CDZ The Hidden History of the La Raza or Chicano Movement

[Luddly Neddite]

The Euros invaded México in 1520. Look around any city or town on México and you can see that the Americanos won. Now the victorious raza is invading el Norte to take back the territory seized illegally in 1848. It took four centuries to recapture México south of the Río Grande. The northern territories won't take even half as long. La venganza won't be pretty, Smart gringos will emigrage to Israel while there is still time.

Actually, it's not that simple. I'm reading a bio of Frida Kahlo and the Mexican is as diverse as any other. It always has been and always will be.



Sadly, the US has decimated their agriculture and manufacturing. We have left them with almost no way to provide for their families.


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[JimBowie1958]

The Euros invaded México in 1520. Look around any city or town on México and you can see that the Americanos won. Now the victorious raza is invading el Norte to take back the territory seized illegally in 1848. It took four centuries to recapture México south of the Río Grande. The northern territories won't take even half as long. La venganza won't be pretty, Smart gringos will emigrage to Israel while there is still time.

Actually, it's not that simple.

So even Israel cannot save the Gringos? lol

Is it possible for the discussion to stay on topic, Nudly?.

 

[Elvis Obama]

A racist screed, completely inappropriate for the Clean Debate Zone. The darkies never had it so good before they started getting uppity. Debate!!

There is no racist screed here except for the quotes from La Raza people.

You just dont like the discussion and want it shut down.

This is not discussion and, I repeat, there is NO call for debate in your OP.

This is not about a struggle for civil rights. The La Raza movement is at its roots fascistic, racist, and it is a stealth movement to reconquer all of North America for the Bronze peoples, i.e. THE RACE and there is no room for whites or blacks on that Bronze Continent.

This bizarre conspiracy theory is a call to debate? Debate what, exactly? How much you hate dark complected people?

This whole forum is one giant flame zone and you have to come to the one subforum set aside for thoughtful debate and dump your worthless hatred here? Why? This whole damn board is a wasteland and you have to try to destroy the CDZ as well?

Standard liberal attempt to close discussion by spraying everyone with the label of racism.

Sad.

There is a conspiracies subforum. Post this idiocy there. The only thing that is sad here is posting a non-debate thread in a debate forum. You haven't said what it is you wish to "debate" because you cannot. Go away. Leave one forum for sane adults.

If you missed the Mod Message at CDZ - The Hidden History of the La Raza or Chicano Movement --- on the last page -- please read it. if you are still unhappy, find another thread. Please don't respond in thread. Contact any moderator to discuss. Elvis Obama

 

[Picaro]

I misunderstood you to be slamming on Chavez, my bad.

Not in the least. As I've said before, I'm a Liberal, a real one, which is why I wouldn't be caught dead voting for a Democrat these days; they're nasty, corrupt, and vile racists and labor racketeers of the worst kind. They deeply, profoundly hate this country, and are determined to reduce it to a third world shithole, with themselves as dictators. Blacks, hispanics, and any other 'minority' are complete and utter fools to think these scum are going to take care of them and give them anything.

 

[Picaro]

The Euros invaded México in 1520. Look around any city or town on México and you can see that the Americanos won. Now the victorious raza is invading el Norte to take back the territory seized illegally in 1848. It took four centuries to recapture México south of the Río Grande. The northern territories won't take even half as long. La venganza won't be pretty, Smart gringos will emigrage to Israel while there is still time.

Actually, it's not that simple.

So even Israel cannot save the Gringos? lol

Is it possible for the discussion to stay on topic, Nudly?.

Ah, well, like all issues the Luddlys and Elvises can't contribute anything but tropes and memes from the usual DNC media outlets, so they focus on derailing and insults, hoping to get serious discussions locked before much reality gets posted.

 

[JimBowie1958]

A racist screed, completely inappropriate for the Clean Debate Zone. The darkies never had it so good before they started getting uppity. Debate!!

There is no racist screed here except for the quotes from La Raza people.

You just dont like the discussion and want it shut down.

This is not discussion and, I repeat, there is NO call for debate in your OP.

This is not about a struggle for civil rights. The La Raza movement is at its roots fascistic, racist, and it is a stealth movement to reconquer all of North America for the Bronze peoples, i.e. THE RACE and there is no room for whites or blacks on that Bronze Continent.

This bizarre conspiracy theory is a call to debate? Debate what, exactly? How much you hate dark complected people?

This whole forum is one giant flame zone and you have to come to the one subforum set aside for thoughtful debate and dump your worthless hatred here? Why? This whole damn board is a wasteland and you have to try to destroy the CDZ as well?

Standard liberal attempt to close discussion by spraying everyone with the label of racism.

Sad.

There is a conspiracies subforum. Post this idiocy there. The only thing that is sad here is posting a non-debate thread in a debate forum. You haven't said what it is you wish to "debate" because you cannot. Go away. Leave one forum for sane adults.

Jose Vasconcelos was a Nazi colaborator and a racist fascist.

 

[flacaltenn]

A racist screed, completely inappropriate for the Clean Debate Zone. The darkies never had it so good before they started getting uppity. Debate!!

There is no racist screed here except for the quotes from La Raza people.

You just dont like the discussion and want it shut down.

This is not discussion and, I repeat, there is NO call for debate in your OP.

This is not about a struggle for civil rights. The La Raza movement is at its roots fascistic, racist, and it is a stealth movement to reconquer all of North America for the Bronze peoples, i.e. THE RACE and there is no room for whites or blacks on that Bronze Continent.

This bizarre conspiracy theory is a call to debate? Debate what, exactly? How much you hate dark complected people?

This whole forum is one giant flame zone and you have to come to the one subforum set aside for thoughtful debate and dump your worthless hatred here? Why? This whole damn board is a wasteland and you have to try to destroy the CDZ as well?

Standard liberal attempt to close discussion by spraying everyone with the label of racism.

Sad.

There is a conspiracies subforum. Post this idiocy there. The only thing that is sad here is posting a non-debate thread in a debate forum. You haven't said what it is you wish to "debate" because you cannot. Go away. Leave one forum for sane adults.

Jose Vasconcelos was a Nazi colaborator and a racist fascist.

That's actually a weak accusation. For many reasons.. The main reason is that this "story" is based on a blog article found at Jose Vasconcelos: the Nazi propagandist behind La Raza Mexican nationalism that contains ZERO references or links. It also makes no mention of how many times the Timon Magazine published any "favorable" Nazi content. It's classic useless factoid.

OTHER reason is -- if this guy was talking favorably about Nazis BEFORE the war -- he's in good company. Because A LOT of USA front line media was also fawning for Hitler and Mussolini at the time. . PRESUMBABLY -- without getting paid. This does not make the NY TIMES a "nazi collaborator".

Throwing a phrase like that around on the basis of a picture and an unreferenced 3 page "article" is not justified.

 

[JimBowie1958]

There is no racist screed here except for the quotes from La Raza people.

You just dont like the discussion and want it shut down.

This is not discussion and, I repeat, there is NO call for debate in your OP.

This is not about a struggle for civil rights. The La Raza movement is at its roots fascistic, racist, and it is a stealth movement to reconquer all of North America for the Bronze peoples, i.e. THE RACE and there is no room for whites or blacks on that Bronze Continent.

This bizarre conspiracy theory is a call to debate? Debate what, exactly? How much you hate dark complected people?

This whole forum is one giant flame zone and you have to come to the one subforum set aside for thoughtful debate and dump your worthless hatred here? Why? This whole damn board is a wasteland and you have to try to destroy the CDZ as well?

Standard liberal attempt to close discussion by spraying everyone with the label of racism.

Sad.

There is a conspiracies subforum. Post this idiocy there. The only thing that is sad here is posting a non-debate thread in a debate forum. You haven't said what it is you wish to "debate" because you cannot. Go away. Leave one forum for sane adults.

Jose Vasconcelos was a Nazi colaborator and a racist fascist.

That's actually a weak accusation. For many reasons.. The main reason is that this "story" is based on a blog article found at Jose Vasconcelos: the Nazi propagandist behind La Raza Mexican nationalism that contains ZERO references or links. It also makes no mention of how many times the Timon Magazine published any "favorable" Nazi content. It's classic useless factoid.

OTHER reason is -- if this guy was talking favorably about Nazis BEFORE the war -- he's in good company. Because A LOT of USA front line media was also fawning for Hitler and Mussolini at the time. . PRESUMBABLY -- without getting paid. This does not make the NY TIMES a "nazi collaborator".

Throwing a phrase like that around on the basis of a picture and an unreferenced 3 page "article" is not justified.

Did you see the link to the Life Magazine article from June 10, 1940?

The picture is from page 52 of that article. This is the primary reason I figured that there was some validity to the claims.

LIFE

 

[flacaltenn]

This is not discussion and, I repeat, there is NO call for debate in your OP.

This bizarre conspiracy theory is a call to debate? Debate what, exactly? How much you hate dark complected people?

This whole forum is one giant flame zone and you have to come to the one subforum set aside for thoughtful debate and dump your worthless hatred here? Why? This whole damn board is a wasteland and you have to try to destroy the CDZ as well?

Standard liberal attempt to close discussion by spraying everyone with the label of racism.

Sad.

There is a conspiracies subforum. Post this idiocy there. The only thing that is sad here is posting a non-debate thread in a debate forum. You haven't said what it is you wish to "debate" because you cannot. Go away. Leave one forum for sane adults.

Jose Vasconcelos was a Nazi colaborator and a racist fascist.

That's actually a weak accusation. For many reasons.. The main reason is that this "story" is based on a blog article found at Jose Vasconcelos: the Nazi propagandist behind La Raza Mexican nationalism that contains ZERO references or links. It also makes no mention of how many times the Timon Magazine published any "favorable" Nazi content. It's classic useless factoid.

OTHER reason is -- if this guy was talking favorably about Nazis BEFORE the war -- he's in good company. Because A LOT of USA front line media was also fawning for Hitler and Mussolini at the time. . PRESUMBABLY -- without getting paid. This does not make the NY TIMES a "nazi collaborator".

Throwing a phrase like that around on the basis of a picture and an unreferenced 3 page "article" is not justified.

Did you see the link to the Life Magazine article from June 10, 1940?

The picture is from page 52 of that article. This is the primary reason I figured that there was some validity to the claims.

LIFE

He edited what Time called a "pro Nazi" magazine. I have no idea what that means since like I said --- the NYTimes and others were running glowing pieces about Hitler and Nazis at the time.

I'll probably buy the :"intense hatred of the US" part. And for all I know --- his magazine Timon cuddled up to Nazis BECAUSE they hated the US -- not particularly loved Nazis. Don't speak Spanish -- haven't read an issue. If you WANTED to make the claim SOLIDLY --- you would have to find CONTENT of Timon -- not a press characterization. Because propaganda at that time was RAMPANT on both sides.

 

[JimBowie1958]

He edited what Time called a "pro Nazi" magazine. I have no idea what that means since like I said --- the NYTimes and others were running glowing pieces about Hitler and Nazis at the time.

Well, whatever 'pro-Nazi" means, the Nazis considered it worth paying him $5000 a month in the currency values of THAT time, which had the US dollar at $25/ounce of gold, or about 200 ounces of gold per month or about $240,000 a month in todays US dollars. I think we can be rest assured that Mr Vasconcelos was considered worth the money by the Nazis, therefore he was delivering the fascist screed.

I'll probably buy the :"intense hatred of the US" part. And for all I know --- his magazine Timon cuddled up to Nazis BECAUSE they hated the US -- not particularly loved Nazis. Don't speak Spanish -- haven't read an issue. If you WANTED to make the claim SOLIDLY --- you would have to find CONTENT of Timon -- not a press characterization. Because propaganda at that time was RAMPANT on both sides.

But his racist philosophy that focused on how Mexicans were the superior race, even before Hitler wrote 'Mein Kamph' is what the main point is here, and that dove tails quite nicely with his intense hatred of Gringos in the USA.

And do not forget that the philosophy that spawned the la Raza movement and the adaptation of that phrase 'THE Race' all come from Vasconcelo's writings which were demonstrably fascist, and racist as demonstrated by his uncontested hatred of whites in the USA.

 

[Care4all]

Lets get the basics out of the way. Chicano used to mean primarily poor Mestizos and were looked down upon by most Mexicans. The word Chicano was appropriated to basically mean all Hispanics in the student movements of the 1970s that spawned MECHa, the Raza Unida Party, the Brown Berets, and the general la Raza movement.

The movement focused primarily on Chicano Nationalism, but as white liberals began to assert that this was too narrow, the Chicano leadership shifted to the generic use of la Raza instead.
Aztlan
The Brown Berets are Chicano Revolutionary Nationalists. The basic premise of Chicano
Revolutionary Nationalism is this: the empowerment of our communities, the belief in self
determination, and to fight for our national liberation from foreign oppressors.

Chicana/os, as Natives of this land, have the responsibility and the obligation to fight towards and
proactively prepare for the day that our liberation will come. Everything we do and every resource
must be committed to achieving that goal.

Is it wrong to believe in something for ourselves? We have heard time and again well meaning
activists decry the idea of Nationalism claiming that it is an evil thing. This they base off of writings of bourgeoisie White Middle Class Leftists who compare Nationalism with Hitler's Nazism, Russo's
Fascism, and America's Patriotism. Why is it though that for the White Left, and their supporters in Raza circles, they are supportive of the Cuban Revolution, the Palestinian Struggle, the IRA's fight against British Colonialism, Venezuela's Socialist Reforms, and countless other Nationalist struggles around the world, yet when Chicanos say “We want liberation too” they will immediately denounce it as something bad. They tell us “Why can't you just be human?” “Why not just be an internationalist?” What we want to know is what makes every other struggle valid and ours not?

It is arrogant and hypocritical when bourgeoisie White Leftists try to dictate to us what is a valid
struggle and they convince Chicanos to follow their thinking. ...

White Leftists, regardless of how sympathetic they are to our struggle, still enjoy White privilege and
they are innately scared to think of what would happen to them if they can no longer control the world. It is why they still cling to American exceptionalism and they will denounce anything that is not according to their liking or created and controlled by them. We cannot depend on bourgeoisie White Leftists to fight our battles or be fully supportive of our end goal because the Chicano liberation of Aztlan would have such a powerful effect that it would change the entire world! It would destabilize the White power structure and bring it crashing down in every continent it has it's tentacles.

So the Chicano leadership shifted tactics and play nice as 'la Raza' promoters, but even many Hispanics took issue with that phrase as well. Immigration and the SPLC
The Chicano movement embraced the ideology of Mexican intellectual Jose Vasconcelos, who wrote that the joining of the indigenous people of Latin America and the Spanish conquistadors was producing “la raza cosmica,” the cosmic race. As Chicano nationalism surged in the 1960s, the movement embraced it. Scholars Guillermo Lux and Maurilio E. Vigil wrote: “Vasoncelos developed a systematic theory which argued that climatic and geographic conditions and mixture of Spanish and Indian races created a superior race.”61

“La raza” was a source of pride for many Latinos, the most militant of whom adopted the motto: “Por la raza todo, fuera de la raza nada” — “For the race, everything, outside the race, nothing.” But it drew resistance from many leaders who sought a place for their people within the broader American society. Cesar Chavez was one of the most outspoken critics.

“I hear about la raza more and more,” Chavez told biographer Peter Matthiessen. “Some people don’t look at it as racism, but when you say ‘la raza,’ you are saying an anti-gringo thing, and our fear is that it won’t stop there. Today it’s anti-gringo, tomorrow it will be anti-Negro, and the day after it will be anti-Filipino, anti-Puerto Rican. And then it will be anti-poor-Mexican, and anti-darker-skinned Mexican.”62

U.S. Rep. Henry Gonzalez (D-Texas), a liberal Democrat, attacked the formation of the Chicano Movement party, La Raza Unida, as “reverse racism…. as evil as the deadly hatred of the Nazis.” Denouncing what he called “the politics of race,” he said.” “Only one thing counts to them, la raza above all.”63

In recent years, as the NCLR has gained prominence in the political mainstream, its name has caused strains even within the organization. While some Mexican-Americans say they have adopted the term “la raza” without embracing its militant connotations, others have been uncomfortable with an organization whose very name emphasizes racial identity.

Janet Murguia acknowledged the difficulty in 2008 to columnist Ruben Navarrette, Jr., who criticized the name as “a musty throwback to the 1960s.”64

“We take a lot of heat for our name,” Murguia said, acknowledging that there had been discussions about changing it. “But historically I think it’s something that our community feels wedded to.”

Now who was this Jose Vasconcelos?
If you think nationalist Mexican chauvinism sounds fascist, you’re right. Infact, it is rooted in classic fascism. It springs from the mind of Jose Vasconcelos, a genuine Mexican Nazi propagandist who was on the payroll of Nazi Germany. During World War II, Vasconcelos was the editor of
"Timon", a German magazine promoting the Nazi agenda. Vasconcelos, a philosopher who loathed people of “anglosajon,” African and Jewish descent (among others), dreamed of forging a master “fifth race" of Spaniards (with maybe a hint of Amerindian, which Vasconcelosgrudgingly allows for tactical reasons) to defeat the hated “English” inNorth America, thereby claiming its rightful place at the top of humanity. Not surprisingly, Vasconcelos fit his own definition of perfection perfectly. Vasconcelos, 1882-1959, who once ran for the Mexican presidency, was
an influential education reformer and the author of La Raza Cosmica (TheCosmic Race; 1925) published in the very same year and under fascist influences as Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler.
In it, Vasconcelos foresaw his fifth race arising from superior Mexican racial elements—after having
mitigated African and dysgenicMexican traits. While apologistshave attempted to spin the book into a paean of tolerance throughracial diversity, in fact, it’s the opposite. Vasconcelos was a fascist, but he had to find a way to play the hand he’d been dealt—which was a very mestizo people. Vasconcelos turns tolerance and racial diversity on its head, by defining which racial elementshould dominate a master race of “cosmic” Mexicans. He choseSpaniards. Vasconcelos’ “La Raza,”theory is the Mexican equivalent of the Nazi “Aryan” theory. Vasconceloselevates other Latin Americans if they are predominately Spaniard—in thesame way that Nazis included various non-Germans as “Aryan” if predominately Germanic. Despite its inherent racism, his tract has escaped real criticism in the United States because of an environment of identity politics which permits “protected groups” like “Hispanics” to shield La Raza Cosmica from public scrutiny, even though it is seminal to
the racist nature of Mexican-American organizations like La MEChA, agroup which uses the slogan “For the Race, everything, outside the Race, nothing,” rabidly anti-Semitic websites like
Voz de Atzlan (Atzlan is the name for a race-based “Bronze Nation” comprising Mexico and much or all the rest of the Americas), and of course, La Raza, the largest Hispanic ethnic lobby in the United States.

Now think what you want about how deeply connected all these separate organizations are to one another, but consider two points here that are critical to get he full importance of the la Raza movement. 1. Is that they focus their efforts solely on their own ethnicity and refuse to help needy people of other ethnicities even in their own community. and 2, they have NEVER RENOUNCED the El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan, published in 1968.

Some of the highlights of that document never renounced by an la Raza organization unless they lose their right to use that label.

In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent. Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gabacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlán.

This is not about a struggle for civil rights. The La Raza movement is at its roots fascistic, racist, and it is a stealth movement to reconquer all of North America for the Bronze peoples, i.e. THE RACE and there is no room for whites or blacks on that Bronze Continent.

Is the San Diego LaRaza Lawyer Association part of this la raza group you speak about and link to above? Are they affiliated in any way?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Lets get the basics out of the way. Chicano used to mean primarily poor Mestizos and were looked down upon by most Mexicans. The word Chicano was appropriated to basically mean all Hispanics in the student movements of the 1970s that spawned MECHa, the Raza Unida Party, the Brown Berets, and the general la Raza movement.

The movement focused primarily on Chicano Nationalism, but as white liberals began to assert that this was too narrow, the Chicano leadership shifted to the generic use of la Raza instead.
Aztlan
The Brown Berets are Chicano Revolutionary Nationalists. The basic premise of Chicano
Revolutionary Nationalism is this: the empowerment of our communities, the belief in self
determination, and to fight for our national liberation from foreign oppressors.

Chicana/os, as Natives of this land, have the responsibility and the obligation to fight towards and
proactively prepare for the day that our liberation will come. Everything we do and every resource
must be committed to achieving that goal.

Is it wrong to believe in something for ourselves? We have heard time and again well meaning
activists decry the idea of Nationalism claiming that it is an evil thing. This they base off of writings of bourgeoisie White Middle Class Leftists who compare Nationalism with Hitler's Nazism, Russo's
Fascism, and America's Patriotism. Why is it though that for the White Left, and their supporters in Raza circles, they are supportive of the Cuban Revolution, the Palestinian Struggle, the IRA's fight against British Colonialism, Venezuela's Socialist Reforms, and countless other Nationalist struggles around the world, yet when Chicanos say “We want liberation too” they will immediately denounce it as something bad. They tell us “Why can't you just be human?” “Why not just be an internationalist?” What we want to know is what makes every other struggle valid and ours not?

It is arrogant and hypocritical when bourgeoisie White Leftists try to dictate to us what is a valid
struggle and they convince Chicanos to follow their thinking. ...

White Leftists, regardless of how sympathetic they are to our struggle, still enjoy White privilege and
they are innately scared to think of what would happen to them if they can no longer control the world. It is why they still cling to American exceptionalism and they will denounce anything that is not according to their liking or created and controlled by them. We cannot depend on bourgeoisie White Leftists to fight our battles or be fully supportive of our end goal because the Chicano liberation of Aztlan would have such a powerful effect that it would change the entire world! It would destabilize the White power structure and bring it crashing down in every continent it has it's tentacles.

So the Chicano leadership shifted tactics and play nice as 'la Raza' promoters, but even many Hispanics took issue with that phrase as well. Immigration and the SPLC
The Chicano movement embraced the ideology of Mexican intellectual Jose Vasconcelos, who wrote that the joining of the indigenous people of Latin America and the Spanish conquistadors was producing “la raza cosmica,” the cosmic race. As Chicano nationalism surged in the 1960s, the movement embraced it. Scholars Guillermo Lux and Maurilio E. Vigil wrote: “Vasoncelos developed a systematic theory which argued that climatic and geographic conditions and mixture of Spanish and Indian races created a superior race.”61

“La raza” was a source of pride for many Latinos, the most militant of whom adopted the motto: “Por la raza todo, fuera de la raza nada” — “For the race, everything, outside the race, nothing.” But it drew resistance from many leaders who sought a place for their people within the broader American society. Cesar Chavez was one of the most outspoken critics.

“I hear about la raza more and more,” Chavez told biographer Peter Matthiessen. “Some people don’t look at it as racism, but when you say ‘la raza,’ you are saying an anti-gringo thing, and our fear is that it won’t stop there. Today it’s anti-gringo, tomorrow it will be anti-Negro, and the day after it will be anti-Filipino, anti-Puerto Rican. And then it will be anti-poor-Mexican, and anti-darker-skinned Mexican.”62

U.S. Rep. Henry Gonzalez (D-Texas), a liberal Democrat, attacked the formation of the Chicano Movement party, La Raza Unida, as “reverse racism…. as evil as the deadly hatred of the Nazis.” Denouncing what he called “the politics of race,” he said.” “Only one thing counts to them, la raza above all.”63

In recent years, as the NCLR has gained prominence in the political mainstream, its name has caused strains even within the organization. While some Mexican-Americans say they have adopted the term “la raza” without embracing its militant connotations, others have been uncomfortable with an organization whose very name emphasizes racial identity.

Janet Murguia acknowledged the difficulty in 2008 to columnist Ruben Navarrette, Jr., who criticized the name as “a musty throwback to the 1960s.”64

“We take a lot of heat for our name,” Murguia said, acknowledging that there had been discussions about changing it. “But historically I think it’s something that our community feels wedded to.”

Now who was this Jose Vasconcelos?
If you think nationalist Mexican chauvinism sounds fascist, you’re right. Infact, it is rooted in classic fascism. It springs from the mind of Jose Vasconcelos, a genuine Mexican Nazi propagandist who was on the payroll of Nazi Germany. During World War II, Vasconcelos was the editor of
"Timon", a German magazine promoting the Nazi agenda. Vasconcelos, a philosopher who loathed people of “anglosajon,” African and Jewish descent (among others), dreamed of forging a master “fifth race" of Spaniards (with maybe a hint of Amerindian, which Vasconcelosgrudgingly allows for tactical reasons) to defeat the hated “English” inNorth America, thereby claiming its rightful place at the top of humanity. Not surprisingly, Vasconcelos fit his own definition of perfection perfectly. Vasconcelos, 1882-1959, who once ran for the Mexican presidency, was
an influential education reformer and the author of La Raza Cosmica (TheCosmic Race; 1925) published in the very same year and under fascist influences as Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler.
In it, Vasconcelos foresaw his fifth race arising from superior Mexican racial elements—after having
mitigated African and dysgenicMexican traits. While apologistshave attempted to spin the book into a paean of tolerance throughracial diversity, in fact, it’s the opposite. Vasconcelos was a fascist, but he had to find a way to play the hand he’d been dealt—which was a very mestizo people. Vasconcelos turns tolerance and racial diversity on its head, by defining which racial elementshould dominate a master race of “cosmic” Mexicans. He choseSpaniards. Vasconcelos’ “La Raza,”theory is the Mexican equivalent of the Nazi “Aryan” theory. Vasconceloselevates other Latin Americans if they are predominately Spaniard—in thesame way that Nazis included various non-Germans as “Aryan” if predominately Germanic. Despite its inherent racism, his tract has escaped real criticism in the United States because of an environment of identity politics which permits “protected groups” like “Hispanics” to shield La Raza Cosmica from public scrutiny, even though it is seminal to
the racist nature of Mexican-American organizations like La MEChA, agroup which uses the slogan “For the Race, everything, outside the Race, nothing,” rabidly anti-Semitic websites like
Voz de Atzlan (Atzlan is the name for a race-based “Bronze Nation” comprising Mexico and much or all the rest of the Americas), and of course, La Raza, the largest Hispanic ethnic lobby in the United States.

Now think what you want about how deeply connected all these separate organizations are to one another, but consider two points here that are critical to get he full importance of the la Raza movement. 1. Is that they focus their efforts solely on their own ethnicity and refuse to help needy people of other ethnicities even in their own community. and 2, they have NEVER RENOUNCED the El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan, published in 1968.

Some of the highlights of that document never renounced by an la Raza organization unless they lose their right to use that label.

In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny.

We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent. Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gabacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlán.

This is not about a struggle for civil rights. The La Raza movement is at its roots fascistic, racist, and it is a stealth movement to reconquer all of North America for the Bronze peoples, i.e. THE RACE and there is no room for whites or blacks on that Bronze Continent.

Is the San Diego LaRaza Lawyer Association part of this la raza group you speak about and link to above? Are they affiliated in any way?

Affiliated officially with what?

By the use of the racist phrase, coined by the fascist racist Vasconcelos, 'la Raza' they affiliate themselves with that racist movement in general.

IF they put the phrase Ku Klux Klan in there, would you be asking what particular KKK org they were affiliated with? Of course not as their own use of the phrase makes that irrelevant.

 

[flacaltenn]

He edited what Time called a "pro Nazi" magazine. I have no idea what that means since like I said --- the NYTimes and others were running glowing pieces about Hitler and Nazis at the time.

Well, whatever 'pro-Nazi" means, the Nazis considered it worth paying him $5000 a month in the currency values of THAT time, which had the US dollar at $25/ounce of gold, or about 200 ounces of gold per month or about $240,000 a month in todays US dollars. I think we can be rest assured that Mr Vasconcelos was considered worth the money by the Nazis, therefore he was delivering the fascist screed.

I'll probably buy the :"intense hatred of the US" part. And for all I know --- his magazine Timon cuddled up to Nazis BECAUSE they hated the US -- not particularly loved Nazis. Don't speak Spanish -- haven't read an issue. If you WANTED to make the claim SOLIDLY --- you would have to find CONTENT of Timon -- not a press characterization. Because propaganda at that time was RAMPANT on both sides.

But his racist philosophy that focused on how Mexicans were the superior race, even before Hitler wrote 'Mein Kamph' is what the main point is here, and that dove tails quite nicely with his intense hatred of Gringos in the USA.

And do not forget that the philosophy that spawned the la Raza movement and the adaptation of that phrase 'THE Race' all come from Vasconcelo's writings which were demonstrably fascist, and racist as demonstrated by his uncontested hatred of whites in the USA.

Yes.. He's a racist and a virulent anti-US advocate. But the ACTUAL quote was that the German Counsel in Mexico spent $5000 on month on propaganda. DID NOT clarify what fraction of that money went to Timon..

 

[JimBowie1958]

Yes.. He's a racist and a virulent anti-US advocate. But the ACTUAL quote was that the German Counsel in Mexico spent $5000 on month on propaganda. DID NOT clarify what fraction of that money went to Timon..

Well as editor of the Timon, I doubt he was failing to get a significant portion of that loot, er budget.

But how do you take the ideas of a racist fascist like Vasconcelos and create a 'la Raza' that is not also thereby racist?

You always get brine from a saltwater spring.

 

[Picaro]

Affiliated officially with what?

By the use of the racist phrase, coined by the fascist racist Vasconcelos, 'la Raza' they affiliate themselves with that racist movement in general.

IF they put the phrase Ku Klux Klan in there, would you be asking what particular KKK org they were affiliated with? Of course not as their own use of the phrase makes that irrelevant.

Of course they're all the same gang; they incorporate various entities because they can then get different categories of subsidies from the Federal and state governments. La Raza and its various fronts rake in many millions from Federal and state programs, to pay themselves and of course for indoctrination programs in public school systems, providing housing and legal services for criminal illegal aliens, etc., and of course they in turn provide buses to the polls for their constituents, tell them who to vote for, Democrats of course, and provide gangsters and thugs for such wholesome activities as beating up women attending Trump rallies and the like. They are a subsidiary of the DNC.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Of course they're all the same gang; they incorporate various entities because they can then get different categories of subsidies from the Federal and state governments. La Raza and its various fronts rake in many millions from Federal and state programs, to pay themselves and of course for indoctrination programs in public school systems, providing housing and legal services for criminal illegal aliens, etc., and of course they in turn provide buses to the polls for their constituents, tell them who to vote for, Democrats of course, and provide thugs for such wholesome activities as beating up women attending Trump rallies and the like. They are a subsidiary of the DNC.

So what are the odds that a White organization called 'The Race' could get the same funding?

 

[Picaro]

Of course they're all the same gang; they incorporate various entities because they can then get different categories of subsidies from the Federal and state governments. La Raza and its various fronts rake in many millions from Federal and state programs, to pay themselves and of course for indoctrination programs in public school systems, providing housing and legal services for criminal illegal aliens, etc., and of course they in turn provide buses to the polls for their constituents, tell them who to vote for, Democrats of course, and provide thugs for such wholesome activities as beating up women attending Trump rallies and the like. They are a subsidiary of the DNC.

So what are the odds that a White organization called 'The Race' could get the same funding?

100%. Have you heard of the Clinton Foundation? .... Diane 'Warbucks' Finstein's husband's business interests?

 

[JimBowie1958]

So what are the odds that a White organization called 'The Race' could get the same funding?

100%. Have you heard of the Clinton Foundation? .... Diane 'Warbucks' Finstein's husband's business interests?

Not sure, but that might be too funny for the CDZ.