The Ethical Boundaries of the Gay Agenda: A New Millenium of Free Speech

[manifold]

Roe V. Wade was argue not on facts or in regards to rights. It was built around lies and manipulation

I don't know about that, but it certainly demonstrates selective and inconsistent interpretation of constitutional rights. How, for example, does the alleged right to privacy, the cornerstone of the Roe decision, not apply to a guy who is growing weed in his front window and then smoking his harvest?

Get a light and grow it in your basement I guess. even more privacy

Until they check your electricity bill.

But seriously, if the privacy argument used in the Roe decision is valid, why does it not apply to anything BUT abortion?

 

[sidneyworld]

Roe V. Wade was argue not on facts or in regards to rights. It was built around lies and manipulation

Soooooo, would you like to expand on this a tad, my young laddy?

Sid, please don't feed the animals. They don't need any encouragement.

Aw shucks, Manny. I've always enjoyed visiting the petty zoo. I mean, somebody's gotta feed them, ya know?

 

[Father Time]

I don't know about that, but it certainly demonstrates selective and inconsistent interpretation of constitutional rights. How, for example, does the alleged right to privacy, the cornerstone of the Roe decision, not apply to a guy who is growing weed in his front window and then smoking his harvest?

Get a light and grow it in your basement I guess. even more privacy

Until they check your electricity bill.

But seriously, if the privacy argument used in the Roe decision is valid, why does it not apply to anything BUT abortion?

I thought it also covered birth control.

 

[Bill O'Olberman]

Roe V. Wade was argue not on facts or in regards to rights. It was built around lies and manipulation

I don't know about that, but it certainly demonstrates selective and inconsistent interpretation of constitutional rights. How, for example, does the alleged right to privacy, the cornerstone of the Roe decision, not apply to a guy who is growing weed in his front window and then smoking his harvest?

Well, in the situation you have crafted, growing weed is unfortunately legal. Growing it in your window would provide the cops with reasonable suspicion, of course the officer must in court articulate that there was compelling evidence. And suspicious electricity consumption or other things usually associated with growing marijuana can lead to probable cause. Of course the 4th Amendments protections would require the police to obtain warrants to search your property. If the police just randomly showed up and could not articulate in court that there was reasonable suspicion then the evidence would be inadmissable. So you do have privacy rights there.

 

[Bill O'Olberman]

Get a light and grow it in your basement I guess. even more privacy

Until they check your electricity bill.

But seriously, if the privacy argument used in the Roe decision is valid, why does it not apply to anything BUT abortion?

I thought it also covered birth control.

Correct. See Griswold v. Connecticut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JBeukema]

Roe V. Wade was argue not on facts or in regards to rights. It was built around lies and manipulation

Soooooo, would you like to expand on this a tad, my young laddy?

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Sure. Norma McCorvey has stated repeatedly that she lied about being raped to win that case

She also never had an abortion

nor did the other woman, whose name I forget

Look it up

 

[sidneyworld]

Roe V. Wade was argue not on facts or in regards to rights. It was built around lies and manipulation

Soooooo, would you like to expand on this a tad, my young laddy?

Sure. Norma McCorvey has stated repeatedly that she lied about being raped to win that case

She also never had an abortion

nor did the other woman, whose name I forget

Look it up

The concept of abortion is universal in the way it impacts the value of life. Abortion has been practiced since the beginning of time. It's important to understand that no one body or jurisdiction has the right to regulate the outcome of the condition of any individual with the exception of self-preservation or the malicious endangerment of another.

Abortion should never have been legistlated as a constitutional right, or wrong because the outcome establishes, on paper, the value of human life in it's early stages of development. A value that is completely displaced and devoid of any viability unless of course the female considers it to be more than just a piece of her flesh. Human life should never be taken on as an arbitrary definition. A fetus is the making of a human being. Whether it relies on it's mother completely inside the womb or outside makes no difference. A child or a fetus are still a human being that relies completely on other sources to ensure it's proper development for a considerable amount of time, before it can be self-sustaining. Feed itself, shelter itself, live completely by itself.

Having said that, the moral majority is what is to be relied upon to regulate the integrity of human life, and this applies to any country any society. Not a legistlative body. While laws are inacted in the best collective interest of its community, its society, it is far too consequential to rely on the protection of legislation on matters concerning procreation because the other half of that scenario along with the unborn child will inevitably lose as they have. Abortion laws do not take into account the rights of the father, or the rights of the people to not be burdened by taxes paid to ensure the well being of unwanted children.

The only way to deal with abortion is to first deal with instilling better values which take into account the extreme long term responsibility in pregnancy and children, along with the concept of family values and essentially the value of human life. The moral majority is the ultimate regulator in sustaining a sense of self-regulation and responsibility. If this becomes the focus instead of rallying for any instant solution, you might actually become motiviated in exercising a little more foresight and perhaps respect that goes way beyond the typically exclusive perspective of our micro-existence.

Anne Marie

 

[Cecilie1200]

Get a light and grow it in your basement I guess. even more privacy

Until they check your electricity bill.

But seriously, if the privacy argument used in the Roe decision is valid, why does it not apply to anything BUT abortion?

I thought it also covered birth control.

Roe v. Wade said nothing about birth control. It grew out of a court case involving birth control.

 

[sidneyworld]

Roe v. Wade said nothing about birth control. It grew out of a court case involving birth control.[/QUOTE]

huh?

Anne Marie

 

[Father Time]

SCOTUS found that banning abortion was unconstitutional since it violated the right to privacy which had previously been established in another SCOTUS case which overturned bans on birth control.

 

["b0xcar*girl*]

OMFG you are SOO full of shit!!

Judeo-Christian Values in America have a basis in the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness..."

Here, do you know how to fucking read?...

American Thinker: Judeo-Christian Values

Doesn't sound Atheist to me. Get your facts right moron...

Anyway, lets stick to the thread, aye.... Quit derailing the conversation with your gas...

Its says Creator, jblue, not the Christian God, Father of Jesus Christ. That means ANY religion.

True observation, but look back and see what the religion was prominent here back in the mid 1700's....................

 

[Coloradomtnman]

True observation, but look back and see what the religion was prominent here back in the mid 1700's....................

It doesn't matter if Christianity was the prominent religion during the drafting of the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, etc. What matters is that the writers of said documents didn't specify any religion as the basis for those documents of system of government, that way staying true to the ideal of freedom of religion. Our government is not a Christian government, or at least its not supposed to be, and our nation should not be a Christian nation unless you are describing what the most widely held beliefs are of its citizens. That is why they specifically used the word "Creator" and not "God". That even leaves room for atheists because something created them, whether it was a supreme being or the right chemical conditions at the right time.

 

[sidneyworld]

Looks like New York isn't a follower. Well done, so far.

"The Republican Party is celebrating a major victory in New York. What is being called as a political coup has essentially killed an effort to legalize same-sex marriage.

Republicans in the senate blind-sided the majority leader Democratic State Sen. Malcolm Smith. Two dissident Democrats sided with the GOP senators and formed a new majority totaling 32 votes.

Opponents of same-sex marriage believe it is dead -- at least for now in The Empire State. The New York State Assembly had passed a same-sex marriage bill earlier this spring and the state senate was expected to take up the measure next.

But now, with the Republican majority, many observers believe the issue is off the table.

"It looks like it's going to block it at least for this leg of the session," New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms' Jason McGuire told CBN News. "It's just too controversial a topic to bring up at this point."

A new agenda in New York and new hope for opponents of gay marriage, who have watched as five states have legalized it this year. The move in New York for now, appears to have effectively stopped that momentum."

New York Gay Marriage Proposal Appears Dead - US - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

Anne Marie

 

[sidneyworld]

True observation, but look back and see what the religion was prominent here back in the mid 1700's....................

It doesn't matter if Christianity was the prominent religion during the drafting of the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, etc. What matters is that the writers of said documents didn't specify any religion as the basis for those documents of system of government, that way staying true to the ideal of freedom of religion. Our government is not a Christian government, or at least its not supposed to be, and our nation should not be a Christian nation unless you are describing what the most widely held beliefs are of its citizens. That is why they specifically used the word "Creator" and not "God". That even leaves room for atheists because something created them, whether it was a supreme being or the right chemical conditions at the right time.

Hi Colorado,

It's interesting that you mention the use of "creator." That certainly does broaden the spectrum in monolithic sense and narrow the perspective of the actual origins of life.

Good angle and something to consider.

Anne Marie

 

[KittenKoder]

Looks like New York isn't a follower. Well done, so far.

"The Republican Party is celebrating a major victory in New York. What is being called as a political coup has essentially killed an effort to legalize same-sex marriage.

Republicans in the senate blind-sided the majority leader Democratic State Sen. Malcolm Smith. Two dissident Democrats sided with the GOP senators and formed a new majority totaling 32 votes.

Opponents of same-sex marriage believe it is dead -- at least for now in The Empire State. The New York State Assembly had passed a same-sex marriage bill earlier this spring and the state senate was expected to take up the measure next.

But now, with the Republican majority, many observers believe the issue is off the table.

"It looks like it's going to block it at least for this leg of the session," New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms' Jason McGuire told CBN News. "It's just too controversial a topic to bring up at this point."

A new agenda in New York and new hope for opponents of gay marriage, who have watched as five states have legalized it this year. The move in New York for now, appears to have effectively stopped that momentum."

New York Gay Marriage Proposal Appears Dead - US - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

Anne Marie

Well, then they can be the first to pass the "anti-marriage" bill that revokes all legal and government connections and ties to marriage altogether ...

That would make me respect them .... this just makes me wonder just how people can be such slaves to the government.

 

[sidneyworld]

Looks like New York isn't a follower. Well done, so far.

"The Republican Party is celebrating a major victory in New York. What is being called as a political coup has essentially killed an effort to legalize same-sex marriage.

Republicans in the senate blind-sided the majority leader Democratic State Sen. Malcolm Smith. Two dissident Democrats sided with the GOP senators and formed a new majority totaling 32 votes.

Opponents of same-sex marriage believe it is dead -- at least for now in The Empire State. The New York State Assembly had passed a same-sex marriage bill earlier this spring and the state senate was expected to take up the measure next.

But now, with the Republican majority, many observers believe the issue is off the table.

"It looks like it's going to block it at least for this leg of the session," New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms' Jason McGuire told CBN News. "It's just too controversial a topic to bring up at this point."

A new agenda in New York and new hope for opponents of gay marriage, who have watched as five states have legalized it this year. The move in New York for now, appears to have effectively stopped that momentum."

New York Gay Marriage Proposal Appears Dead - US - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

Anne Marie

Well, then they can be the first to pass the "anti-marriage" bill that revokes all legal and government connections and ties to marriage altogether ...

That would make me respect them .... this just makes me wonder just how people can be such slaves to the government.

You know Kitty. I would be fine with that. That way Marriage can truly be handled as an private institution as it was intended between a man and a woman. The boyscouts were able to uphold their intended charter when challenged by homosexuals who wished to disclose their sexuality in their capacity as troop leaders, which was explicitly inappropriate to the nature of this organization. If the government detached themselves from the legal parameters of marriage, it would have the ability to defend it's intended purpose among other things.

Anne Marie

 

[KittenKoder]

Looks like New York isn't a follower. Well done, so far.

"The Republican Party is celebrating a major victory in New York. What is being called as a political coup has essentially killed an effort to legalize same-sex marriage.

Republicans in the senate blind-sided the majority leader Democratic State Sen. Malcolm Smith. Two dissident Democrats sided with the GOP senators and formed a new majority totaling 32 votes.

Opponents of same-sex marriage believe it is dead -- at least for now in The Empire State. The New York State Assembly had passed a same-sex marriage bill earlier this spring and the state senate was expected to take up the measure next.

But now, with the Republican majority, many observers believe the issue is off the table.

"It looks like it's going to block it at least for this leg of the session," New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms' Jason McGuire told CBN News. "It's just too controversial a topic to bring up at this point."

A new agenda in New York and new hope for opponents of gay marriage, who have watched as five states have legalized it this year. The move in New York for now, appears to have effectively stopped that momentum."

New York Gay Marriage Proposal Appears Dead - US - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

Anne Marie

Well, then they can be the first to pass the "anti-marriage" bill that revokes all legal and government connections and ties to marriage altogether ...

That would make me respect them .... this just makes me wonder just how people can be such slaves to the government.

You know Kitty. I would be fine with that. That way Marriage can truly be handled as an private institution as it was intended between a man and a woman. The boyscouts were able to uphold their intended charter when challenged by homosexuals who wished to disclose their sexuality in their capacity as troop leaders, which was explicitly inappropriate to the nature of this organization. If the government detached themselves from the legal parameters of marriage, it would have the ability to defend it's intended purpose among other things.

Anne Marie

First, the gay people didn't issue or pursue the boyscout lawsuit, that was zealous supporters who pushed it, gay people just announced that they were not gay friendly to educate and that was it.

Secondly, you do realize that if there was no legal connection to marriage there would be a lot of churches who would perform gay marriages, right?

 

[Father Time]

Looks like New York isn't a follower. Well done, so far.

"The Republican Party is celebrating a major victory in New York. What is being called as a political coup has essentially killed an effort to legalize same-sex marriage.

Republicans in the senate blind-sided the majority leader Democratic State Sen. Malcolm Smith. Two dissident Democrats sided with the GOP senators and formed a new majority totaling 32 votes.

Opponents of same-sex marriage believe it is dead -- at least for now in The Empire State. The New York State Assembly had passed a same-sex marriage bill earlier this spring and the state senate was expected to take up the measure next.

But now, with the Republican majority, many observers believe the issue is off the table.

"It looks like it's going to block it at least for this leg of the session," New Yorkers for Constitutional Freedoms' Jason McGuire told CBN News. "It's just too controversial a topic to bring up at this point."

A new agenda in New York and new hope for opponents of gay marriage, who have watched as five states have legalized it this year. The move in New York for now, appears to have effectively stopped that momentum."

New York Gay Marriage Proposal Appears Dead - US - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

Anne Marie

Well, then they can be the first to pass the "anti-marriage" bill that revokes all legal and government connections and ties to marriage altogether ...

That would make me respect them .... this just makes me wonder just how people can be such slaves to the government.

You know Kitty. I would be fine with that. That way Marriage can truly be handled as an private institution as it was intended between a man and a woman. The boyscouts were able to uphold their intended charter when challenged by homosexuals who wished to disclose their sexuality in their capacity as troop leaders, which was explicitly inappropriate to the nature of this organization. If the government detached themselves from the legal parameters of marriage, it would have the ability to defend it's intended purpose among other things.

Anne Marie

Their charter mentions nothing of homosexuals, they just decided to be bigoted.
Oh and if they're a private institution then they really should stop getting public funds.

 

[sidneyworld]

Well, then they can be the first to pass the "anti-marriage" bill that revokes all legal and government connections and ties to marriage altogether ...

That would make me respect them .... this just makes me wonder just how people can be such slaves to the government.

You know Kitty. I would be fine with that. That way Marriage can truly be handled as an private institution as it was intended between a man and a woman. The boyscouts were able to uphold their intended charter when challenged by homosexuals who wished to disclose their sexuality in their capacity as troop leaders, which was explicitly inappropriate to the nature of this organization. If the government detached themselves from the legal parameters of marriage, it would have the ability to defend it's intended purpose among other things.

Anne Marie

Their charter mentions nothing of homosexuals, they just decided to be bigoted.
Oh and if they're a private institution then they really should stop getting public funds.

They who, Fathertime? Public Funding of Private Institutions is a reciprocal and healthy approach to the prevention of segregation and overpopulation in the public school system. Otherwise, in terms of public funding, HIV-AIDs related medication is completely covered by medicare along with other criteria which compliments social security benefits. HIV-AIDS treatment in this country is accounted primarily for homosexuals statistically. That is among other benefits which are exclusive in terms of health insurance.

Here's another concise perspective on topic.

Consequences of Marriage Redifined
Posted by eallnburke, April 21, 2009 11:34AM

Until recently all 50 states recognized marriage as the unique legal, physical and spiritual union of one man with one woman. They acknowledged that it is crucial for establishing and maintaining a well-ordered society within which children would come into existence and receive nurturing and protection so they could grow into healthy, sane and effective citizens.

But Massachusetts, Vermont, Connecticut and Iowa have abandoned this historical definition of marriage; California is under attack from extremists who have taken to the streets to force a similar outcome; and, the governor of New York is groveling before the altar of "gay marriage" in hope of securing a full term in that post.

The state officials who redefine marriage and ignore the will of the majority of their citizens who support its sanctity are either cowardly, or they think those who hold this cherished conviction are victims of religious delusion.

Marriage, however, is not the creation of any single religious group. Those from diverse religions, as well as nonbelievers, have understood the good brought about as the result of the conjugal relationship between one male and one female within marriage. It is also why various religions - despite doctrinal disagreements - recognize the validity of traditional marriages of people of other faiths.

The homosexual agitators who have successfully destroyed the historical definition of marriage in four states thus far have done so under the banner of civil rights to eliminate so-called discrimination.

Those sexual revolutionaries, of course, have invoked the civil rights issue as a red herring. Their propaganda has no relationship whatsoever to the valiant and peaceful struggles of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. The actual aim of many homosexuals is to silence and neuter those who oppose the aberrant, life-threatening venereal practices that obsess them.

As proof of their intent, look at what has happened wherever same-sex relations now have the standing of " marriage," as in Canada, in Sweden and in Massachusetts.

Citizens of Canada and Sweden have seen their pastors prosecuted for preaching from the Bible about their church's moral teaching on homosexual practices. Those in Massachusetts have witnessed Catholic Charities forced to abandon its 100-year-old program that helped place children within the homes of traditional, adoptive parents.

If the demands of homosexual extremists in the remaining 46 states continue turning politicians into poltroons, we would see those who teach or preach that marriage is an exclusive union of one man and one woman labeled bigots, and those who proclaim that children need a single male father and a single female mother who have been joined in matrimony prosecuted for being hostile to "equality," and thus enemies of the state.

Consequences of Marriage Redifined - NJ Voices Public Blog

Anne marie

 

[Father Time]

"have seen their pastors prosecuted for preaching from the Bible about their church's moral teaching on homosexual practices"

that's the result of hate crime or hate speech laws not the ones that allow gay marriage. You can have one without the other.

"Those in Massachusetts have witnessed Catholic Charities forced to abandon its 100-year-old program that helped place children within the homes of traditional, adoptive parents."

Anti-discrimination laws, again not the same as gay marriage.