The Hidden Threat of Communism in America

[Senter]

Knowledge isn't a horror, you hysterical dingbat, it's just an indication of which major US party best aligns with the goals of socialists/communists/marxists.

OK smart ass, I'll say this:

Republicans: pursuing one-party authoritarian dictatorship in service to selected corporate interests. I.e. fascism.

Democrats: pursuing a system that benefits the whole society with greater and improved emphasis on serving the people. I.e. democratic capitalism.

Socialists: pursuing a system entirely in service to the people with exploitation of workers banned. I.e. socialism.

So yes, the Democrats are a bit more aligned with socialism than Republicans are. So was FDR. And he ended up saying "I saved capitalism".

 

[Senter]

Ahh... so it's a reading comprehension problem. Maybe read the whole post next time? Here, try again: "Such coercive force should only be used when it's absolutely necessary, when it's vital for us all to commit to one decision. Otherwise, people should be left to decide for themselves how to live their lives."

Yeah, and so you didn't answer my concern or clarify the issue. You still oppose majority rule, which only leaves minority rule over the majority. That is dictatorship. And you advocate "coercive force" when the ruling, fascist minority decides something is "vital for us all to commit to". That, too is a dictatorship and fascist to boot!

NO.

THANKS!

Keep your fascist dictatorship.

 

[Batcat]

Capitalism has killed more, but you want to overlook those cases it seems.

Which has killed more people: communism or capitalism?

Aside from the fact that no one was let in peace so they could implement communism and all the countries which tried to go for communism were forced to stay in a State Capitalist + Social Welfare format, keep militarizing and stay in a state of pending war to defend themselves, one could easily...

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Tallying Capitalism’s Death Toll

Death by capitalism

I have noted a tendency when Communism or Socialism is discussed to immediately bring up the millions of lives lost under various regimes. Can we talk about death by capitalism?

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Neither system of government is perfect. The thing is we can correct unfairness in our government when we chose. Communist governments stifle any opposition to their policies.

For example we have regulations on our industries to limit pollution. I’m sure the Chinese would love to live in a nation with water and air as clean as ours but that isn’t allowed to happen in a Marxist socialist worker’s paradise.

Air Pollution in China Cuts Lifespan of Residents

China is known for being extremely polluted, but scientists just discovered that the air quality is now affecting the lifespan of many who live there.

www.opposingviews.com

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Hidden Threat of Communism in America​

Like a small, unnoticed fire in the basement which can destroy your home, Communism is lurking in the shadows of our nation.​

The Hidden Threat of Communism in America - The Stream

Americans don’t know enough about communism to see it when it starts here. Writing in the Tablet, Mary Mycio notes that we have “a certain herd immunity to Nazism and fascism.” But not to communism. The Soviet Union fell a...

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17 Sep 2021 ~~ By David Mills
Americans don’t know enough about communism to see it when it starts here. Writing in the Tablet, Mary Mycio notes that we have “a certain herd immunity to Nazism and fascism.” But not to communism.
The Soviet Union fell a long time ago, as people’s memories go. It fell almost 30 years ago. That means that no one under 45 or 50 will have any real memory of communism as a living force in the world. They know about Cuba because it’s close to us and about weird little places like North Korea. They don’t seem to think of China as a communist country. A few people try to say this, pointing to the state’s genocidal wars on its people, like the Uygurs. But few seem to care.
“After a generation of forgetting,” Mycio writes, “we have few cultural T-cells left to recognize coercive unanimity, punitive group think, and other warning signs when they appear in the body politic.” She lived in communist Ukraine and watched the Soviet Union fall after 70 years of tyranny. She wrote a book about the Chernobyl disaster, which exemplified the Soviet system. “Americans and others across the West,” she writes, “have simply forgotten about it all, or never learned about it in the first place.”
As far as I can tell, most people who think about communism at all don’t worry about it. They worry more about other people worrying about it.
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Lewis and Acton Knew This​

C.S. Lewis knew this. Writing during World War II, he worried that the “masters’ running things wouldn’t go away when the war was over. “Those who wish for whatever reason to keep their fellow-citizens regimented longer than is necessary will certainly say they are doing so in the interests of security.” Bossy people will always have a good-sounding reason for continuing to boss people around.
So did Lord Acton, author of the famous line, “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.” And of a just as famous but not as well-known follow-up line: “Great men are almost always bad men.”
It’s a dark view of men in power, but then God Himself through the psalmist tells us not to put our trust in princes. The psalmist says not to do that because they die and their works will pass away, but we take from the whole of Scripture a warning against trusting people in power to serve us and the common good rather than themselves.
This is, as it happens, both a conservative and a leftist insight. Disciple of Edmund Burke or of Karl Marx, you know the modern state can’t be left on its own. It cannot be trusted always to act well nor to protect the rights and freedoms of citizens. It must be watched, closely, and all the time.

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My Kudos to Mr. Mills, he's described what has been openly hidden within America and infiltrated and woevn into our politics, media, and education of our young.
I can’t fully agree with the idea that it is hidden. They seem to be pretty much in our face with it.
They now call it “Progressivism” because it sounds nice and positive forward-sounding and doesn’t conjure up images of gulags and commissars. This is directly out of the Saul Alinsky playbook, “Rules for Radicals.”
A Progressive Marxist/DSA Democrat, Barack Hussein Obama Jr., aka Barry Soetoro told us that under his administration beginning January 21, 2009, he would seek the "Fundamental Transformation of America" and in doing so destroy the U.S. Constitution and it's Bill of Rights in the process.
Now perhaps I might see it that way because I actually know what Communism is because I grew up when people were taught what communism was.
Oddly, the ideology of Marxist Socialist Communism is no longer hidden and is displayed daily openly within the halls of Congress by dedicated and card-carrying elected members of the Democratic Party.
See: Socialists in Congress with Ties to Communist Party USA

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List Of Socialists And Communists In Congress | Religio-Political Talk (RPT)

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When Did the Democratic Party Become Socialist? - Freedom Outpost

What is the Democratic Party? Or should we ask what was the Democratic Party? Either way, it is not what it used to be, and many indications seem to show that this party is neither for the people nor for the United States as we know it. It all boils down to, when the Democratic […]

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Hidden? LOL Hidden in plain site

 

[Orangecat]

So yes, the Democrats are a bit more aligned with socialism than Republicans are.

Thanks for agreeing with me. Now GFY.

 

[Senter]

Neither system of government is perfect. The thing is we can correct unfairness in our government when we chose. Communist governments stifle any opposition to their policies.

For example we have regulations on our industries to limit pollution. I’m sure the Chinese would love to live in a nation with water and air as clean as ours but that isn’t allowed to happen in a Marxist socialist worker’s paradise.

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Air Pollution in China Cuts Lifespan of Residents

China is known for being extremely polluted, but scientists just discovered that the air quality is now affecting the lifespan of many who live there.

www.opposingviews.com

So who is talking about communist governments but you??? Why are you trying to spin things? Or are you confused on the difference between socialism and communism?

 

[Senter]

Hidden? LOL Hidden in plain site

oh shit oh dear, we have another one who fantasizes communists under the bed.

 

[Senter]

Thanks for agreeing with me. Now GFY.

Why? You're the asshole here. The right is pursuing one-party authoritarian dictatorship in service to selected corporate interests. I.e. fascism. That's you.

 

[Batcat]

So who is talking about communist governments but you??? Why are you trying to spin things? Or are you confused on the difference between socialism and communism?

Marxist socialism often leads to communism.

Socialism Leads to Tyranny

The siren song of socialism and communism is alluring, but the record is crystal clear.

fee.org

 

[dblack]

Yeah, and so you didn't answer my concern or clarify the issue. You still oppose majority rule, which only leaves minority rule over the majority.

No, it leaves limited government. As I said, and you deliberately ignored, there are times when we need to commit to one way of doing things. In those (rare) circumstances, it's fine to resort to majority rule. Democracy is a reasonable means of coming to a group decision when such a thing is necessary. That last bit is core to what I'm saying. Because usually it's not necessary.

It's not necessary for the majority to rule on what religion we all follow. It's not necessary for the majority to rule on how we educate our kids, or how much gas costs. It's not necessary for the majority to rule on how we all must do healthcare or how we procreate.

In most social settings it's simply not necessary to mandate conformity. It's fine to let people make their own decisions, follow their own preferences. And it's wrong to force them to conform to the will of the majority without compelling justification.

But democracy zealots see it differently. In their view, democracy can do no wrong. Any criticism of their plans to grant government more power over society is met with "but democracy", as though anything the majority wants is a holy mandate. As though no policy supported by the majority could ever be wrong or abusive. That's just obviously untrue, and a dangerous premise for an entire political movement.

 

[Senter]

Marxist socialism often leads to communism.

Socialism Leads to Tyranny

The siren song of socialism and communism is alluring, but the record is crystal clear.

fee.org

How do you know that to be true? And do you realize that the article mindlessly flips back and forth between communist government and communist economy/society which BTW has never existed, contrary to your right wing ignorant article.

 

[BluesLegend]

OK smart ass, I'll say this:

Republicans: pursuing one-party authoritarian dictatorship in service to selected corporate interests. I.e. fascism.

Democrats: pursuing a system that benefits the whole society with greater and improved emphasis on serving the people. I.e. democratic capitalism.

Socialists: pursuing a system entirely in service to the people with exploitation of workers banned. I.e. socialism.

So yes, the Democrats are a bit more aligned with socialism than Republicans are. So was FDR. And he ended up saying "I saved capitalism".

Has my vote for 'what a crock of shit' award.

 

[BluesLegend]

OH HORRORS!!! From 1988 to the present voters have been urged to support the Democratic Party!!!!! OH HORRORS!!!

If by "urged" you mean a full blow corrupt propaganda war of Dem lies and twisted spin sure.

 

[Senter]

Marxist socialism often leads to communism.

Socialism Leads to Tyranny

The siren song of socialism and communism is alluring, but the record is crystal clear.

fee.org

Well, I've never talked about or advocated communist ideology, and no communist socio-economic system has ever existed, right? You do know that don't you? Your article doesn't.

 

[Orangecat]

Why? You're the asshole here. The right is pursuing one-party authoritarian dictatorship in service to selected corporate interests. I.e. fascism. That's you.

You’re not intelligent enough to keep me entertained, kid. Have a nice day.

 

[Senter]

No, it leaves limited government. As I said, and you deliberately ignored, there are times when we need to commit to one way of doing things. In those (rare) circumstances, it's fine to resort to majority rule. Democracy is a reasonable means of coming to a group decision when such a thing is necessary. That last bit is core to what I'm saying. Because usually it's not necessary.

It's not necessary for the majority to rule on what religion we all follow. It's not necessary for the majority to rule on how we educate our kids, or how much gas costs. It's not necessary for the majority to rule on how we all must do healthcare or how we procreate.

In most social settings it's simply not necessary to mandate conformity. It's fine to let people make their own decisions, follow their own preferences. And it's wrong to force them to conform to the will of the majority without compelling justification.

But democracy zealots see it differently. In their view, democracy can do no wrong. Any criticism of their plans to grant government more power over society is met with "but democracy", as though anything the majority wants is a holy mandate. As though no policy supported by the majority could ever be wrong or abusive. That's just obviously untrue, and a dangerous premise for an entire political movement.

The majority in the US advocates each person worship as they see fit. It's the RWers who want to stop Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism, and some (notably the neoNazis) want to end Judaism.

The majority in the US advocates private or public education as people see fit. It's the right that wants to end public education.

The price of gas is not subject to such advocacy.

The majority know we pay double what the next most expensive country pays for healthcare. It's the right that fights cost-cutting changes like a public option and drug price negotiations for Medicare.

So it seems you've just indicted the right as the political force that represents what you oppose.

You gripe about majority rule, democracy, and all sorts of rights. Do you find any time in the last 100 years to be a time when conditions in the US were to your liking?

 

[Senter]

Has my vote for 'what a crock of shit' award.

Is that your best contribution to the discussion? LOL!!!!!! Pathetic

 

[Batcat]

How do you know that to be true?

I said Marist socialism often leads to communism and it often does.

For example Venezuela.

How Venezuela Became a Communist Totalitarian State

When Hugo Chávez was running in his first successful presidential campaign, back in 1998, he was asked point blank in several television interviews whether or not he was a communist. icolás Maduro …

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And even when socialism doesn’t lead to communism it doesn’t work.

Socialism in the United Kingdom - Granite Grok

There was a reason why the United Kingdom was described as “the sick man of Europe.” The UK endured three decades of socialism. The United Kingdom underwent an economic revolution in the 1970s and 1980s. It happened because of one person. That was the Iron Lady, Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher...

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Three Nations That Tried Socialism and Rejected It | National Review

Israel, India, and the United Kingdom each lifted itself from economic stagnation by switching to free-market policies.

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Disasters are a true taste of socialism. Why would anyone vote for that?

Leftists always promise a paradise, while the results of their socialist agenda are always a disaster, why would anyone want

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[Senter]

If by "urged" you mean a full blow corrupt propaganda war of Dem lies and twisted spin sure.

I used "urged" because it was in the attachment Orangecat posted. And you have a hell of a nerve to talk about Democrats' "lies" after the last 5 years of the worst lies, bullshit, spin, and insanity the right has dished out!

 

[Senter]

I said Marist socialism often leads to communism and it often does.

For example Venezuela.

Communism? Do you mean a communist ideology or a communist socio-economic system?