The hard cold truth of modern style racism

[MizMolly]

As of this very second, 24 states have all white supreme courts. 18 state supreme courts have NEVER had a non white justice. In 2019. Yet in places like this people want to argue about how things are all in the past, or some other silly auto response some whites have when people of color speak truth.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve
A new Brennan Center report details vast racial and gender disparities on state supreme courts around the country.
Alicia Bannon, Laila Robbins
July 23, 2019

We spent a year studying the gender and racial makeup of state supreme courts, which are typically the final arbiters on state law. Our new report, State Supreme Court Diversity, paints a bleak picture of the demographic makeup of these powerful courts. It also points to judicial elections as a key inflection point for addressing the racial disparities we found.

Currently, white men are dramatically overrepresented on state supreme court benches. Though white men make up less than a third of the population, they hold a majority of seats on state supreme courts. Meanwhile, though people of color make up nearly 40 percent of the U.S. population, they hold only 15 percent of state supreme court seats.

Twenty-four states currently have an all-white supreme court bench. This includes eight states in which people of color are at least a quarter of the state’s general population. And in states that have at least one justice of color, there are substantial gaps between the diversity in a state’s general population and its high court bench: the percentage of people of color on the bench is higher than their representation in the state’s population in only five states.

Eighteen states have never had a Black justice on their state supreme court. And 13 states have not seated a single justice of color since at least 1960, the earliest year for which we had comprehensive data.

Elections have rarely been a path to the bench for people of color. Since 1960, only 17 justices of color have first reached the bench through an election, comprising 4 percent of initially elected justices. Comparatively, 141 justices of color were initially appointed to the bench since 1960, comprising 12 percent of all initially appointed justices.

Although candidates of color were more likely to have prior judicial experience as challengers to incumbents or as candidates for open seats, they won less often than their white counterparts.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve

There is nothing keeping anybody from applying for any position for any career in this country

Not anymore, at least not legally, but that's not the only way to keep out certain people that you don't want.

Can you show where anyone with qualifications was turned down in recent history?

By recent history I take it you mean since the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964? That's when racial and other discrimination was outlawed.

Do you have proof that qualified non whites were denied positions on any Supreme Court?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

As of this very second, 24 states have all white supreme courts. 18 state supreme courts have NEVER had a non white justice. In 2019. Yet in places like this people want to argue about how things are all in the past, or some other silly auto response some whites have when people of color speak truth.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve
A new Brennan Center report details vast racial and gender disparities on state supreme courts around the country.
Alicia Bannon, Laila Robbins
July 23, 2019

We spent a year studying the gender and racial makeup of state supreme courts, which are typically the final arbiters on state law. Our new report, State Supreme Court Diversity, paints a bleak picture of the demographic makeup of these powerful courts. It also points to judicial elections as a key inflection point for addressing the racial disparities we found.

Currently, white men are dramatically overrepresented on state supreme court benches. Though white men make up less than a third of the population, they hold a majority of seats on state supreme courts. Meanwhile, though people of color make up nearly 40 percent of the U.S. population, they hold only 15 percent of state supreme court seats.

Twenty-four states currently have an all-white supreme court bench. This includes eight states in which people of color are at least a quarter of the state’s general population. And in states that have at least one justice of color, there are substantial gaps between the diversity in a state’s general population and its high court bench: the percentage of people of color on the bench is higher than their representation in the state’s population in only five states.

Eighteen states have never had a Black justice on their state supreme court. And 13 states have not seated a single justice of color since at least 1960, the earliest year for which we had comprehensive data.

Elections have rarely been a path to the bench for people of color. Since 1960, only 17 justices of color have first reached the bench through an election, comprising 4 percent of initially elected justices. Comparatively, 141 justices of color were initially appointed to the bench since 1960, comprising 12 percent of all initially appointed justices.

Although candidates of color were more likely to have prior judicial experience as challengers to incumbents or as candidates for open seats, they won less often than their white counterparts.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve

There is nothing keeping anybody from applying for any position for any career in this country

Not anymore, at least not legally, but that's not the only way to keep out certain people that you don't want.

Can you show where anyone with qualifications was turned down in recent history?

By recent history I take it you mean since the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964? That's when racial and other discrimination was outlawed.

Do you have proof that qualified non whites were denied positions on any Supreme Court?

Do you have any proof that they haven't been?

And why did you change the parameters of your questions after I responded?

 

[IM2]

As of this very second, 24 states have all white supreme courts. 18 state supreme courts have NEVER had a non white justice. In 2019. Yet in places like this people want to argue about how things are all in the past, or some other silly auto response some whites have when people of color speak truth.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve
A new Brennan Center report details vast racial and gender disparities on state supreme courts around the country.
Alicia Bannon, Laila Robbins
July 23, 2019

We spent a year studying the gender and racial makeup of state supreme courts, which are typically the final arbiters on state law. Our new report, State Supreme Court Diversity, paints a bleak picture of the demographic makeup of these powerful courts. It also points to judicial elections as a key inflection point for addressing the racial disparities we found.

Currently, white men are dramatically overrepresented on state supreme court benches. Though white men make up less than a third of the population, they hold a majority of seats on state supreme courts. Meanwhile, though people of color make up nearly 40 percent of the U.S. population, they hold only 15 percent of state supreme court seats.

Twenty-four states currently have an all-white supreme court bench. This includes eight states in which people of color are at least a quarter of the state’s general population. And in states that have at least one justice of color, there are substantial gaps between the diversity in a state’s general population and its high court bench: the percentage of people of color on the bench is higher than their representation in the state’s population in only five states.

Eighteen states have never had a Black justice on their state supreme court. And 13 states have not seated a single justice of color since at least 1960, the earliest year for which we had comprehensive data.

Elections have rarely been a path to the bench for people of color. Since 1960, only 17 justices of color have first reached the bench through an election, comprising 4 percent of initially elected justices. Comparatively, 141 justices of color were initially appointed to the bench since 1960, comprising 12 percent of all initially appointed justices.

Although candidates of color were more likely to have prior judicial experience as challengers to incumbents or as candidates for open seats, they won less often than their white counterparts.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve

Hmm. I seen blacks murder innocent each other or intimidate whites, not too many KKK or white supremacists though. So this blame the cracker stuff rings a little hollow.

No one cares what rings hollow to you.

 

[IM2]

I remember this little old white lady that used to put out lemonade at a RTD bus stop. This was 1969. She was uber liberal as you can get...Beaten to death by a black male that resented whites. So, truth about that...What was the lesson? Um.. I still don't get it.. 50 years later.

Anecdotal. We can tell the same stories about whites. 400 years of them.

 

[flacaltenn]

the idea that so-called "people of color" should unite and vote against a candidate because he's white is pretty racist.

Hey.. The problem there is consistent.. They continually vote against BLACK candidates that are FULLY qualified to serve their districts and elect mushrooms instead... It's political.. Not racist. Don't get all upset about the "racist" nature of black voting... It's not...

Best part is --- then, after they boink the black person with the best qualifications because they're not democrat, the Black activists can accuse the GOP of being racist for not haven't any black seats on the Hill or in the State Houses..

Probably a little of that thing goin on behind the scenes of the statistics of judges...

 

[flacaltenn]

For a long time girls were also steered away from the STEM fields - math & science stuff is waaay too hard for females. Better they should be housewives, waitresses, secretaries, hairdressers etc<rolling eyes>

Not since the 60s.. My wife went into engineering college in the late 70s.. She says the reason women didn't choose to do that is that the STEM labs and buildings turned women off. All the glamorous parts of Colleges before the space program were in the Liberal Arts colleges.. Not gonna spend 2 hours a day primping up to go to dingy labs and classrooms..

It's true.. I interviewed at colleges for MANY of my Silicon Valley employers in the 80s and 90s... Hired a fair share of the eligible women. But there was still an aura of "auto mechanics" shop about the engineering/science portions of the campuses... Not so anymore -- probably a good reason things changed...

 

[flacaltenn]

Lets stop denying the obvious here. 18 states have never had a person of color on their state supreme court. To think there has not been one person of color that on merit did not qualify EVER is straight up insane.

OK.. Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Idaho, Montana, Utah and which OTHER 12 states that never had black people on their Sup. Cts made this list???

 

[22lcidw]

I remember this little old white lady that used to put out lemonade at a RTD bus stop. This was 1969. She was uber liberal as you can get...Beaten to death by a black male that resented whites. So, truth about that...What was the lesson? Um.. I still don't get it.. 50 years later.

Anecdotal. We can tell the same stories about whites. 400 years of them.

You have gotten a lot of mileage out of that. The problem is that there are white people in this lifetime that have suffered from the same things you have accused others of.

 

[JBond]

As of this very second, 24 states have all white supreme courts. 18 state supreme courts have NEVER had a non white justice. In 2019. Yet in places like this people want to argue about how things are all in the past, or some other silly auto response some whites have when people of color speak truth.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve
A new Brennan Center report details vast racial and gender disparities on state supreme courts around the country.
Alicia Bannon, Laila Robbins
July 23, 2019

We spent a year studying the gender and racial makeup of state supreme courts, which are typically the final arbiters on state law. Our new report, State Supreme Court Diversity, paints a bleak picture of the demographic makeup of these powerful courts. It also points to judicial elections as a key inflection point for addressing the racial disparities we found.

Currently, white men are dramatically overrepresented on state supreme court benches. Though white men make up less than a third of the population, they hold a majority of seats on state supreme courts. Meanwhile, though people of color make up nearly 40 percent of the U.S. population, they hold only 15 percent of state supreme court seats.

Twenty-four states currently have an all-white supreme court bench. This includes eight states in which people of color are at least a quarter of the state’s general population. And in states that have at least one justice of color, there are substantial gaps between the diversity in a state’s general population and its high court bench: the percentage of people of color on the bench is higher than their representation in the state’s population in only five states.

Eighteen states have never had a Black justice on their state supreme court. And 13 states have not seated a single justice of color since at least 1960, the earliest year for which we had comprehensive data.

Elections have rarely been a path to the bench for people of color. Since 1960, only 17 justices of color have first reached the bench through an election, comprising 4 percent of initially elected justices. Comparatively, 141 justices of color were initially appointed to the bench since 1960, comprising 12 percent of all initially appointed justices.

Although candidates of color were more likely to have prior judicial experience as challengers to incumbents or as candidates for open seats, they won less often than their white counterparts.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve

Why are you a racist?

 

[flacaltenn]

Before any thinking person lept to racism to explain NUMBERS on State Sup Cts, they might want to understand how MANY different ways of appointment exist in the different states. In about 2/3 of the states the PROCESS IS POLITICAL in one way or another. So -- as the political divide GROWS in this country, the POLITICAL views are usually more important than their skin color... And since IM2 is COUNTNG STATES that have NEVER had or are underrepresented on their Sup Ct by blacks --- POLITICS determine those numbers and fact -- NOT racism...

Start here.

From the Wiki under "State Supreme Cts"...

Selection[edit]
Judges are either appointed, selected through a merit process (with an election thereafter in some cases), or elected. The elections may be through partisan or nonpartisan elections. A nonpartisan election does not mean that the judges run and are selected with no regard to political beliefs. In many cases nonpartisan election merely means the prospective judges' parties are not printed on the ballot. Political contributions to these campaigns may be allowed, including from trade associations and political action committees.[9] The plurality of states (16) follow the Missouri Plan, in which the governor makes an appointment from selection of candidates put forward by a judicial nominating commission. Gubernatorial appointments are typically subject to regular retention elections.

Mode of selection
Partisan election 7 states
Nonpartisan election 15 states
Missouri Plan 16 states
Appointment by governor with collegial body consent 10 states
Elected by state legislature 2 states
Partisan affiliation[edit]
Of the seven states that elect justices in partisan elections, Democrats have a majority in four and Republicans in three. Although Michigan and Ohio have nonpartisan general elections, candidates are nominated by parties; Republicans hold a majority in both states.

In other states with contested elections, ideological leanings may be ascertained from statements, endorsements, and donations. Judges appointed by governors typically share the partisanship or ideology of that governor, but this relationship may be constrained by the makeup of a nominating commission or confirmation body.

 

[IM2]

the idea that so-called "people of color" should unite and vote against a candidate because he's white is pretty racist.

Hey.. The problem there is consistent.. They continually vote against BLACK candidates that are FULLY qualified to serve their districts and elect mushrooms instead... It's political.. Not racist. Don't get all upset about the "racist" nature of black voting... It's not...

Best part is --- then, after they boink the black person with the best qualifications because they're not democrat, the Black activists can accuse the GOP of being racist for not haven't any black seats on the Hill or in the State Houses..

Probably a little of that thing goin on behind the scenes of the statistics of judges...

The most qualified black candidate gets elected. Assuming the black republican is always the most quailed is stupid. Blacks aren't going to vote for a Jessie Lee Peterson or some other black republican running on a platform that is against their best interest.

 

[yidnar]

the last thing we need in this country is Affirmative action or racial Quotas for the judiciary !!! we need the most qualified people on the bench no matter their race.......maybe the real reason why blacks are not judges in those courts is because the court system is not looked well upon by many minorities so they dont apply for those benches in the numbers that coincide with their demographics .

 

[IM2]

Before any thinking person lept to racism to explain NUMBERS on State Sup Cts, they might want to understand how MANY different ways of appointment exist in the different states. In about 2/3 of the states the PROCESS IS POLITICAL in one way or another. So -- as the political divide GROWS in this country, the POLITICAL views are usually more important than their skin color... And since IM2 is COUNTNG STATES that have NEVER had or are underrepresented on their Sup Ct by blacks --- POLITICS determine those numbers and fact -- NOT racism...

Start here.

From the Wiki under "State Supreme Cts"...

Selection[edit]
Judges are either appointed, selected through a merit process (with an election thereafter in some cases), or elected. The elections may be through partisan or nonpartisan elections. A nonpartisan election does not mean that the judges run and are selected with no regard to political beliefs. In many cases nonpartisan election merely means the prospective judges' parties are not printed on the ballot. Political contributions to these campaigns may be allowed, including from trade associations and political action committees.[9] The plurality of states (16) follow the Missouri Plan, in which the governor makes an appointment from selection of candidates put forward by a judicial nominating commission. Gubernatorial appointments are typically subject to regular retention elections.

Mode of selection
Partisan election 7 states
Nonpartisan election 15 states
Missouri Plan 16 states
Appointment by governor with collegial body consent 10 states
Elected by state legislature 2 states
Partisan affiliation[edit]
Of the seven states that elect justices in partisan elections, Democrats have a majority in four and Republicans in three. Although Michigan and Ohio have nonpartisan general elections, candidates are nominated by parties; Republicans hold a majority in both states.

In other states with contested elections, ideological leanings may be ascertained from statements, endorsements, and donations. Judges appointed by governors typically share the partisanship or ideology of that governor, but this relationship may be constrained by the makeup of a nominating commission or confirmation body.

Understand that the people who did this study are very aware of all the different processes. Learn to stop looking for excuses.

So go express your opinion to the people at the Brennan Center. Thinking people do not deny the documented racism in the justice system and the OP is another example of that racism.

 

[IM2]

As of this very second, 24 states have all white supreme courts. 18 state supreme courts have NEVER had a non white justice. In 2019. Yet in places like this people want to argue about how things are all in the past, or some other silly auto response some whites have when people of color speak truth.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve
A new Brennan Center report details vast racial and gender disparities on state supreme courts around the country.
Alicia Bannon, Laila Robbins
July 23, 2019

We spent a year studying the gender and racial makeup of state supreme courts, which are typically the final arbiters on state law. Our new report, State Supreme Court Diversity, paints a bleak picture of the demographic makeup of these powerful courts. It also points to judicial elections as a key inflection point for addressing the racial disparities we found.

Currently, white men are dramatically overrepresented on state supreme court benches. Though white men make up less than a third of the population, they hold a majority of seats on state supreme courts. Meanwhile, though people of color make up nearly 40 percent of the U.S. population, they hold only 15 percent of state supreme court seats.

Twenty-four states currently have an all-white supreme court bench. This includes eight states in which people of color are at least a quarter of the state’s general population. And in states that have at least one justice of color, there are substantial gaps between the diversity in a state’s general population and its high court bench: the percentage of people of color on the bench is higher than their representation in the state’s population in only five states.

Eighteen states have never had a Black justice on their state supreme court. And 13 states have not seated a single justice of color since at least 1960, the earliest year for which we had comprehensive data.

Elections have rarely been a path to the bench for people of color. Since 1960, only 17 justices of color have first reached the bench through an election, comprising 4 percent of initially elected justices. Comparatively, 141 justices of color were initially appointed to the bench since 1960, comprising 12 percent of all initially appointed justices.

Although candidates of color were more likely to have prior judicial experience as challengers to incumbents or as candidates for open seats, they won less often than their white counterparts.

State Supreme Courts Don’t Reflect the Diversity of the Communities They Serve

Why are you a racist?

Why can't you discuss the topic?

 

[IM2]

I remember this little old white lady that used to put out lemonade at a RTD bus stop. This was 1969. She was uber liberal as you can get...Beaten to death by a black male that resented whites. So, truth about that...What was the lesson? Um.. I still don't get it.. 50 years later.

Anecdotal. We can tell the same stories about whites. 400 years of them.

You have gotten a lot of mileage out of that. The problem is that there are white people in this lifetime that have suffered from the same things you have accused others of.

No there are not.

 

[IM2]

Lets stop denying the obvious here. 18 states have never had a person of color on their state supreme court. To think there has not been one person of color that on merit did not qualify EVER is straight up insane.

OK.. Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Idaho, Montana, Utah and which OTHER 12 states that never had black people on their Sup. Cts made this list???

Currently, white men are dramatically overrepresented on state supreme court benches. Though white men make up less than a third of the population, they hold a majority of seats on state supreme courts. Meanwhile, though people of color make up nearly 40 percent of the U.S. population, they hold only 15 percent of state supreme court seats.

Twenty-four states currently have an all-white supreme court bench. This includes eight states in which people of color are at least a quarter of the state’s general population. And in states that have at least one justice of color, there are substantial gaps between the diversity in a state’s general population and its high court bench: the percentage of people of color on the bench is higher than their representation in the state’s population in only five states.

Eighteen states have never had a Black justice on their state supreme court. And 13 states have not seated a single justice of color since at least 1960, the earliest year for which we had comprehensive data.

That's 31 states out of 50. Not all of them are Vermont.

Learn to face the truth.

 

[flacaltenn]

Understand that the people who did this study are very aware of all the different processes. Learn to stop looking for excuses.

They just want to UNDEMOCRATIZE judicial selections in the MAJORITY of states that the Left does not currently control.. You know --- that 85% of the land mass of the USA that is NOT blue????

It's politics dude.. Not racism.. And the left is injuring itself so badly that they need to ATTACK states and people that have NOTHING TO DO with the mounting failures of your party.. You can crap up all the Blue states you want politically -- with overloaded debt, inefficiencies and demented priorities. The other 85% of the country is out of your reach...

 

[flacaltenn]

So go express your opinion to the people at the Brennan Center. Thinking people do not deny the documented racism in the justice system and the OP is another example of that racism.

How many Blacks should be on the Sup Cts of states that HAVE VIRTUALLY NO black citizens?? It's a state issue.. You cannot dictate RACIAL quotas for everything regardless of the FEASIBILITY of implementing them...

 

[flacaltenn]

Currently, white men are dramatically overrepresented on state supreme court benches. Though white men make up less than a third of the population, they hold a majority of seats on state supreme courts. Meanwhile, though people of color make up nearly 40 percent of the U.S. population, they hold only 15 percent of state supreme court seats.

Look at the MAP I posted and the processes quoted by the Wiki.. There is NO REASON to believe that a national standard is required in individual states... And the Brennan quotes you just posted dont' show the OVERREPRESENTATIONS of blacks in any state where they are at or EXCEED the 14% of the population..

And it's sneaky and DEVIOUS to craft a sentence about "white men" and leave out "white women" if this was to be racism and not politics...

It's also devious to bring up Asians and Hispanics without specifically INCLUDING their "people of color" numbers in the various states...

 

[IM2]

Currently, white men are dramatically overrepresented on state supreme court benches. Though white men make up less than a third of the population, they hold a majority of seats on state supreme courts. Meanwhile, though people of color make up nearly 40 percent of the U.S. population, they hold only 15 percent of state supreme court seats.

Look at the MAP I posted and the processes quoted by the Wiki.. There is NO REASON to believe that a national standard is required in individual states... And the Brennan quotes you just posted dont' show the OVERREPRESENTATIONS of blacks in any state where they are at or EXCEED the 14% of the population..

And it's sneaky and DEVIOUS to craft a sentence about "white men" and leave out "white women" if this was to be racism and not politics...

It's also devious to bring up Asians and Hispanics without specifically INCLUDING their "people of color" numbers in the various states...

You're trying every excuse you can. I will not be looking at that wiki stuff whem my information is from The Brennan Center.

Twenty-four states currently have an all-white supreme court bench. This includes eight states in which people of color are at least a quarter of the state’s general population. And in states that have at least one justice of color, there are substantial gaps between the diversity in a state’s general population and its high court bench: the percentage of people of color on the bench is higher than their representation in the state’s population in only five states.

It appears you chose to miss this one. Racism is a political issue and racism is why the court are in this situation. So is sexism.