The Epstein List?

[Hollie]

Wrong! That is such a pathetic deflection. Trump is in charge. He can release the files. Why doesn't he? Why is MAGA now saying Epstein is a nothingburger? MAGA has no principles except the protection of Donald Trump. That is it and nothing more.

“… because I say so.”

 

[Papageorgio]

No shit! I know how the government lowers inflation. I knew it was being done when Biden was president. Trump said HE was going to lower inflation. Has he? Has he REALLY?

I love Biden's ideas. Generally viewed as ambitious in size and scope, it sought the largest nationwide public investment in social, infrastructural, and environmental programs since the 1930s Great Depression-era policies of the New Deal. Better than the BBB. And Biden wasn't going to lower taxes on billionaires. They would have had to pay their fair share. And how many jobs come with this? More than the jobs created from the BBB. And Biden would never kick poor people off medicaid. Only Republicans do that shit.

On a side note, remember that show I was telling you about? How nothing has changed? Similar to how Trump just lied to us about why he bombed Iran, and Bush lying us into Iraq, and I believe Viet Nam was a lie too, but this goes way back even further:

The U.S. war that was started by a ship blowing up is the Spanish-American War. The explosion of the USS Maine in Havana Harbor on February 15, 1898, was a major catalyst for the conflict.
The US Government said "they" blew it up. But "they" didn't. It was hot and the boiler exploded and they had ammunition close to the boiler. But the US lied and blamed it on "them". Whoever they are or were back then. Cubans? Communists?

One thing I got out of this documentary is that Capitalism kind of sucks. It relied very heavily on taking advantage of 3rd world labor. And our Robber Barons sent goons down to get those workers in 3rd world shitholes to stop complaining. Sometimes we sent the military. Often we sent the military. They interviewed this one top Marine who said he was basically the Mafia for Corporate America. He went in to all these 3rd world shit holes and made it safe for the Robber Baron's companies to do business.

If you knew how government lowered inflation then why did you make a stupid statement that the Inflation Reduction Act reduced inflation?

Inflation is running 3% which is a tad higher than I like it, but I didn’t believe Trump when he said he would lower in inflation, just as I didn’t believe Biden didn’t have dementia, but you believed Biden didn’t have dementia! lol!

The extreme left and right will believe the nonsense as you have proved.

 

[sealybobo]

If you knew how government lowered inflation then why did you make a stupid statement that the Inflation Reduction Act reduced inflation?

Inflation is running 3% which is a tad higher than I like it, but I didn’t believe Trump when he said he would lower in inflation, just as I didn’t believe Biden didn’t have dementia, but you believed Biden didn’t have dementia! lol!

The extreme left and right will believe the nonsense as you have proved.

And you don't believe Trump is demented.

You're just as much a confused lost sheep as the rest of them. Just because you haven't figured out which party is best for you doesn't make you smarter than the left and right. I say you're smarter than some on the right but everyone who votes left is voting correctly. Rich lefties care about the poor. Poor lefties don't vote for the Robber Barons to rule them/us all.

This debate has been going on for hundreds of years. The left is for working people and you're being manipulated by todays Robber Barons. Start watching more history shows. The one I found on TV is so freaking awesome. It tells the facts about what happened, Red scare, robber barons, lying us into wars, it showed how Reagan refused to apologize for what we did in Viet Nam. How fucked up Capitalism. You know how they say Capitalism is the worst system, except for all the other systems? So ******* true. The rich take advantage of the poor. And sometimes through liberal movements things get better, but then conservative bullshit, the kind you spew, comes back and the rich continue to get rich while we suffer.

It even talked about how the robber barons back then wanted free trade with the rest of the world. They didn't want to ONLY sell to Americans. China has always been the prize.

Anyways, I've only watched like 1.5 episodes out of 10 so far. Very interesting. Seems like the more things change the more they stay the same. Only today the rich are making another power play. Which is usually followed by a major recession where YOU struggle for 10 years. Happens every time a Republican leaves office and your dumb ass forgets 4 years later.

 

[Papageorgio]

And you don't believe Trump is demented.

You're just as much a confused lost sheep as the rest of them. Just because you haven't figured out which party is best for you doesn't make you smarter than the left and right. I say you're smarter than some on the right but everyone who votes left is voting correctly. Rich lefties care about the poor. Poor lefties don't vote for the Robber Barons to rule them/us all.

This debate has been going on for hundreds of years. The left is for working people and you're being manipulated by todays Robber Barons. Start watching more history shows. The one I found on TV is so freaking awesome. It tells the facts about what happened, Red scare, robber barons, lying us into wars, it showed how Reagan refused to apologize for what we did in Viet Nam. How fucked up Capitalism. You know how they say Capitalism is the worst system, except for all the other systems? So ******* true. The rich take advantage of the poor. And sometimes through liberal movements things get better, but then conservative bullshit, the kind you spew, comes back and the rich continue to get rich while we suffer.

It even talked about how the robber barons back then wanted free trade with the rest of the world. They didn't want to ONLY sell to Americans. China has always been the prize.

Anyways, I've only watched like 1.5 episodes out of 10 so far. Very interesting. Seems like the more things change the more they stay the same. Only today the rich are making another power play. Which is usually followed by a major recession where YOU struggle for 10 years. Happens every time a Republican leaves office and your dumb ass forgets 4 years later.

Bill Gates as much of a robber baron as George Soros, so you are spouting bullshit. You are just as confused as the far right. You spouted lies about Republicans as they have about you and after the Democratic Party lied to us over the last four years, I don’t believe the crap they spew, but go ahead and be an idiot and believe them because they have their rich people that have to please.

 

[sealybobo]

Bill Gates as much of a robber baron as George Soros, so you are spouting bullshit. You are just as confused as the far right. You spouted lies about Republicans as they have about you and after the Democratic Party lied to us over the last four years, I don’t believe the crap they spew, but go ahead and be an idiot and believe them because they have their rich people that have to please.

The boogie man George Soros. That's all the evidence I need you're a brainwashed dope. You listen to the right's propaganda. Watch some history shows you'll see the rich have been using these tactics for centuries in order to divide us. Bashing immigrants, blaming China. Holy crap it's like Trump studied history and learned what works on dopes and boy you idiots fell for it.

You too because "you didn't vote for either Kamala or Trump". If you did that, then you fell for Trump's bullshit too. You just don't realize it.

Okay fine. Another 100 years will go by. Will things get better, stay the same or get worse because of Trump's policies? I say in 10 years you'll see the middle class is even further behind than now. Trump gives you something with one hand but takes more with the other and you don't even realize it. Same as Reagan and Bush did.

You middle class Americans keep voting for these idiot Republicans. Even when a Democrat did a good job. Clinton was great why not Gore? Obama was great why not Hillary? Biden was great why not Kamala?

Unless you swallowed Trump's bs and clearly you have. You SPEW it in every post. MAGA

 

[Papageorgio]

The boogie man George Soros. That's all the evidence I need you're a brainwashed dope. You listen to the right's propaganda. Watch some history shows you'll see the rich have been using these tactics for centuries in order to divide us. Bashing immigrants, blaming China. Holy crap it's like Trump studied history and learned what works on dopes and boy you idiots fell for it.

You too because "you didn't vote for either Kamala or Trump". If you did that, then you fell for Trump's bullshit too. You just don't realize it.

Okay fine. Another 100 years will go by. Will things get better, stay the same or get worse because of Trump's policies? I say in 10 years you'll see the middle class is even further behind than now. Trump gives you something with one hand but takes more with the other and you don't even realize it. Same as Reagan and Bush did.

You middle class Americans keep voting for these idiot Republicans. Even when a Democrat did a good job. Clinton was great why not Gore? Obama was great why not Hillary? Biden was great why not Kamala?

Unless you swallowed Trump's bs and clearly you have. You SPEW it in every post. MAGA

Propaganda? And you don’t believe propagandists? Let’s see, did you believe Biden had dementia as early as 2021? Did you believe there was no possible way that Covid-19 could never have come from a lab in Wuhan? Did you ever believe that once you took the Covid vaccine you could never get Covid? Did you believe that once you took the Covid vaccine that you could never spread it? Did you believe the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation? Did you believe Joe Biden had no knowledge of Hunter Biden’s business dealings? Did you believe Clinton campaign did not fund the Steele Dossier? Did you believe there was Trump - Russian collusion? Did you believe Russian influence swung the 2016 election to Trump? Did you believe that inflation was transitory? Did you believe the Inflation Reduction Act would reduce inflation? Did you believe the Afghanistan withdrawal was an extraordinary success? Did you believe there was no border crisis in the spring of 2021? Did you believe the border was secure? That a biological male can just decide to a female and a biological female can decide to be a male just by saying so? And you believe them because they propaganda that 2000, 2004, and 2016 are stolen elections

Spare me you left wing nuts have no higher ground to claim.

Spare calling any one an idiot because you are one as well.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

You really believe some bizarre things.

It's happening right now....a bunch of mentally ill MAGAs are turning against Trump and Bondi because of this shit.

 

[dblack]

You know how they say Capitalism is the worst system, except for all the other systems?

LOL - the quote is actually "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried". Sort of ironic that you mangled it.

 

[hadit]

It's happening right now....a bunch of mentally ill MAGAs are turning against Trump and Bondi because of this shit.

They're mentally ill because they want to know if children were abused and if they were, who abused them?

Like I said, you believe some bizarre things. I guess that's what end-stage TDS does to you. In my book, protecting children is more important than pretty much everything else.

 

[sealybobo]

Propaganda? And you don’t believe propagandists? Let’s see, did you believe Biden had dementia as early as 2021? Did you believe there was no possible way that Covid-19 could never have come from a lab in Wuhan? Did you ever believe that once you took the Covid vaccine you could never get Covid? Did you believe that once you took the Covid vaccine that you could never spread it? Did you believe the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation? Did you believe Joe Biden had no knowledge of Hunter Biden’s business dealings? Did you believe Clinton campaign did not fund the Steele Dossier? Did you believe there was Trump - Russian collusion? Did you believe Russian influence swung the 2016 election to Trump? Did you believe that inflation was transitory? Did you believe the Inflation Reduction Act would reduce inflation? Did you believe the Afghanistan withdrawal was an extraordinary success? Did you believe there was no border crisis in the spring of 2021? Did you believe the border was secure? That a biological male can just decide to a female and a biological female can decide to be a male just by saying so? And you believe them because they propaganda that 2000, 2004, and 2016 are stolen elections

Spare me you left wing nuts have no higher ground to claim.

Spare calling any one an idiot because you are one as well.

I'm not perfect. I feel like a one eyed man in a world full of blind people.

You need to watch this documentary. While you are watching it you'll get the sense that everything happening today has been happening for hundreds of years. NOTHING is new. Are we Globalists or are we Isolationists? One things for sure the Robber Baron's have been pulling all our strings for the entire time.

Regarding the program's accuracy, Stone told TV host Tavis Smiley: "This has been fact checked by corporate fact checkers, by our own fact checkers, and fact checkers [hired] by Showtime. It's been thoroughly vetted... these are facts, our interpretation may be different than orthodox, but it definitely holds up."

Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick provide a critical overview of US foreign policy during the past few decades. ... Such a perspective is indispensable at a time when decisions are being taken that will shape America's role in the global world of the twenty-first century. At stake is whether the United States will choose to be the policeman of a "Pax Americana", which is a recipe for disaster, or partner with other nations on the way to a safer, more just and sustainable future.

But of course In November 2012, historian Ronald Radosh of the conservative Hudson Institute lambasted it as "mendacious" Cold War revisionism and "mindless recycling of Stalin's propaganda,"

The Untold History of the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Papageorgio]

I'm not perfect. I feel like a one eyed man in a world full of blind people.

You need to watch this documentary. While you are watching it you'll get the sense that everything happening today has been happening for hundreds of years. NOTHING is new. Are we Globalists or are we Isolationists? One things for sure the Robber Baron's have been pulling all our strings for the entire time.

Regarding the program's accuracy, Stone told TV host Tavis Smiley: "This has been fact checked by corporate fact checkers, by our own fact checkers, and fact checkers [hired] by Showtime. It's been thoroughly vetted... these are facts, our interpretation may be different than orthodox, but it definitely holds up."

Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick provide a critical overview of US foreign policy during the past few decades. ... Such a perspective is indispensable at a time when decisions are being taken that will shape America's role in the global world of the twenty-first century. At stake is whether the United States will choose to be the policeman of a "Pax Americana", which is a recipe for disaster, or partner with other nations on the way to a safer, more just and sustainable future.

But of course In November 2012, historian Ronald Radosh of the conservative Hudson Institute lambasted it as "mendacious" Cold War revisionism and "mindless recycling of Stalin's propaganda,"

So you succumb to propaganda like everyone else. How do you know the documentary isn’t propaganda, it sure has a world view agenda it is trying to push as do most documentaries.

I believe the democrats and republicans support robber barons, I don’t believe a lot of their political bullshit, over the last several decades rich, poor, democrats, republicans, men, women, all have agendas and all will twist their lies to support their agenda. Nothing new under the sun.

 

[sealybobo]

So you succumb to propaganda like everyone else. How do you know the documentary isn’t propaganda, it sure has a world view agenda it is trying to push as do most documentaries.

I believe the democrats and republicans support robber barons, I don’t believe a lot of their political bullshit, over the last several decades rich, poor, democrats, republicans, men, women, all have agendas and all will twist their lies to support their agenda. Nothing new under the sun.

I remember being taught those things in elementary, jr high and highschool. Things they don't point out today. Today's history has been white washed. Watch the documentary I don't think you'll dislike or disagree with the facts they present. But sure, who knows if Franz' assassination REALLY started WW1

Just hours after narrowly escaping an assassin's bomb, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the heir to Austro-Hungarian throne and his wife, the Duchess of Hohenberg, are killed by Gavrilo Princip. A month later, Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia and Europe rapidly descends into chaos. Read more about it!

Watch the documentary. I think some conservatives cry foul that it's liberal or communist propaganda. But they are full of shit.

Yes the Robber Baron's control both parties but the Democrats today are the labor party. Trump stole the labor vote. He is not their friend. He just plays one on tv. Biden was our friend. Has been for decades.

 

[sealybobo]

So you succumb to propaganda like everyone else. How do you know the documentary isn’t propaganda, it sure has a world view agenda it is trying to push as do most documentaries.

I believe the democrats and republicans support robber barons, I don’t believe a lot of their political bullshit, over the last several decades rich, poor, democrats, republicans, men, women, all have agendas and all will twist their lies to support their agenda. Nothing new under the sun.

In the documentary they talk a lot about FDR and the New Deal and he sounds a lot like Biden. And the rich did NOT like FDR. Called him a traitor to his class.

And they use the media to lie to us. They are and were not the "liberal" media.

 

[Papageorgio]

I remember being taught those things in elementary, jr high and highschool. Things they don't point out today. Today's history has been white washed. Watch the documentary I don't think you'll dislike or disagree with the facts they present. But sure, who knows if Franz' assassination REALLY started WW1

Just hours after narrowly escaping an assassin's bomb, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the heir to Austro-Hungarian throne and his wife, the Duchess of Hohenberg, are killed by Gavrilo Princip. A month later, Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia and Europe rapidly descends into chaos. Read more about it!

Watch the documentary. I think some conservatives cry foul that it's liberal or communist propaganda. But they are full of shit.

Yes the Robber Baron's control both parties but the Democrats today are the labor party. Trump stole the labor vote. He is not their friend. He just plays one on tv. Biden was our friend. Has been for decades.

Have no idea of your point, I knew all of that, learned it in school and also watch shows on it. I am happy you finally learning after 50 years.

 

[Papageorgio]

In the documentary they talk a lot about FDR and the New Deal and he sounds a lot like Biden. And the rich did NOT like FDR. Called him a traitor to his class.

And they use the media to lie to us. They are and were not the "liberal" media.

FDR also violated the Constitution and Biden is all for the rich and he lies as well as any of them.

 

[sealybobo]

FDR also violated the Constitution and Biden is all for the rich and he lies as well as any of them.

Biden and first lady Jill Biden have a net worth of about $10 million

That's nothing. If he's corrupt he's bad at it.

Yes you watch those shows and you know those things but the light bulb hasn't gone off with you. The same robber barons that were in control back then are in control now. Now of course they have to go to the White House occasionally to tell Trump to knock it off, but ultimately he serves them first you last. And he's okay with that because he's a BILLIONAIRE too. He himself is a robber baron, wannabe.

Biden has $10 million. LOL. That's not very much for a guy who worked into his 80's.

 

[hadit]

I remember being taught those things in elementary, jr high and highschool. Things they don't point out today. Today's history has been white washed. Watch the documentary I don't think you'll dislike or disagree with the facts they present. But sure, who knows if Franz' assassination REALLY started WW1

Just hours after narrowly escaping an assassin's bomb, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the heir to Austro-Hungarian throne and his wife, the Duchess of Hohenberg, are killed by Gavrilo Princip. A month later, Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia and Europe rapidly descends into chaos. Read more about it!

Watch the documentary. I think some conservatives cry foul that it's liberal or communist propaganda. But they are full of shit.

Yes the Robber Baron's control both parties but the Democrats today are the labor party. Trump stole the labor vote. He is not their friend. He just plays one on tv. Biden was our friend. Has been for decades.

You're living in denial or are stuck in the 50's if you still think the democrats are the party of labor. Let's recap two very important things, shall we?

1. TRUMP! attempts to remove as many illegal workers as possible. One of the things illegal workers do is keep wages depressed, so it should be a no-brainer to support that. Democrats fight him every step of the way, even to the extent of encouraging attacks on federal officers, the insurrectionists.
2. TRUMP! applies tariffs to discourage foreign competitors from dumping cheap crap on America and depressing wages. Again, a no-brainer to support. Democrats, naturally, fight him every step of the way.

Those are just two reasons why labor can't trust democrats and in fact should vote every one of them out of office.

 

[Papageorgio]

Biden and first lady Jill Biden have a net worth of about $10 million

That's nothing. If he's corrupt he's bad at it.

Yes you watch those shows and you know those things but the light bulb hasn't gone off with you. The same robber barons that were in control back then are in control now. Now of course they have to go to the White House occasionally to tell Trump to knock it off, but ultimately he serves them first you last. And he's okay with that because he's a BILLIONAIRE too. He himself is a robber baron, wannabe.

Biden has $10 million. LOL. That's not very much for a guy who worked into his 80's.

He doesn’t have to be rich to help the rich, that is what you accuse me of all the time by voting third party. The light bulb has gone off decades ago, the issue is you think and be.ieve differently than I do and you have your opinion and you have yours. Again, the robber barons play both parties like they always have you just need to believe it is only republicans to fit your view of the world. I believe that both sides feed the rich and my proof is Obama and Biden were presidents during the two largest transfers of wealth to the wealthy in US history. But you seem to want to ignore that fact because it doesn’t fit into your belief system, maybe it does.

 

[sealybobo]

He doesn’t have to be rich to help the rich, that is what you accuse me of all the time by voting third party. The light bulb has gone off decades ago, the issue is you think and be.ieve differently than I do and you have your opinion and you have yours. Again, the robber barons play both parties like they always have you just need to believe it is only republicans to fit your view of the world. I believe that both sides feed the rich and my proof is Obama and Biden were presidents during the two largest transfers of wealth to the wealthy in US history. But you seem to want to ignore that fact because it doesn’t fit into your belief system, maybe it does.

No I don't believe it's only Republicans. But you see the Robber Baron's don't love every president equally. I believe they favor the Republican presidents because Republicans favor them more than Democrats. I think everyone knows this. The middle class recently got duped by Trump into believing the Democrats have abandoned them and that THEY are the party for the rich when clearly that's not true. Trump ran a brilliant campaign but he fooled you. If you didn't vote for Kamala, he fooled you. It's that simple. Or you just don't get what a problem he is for us. You must believe he's better than Kamala.

Of course they feed the rich but Republicans take food off poor people's tables to feed the rich even more than they deserve. And they shift the tax burden more on to you when they pass tax breaks for the rich. Reagan, Bush and Trump all passed tax breaks for the rich. Clinton, Obama and Biden did not. So the Robber Baron's don't own Democrats as much as they do the GOP. The Robber Baron's called FDR a traitor to his class for how much he did for the poor and middle class.

Stephen A Smith 2028!

 

[Papageorgio]

No I don't believe it's only Republicans. But you see the Robber Baron's don't love every president equally. I believe they favor the Republican presidents because Republicans favor them more than Democrats. I think everyone knows this. The middle class recently got duped by Trump into believing the Democrats have abandoned them and that THEY are the party for the rich when clearly that's not true. Trump ran a brilliant campaign but he fooled you. If you didn't vote for Kamala, he fooled you. It's that simple. Or you just don't get what a problem he is for us. You must believe he's better than Kamala.

Of course they feed the rich but Republicans take food off poor people's tables to feed the rich even more than they deserve. And they shift the tax burden more on to you when they pass tax breaks for the rich. Reagan, Bush and Trump all passed tax breaks for the rich. Clinton, Obama and Biden did not. So the Robber Baron's don't own Democrats as much as they do the GOP. The Robber Baron's called FDR a traitor to his class for how much he did for the poor and middle class.

Stephen A Smith 2028!

Then explain the two greatest transfers of wealth to the rich under two democratic presidents.