The Fight for 15 dollars an hour...the computer that just took my order is laughing at you......

[Gdjjr]

Artificial Intelligence- an oxy moron if ever there was one- crap in, crap out- that's what computers, i.e., computers, "smart phones", etc. do- robots answering and directing phone calls that refuse to take what you say as where you want to be directed- it's ALL *job justification* for pin heads, educated beyond their intellect who couldn't use their hands if their life depended on it to say, change a flat tire, never mind wiping their own windshield, which BTW, the lack of "service stations" came about for many reasons, the most glaring is profit margins-

However, progress cannot be stopped- adapt or die sooner- you still have that choice.

 

[Gdjjr]

you guys suggested

I've never eaten there, so no it wasn't "you guys", stupid. Words mean things and online dictionaries are easy to access when in doubt- if however, one, such as yourself, knows all there is to know about all there is to know about everything there is to know you will probably find it cumbersome-

 

[2aguy]

Just went through McDonald's drive thru.......a computer took my order........

The Fight for 15 just forced even more people out of work.......good job democrats....

But serfs just need to vote every 2 years........they don't need jobs.

Universal basic income.

It's coming.

Blame corporate greed.

No....blame economic ignorance on the part of socialists who never understood how freedom works.

 

[2aguy]

Just went through McDonald's drive thru.......a computer took my order........

The Fight for 15 just forced even more people out of work.......good job democrats....

But serfs just need to vote every 2 years........they don't need jobs.

Automation is inevitable. Those jobs are going regardless of what the minimum wage is, but hiking it up to $15 will likely hasten that transition

Yep.....making it worse for those about to lose those jobs or those who will never hold those jobs and the beginning work experience they allow. Wages go up as workers are needed...forcing it causes unnecessary damage to people.....

 

[2aguy]

Here in Florida, a $15 minimum wage was voted in, but it doesn't go into effect immediately. Minimum wage will go up one dollar every year until it hits $15 an hour.

A friend of mine who owns his own business has already let two employees go. They didn't perform work that would ever be worth $15 an hour to him, so he let them go, each with a small "severance", and wished them well in finding employment with someone who can afford them.

Liberals are stupid, and they end up hurting the very people they claim to be fighting for...

They aren't stupid, they are evil. They know those two people who were let go now are more likely to vote for the political party that promises to punish the business owner who let them go and promises to give them money for free....

 

[JoeB131]

I've never eaten there, so no it wasn't "you guys", stupid. Words mean things and online dictionaries are easy to access when in doubt- if however, one, such as yourself, knows all there is to know about all there is to know about everything there is to know you will probably find it cumbersome-

Shhh... quiet the grown ups are talking.

They aren't stupid, they are evil. They know those two people who were let go now are more likely to vote for the political party that promises to punish the business owner who let them go and promises to give them money for free....

The problem here is that you are perfectly fine with protections for your job and income. You'd be throwing a fit if someone brought in someone from India on a H1B Visa to replace you at your job. So you voted for the guy who limited H1B Visas...

Me, I haven't had to work for minimum wage since 1985. I still fully support a $15.00 an hour minimum wage.

 

[Gdjjr]

Shhh... quiet the grown ups are talking.

Ignoring facts doesn't make them (or me) go away, stupid.

 

[Gdjjr]

Me, I haven't had to work for minimum wage since 1985. I still fully support a $15.00 an hour minimum wage.

What you've worked for is imaterial- what you want others to pay for is material, stupid.

 

[Canon Shooter]

Me, I haven't had to work for minimum wage since 1985. I still fully support a $15.00 an hour minimum wage.

It's ill-advised.

Here in Florida, minimum wage is currently $8.46 an hour. In five years, it will have almost doubled to $15 an hour. On its face, sure, that looks great for those who will be making $15 an hour.

But that doesn't mean the $15 an hour employee is going to be able to buy almost twice as much stuff.

The local gas station, RaceTrac, employs about 30 people. Most of them are getting around $9 an hour. For argument's sake, let's say they all work a single eight hour day. That's $2,160 in wages. On September 30 of 2021, when minimum wage increases to $10 an hour, the cost of those wages will increase to $2,400. It then goes up $1 a year until it hits $15 an hour in 2026. beyond 2021, the cost of wages will look like this:

September 2022 ($11 an hour) - $2,640
September 2023 ($12 an hour) - $2,880
September 2024 ($13 an hour) - $3,120
September 2025 ($14 an hour) - $3,360
September 2026 ($15 an hour) - $3,600

So, the minimum wage in Florida is going to go up (and my math may be shoddy here), what, some 60% from where it is now?

Do you honestly believe the prices aren't going to follow? RaceTrac isn't going to eat this new extra expense, it's going to pass it on to their customers. That would be folks like you and me. Prices will be commensurate with how much is paid in employee wages. Restaurants will raise their prices because, not only do they now have to pay a higher minimum wage, but so do their suppliers who, in turn, have to raise their prices, as well. Literally every single business which employs people will be affected. So, you can pretty much count on every single business which employs people to either raise their prices to cover the expense of the rise in minimum wage or let people ago to avoid the expense of the rise in minimum wage.

Those demanding $15 an hour may eventually figure out that they very well may have demanded themselves out of a job.

People seem to believe that a higher minimum wage is some panacea for societies ills, and it's not. Someone who can't afford to provide for a family of four now won't be able to do it five or six years from now, either. If you can't afford a house which costs $1,000 a month to rent today, and you're getting $8.46 an hour, how will you be any better off when that rent is $1,600 a month six years from now?

 

[Canon Shooter]

Here in Florida, a $15 minimum wage was voted in, but it doesn't go into effect immediately. Minimum wage will go up one dollar every year until it hits $15 an hour.

A friend of mine who owns his own business has already let two employees go. They didn't perform work that would ever be worth $15 an hour to him, so he let them go, each with a small "severance", and wished them well in finding employment with someone who can afford them.
Liberals are stupid, and they end up hurting the very people they claim to be fighting for...

Canon Shooter, enterprises managers hire or retain workers in expectation of gains or reductions of losses due to their staffing decisions; federal law does not generally intervene within those decisions. You believe that policy isn’t to our nation’s net economic benefit?

Every increase of our federal minimum wage rate has been to our nation’s net economic benefit. We all do better when we all do better. Respectfully, Supposn

I own the Acme Widget Co. We make the world's finest widgets that good Americans are proud to own. They're made here in America, by American workers, using only the finest widget-making materials sourced right here in America.

My top of the line widget, the AWC-2000, costs you, the widget-buying consumer, $10. It comes with a lifetime warranty and will give you years of widgety pleasure.

In six years, if I have to pay my employees $15 an hour, why shouldn't I pass that increased cost onto the widget buying public? What would be the argument for not raising the price of my widgets?

It's naive to think that "we all do better" when minimum wage goes up. We don't. The fact is we do about the same...

 

[Canon Shooter]

Just went through McDonald's drive thru.......a computer took my order........

The Fight for 15 just forced even more people out of work.......good job democrats....

But serfs just need to vote every 2 years........they don't need jobs.

Universal basic income.

It's coming.

Blame corporate greed.

It's not greed. It's smart money management.

Businesses are in business to make money. Period. McDonald's does not exist so people can have jobs. They exist to make money. People having jobs is simply the mechanism by which McDonald's makes money.

Flipping a burger doesn't take a lot of know-how and, thus, it's simply not a skill which is worth $15 an hour. But, until McDonald's gets robots to flip their burgers, they're going to have to keep those human burger-flippers. So, instead, they replace the human who takes your order with a computer.

Also, explain to me why someone who accomplishes this should be getting $15 an hour?

I don't eat much fast food anymore but, when I do and order at a drive-thru, I've learned to always check my order before driving away. Like it or not, folks working the drive-thru aren't exactly brain surgeons, and my experience is that they fuck up orders as often as they get them right.

And you want to pay them $15 an hour for that...

 

[Moonglow]

Just went through McDonald's drive thru.......a computer took my order........

The Fight for 15 just forced even more people out of work.......good job democrats....

But serfs just need to vote every 2 years........they don't need jobs.

I was making fifteen an hour twenty five years ago you guys need to catch up.

 

[Crepitus]

Just went through McDonald's drive thru.......a computer took my order........

The Fight for 15 just forced even more people out of work.......good job democrats....

But serfs just need to vote every 2 years........they don't need jobs.

Universal basic income.

It's coming.

Blame corporate greed.

It's not greed. It's smart money management.

Businesses are in business to make money. Period. McDonald's does not exist so people can have jobs. They exist to make money. People having jobs is simply the mechanism by which McDonald's makes money.

Flipping a burger doesn't take a lot of know-how and, thus, it's simply not a skill which is worth $15 an hour. But, until McDonald's gets robots to flip their burgers, they're going to have to keep those human burger-flippers. So, instead, they replace the human who takes your order with a computer.

Also, explain to me why someone who accomplishes this should be getting $15 an hour?

I don't eat much fast food anymore but, when I do and order at a drive-thru, I've learned to always check my order before driving away. Like it or not, folks working the drive-thru aren't exactly brain surgeons, and my experience is that they fuck up orders as often as they get them right.

And you want to pay them $15 an hour for that...

No, it's corporate greed. In the past it was recognized that the corporations had a duty to their employees. These days people like you have let them completely off the hook for that. Shame on you.

 

[Crepitus]

Just went through McDonald's drive thru.......a computer took my order........

The Fight for 15 just forced even more people out of work.......good job democrats....

But serfs just need to vote every 2 years........they don't need jobs.

I was making fifteen an hour twenty five years ago you guys need to catch up.

I don't contract out for under $150 an hour. Large events can go into the thousands per hour depending on size.

 

[Canon Shooter]

No, it's corporate greed. In the past it was recognized that the corporations had a duty to their employees. These days people like you have let them completely off the hook for that. Shame on you.

When was it "recognized", and by whom?

I don't care if it's the CEO of Apple or the owner of the local hardware store. The primary responsibility is the health of the business. Period. That's where the duty lies.

My soon-to-be son-in-law works for Amazon as a software engineer. He makes really good money (easy six figures), but he's well aware that if his employment was having a negative effect on the bottom line that he would be let go in a New York minute.

But it's not "greed". It's business...

 

[Canon Shooter]

Just went through McDonald's drive thru.......a computer took my order........

The Fight for 15 just forced even more people out of work.......good job democrats....

But serfs just need to vote every 2 years........they don't need jobs.

I was making fifteen an hour twenty five years ago you guys need to catch up.

I don't contract out for under $150 an hour. Large events can go into the thousands per hour depending on size.

Why are you so greedy? Why do you charge so much?

 

[Crepitus]

No, it's corporate greed. In the past it was recognized that the corporations had a duty to their employees. These days people like you have let them completely off the hook for that. Shame on you.

When was it "recognized", and by whom?

I don't care if it's the CEO of Apple or the owner of the local hardware store. The primary responsibility is the health of the business. Period. That's where the duty lies.

My soon-to-be son-in-law works for Amazon as a software engineer. He makes really good money (easy six figures), but he's well aware that if his employment was having a negative effect on the bottom line that he would be let go in a New York minute.

But it's not "greed". It's business...

It was recognized by everyone. Common knowledge which is no longer common.

 

[Crepitus]

Just went through McDonald's drive thru.......a computer took my order........

The Fight for 15 just forced even more people out of work.......good job democrats....

But serfs just need to vote every 2 years........they don't need jobs.

I was making fifteen an hour twenty five years ago you guys need to catch up.

I don't contract out for under $150 an hour. Large events can go into the thousands per hour depending on size.

Why are you so greedy? Why do you charge so much?

I provide a very labor and resource intensive specialized service that no one else can. And my employees and contractors are very well paid. Insurance is a bitch, too. I do not make 3,000 times what my average employee makes, like many CEOs do.

 

[Moonglow]

Just went through McDonald's drive thru.......a computer took my order........

The Fight for 15 just forced even more people out of work.......good job democrats....

But serfs just need to vote every 2 years........they don't need jobs.

I was making fifteen an hour twenty five years ago you guys need to catch up.

I don't contract out for under $150 an hour. Large events can go into the thousands per hour depending on size.

hell, I make around six hundred for four to five hours of work.

 

[Moonglow]

The problem the billionaires are under paying employees or not hiring enough.