The Flint Water Crisis: An insight into Republicanism.

[tinydancer]

It's not the switch. They fucked up on how the water was treated. Or lack of treatment.

And the bloody EPA knew the people of Flint were drinking toxic water. Outrageous. Why wasn't the woman in charge freaking fired instead of allowing her to resign.

This is madness.

And this op ed is spot on the money.

'The EPA is been a hotbed of incompetence, corruption, partisanship, waste and fraud for years now and not a single person is made to stand against the wheel. If people want to hold Governor Rick Snyder accountable for this fiasco, fine. It happened on his watch.

But Gina McCarthy’s neck needs to be stretched out on the block right next to his.'

This woman McCarthy actually had the nerve to come out and claim the EPA did their job. Wow just wow.

If the EPA “did their job” in Flint, why did their regional administrator just resign?

I'm confused.... since when did the duty of providing water, change from being a local issue, to magically being the responsibility of the EPA?

Why are we constantly trying to find someone else to take responsibilities for our own problems?

The EPA is responsible for not stepping up to the plate when they first knew of the lead levels that were breaking all the EPA rules. It's just not being irresponsible.

It's freaking criminal that they allowed those good people in Flint to continue to drink toxic waste.

Heads should be rolling at all levels of the EPA to have allowed this to continue. By the way, that is the EPA'S freaking job.

 

[tinydancer]

Why are we constantly trying to find someone else to take responsibilities for our own problems?

It is called learned behaviour. Brought to us by Republicans. Have you EVER seen a Republican take responsibility for their actions? I havent. (at least since Nixon)

Matter of fact, the avoidance of taking responsibility is the defining characteristic of the Republican party.

Dems in Michigan tried to blame Snyder for Detroit's bankruptcy. Hell's bells buddy you have your R's and D's in reverse here. By the way Snyder has said the buck stops here. But no one else has stepped up to the plate. The ***** at the local EPA was allowed to resign. I want to see her in an orange jumpsuit with silver bracelets on because her agencies lack of action is criminal.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Even though we know the local officials had little or no part in this imbroglio,, the state task force still tries to drag them into it knowing full well that when they use the term "local levels" they are referring to the deeds of the EM,not the mayor or city council, They just hope the average reader wouldn't know that!

Republicans HAtE the EPA. At least till they can blame the EPA.

Can you imagine the outpouring of righteous indignation If the EPA had really gone after the Republican leadership of the state for not taking actions more quickly.

there would have been 10 Congressional investagations of the EPA and what they thought they were doing in MI.

And of course the Repubs have worked hard to defund and defang the EPA. As a result the EPA ends up attracting the weakest leadership and you end up with situations like this.

 

[Andylusion]

Why are we constantly trying to find someone else to take responsibilities for our own problems?

It is called learned behaviour. Brought to us by Republicans. Have you EVER seen a Republican take responsibility for their actions? I havent. (at least since Nixon)

Matter of fact, the avoidance of taking responsibility is the defining characteristic of the Republican party.

This coming from the party of "vast-right-wing-conspiracy" "what difference does it make?" and "I did not have sex with that woman".

All you did there was add hypocrisy to your resume of blame shifting.

 

[Andylusion]

Even though we know the local officials had little or no part in this imbroglio,, the state task force still tries to drag them into it knowing full well that when they use the term "local levels" they are referring to the deeds of the EM,not the mayor or city council, They just hope the average reader wouldn't know that!

Republicans HAtE the EPA. At least till they can blame the EPA.

Can you imagine the outpouring of righteous indignation If the EPA had really gone after the Republican leadership of the state for not taking actions more quickly.

there would have been 10 Congressional investagations of the EPA and what they thought they were doing in MI.

And of course the Repubs have worked hard to defund and defang the EPA. As a result the EPA ends up attracting the weakest leadership and you end up with situations like this.

You people... hypocrisy non-stop. First you claim the entire fiscal crisis is made up. Now you blame Republicans for not coming in and saving everything.

Every single post, you confirm the truth of what I've been saying about you people for decades. Left-ism, is the politics of childishness. Bunch babies on the left wing.

"You meanies are just making up that we have money problems! It's all a lie! It's a vast right-wing conspiracy! Wah!"

water problems hit

"You meanies didn't save us! You didn't fix the problems we caused! It's a vast right-wing conspiracy! WAH!"

Entire political party built around the intellectual perspective of a 4-year-old.

 

[JQPublic1]

Andy you have studied corporate profits since the Bush era ended. Right? You know major corps have made a ton of money. Right?

How could that be with all the nasty things you say Dems have done to corporations?

The same idiot Republicans who see corporations are making record profits and the CEO's pay has gone up 1000% while the average workers pay isn't keeping up with inflation.

But then these Republicans will blame Obama for workers only making $8 to $15 hr. But wait a minute! They don't want the worker to make more than that.

But they do want to point to their low wages and say, "see, you're doing worse now under Obama".

Republicans Responsible for Shipping American Jobs Overseas and Outsourcing

Republicans want people to make more money.
That is why they are getting our low income children out of the ghetto schools and into better performing schools.
Since the voucher system, many more children are graduating High School and going on to colleges.

Both parties are to blame for jobs going overseas.

Republicans DO NOT want people to make more money. The majority of workers in this country are ditch diggers, landscapers, housekeeping, factory rats, McD workers and Walmart workers.

These people use to make a lot of money because manufacturing was huge in America and those jobs were unionized/organized. Those jobs are gone now and the GOP does not want McC or Walmart workers to make more nor do they want those factory workers who make $15 hr. to make more. Don't lie.

I can agree with a lot of what you say but not if you are not being honest with me.

Those jobs will also never return because American workers are more expensive than the machines that replace them.

(Wellll, I don't knooowwwwww ~Ronald Reagan}

That may be true, but Machines don't buy the stuff that is being made. What is the point in using machines to manufacture things when no one has a job because of automation and can't buy the product?

 

[peach174]

Andy you have studied corporate profits since the Bush era ended. Right? You know major corps have made a ton of money. Right?

How could that be with all the nasty things you say Dems have done to corporations?

The same idiot Republicans who see corporations are making record profits and the CEO's pay has gone up 1000% while the average workers pay isn't keeping up with inflation.

But then these Republicans will blame Obama for workers only making $8 to $15 hr. But wait a minute! They don't want the worker to make more than that.

But they do want to point to their low wages and say, "see, you're doing worse now under Obama".

Republicans Responsible for Shipping American Jobs Overseas and Outsourcing

Republicans want people to make more money.
That is why they are getting our low income children out of the ghetto schools and into better performing schools.
Since the voucher system, many more children are graduating High School and going on to colleges.

Both parties are to blame for jobs going overseas.

Republicans DO NOT want people to make more money. The majority of workers in this country are ditch diggers, landscapers, housekeeping, factory rats, McD workers and Walmart workers.

These people use to make a lot of money because manufacturing was huge in America and those jobs were unionized/organized. Those jobs are gone now and the GOP does not want McC or Walmart workers to make more nor do they want those factory workers who make $15 hr. to make more. Don't lie.

I can agree with a lot of what you say but not if you are not being honest with me.

Those jobs will also never return because American workers are more expensive than the machines that replace them.

(Wellll, I don't knooowwwwww ~Ronald Reagan}

That may be true, but Machines don't buy the stuff that is being made. What is the point in using machines to manufacture things when no one has a job because of automation and can't buy the product?

People need to keep that automation smooth and running correctly, plus they need to make the parts and things for all of that.

 

[JQPublic1]

Even though we know the local officials had little or no part in this imbroglio,, the state task force still tries to drag them into it knowing full well that when they use the term "local levels" they are referring to the deeds of the EM,not the mayor or city council, They just hope the average reader wouldn't know that!

Republicans HAtE the EPA. At least till they can blame the EPA.

Can you imagine the outpouring of righteous indignation If the EPA had really gone after the Republican leadership of the state for not taking actions more quickly.

there would have been 10 Congressional investagations of the EPA and what they thought they were doing in MI.

And of course the Repubs have worked hard to defund and defang the EPA. As a result the EPA ends up attracting the weakest leadership and you end up with situations like this.

You people... hypocrisy non-stop. First you claim the entire fiscal crisis is made up. Now you blame Republicans for not coming in and saving everything.

Every single post, you confirm the truth of what I've been saying about you people for decades. Left-ism, is the politics of childishness. Bunch babies on the left wing.

"You meanies are just making up that we have money problems! It's all a lie! It's a vast right-wing conspiracy! Wah!"

water problems hit

"You meanies didn't save us! You didn't fix the problems we caused! It's a vast right-wing conspiracy! WAH!"

Entire political party built around the intellectual perspective of a 4-year-old.

Er...are you in the wrong conversation or something? Your talking points don't seem to jibe with ours here.

 

[peach174]

Even though we know the local officials had little or no part in this imbroglio,, the state task force still tries to drag them into it knowing full well that when they use the term "local levels" they are referring to the deeds of the EM,not the mayor or city council, They just hope the average reader wouldn't know that!

Republicans HAtE the EPA. At least till they can blame the EPA.

Can you imagine the outpouring of righteous indignation If the EPA had really gone after the Republican leadership of the state for not taking actions more quickly.

there would have been 10 Congressional investagations of the EPA and what they thought they were doing in MI.

And of course the Repubs have worked hard to defund and defang the EPA. As a result the EPA ends up attracting the weakest leadership and you end up with situations like this.

EPA is the Republicans.
If Nixon could create it, then they have to right to defang and defund it.

 

[JQPublic1]

The same idiot Republicans who see corporations are making record profits and the CEO's pay has gone up 1000% while the average workers pay isn't keeping up with inflation.

But then these Republicans will blame Obama for workers only making $8 to $15 hr. But wait a minute! They don't want the worker to make more than that.

But they do want to point to their low wages and say, "see, you're doing worse now under Obama".

Republicans Responsible for Shipping American Jobs Overseas and Outsourcing

Republicans want people to make more money.
That is why they are getting our low income children out of the ghetto schools and into better performing schools.
Since the voucher system, many more children are graduating High School and going on to colleges.

Both parties are to blame for jobs going overseas.

Republicans DO NOT want people to make more money. The majority of workers in this country are ditch diggers, landscapers, housekeeping, factory rats, McD workers and Walmart workers.

These people use to make a lot of money because manufacturing was huge in America and those jobs were unionized/organized. Those jobs are gone now and the GOP does not want McC or Walmart workers to make more nor do they want those factory workers who make $15 hr. to make more. Don't lie.

I can agree with a lot of what you say but not if you are not being honest with me.

Those jobs will also never return because American workers are more expensive than the machines that replace them.

(Wellll, I don't knooowwwwww ~Ronald Reagan}

That may be true, but Machines don't buy the stuff that is being made. What is the point in using machines to manufacture things when no one has a job because of automation and can't buy the product?

People need to keep that automation smooth and running correctly, plus they need to make the parts and things for all of that.

And how long will it be before machines replicate and repair themselves? Some computers are powerful enough to do that now with proper programming.

But more on point. All it would take to run an entire automated operation is one or two technicians. Physical labor would become cheaper than it is now and millions would be out of work indefinitely; their jobs taken over by machines.

 

[peach174]

It's not the switch. They fucked up on how the water was treated. Or lack of treatment.

And the bloody EPA knew the people of Flint were drinking toxic water. Outrageous. Why wasn't the woman in charge freaking fired instead of allowing her to resign.

This is madness.

And this op ed is spot on the money.

'The EPA is been a hotbed of incompetence, corruption, partisanship, waste and fraud for years now and not a single person is made to stand against the wheel. If people want to hold Governor Rick Snyder accountable for this fiasco, fine. It happened on his watch.

But Gina McCarthy’s neck needs to be stretched out on the block right next to his.'

This woman McCarthy actually had the nerve to come out and claim the EPA did their job. Wow just wow.

If the EPA “did their job” in Flint, why did their regional administrator just resign?

That "Hot Air article seems to live up to it's namesake.The narrative is written in such a way as to suggest to the reader that The EPA alone knew that the FR water was untreated and that no state agencies knew at the same time. I will clear that up right now. Using links from the Hot Air article to trace their sources,I discovered the rest of the story in a more objective light.

The EPA wasn't "keeping the knowledge to themselves."

the EPA spent months quietly warning state regulators of the lack of corrosion controls for Flint’s water supplies. The EPA told the state it needed to use chemical treatments to prevent lead lines and plumbing from getting into Flint’s drinking water, but the agency did nothing to publicize its concerns over the city’s water despite the state’s refusal to control against lead poisoning.

Read more: EPA Says It ‘Did Its Job’ Despite Not Telling Flint Its Water Was Contaminated

The region 5 EPA official resigned because she wasn't forceful enough; and, that proved to be deadly for the citizens of Flint. But in essence she DID attempt to do her job by trying to get State officials to abide by federal regulations. She was ignored because of her timidity and because she just didn't know what to do.

Here is her train of thought in that regard:

The Detroit News reported that EPA Region 5 Administrator Susan Hedman said “she sought a legal opinion on whether the EPA could force action, but it wasn’t completed until November.”



Read more: EPA Says It ‘Did Its Job’ Despite Not Telling Flint Its Water Was Contaminated


But here is some real substance that points directly at the real devils in this fiasco:

“We believe the primary responsibility for what happened in Flint rests with the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (MDEQ),” the state task force wrote to Snyder in December.

“Although many individuals and entities at state and local levels contributed to creating and prolonging the problem, MDEQ is the government agency that has responsibility to ensure safe drinking water in Michigan,” the task force wrote. “It failed in that responsibility and must be held accountable for that failure.”


Read more: EPA Says It ‘Did Its Job’ Despite Not Telling Flint Its Water Was Contaminated

Even though we know the local officials had little or no part in this imbroglio,, the state task force still tries to drag them into it knowing full well that when they use the term "local levels" they are referring to the deeds of the EM,not the mayor or city council, They just hope the average reader wouldn't know that!

JQ
The fact is, that is was the local city government which made that decision and voted on it, before the EM was appointed.

 

[JQPublic1]

Why are we constantly trying to find someone else to take responsibilities for our own problems?

It is called learned behaviour. Brought to us by Republicans. Have you EVER seen a Republican take responsibility for their actions? I havent. (at least since Nixon)

Matter of fact, the avoidance of taking responsibility is the defining characteristic of the Republican party.

Dems in Michigan tried to blame Snyder for Detroit's bankruptcy. Hell's bells buddy you have your R's and D's in reverse here. By the way Snyder has said the buck stops here. But no one else has stepped up to the plate. The ***** at the local EPA was allowed to resign. I want to see her in an orange jumpsuit with silver bracelets on because her agencies lack of action is criminal.

Add the head of MDEQ to that list, he/she owns even MORE culpability than the EPA does. These were the guys who were stonewalling, lying and being complete assholes towards the EPA, the Virginia Tech heroes, and anyone who dared to question their flawed test results or lack thereof.

 

[peach174]

Republicans want people to make more money.
That is why they are getting our low income children out of the ghetto schools and into better performing schools.
Since the voucher system, many more children are graduating High School and going on to colleges.

Both parties are to blame for jobs going overseas.

Republicans DO NOT want people to make more money. The majority of workers in this country are ditch diggers, landscapers, housekeeping, factory rats, McD workers and Walmart workers.

These people use to make a lot of money because manufacturing was huge in America and those jobs were unionized/organized. Those jobs are gone now and the GOP does not want McC or Walmart workers to make more nor do they want those factory workers who make $15 hr. to make more. Don't lie.

I can agree with a lot of what you say but not if you are not being honest with me.

Those jobs will also never return because American workers are more expensive than the machines that replace them.

(Wellll, I don't knooowwwwww ~Ronald Reagan}

That may be true, but Machines don't buy the stuff that is being made. What is the point in using machines to manufacture things when no one has a job because of automation and can't buy the product?

People need to keep that automation smooth and running correctly, plus they need to make the parts and things for all of that.

And how long will it be before machines replicate and repair themselves? Some computers are powerful enough to do that now with proper programming.

But more on point. All it would take to run an entire automated operation is one or two technicians. Physical labor would become cheaper than it is now and millions would be out of work indefinitely; their jobs taken over by machines.

Something will come along where they will have jobs
Anytime we ever have had new technology it is always said that because of this or that new tech people will be out of a job. Yet they are still working.
They will always have a job of some kind or other.

 

[JQPublic1]

It's not the switch. They fucked up on how the water was treated. Or lack of treatment.

And the bloody EPA knew the people of Flint were drinking toxic water. Outrageous. Why wasn't the woman in charge freaking fired instead of allowing her to resign.

This is madness.

And this op ed is spot on the money.

'The EPA is been a hotbed of incompetence, corruption, partisanship, waste and fraud for years now and not a single person is made to stand against the wheel. If people want to hold Governor Rick Snyder accountable for this fiasco, fine. It happened on his watch.

But Gina McCarthy’s neck needs to be stretched out on the block right next to his.'

This woman McCarthy actually had the nerve to come out and claim the EPA did their job. Wow just wow.

If the EPA “did their job” in Flint, why did their regional administrator just resign?

That "Hot Air article seems to live up to it's namesake.The narrative is written in such a way as to suggest to the reader that The EPA alone knew that the FR water was untreated and that no state agencies knew at the same time. I will clear that up right now. Using links from the Hot Air article to trace their sources,I discovered the rest of the story in a more objective light.

The EPA wasn't "keeping the knowledge to themselves."

the EPA spent months quietly warning state regulators of the lack of corrosion controls for Flint’s water supplies. The EPA told the state it needed to use chemical treatments to prevent lead lines and plumbing from getting into Flint’s drinking water, but the agency did nothing to publicize its concerns over the city’s water despite the state’s refusal to control against lead poisoning.

Read more: EPA Says It ‘Did Its Job’ Despite Not Telling Flint Its Water Was Contaminated

The region 5 EPA official resigned because she wasn't forceful enough; and, that proved to be deadly for the citizens of Flint. But in essence she DID attempt to do her job by trying to get State officials to abide by federal regulations. She was ignored because of her timidity and because she just didn't know what to do.

Here is her train of thought in that regard:

The Detroit News reported that EPA Region 5 Administrator Susan Hedman said “she sought a legal opinion on whether the EPA could force action, but it wasn’t completed until November.”



Read more: EPA Says It ‘Did Its Job’ Despite Not Telling Flint Its Water Was Contaminated


But here is some real substance that points directly at the real devils in this fiasco:

“We believe the primary responsibility for what happened in Flint rests with the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (MDEQ),” the state task force wrote to Snyder in December.

“Although many individuals and entities at state and local levels contributed to creating and prolonging the problem, MDEQ is the government agency that has responsibility to ensure safe drinking water in Michigan,” the task force wrote. “It failed in that responsibility and must be held accountable for that failure.”


Read more: EPA Says It ‘Did Its Job’ Despite Not Telling Flint Its Water Was Contaminated

Even though we know the local officials had little or no part in this imbroglio,, the state task force still tries to drag them into it knowing full well that when they use the term "local levels" they are referring to the deeds of the EM,not the mayor or city council, They just hope the average reader wouldn't know that!

JQ
The fact is, that is was the local city government which made that decision and voted on it, before the EM was appointed.

No Peach, that has been thoroughly debunked. That is why I made the statement above...to illustrate that point. I have provided links several times to support my premise... if I have time I will post the perm a link...but I am hoping you will take the initiative to do your own search for it.

 

[peach174]

It's not the switch. They fucked up on how the water was treated. Or lack of treatment.

And the bloody EPA knew the people of Flint were drinking toxic water. Outrageous. Why wasn't the woman in charge freaking fired instead of allowing her to resign.

This is madness.

And this op ed is spot on the money.

'The EPA is been a hotbed of incompetence, corruption, partisanship, waste and fraud for years now and not a single person is made to stand against the wheel. If people want to hold Governor Rick Snyder accountable for this fiasco, fine. It happened on his watch.

But Gina McCarthy’s neck needs to be stretched out on the block right next to his.'

This woman McCarthy actually had the nerve to come out and claim the EPA did their job. Wow just wow.

If the EPA “did their job” in Flint, why did their regional administrator just resign?

That "Hot Air article seems to live up to it's namesake.The narrative is written in such a way as to suggest to the reader that The EPA alone knew that the FR water was untreated and that no state agencies knew at the same time. I will clear that up right now. Using links from the Hot Air article to trace their sources,I discovered the rest of the story in a more objective light.

The EPA wasn't "keeping the knowledge to themselves."

the EPA spent months quietly warning state regulators of the lack of corrosion controls for Flint’s water supplies. The EPA told the state it needed to use chemical treatments to prevent lead lines and plumbing from getting into Flint’s drinking water, but the agency did nothing to publicize its concerns over the city’s water despite the state’s refusal to control against lead poisoning.

Read more: EPA Says It ‘Did Its Job’ Despite Not Telling Flint Its Water Was Contaminated

The region 5 EPA official resigned because she wasn't forceful enough; and, that proved to be deadly for the citizens of Flint. But in essence she DID attempt to do her job by trying to get State officials to abide by federal regulations. She was ignored because of her timidity and because she just didn't know what to do.

Here is her train of thought in that regard:

The Detroit News reported that EPA Region 5 Administrator Susan Hedman said “she sought a legal opinion on whether the EPA could force action, but it wasn’t completed until November.”



Read more: EPA Says It ‘Did Its Job’ Despite Not Telling Flint Its Water Was Contaminated


But here is some real substance that points directly at the real devils in this fiasco:

“We believe the primary responsibility for what happened in Flint rests with the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality (MDEQ),” the state task force wrote to Snyder in December.

“Although many individuals and entities at state and local levels contributed to creating and prolonging the problem, MDEQ is the government agency that has responsibility to ensure safe drinking water in Michigan,” the task force wrote. “It failed in that responsibility and must be held accountable for that failure.”


Read more: EPA Says It ‘Did Its Job’ Despite Not Telling Flint Its Water Was Contaminated

Even though we know the local officials had little or no part in this imbroglio,, the state task force still tries to drag them into it knowing full well that when they use the term "local levels" they are referring to the deeds of the EM,not the mayor or city council, They just hope the average reader wouldn't know that!

JQ
The fact is, that is was the local city government which made that decision and voted on it, before the EM was appointed.

No Peach, that has been thoroughly debunked. That is why I made the statement above...to illustrate that point. I have provided oinks several times to support my premise... if I have time I will post the perm a link...but I am hoping you will take the initiative to do your own search for it.

I saw the video of the EM and that is what he said. No making of that up, so no it was not debunked.

 

[hadit]

Andy you have studied corporate profits since the Bush era ended. Right? You know major corps have made a ton of money. Right?

How could that be with all the nasty things you say Dems have done to corporations?

The same idiot Republicans who see corporations are making record profits and the CEO's pay has gone up 1000% while the average workers pay isn't keeping up with inflation.

But then these Republicans will blame Obama for workers only making $8 to $15 hr. But wait a minute! They don't want the worker to make more than that.

But they do want to point to their low wages and say, "see, you're doing worse now under Obama".

Republicans Responsible for Shipping American Jobs Overseas and Outsourcing

Republicans want people to make more money.
That is why they are getting our low income children out of the ghetto schools and into better performing schools.
Since the voucher system, many more children are graduating High School and going on to colleges.

Both parties are to blame for jobs going overseas.

Republicans DO NOT want people to make more money. The majority of workers in this country are ditch diggers, landscapers, housekeeping, factory rats, McD workers and Walmart workers.

These people use to make a lot of money because manufacturing was huge in America and those jobs were unionized/organized. Those jobs are gone now and the GOP does not want McC or Walmart workers to make more nor do they want those factory workers who make $15 hr. to make more. Don't lie.

I can agree with a lot of what you say but not if you are not being honest with me.

Those jobs will also never return because American workers are more expensive than the machines that replace them.

(Wellll, I don't knooowwwwww ~Ronald Reagan}

That may be true, but Machines don't buy the stuff that is being made. What is the point in using machines to manufacture things when no one has a job because of automation and can't buy the product?

The point is they are cheaper than people and they make a better product. Think of it, we have no need for thousands of men to work an auto assembly line any more. A relative handful are needed to monitor the robots that actually do the assembling.

 

[hadit]

The same idiot Republicans who see corporations are making record profits and the CEO's pay has gone up 1000% while the average workers pay isn't keeping up with inflation.

But then these Republicans will blame Obama for workers only making $8 to $15 hr. But wait a minute! They don't want the worker to make more than that.

But they do want to point to their low wages and say, "see, you're doing worse now under Obama".

Republicans Responsible for Shipping American Jobs Overseas and Outsourcing

Republicans want people to make more money.
That is why they are getting our low income children out of the ghetto schools and into better performing schools.
Since the voucher system, many more children are graduating High School and going on to colleges.

Both parties are to blame for jobs going overseas.

Republicans DO NOT want people to make more money. The majority of workers in this country are ditch diggers, landscapers, housekeeping, factory rats, McD workers and Walmart workers.

These people use to make a lot of money because manufacturing was huge in America and those jobs were unionized/organized. Those jobs are gone now and the GOP does not want McC or Walmart workers to make more nor do they want those factory workers who make $15 hr. to make more. Don't lie.

I can agree with a lot of what you say but not if you are not being honest with me.

Those jobs will also never return because American workers are more expensive than the machines that replace them.

(Wellll, I don't knooowwwwww ~Ronald Reagan}

That may be true, but Machines don't buy the stuff that is being made. What is the point in using machines to manufacture things when no one has a job because of automation and can't buy the product?

People need to keep that automation smooth and running correctly, plus they need to make the parts and things for all of that.

Yes, that is true. Automation gives rise to a whole new class of work. Generally speaking, that work requires more education and training than the work of yesterday. The day of a man with a high school education working the same labor intensive job all his life, supporting a family and retiring at 65 are over. That's not to say that you cannot succeed with only a high school education, but you have to be smart about it.

 

[sealybobo]

Republicans want people to make more money.
That is why they are getting our low income children out of the ghetto schools and into better performing schools.
Since the voucher system, many more children are graduating High School and going on to colleges.

Both parties are to blame for jobs going overseas.

Republicans DO NOT want people to make more money. The majority of workers in this country are ditch diggers, landscapers, housekeeping, factory rats, McD workers and Walmart workers.

These people use to make a lot of money because manufacturing was huge in America and those jobs were unionized/organized. Those jobs are gone now and the GOP does not want McC or Walmart workers to make more nor do they want those factory workers who make $15 hr. to make more. Don't lie.

I can agree with a lot of what you say but not if you are not being honest with me.

Those jobs will also never return because American workers are more expensive than the machines that replace them.

(Wellll, I don't knooowwwwww ~Ronald Reagan}

That may be true, but Machines don't buy the stuff that is being made. What is the point in using machines to manufacture things when no one has a job because of automation and can't buy the product?

People need to keep that automation smooth and running correctly, plus they need to make the parts and things for all of that.

And how long will it be before machines replicate and repair themselves? Some computers are powerful enough to do that now with proper programming.

But more on point. All it would take to run an entire automated operation is one or two technicians. Physical labor would become cheaper than it is now and millions would be out of work indefinitely; their jobs taken over by machines.

Maybe humans stop having more than 1 or 2 kids in the future? Maybe poor people stop having so many kids and eventually the human population cuts in half.

Sure for some it will be sad to not have kids but so what if they can't afford to have kids or if the economy doesn't need more people? Is having a kid a human right?

What will happen to the millions of rural Chinese men who will never have a wife, or even a girlfriend?
Due to sex-selective abortion, the gender ratio is so skewed that every year, a million more boys are born than girls. By 2020, the Chinese government estimates that there will be at least 30 million men of marriageable age that may be unable to find a spouse. What kind of social and economic effect will it have on China? Will it increase crime?

I imagine the "losers" in this marriage market are poor rural men. What do they think about the situation?

 

[sealybobo]

Republicans want people to make more money.
That is why they are getting our low income children out of the ghetto schools and into better performing schools.
Since the voucher system, many more children are graduating High School and going on to colleges.

Both parties are to blame for jobs going overseas.

Republicans DO NOT want people to make more money. The majority of workers in this country are ditch diggers, landscapers, housekeeping, factory rats, McD workers and Walmart workers.

These people use to make a lot of money because manufacturing was huge in America and those jobs were unionized/organized. Those jobs are gone now and the GOP does not want McC or Walmart workers to make more nor do they want those factory workers who make $15 hr. to make more. Don't lie.

I can agree with a lot of what you say but not if you are not being honest with me.

Those jobs will also never return because American workers are more expensive than the machines that replace them.

(Wellll, I don't knooowwwwww ~Ronald Reagan}

That may be true, but Machines don't buy the stuff that is being made. What is the point in using machines to manufacture things when no one has a job because of automation and can't buy the product?

People need to keep that automation smooth and running correctly, plus they need to make the parts and things for all of that.

Yes, that is true. Automation gives rise to a whole new class of work. Generally speaking, that work requires more education and training than the work of yesterday. The day of a man with a high school education working the same labor intensive job all his life, supporting a family and retiring at 65 are over. That's not to say that you cannot succeed with only a high school education, but you have to be smart about it.

I'm being serious here. I agree with you. And for the poor, they need to realize this isn't a planet for poor people to live in. Of course there will always be some people on the lower end of the pay scale but the days of us having 2 million poor people in Detroit all having multiple kids is over. If they can't afford to have them, they need to stop having them. 50 years ago it might have been ok for a poor person to have 10 kids. Today that's not possible without welfare.

 

[hadit]

Republicans DO NOT want people to make more money. The majority of workers in this country are ditch diggers, landscapers, housekeeping, factory rats, McD workers and Walmart workers.

These people use to make a lot of money because manufacturing was huge in America and those jobs were unionized/organized. Those jobs are gone now and the GOP does not want McC or Walmart workers to make more nor do they want those factory workers who make $15 hr. to make more. Don't lie.

I can agree with a lot of what you say but not if you are not being honest with me.

Those jobs will also never return because American workers are more expensive than the machines that replace them.

(Wellll, I don't knooowwwwww ~Ronald Reagan}

That may be true, but Machines don't buy the stuff that is being made. What is the point in using machines to manufacture things when no one has a job because of automation and can't buy the product?

People need to keep that automation smooth and running correctly, plus they need to make the parts and things for all of that.

Yes, that is true. Automation gives rise to a whole new class of work. Generally speaking, that work requires more education and training than the work of yesterday. The day of a man with a high school education working the same labor intensive job all his life, supporting a family and retiring at 65 are over. That's not to say that you cannot succeed with only a high school education, but you have to be smart about it.

I'm being serious here. I agree with you. And for the poor, they need to realize this isn't a planet for poor people to live in. Of course there will always be some people on the lower end of the pay scale but the days of us having 2 million poor people in Detroit all having multiple kids is over. If they can't afford to have them, they need to stop having them. 50 years ago it might have been ok for a poor person to have 10 kids. Today that's not possible without welfare.

The poor traditionally have a lot of kids to ensure survival of the family. Modern health care in the developed world has obliterated a lot of those concerns. And yes, having kids you can't afford to take care of is a problem.