The EPA

[copsnrobbers]

Looks like this agency has become much to powerful. A dictatorship in fact.
We really do need to dress them down to get manufacturing back into the US.
Any thoughts one way or the other?

 

[Katzndogz]

The EPA needs to go.

 

[copsnrobbers]

The EPA needs to go.

Wells said, right to the point, no fuckin around. The liberals will be bashing in here shortly.
I see there are some whiners in here, ya know.
Okay you folks that survive of the tits of those who work come and get this thread.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Suckling the teat is what is to be done.

 

[Old Rocks]

Ah yes, more of the people that think that the air quality of China is fine, that rivers poisoned for hundreds of miles is a cheap price to pay for the wealth of the 1%. That children's health is far less important than the wealth of the already rich.

What a bunch of knownothing asses you are.

 

[skookerasbil]

The EPA has become a tool for liberals to destroy capitalism...........which is why this election is so important. Most people have no clue about how this administration uses the EPA...........they think it is about making our environment cleaner. The EPA is methodically used to crush small business in America thus leading to more of the middle class to become dependent upon the state. It is a brilliant scheme.

http://therothshow.com/2011/08/epa-one-of-obamas-deadly-weapons-of-destruction/


The party of the "little guy" is the party that methodically crushes the little guy. The EPA is nothing but a jobs annihilator.

 

[Mr. H.]

I've always been astounded by the EPA's "hands-off" approach to agriculture.
They should quit chasing ghosts and go after the real culprits.

 

[Katzndogz]

Go to California's central valley. Look at the acres of former farms and orchards now fallow and arid. The EPA has been systematically removing agricultural land from production for years. The pattern is followed all over the country. One area, one farm at a time. The goal of the EPA is to make it impossible for the United States to produce its own food. Nations that cannot feed themselves don't survive.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hey Katz, ever hear of links? Otherwise all you have said is yap-yap.

 

[Old Rocks]

Of course corperations would never ignore the health issues of creating their products within the US, now would they?

The Donora Fluoride Fog: A Secret History of America's Worst Air Pollution Disaster

The anniversary of the worst recorded industrial air pollution accident in US history - which occurred 50 years ago this October in Donora, Pennsylvania - will go virtually unmarked. The Donora incident, which killed 20 and left hundreds seriously injured and dying, was caused by fluoride emissions from the Donora Zinc Works and steel plants owned by the US Steel Corporation.

In the aftermath of the accident, US Steel conspired with US Public Health Service (PHS) officials to cover up the role fluoride played in the tragedy. This charge comes from Philip Sadtler, a top industrial chemical consultant who conducted his own research at the scene of the disaster.

Fifty years later, Earth Island Journal has learned, vital records of the Donora investigation are missing from PHS archives. Fifty years later, US Steel continues to block access to their records of the Donora disaster, including a crucial air chemical analysis taken on the final night of the tragedy

 

[Old Rocks]

Of course filthy rivers are so much more pleasing than rivers in which one can actually fish. Clean water is so boring.

From the Ashes of ’69, Cleveland's Cuyahoga River Is Reborn - NYTimes.com

From the Ashes of ’69, a River Reborn

By CHRISTOPHER MAAG

Published: June 20, 2009


CLEVELAND — The first time Gene Roberts fell into the Cuyahoga River, he worried he might die. The year was 1963, and the river was still an open sewer for industrial waste. Walking home, Mr. Roberts smelled so bad that his friends ran to stay upwind of him.




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Mark Duncan/Associated Press

A healthier Cuyahoga River in Cleveland, which was known as “The Mistake by the Lake” after the river caught fire in 1969.

Recently, Mr. Roberts returned to the river carrying his fly-fishing rod. In 20 minutes, he caught six smallmouth bass. “It’s a miracle,” said Mr. Roberts, 58. “The river has come back to life.”

Monday is the 40th anniversary of the Cuyahoga River fire of 1969, when oil-soaked debris floating on the river’s surface was ignited, most likely by sparks from a passing train.

The fire was extinguished in 30 minutes and caused just $50,000 in damage. But it became a galvanizing symbol for the environmental movement, one of a handful of disasters that led to the creation of the Environmental Protection Agency and to the passage of the Clean Water Act.

 

[Katzndogz]

Hey Katz, ever hear of links? Otherwise all you have said is yap-yap.

I expect that people will have knowledge of issues that have been well publicized and are commonly known.

It might be that sanity will return to the California Central valley but not without an environmental fight.

Will California?s Central Valley Bloom Again? - Investors.com

Politics: Is sanity finally coming to California's Central Valley? America's breadbasket has long been victim of capricious water cutoffs to "save" the environment. A bill in Congress puts an end to this man-made drought. It should pass.

Rep. Devin Nunes of Visalia, Calif., has come forward with a legislative remedy for the policies that have turned fertile fields into hollowed-out dust bowls in the name of "being green."

Nunes' Sacramento-San Joaquin Water Reliability Act goes to a vote in the House Wednesday and if it passes, it will guarantee that water the farmers paid for finally gets to the parched Central Valley. It will put an end to the sorry stream of shriveled vineyards, blackened almond groves and unemployed farm workers standing in alms lines for bagged carrots from China.

The insanity of the current policies against some of America's most productive farmers in one of the world's richest farm belts is largely the work leftist politicians from the wealthy enclaves of the San Francisco Bay Area. This group has exerted its political muscle on the less politically powerful region that produces more than half the fruits and vegetables consumed in the U.S. — with $26 billion in annual sales.

 

[Old Rocks]

The EPA is all we have to protect us against the big corperations poisoning us and our children. The actions by US Steel are typical of all corperations. We saw the decades long coverup concerning asbestos with Monsanto and others.

Any politician that starts yapping about eliminating the EPA needs to be targeted by all sane voters, and removed from office by whatever means possible.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hey Katz, ever hear of links? Otherwise all you have said is yap-yap.

I expect that people will have knowledge of issues that have been well publicized and are commonly known.

It might be that sanity will return to the California Central valley but not without an environmental fight.

Will California?s Central Valley Bloom Again? - Investors.com

Politics: Is sanity finally coming to California's Central Valley? America's breadbasket has long been victim of capricious water cutoffs to "save" the environment. A bill in Congress puts an end to this man-made drought. It should pass.

Rep. Devin Nunes of Visalia, Calif., has come forward with a legislative remedy for the policies that have turned fertile fields into hollowed-out dust bowls in the name of "being green."

Nunes' Sacramento-San Joaquin Water Reliability Act goes to a vote in the House Wednesday and if it passes, it will guarantee that water the farmers paid for finally gets to the parched Central Valley. It will put an end to the sorry stream of shriveled vineyards, blackened almond groves and unemployed farm workers standing in alms lines for bagged carrots from China.

The insanity of the current policies against some of America's most productive farmers in one of the world's richest farm belts is largely the work leftist politicians from the wealthy enclaves of the San Francisco Bay Area. This group has exerted its political muscle on the less politically powerful region that produces more than half the fruits and vegetables consumed in the U.S. — with $26 billion in annual sales.

It will guarntee water?

Water Issues in California > Sierra Club California

The Bay-Delta is also the hub of the state's water system, supplying water to more than 22 million Californians and over 7 million acres of farmland. Our dependence on the Bay-Delta has led to its ecological collapse.

Today:

On average, about half of the fresh water that once flowed naturally into the Bay-Delta is diverted to San Joaquin Valley agribusiness and cities
All but one of the major tributaries to the Bay-Delta are dammed
More than 90 percent of the Bay's original wetlands are lost to development, dredging and landfill
Winter Run Chinook salmon populations have declined by more than 90 percent since the early 1970s
California has lost 75 percent of its commercial salmon fishing boats over the last 15 years
The recreational fishing industry has lost $6 billion over the last 25 years
88 million pounds of pesticides and toxic chemicals flow into the Bay each year
Chemicals in Bay Area fish are known to cause cancer, birth defects, and other health problems in humans

For decades, little was done to address the increased concentration of pollutants, intrusion of salt water, and the resulting diminished water quality in the Bay-Delta. In the early 1990s, the state was finally forced to adopt water quality standards, partly because of the drastic decline in once-robust populations of spring-run Chinook salmon and Delta smelt. The Sierra Club continues to press on state and federal officials to live up to their obligations to protect and restore the Bay-Delta. By protecting water quality and flows in the Delta and its watershed, we are working to protect the health of Californians and the environment at the same time.

 

[NLT]

Ah yes, more of the people that think that the air quality of China is fine, that rivers poisoned for hundreds of miles is a cheap price to pay for the wealth of the 1%. That children's health is far less important than the wealth of the already rich.

What a bunch of knownothing asses you are.

First Libtard defender of the EPA

 

[NLT]

Ah yes, more of the people that think that the air quality of China is fine, that rivers poisoned for hundreds of miles is a cheap price to pay for the wealth of the 1%. That children's health is far less important than the wealth of the already rich.

What a bunch of knownothing asses you are.

Should'nt you be mill wrighting in that EPA Controlled Steel Mill of yours. I am sure the Air Quality is perfect. You love the EPA so much why do you work in a polluting steel mill?

 

[Katzndogz]

Hey Katz, ever hear of links? Otherwise all you have said is yap-yap.

I expect that people will have knowledge of issues that have been well publicized and are commonly known.

It might be that sanity will return to the California Central valley but not without an environmental fight.

Will California?s Central Valley Bloom Again? - Investors.com

Politics: Is sanity finally coming to California's Central Valley? America's breadbasket has long been victim of capricious water cutoffs to "save" the environment. A bill in Congress puts an end to this man-made drought. It should pass.

Rep. Devin Nunes of Visalia, Calif., has come forward with a legislative remedy for the policies that have turned fertile fields into hollowed-out dust bowls in the name of "being green."

Nunes' Sacramento-San Joaquin Water Reliability Act goes to a vote in the House Wednesday and if it passes, it will guarantee that water the farmers paid for finally gets to the parched Central Valley. It will put an end to the sorry stream of shriveled vineyards, blackened almond groves and unemployed farm workers standing in alms lines for bagged carrots from China.

The insanity of the current policies against some of America's most productive farmers in one of the world's richest farm belts is largely the work leftist politicians from the wealthy enclaves of the San Francisco Bay Area. This group has exerted its political muscle on the less politically powerful region that produces more than half the fruits and vegetables consumed in the U.S. — with $26 billion in annual sales.

It will guarntee water?

Water Issues in California > Sierra Club California

The Bay-Delta is also the hub of the state's water system, supplying water to more than 22 million Californians and over 7 million acres of farmland. Our dependence on the Bay-Delta has led to its ecological collapse.

Today:

On average, about half of the fresh water that once flowed naturally into the Bay-Delta is diverted to San Joaquin Valley agribusiness and cities
All but one of the major tributaries to the Bay-Delta are dammed
More than 90 percent of the Bay's original wetlands are lost to development, dredging and landfill
Winter Run Chinook salmon populations have declined by more than 90 percent since the early 1970s
California has lost 75 percent of its commercial salmon fishing boats over the last 15 years
The recreational fishing industry has lost $6 billion over the last 25 years
88 million pounds of pesticides and toxic chemicals flow into the Bay each year
Chemicals in Bay Area fish are known to cause cancer, birth defects, and other health problems in humans

For decades, little was done to address the increased concentration of pollutants, intrusion of salt water, and the resulting diminished water quality in the Bay-Delta. In the early 1990s, the state was finally forced to adopt water quality standards, partly because of the drastic decline in once-robust populations of spring-run Chinook salmon and Delta smelt. The Sierra Club continues to press on state and federal officials to live up to their obligations to protect and restore the Bay-Delta. By protecting water quality and flows in the Delta and its watershed, we are working to protect the health of Californians and the environment at the same time.

There is no water, not because there is no water but because a judge, one environmental activist judge turned the water off to protect the delta smelt.

If the EPA was necesssary at one time it has long since become too powerful and destructive.

Environmentalists, particularly San Francisco environmentalists really don't care that workers in the Central valley now depend on food aid, much of it bought really cheap from China. Neither do they care that Americans now depend on Chile for produce. Let's put it this way, those the can afford it, but available foreign produce from Chile and New Zealand, the poor depend on what's bought as cheap as possible from China and India with whatever environmental controls those countries find appropriate.

 

[Old Rocks]

The steel mill I work at has some of the most advanced pollution controls of any mill in the world. Both for water and air. And the controls are constantly being improved on. Much of this is the result of the EPA rules, some is voluntary to keep ahead of the EPA rules. American owned mills could take lessons from what has been done at 'my' mill.

 

[Mr. H.]

Do you have the run of the mill?

Got a question- a local foundry recently switched from firing smelters with coal to using electricity.
The locals say their emissions are worse. How's that possible?

 

[Old Rocks]

I expect that people will have knowledge of issues that have been well publicized and are commonly known.

It might be that sanity will return to the California Central valley but not without an environmental fight.

Will California?s Central Valley Bloom Again? - Investors.com

Politics: Is sanity finally coming to California's Central Valley? America's breadbasket has long been victim of capricious water cutoffs to "save" the environment. A bill in Congress puts an end to this man-made drought. It should pass.

Rep. Devin Nunes of Visalia, Calif., has come forward with a legislative remedy for the policies that have turned fertile fields into hollowed-out dust bowls in the name of "being green."

Nunes' Sacramento-San Joaquin Water Reliability Act goes to a vote in the House Wednesday and if it passes, it will guarantee that water the farmers paid for finally gets to the parched Central Valley. It will put an end to the sorry stream of shriveled vineyards, blackened almond groves and unemployed farm workers standing in alms lines for bagged carrots from China.

The insanity of the current policies against some of America's most productive farmers in one of the world's richest farm belts is largely the work leftist politicians from the wealthy enclaves of the San Francisco Bay Area. This group has exerted its political muscle on the less politically powerful region that produces more than half the fruits and vegetables consumed in the U.S. — with $26 billion in annual sales.

It will guarntee water?

Water Issues in California > Sierra Club California

The Bay-Delta is also the hub of the state's water system, supplying water to more than 22 million Californians and over 7 million acres of farmland. Our dependence on the Bay-Delta has led to its ecological collapse.

Today:

On average, about half of the fresh water that once flowed naturally into the Bay-Delta is diverted to San Joaquin Valley agribusiness and cities
All but one of the major tributaries to the Bay-Delta are dammed
More than 90 percent of the Bay's original wetlands are lost to development, dredging and landfill
Winter Run Chinook salmon populations have declined by more than 90 percent since the early 1970s
California has lost 75 percent of its commercial salmon fishing boats over the last 15 years
The recreational fishing industry has lost $6 billion over the last 25 years
88 million pounds of pesticides and toxic chemicals flow into the Bay each year
Chemicals in Bay Area fish are known to cause cancer, birth defects, and other health problems in humans

For decades, little was done to address the increased concentration of pollutants, intrusion of salt water, and the resulting diminished water quality in the Bay-Delta. In the early 1990s, the state was finally forced to adopt water quality standards, partly because of the drastic decline in once-robust populations of spring-run Chinook salmon and Delta smelt. The Sierra Club continues to press on state and federal officials to live up to their obligations to protect and restore the Bay-Delta. By protecting water quality and flows in the Delta and its watershed, we are working to protect the health of Californians and the environment at the same time.

There is no water, not because there is no water but because a judge, one environmental activist judge turned the water off to protect the delta smelt.

If the EPA was necesssary at one time it has long since become too powerful and destructive.

Environmentalists, particularly San Francisco environmentalists really don't care that workers in the Central valley now depend on food aid, much of it bought really cheap from China. Neither do they care that Americans now depend on Chile for produce. Let's put it this way, those the can afford it, but available foreign produce from Chile and New Zealand, the poor depend on what's bought as cheap as possible from China and India with whatever environmental controls those countries find appropriate.

Ah, so you deny the existance of the Chinook Salmon? Or the California fishermen that are losing their livilihoood because of the overuse of the water?

All that 'poor farmers and migrant worker' boohoo crap you are spooning out is naught but bullshit to cover for breaking the EPA so that the historical polluters can go back to their old ways.

Life is tough, and full of hard choices. We have the choice between losing the fisheries, giving the cities and industries far less water, or completely destroying the fish runs and habitat of the wetlands of that area. We have already taken from the environment in a huge manner, time take from the cities and agriculture to protect the environment. The environment that provides fish and other foodstocks.