The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

[M14 Shooter]

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The answer from other countries like Japan and the United Kingdom is clear. Less firearms among the population leads to less firearm deaths among the population.

I would again ask you to demonstrate the necessary relationship between the causes you cite and the effects you claim, but we both know you cannot.

 

[deanrd]

White wingers believe people won’t be safe until they’re allowed to open carry bazookas.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

300 civilians with guns in a Walmart. What could go wrong? They all pull out their weapons when they hear the shots. They see someone else with a weapon and think its the mass shooter and shoot them. You could have a dozen of these cases with that many people. The mass shooter will still kill a few before he gets shot because he has the initiative. You'll still have over 20 people dead, half of them killed by the armed civilians thinking their target was the mass shooter.

What a bunch of false bullshit and fantasy.

What kind of looney-toons cartoon world do you live in?

If a concealed handgun carrier does not initially see the shooter when shots begin, surely he/she will know the direction of the shots, and 99,999 times out of 100,000, the handgun carrier will FIRST try to escape, without pulling the weapon.

Your post is EVIDENCE that you are not living in reality and you buy into the bullshit. You MUST be a commie leftist because you clearly do NOT understand human nature.


In Fact, in Texas, LTC (license to carry) holders are trained to not intervene or act like police in those situations. We're trained to de-escalate, and only pull for SELF defense or defense of family members AFTER attempting to flee or hide. As if that were not enough, the Texas LTC requires an applicant to demonstrate, at the gun range, the ability to use the hand gun with a high level of precision at various ranges in different patterns of fire. The instructor will call out different shot combinations (double tap, three-round bursts, etc.) and distances of up to 45 feet, so any argument that there would be significant collateral damage is also fiction and fear-mongering, at best.

Most of the concealed-carry courses are dedicated to situations where the carrier does NOT pull the weapon.

The LTC course and other training I received is one of the reasons I support MANDATORY training for everyone as a condition for graduating from high school.

So, take your completely unrealistic, bullshit fantasy scenarios and shove them up your ass. You just proved that you're a gun-grabbing cuck without the ability to think for yourself.

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Even the United States military experiences problems with friendly fire and accidents in training missions. I don't care what you think a civilian has learned, they are not professional military or a police officer. The fact is, people panic, and when someone sees a weapon in the hands of another un-identified shooter, how do they know that is NOT the mass shooter. Police and SWAT teams that respond to these mass shootings usually scan potential victims for weapons. They have everyone fleeing the scene with their hands up. The fact that civilians may have weapons complicates and creates problems for POLICE and SWAT teams. One of their objectives is making sure the crime scene is safe and free of weapons and any criminals are captured, detained, or if necessary killed or incapacitated.

Most civilians who own guns are not trained anywhere near that of what someone in the military or police force has been. Large numbers of civilians with guns at a mass shooter scene would just cause accidents and extra deaths.

Country's with stiffer gun control laws have far less deaths from firearms and far less mass shootings. That shows that stricter gun control is the way to go. We want U.S. Firearm deaths to be reduced to the rate of Japan or the United Kingdom or at least get close. To do that, you need to reduce the number guns that are among the population. Gradually over time, strict gun control laws will achieve that.

Your beliefs as screwed up as they are do not dictate my rights

Well, for several other countries its not just a belief, it is the law. Eventually one day, it will likely be the law In the United States and anyone who does not obey the law will be jailed.

America's gun deaths are less than 1% it is not an issue

 

[bigrebnc1775]

White wingers believe people won’t be safe until they’re allowed to open carry bazookas.

Dickhead Dean

 

[M14 Shooter]

Ownership and use of firearms among civilians should be rare and carefully monitored and reduced to just Shotguns and Air Rifles. A civilian does not need anything more than a shotgun or Air Rifle.

A person with a shotgun is more than capable of murdering as many if not more people than a person with a handgun or 'assault weapon' - what rational argument is there for your plan to ban possession of those weapons, but allow shotguns?

 

[Flash]

Then the lying Liberals tell you that all they want is "reasonable gun control" just remember that they are lying to you.

What the filthy ***** is proposing is government confiscation.

WATCH: Gillibrand Is Open To Criminally Prosecuting Gun Owners Who Don’t Hand Over Their ‘Assault Weapons’ To The Government

Presidential candidate Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) revealed on Wednesday she believes that instituting both a mandatory gun buyback program as well as criminally prosecuting American’s who refuse to hand those firearms over to the government are both “strong” ideas.

“On the assault weapons issue, you have talked openly about being in favor of an assault weapons ban. I’m interested if you are supportive of a mandatory buyback program for assault weapons,

“I mean, the whole point is when you make it a crime to own an assault weapon, then if you are found using it, that would be the issue.”

 

[M14 Shooter]

White wingers believe people won’t be safe until they’re allowed to open carry bazookas.

Said no rational, reasoned person, ever.

 

[dannyboys]

300 civilians with guns in a Walmart. What could go wrong? They all pull out their weapons when they hear the shots. They see someone else with a weapon and think its the mass shooter and shoot them. You could have a dozen of these cases with that many people. The mass shooter will still kill a few before he gets shot because he has the initiative. You'll still have over 20 people dead, half of them killed by the armed civilians thinking their target was the mass shooter.

What a bunch of false bullshit and fantasy.

What kind of looney-toons cartoon world do you live in?

If a concealed handgun carrier does not initially see the shooter when shots begin, surely he/she will know the direction of the shots, and 99,999 times out of 100,000, the handgun carrier will FIRST try to escape, without pulling the weapon.

Your post is EVIDENCE that you are not living in reality and you buy into the bullshit. You MUST be a commie leftist because you clearly do NOT understand human nature.


In Fact, in Texas, LTC (license to carry) holders are trained to not intervene or act like police in those situations. We're trained to de-escalate, and only pull for SELF defense or defense of family members AFTER attempting to flee or hide. As if that were not enough, the Texas LTC requires an applicant to demonstrate, at the gun range, the ability to use the hand gun with a high level of precision at various ranges in different patterns of fire. The instructor will call out different shot combinations (double tap, three-round bursts, etc.) and distances of up to 45 feet, so any argument that there would be significant collateral damage is also fiction and fear-mongering, at best.

Most of the concealed-carry courses are dedicated to situations where the carrier does NOT pull the weapon.

The LTC course and other training I received is one of the reasons I support MANDATORY training for everyone as a condition for graduating from high school.

So, take your completely unrealistic, bullshit fantasy scenarios and shove them up your ass. You just proved that you're a gun-grabbing cuck without the ability to think for yourself.

.

Even the United States military experiences problems with friendly fire and accidents in training missions. I don't care what you think a civilian has learned, they are not professional military or a police officer. The fact is, people panic, and when someone sees a weapon in the hands of another un-identified shooter, how do they know that is NOT the mass shooter. Police and SWAT teams that respond to these mass shootings usually scan potential victims for weapons. They have everyone fleeing the scene with their hands up. The fact that civilians may have weapons complicates and creates problems for POLICE and SWAT teams. One of their objectives is making sure the crime scene is safe and free of weapons and any criminals are captured, detained, or if necessary killed or incapacitated.

Most civilians who own guns are not trained anywhere near that of what someone in the military or police force has been. Large numbers of civilians with guns at a mass shooter scene would just cause accidents and extra deaths.

Country's with stiffer gun control laws have far less deaths from firearms and far less mass shootings. That shows that stricter gun control is the way to go. We want U.S. Firearm deaths to be reduced to the rate of Japan or the United Kingdom or at least get close. To do that, you need to reduce the number guns that are among the population. Gradually over time, strict gun control laws will achieve that.

So you believe how Japan treats people caught with illegal guns should be duplicated in the US?
Sounds like a great idea.
That will 100 guarantee 95% on the 'young negro men' in the inner cities will be locked up.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

01. Attend three month class on firearms

It does not take three months to learn firearm safety. It takes half a day.

This class is far more than just firearm safety. If a civilian is to be as knowledgeable and well trained as those in the military and police force on things pertaining to firearms, then the extra time is well deserved. Just as important, it will deter many civilians from getting a gun since many will not want to take a 3 month class on firearms. This serves the objective of reducing the number of firearms among the civilian population.

Your measures are therefore being proposed in bad faith; you’re not interested in public safety but instead of placing an undue – and un-Constitutional – burden on the Second Amendment right.

Indeed, United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit recently struck down as un-Constitutional a District measure requiring gunowners to pass a test in order to register a firearm (“Heller II”).

Clearly a three-month ‘class’ would likewise fail to pass Constitutional muster.

Anything in the constitution can be amended. The mechanism to do that was given to us by the founding fathers. The 2nd amendment can be re-written or eliminated from the constitution if need be and lawmakers have the votes.

I want to see the United States achieve a firearm death rate similar to Japan or the United Kingdom. That is the objective. It would say tens of thousands of lives every year. Ownership and use of firearms among civilians should be rare and carefully monitored and reduced to just Shotguns and Air Rifles. A civilian does not need anything more than a shotgun or Air Rifle.

The second will never be amended

 

[U2Edge]

Ownership and use of firearms among civilians should be rare and carefully monitored and reduced to just Shotguns and Air Rifles. A civilian does not need anything more than a shotgun or Air Rifle.

A person with a shotgun is more than capable of murdering as many if not more people than a person with a handgun or 'assault weapon' - what rational argument is there for your plan to ban possession of those weapons, but allow shotguns?

Shotguns require you to reload after every two shots and the lethal range is rather short.

Of the 27 most deadly mass shootings in the United States, there were only six where a shotgun was brought to the scene by the shooter. Plus, even in those six instances, most of the casualties were caused by other firearms.

The Virginia Tech shooter showed the damage of a handgun. With 15 round clips, he was able to kill 30 people and injure 26 others in less than 10 minutes. Had only been armed with a shotgun, he likely would have been disarmed the during the reloading process preventing the deaths of most people that happened.

 

[U2Edge]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

Why don't you have your little list printed and then you can go into every inner city negro run/populated DEM shithole in the country and go door to door handing them out out?
Better let your next of kin know where to send your belongings.
Adding more and more restrictions on law abiding gun owners is going to guarantee more REP Presidents.

Sorry, but demographics are changing. The culture of the nation is changing. In 1977, 50% of U.S. households had a gun in the house. In 2014, only 31% had a gun in the house. Gun ownership is going down and so is support for the NRA and pro-gun laws.

Motorcycle ownership and smoking are also declining. The generation born since the year 2000 is the most anti-gun generation in history! They are the future and they will change America when it comes to guns.

 

[Rustic]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

Why don't you have your little list printed and then you can go into every inner city negro run/populated DEM shithole in the country and go door to door handing them out out?
Better let your next of kin know where to send your belongings.
Adding more and more restrictions on law abiding gun owners is going to guarantee more REP Presidents.

Sorry, but demographics are changing. The culture of the nation is changing. In 1977, 50% of U.S. households had a gun in the house. In 2014, only 31% had a gun in the house. Gun ownership is going down and so is support for the NRA and pro-gun laws.

Motorcycle ownership and smoking are also declining. The generation born since the year 2000 is the most anti-gun generation in history! They are the future and they will change America when it comes to guns.

Yes in urban America, But in rural America firearm ownership is increasing...
That’s were the vast majority of firearms are owned... The reason for no significant violence.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Ownership and use of firearms among civilians should be rare and carefully monitored and reduced to just Shotguns and Air Rifles. A civilian does not need anything more than a shotgun or Air Rifle.

A person with a shotgun is more than capable of murdering as many if not more people than a person with a handgun or 'assault weapon' - what rational argument is there for your plan to ban possession of those weapons, but allow shotguns?

Shotguns require you to reload after every two shots and the lethal range is rather short.

Of the 27 most deadly mass shootings in the United States, there were only six where a shotgun was brought to the scene by the shooter. Plus, even in those six instances, most of the casualties were caused by other firearms.

The Virginia Tech shooter showed the damage of a handgun. With 15 round clips, he was able to kill 30 people and injure 26 others in less than 10 minutes. Had only been armed with a shotgun, he likely would have been disarmed the during the reloading process preventing the deaths of most people that happened.

Ignorance prevails in this post. Dude a pump shotgun can load as many as 6 shells and if you add an extension depending on the model three more shells. and it MAGAZINE not CLIP.

 

[U2Edge]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

Why don't you have your little list printed and then you can go into every inner city negro run/populated DEM shithole in the country and go door to door handing them out out?
Better let your next of kin know where to send your belongings.
Adding more and more restrictions on law abiding gun owners is going to guarantee more REP Presidents.

Sorry, but demographics are changing. The culture of the nation is changing. In 1977, 50% of U.S. households had a gun in the house. In 2014, only 31% had a gun in the house. Gun ownership is going down and so is support for the NRA and pro-gun laws.

Motorcycle ownership and smoking are also declining. The generation born since the year 2000 is the most anti-gun generation in history! They are the future and they will change America when it comes to guns.

Yes in urban America, But in rural America firearm ownership is increasing...
That’s were the vast majority of firearms are owned... The reason for no significant violence.

But rural population is in decline. Crime is minimal in rural areas because most people don't live there, not because of gun ownership.

 

[Uncensored2008]

How about a law that says you must have an IQ of 60 or greater before starting a thread like this?

Are you trying to silence Faun , deanrd , and Golfing Gator

 

[Rustic]

The Gun Control Laws The United States Needs

In order to purchase a firearm, an individual must do the following:

01. Attend three month class on firearms

02. Pass a written test when the class has been completed

03. Achieve at least 95% accuracy during a shooting-range test

04. Pass a Mental Health evaluation at a hospital

05. Pass a background check in which the government digs into their criminal record

06. Pass a background check involving interviews with friends and family

07. Only shotguns and Air Rifles may be purchased, no handguns

08. New magazines can only be purchased by trading in empty ones

09. When a gun owner dies, their relatives must surrender the deceased members firearms

10. Every three years, the individual must pass the above tests and investigations

Why don't you have your little list printed and then you can go into every inner city negro run/populated DEM shithole in the country and go door to door handing them out out?
Better let your next of kin know where to send your belongings.
Adding more and more restrictions on law abiding gun owners is going to guarantee more REP Presidents.

Sorry, but demographics are changing. The culture of the nation is changing. In 1977, 50% of U.S. households had a gun in the house. In 2014, only 31% had a gun in the house. Gun ownership is going down and so is support for the NRA and pro-gun laws.

Motorcycle ownership and smoking are also declining. The generation born since the year 2000 is the most anti-gun generation in history! They are the future and they will change America when it comes to guns.

Yes in urban America, But in rural America firearm ownership is increasing...
That’s were the vast majority of firearms are owned... The reason for no significant violence.

But rural population is in decline. Crime is minimal in rural areas because most people don't live there, not because of gun ownership.

You say firearms cause more violence, Well, firearms outnumber people many, many times over in rural America. And violence keeps on going down with the increase of firearm ownership.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The idea is to restrict and limit firearm use among civilians. You don't want to give weapons of mass destruction to just anyone. So, yes, having to get a 95% accuracy on the test is a good way to achieve that. Such an accurate shooter is less likely to cause an accident.

In that case, go blow a goat - scumbag.

Small arms <> "weapons of mass destruction," Herr Himmler - hyperbole much?

 

[U2Edge]

Ownership and use of firearms among civilians should be rare and carefully monitored and reduced to just Shotguns and Air Rifles. A civilian does not need anything more than a shotgun or Air Rifle.

A person with a shotgun is more than capable of murdering as many if not more people than a person with a handgun or 'assault weapon' - what rational argument is there for your plan to ban possession of those weapons, but allow shotguns?

Shotguns require you to reload after every two shots and the lethal range is rather short.

Of the 27 most deadly mass shootings in the United States, there were only six where a shotgun was brought to the scene by the shooter. Plus, even in those six instances, most of the casualties were caused by other firearms.

The Virginia Tech shooter showed the damage of a handgun. With 15 round clips, he was able to kill 30 people and injure 26 others in less than 10 minutes. Had only been armed with a shotgun, he likely would have been disarmed the during the reloading process preventing the deaths of most people that happened.

Ignorance prevails in this post. Dude a pump shotgun can load as many as 6 shells and if you add an extension depending on the model three more shells. and it MAGAZINE not CLIP.

Well, then its not a shotgun that will be allowed under my gun control plan. Civilians don't need a shotgun that can be loaded with 6 shells. Two is more than enough. Were talking about civilians here, not the military or police force. Civilians don't need anything more than a shotgun(two shells loaded max) or an Air Rifle.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Ignorance prevails in this post. Dude a pump shotgun can load as many as 6 shells and if you add an extension depending on the model three more shells. and it MAGAZINE not CLIP.

Fastest continuous shooting I've ever seen was an old man with a break action, single shot 20 gauge shotgun at the Skeet (not trap) course. The guy was like a machine. Shells in a pouch, a couple in his hand, he put 80 rounds a minute through that thing.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Ignorance prevails in this post. Dude a pump shotgun can load as many as 6 shells and if you add an extension depending on the model three more shells. and it MAGAZINE not CLIP.

Fastest continuous shooting I've ever seen was an old man with a break action, single shot 20 gauge shotgun at the Skeet (not trap) course. The guy was like a machine. Shells in a pouch, a couple in his hand, he put 80 rounds a minute through that thing.

That's fast BTW I was making a correction to an assumption U2 had made.