America" since before there was an America. They remain the indigenous population regardless of any name changes.

You seem to be stuck on stupid, Forum Dunce. Hundreds of thousands of Arabs from as far away as North Africa migrated to "Palestine" to take advantage of the booming economy fostered by Zionists.

Royal Palestine Commission...

The Arab population shows a remarkable increase since 1920, and it has had some share in the increased prosperity of Palestine. Many Arab landowners have benefited from the sale of land and the profitable investment of the purchase money. The fellaheen are better off on the whole than they were in 1920. This Arab progress has been partly due to the import of Jewish capital into Palestine and other factors associated with the growth of the National Home. In particular, the Arabs have benefited from social services which could not have been provided on the existing scale without the revenue obtained from the Jews.

The shortage of land is due less to purchase by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought.

You lose, again, Forum Dunce.

Most of the prosperity that the Jews brought to Palestine they kept to themselves. Most of the Palestinian's prosperity was due to being out from under Ottoman taxes and regulations. Most of the Jewish prosperity was subsidized by money mooched from outside while Palestinian prosperity was reinvestment of their profits.

 

[Marc39]

You seem to be stuck on a name. The people who are now called Palestinians have lived there forever.

Native Americans lived in "America" since before there was an America. They remain the indigenous population regardless of any name changes.

You seem to be stuck on stupid, Forum Dunce. Hundreds of thousands of Arabs from as far away as North Africa migrated to "Palestine" to take advantage of the booming economy fostered by Zionists.

Royal Palestine Commission...

The Arab population shows a remarkable increase since 1920, and it has had some share in the increased prosperity of Palestine. Many Arab landowners have benefited from the sale of land and the profitable investment of the purchase money. The fellaheen are better off on the whole than they were in 1920. This Arab progress has been partly due to the import of Jewish capital into Palestine and other factors associated with the growth of the National Home. In particular, the Arabs have benefited from social services which could not have been provided on the existing scale without the revenue obtained from the Jews.

The shortage of land is due less to purchase by Jews than to the increase in the Arab population. The Arab claims that the Jews have obtained too large a proportion of good land cannot be maintained. Much of the land now carrying orange groves was sand dunes or swamps and uncultivated when it was bought.

You lose, again, Forum Dunce.

Most of the prosperity that the Jews brought to Palestine they kept to themselves. Most of the Palestinian's prosperity was due to being out from under Ottoman taxes and regulations. Most of the Jewish prosperity was subsidized by money mooched from outside while Palestinian prosperity was reinvestment of their profits.

You want the Jews to give away their prosperity, dopey dope, and to Arabs trying to massacre them? Even a moron of stellar proportions, like you, couldn't believe such idiocy.

Most of the prosperity to ALL of Palestine was due to Zionist capital and Zionist industry.

Hope Simpson Report to British Cabinet...

The cultivated land in the Hills varies very largely both in depth and quality of the soil. In the valleys there are stretches of fertile land, which will grow sesame as a summer crop. On the hillsides the soil is shallow and infertile, and the extent of land hunger is evident from the fact that every available plot of soil is cultivated, even when it is so small that the plough cannot be employed. There cultivation is carried on with the mattock and the hoe. The harvest of such plots, even in a favourable year, is exceedingly small—in general it seems doubtful whether such cultivation can pay. On the other hand, even the most rocky hillsides support trees, especially olives, and if capital were available, many of the cultivators of these exiguous and infertile plots would be able to gain a livelihood by cultivation of fruit trees and of olives. These cultivators have, However, no capital, and cannot afford to forgo even the meagre crops obtained, for the four or five years which are required before fruit trees render a return. In the case of the olive, the period before a return may be expected is much longer.

There is little irrigation in the hill country. Here and there are springs which afford a supply for the irrigation of a small area, but, taken as a whole, the country is arid and the crops depend on rain. It is possible that a hydrographic survey might disclose further water supplies, and scientific treatment might also improve the yield from existing springs. It is stated that during the War the Engineers of the Army of Occupation were able very largely to increase the supply from springs in certain places.

In the best case, however, it is impossible that the general character of the cultivation in the Hill country can be radically changed, except in so far as fruit can be made to replace grain. Something might be done to improve the soil and to reform agricultural methods, were capital available. The use of manures and provision of better seed would doubtless result in some improvement of the yield. But from the point of view of agriculture, the Hill country will always remain an unsatisfactory proposition.

A very large amount of money has been spent by the various Jewish agencies, and great improvements have been made. The work that has been done, especially in the direction of drainage and the introduction of new and improved methods of agriculture is highly valuable. There can be little doubt that in time, the application of capital, science, and labour will result in general success.

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[P F Tinmore]

Most of the Jewish prosperity was subsidized by money mooched from outside

A very large amount of money has been spent by the various Jewish agencies,

Yep.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Many flags have flown over city hall but the same people have been there forever.

Wow they must be really hardy to live that long.
I thought the maximum human lifespan was ~120 years. Even the Old testament tops it out at around 1000 years.
Recorded history goes back more than 1000 years, so how are they still the same people?

 

[Marc39]

Most of the Jewish prosperity was subsidized by money mooched from outside

A very large amount of money has been spent by the various Jewish agencies,

Yep.

You ran out of gas.
You're the Forum Dunce.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Many flags have flown over city hall but the same people have been there forever.

Wow they must be really hardy to live that long.
I thought the maximum human lifespan was ~120 years. Even the Old testament tops it out at around 1000 years.
Recorded history goes back more than 1000 years, so how are they still the same people?

Let's clear out the whole country. None of those people lived there a hundred years ago.

 

[Charles Stucker]

Many flags have flown over city hall but the same people have been there forever.

Wow they must be really hardy to live that long.
I thought the maximum human lifespan was ~120 years. Even the Old testament tops it out at around 1000 years.
Recorded history goes back more than 1000 years, so how are they still the same people?

Let's clear out the whole country. None of those people lived there a hundred years ago.

That's what we expect form TFPinhead - more tortuous illogic that is presented as reason.

 

[Marc39]

Many flags have flown over city hall but the same people have been there forever.

Wow they must be really hardy to live that long.
I thought the maximum human lifespan was ~120 years. Even the Old testament tops it out at around 1000 years.
Recorded history goes back more than 1000 years, so how are they still the same people?

Let's clear out the whole country. None of those people lived there a hundred years ago.

Palestine has never been a country, Forum Dunce.

Historian Bernard Lewis...

The region which the British called Palestine was merely a separated part of a larger whole [Syria]. Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries; it was a group of provincial subdivisions, by no means always the same, within a larger entity. For a long time organized and articulate Arab political opinion was virtually unanimous on this point.

You are Pwned, Forum Dunce.
You are the Forum Dunce.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Wow they must be really hardy to live that long.
I thought the maximum human lifespan was ~120 years. Even the Old testament tops it out at around 1000 years.
Recorded history goes back more than 1000 years, so how are they still the same people?

Let's clear out the whole country. None of those people lived there a hundred years ago.

That's what we expect form TFPinhead - more tortuous illogic that is presented as reason.

It echoed your stupid response. Of course the same person has not lived there for thousands of years.

If it is said that the French had lived in France for 2000 years, that does not mean the people have lived for 2000 years. It doesn't mean that they were called French back then. It doesn't mean that France was even called France back then. It is strictly a definition of lineage.

Genetically, the Palestinians go back to the Canaanites. They were there at the dawn of written history.

 

[Marc39]

Genetically, the Palestinians go back to the Canaanites. They were there at the dawn of written history.

No serious scholar agrees with such nonsense.

You are the Forum Dunce.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Here is a different take.

Who are the Palestinians? Tradition and history demonstrate (to educated historians) that the Palestinians are descendants of the first century Christian sect of Judaism. Modern genetic archeology proves unquestionably that this historical impression is correct. The majority of Palestinians are not ethnic "Arabs" but are in fact descendants of the ancient Israelites making them ethnic Hebrews. (A fact which most Palestinians are perfectly aware.) The complete ignorance of most regarding the actual identity of the Palestinians is shocking. See references pasted below for an extensive investigation of the Palestinian genome by Hebrew University. The crux of which, is the fact that many Jewish groups are more closely related to Palestinians then are other Jewish groups. The Palestinians are more closely related to the Jews then to the Arabs. (The Palestinians are also more closely related to the Kurds, Turks, and Armenians then to most Arabs.) The ancestors of modern-day Jews of the Diaspora were forced out of the Holy Land 2000 years ago, while their Palestinian brothers were left clinging to the land for 2000 years, and they won't let it go nor should they be expected to do so. These facts also support the return of Jews to Israel but not the exclusion of Palestinians since both have an ancestrial claim based on the mythos that G-d gave their ancestors the land. Of course, at the time G-d purportedly did this, they were the same ancestors.

The Palestinians are refugees from an ancient homeland to which they will always earn to return. - Reader comments at Daniel Pipes

 

[Marc39]

Here is a different take.

Who are the Palestinians? Tradition and history demonstrate (to educated historians) that the Palestinians are descendants of the first century Christian sect of Judaism. Modern genetic archeology proves unquestionably that this historical impression is correct. The majority of Palestinians are not ethnic "Arabs" but are in fact descendants of the ancient Israelites making them ethnic Hebrews. (A fact which most Palestinians are perfectly aware.) The complete ignorance of most regarding the actual identity of the Palestinians is shocking. See references pasted below for an extensive investigation of the Palestinian genome by Hebrew University. The crux of which, is the fact that many Jewish groups are more closely related to Palestinians then are other Jewish groups. The Palestinians are more closely related to the Jews then to the Arabs. (The Palestinians are also more closely related to the Kurds, Turks, and Armenians then to most Arabs.) The ancestors of modern-day Jews of the Diaspora were forced out of the Holy Land 2000 years ago, while their Palestinian brothers were left clinging to the land for 2000 years, and they won't let it go nor should they be expected to do so. These facts also support the return of Jews to Israel but not the exclusion of Palestinians since both have an ancestrial claim based on the mythos that G-d gave their ancestors the land. Of course, at the time G-d purportedly did this, they were the same ancestors.

The Palestinians are refugees from an ancient homeland to which they will always earn to return. - Reader comments at Daniel Pipes

Bogus information.
There is not one book of history on the Fakestinians written by a legitimate historian.

Bernard Lewis, foremost Middle East historian...

At first, the country of which Palestine was a part was felt to be Syria. In Ottoman times, that is, immediately before the coming of the British, Palestine had indeed been a part of a larger Syrian whole from which it was in no way distinguished whether by language, culture, education, administration, political allegiance, or any other significant respect. The dividing line between British-mandated Palestine and French-mandated Syria-Lebanon was an entirely new one and for the people of the area was wholly artificial. It was therefore natural that the nationalist leadership when it first appeared should think in Syrian terms and describe Palestine as southern Syria.

You FAIL, again.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I remember what one Israeli once told me: There is no such thing as a distinct Palestinian people (read about Mark Twain's visit to the Holy Land in the 1800's). But we have to deal with the here and now. What matters now, is that the people who live on the West Bank consider themselves to be Palestinian, and some accomodation has to be made for them.