The Elephant (no pun intended!) in the Democratic Party Room

[Mac1958]

Link: Who will turn the Democrats around?

Rather than climate change and elite conceptions of “social justice,” the party should give priority to raising living standards for working families, creating better alternatives to college for acquiring in-demand skills, lowering their tax and regulatory burdens, making government work better and get things done faster, and, in the cultural realm, elevating our common American identity over disparate tribal identities.

But who has the authority and the ability to make all this happen? The best answer is elected Democrats. Unlike activists, constituency groups, media pundits, think tanks, foundations and academics, they get a reality test in public sentiment every two, four and six years when they face the voters.

Fortunately, the party has an abundance of talent, especially among governors like Colorado’s Jared Polis, Pennsylvania’s Josh Shapiro, Michigan’s Gretchen Whitmer, Kentucky’s Andy Beshear, as well as newcomers like North Carolina’s Josh Stein and former governors like Rhode Island’s Gina Raimondo. There are also rising stars within the House New Democratic Coalition and the Senate.

It could be one of these names. I'm familiar with a few of them. No doubt Pete Buttigieg would be in the mix. Are any of them dynamic enough to take the reins? Do they NEED to be dynamic?

 

[berg80]

Hume is being ridiculous. Trump & Co are going to treat this time as if he has a mandate from 90% of the electorate.

Of course they are. They would be doing so even if he lost the popular vote again. The exercise of power needs no justification for trump. Only obtaining the power is important.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Of course they are. They would be doing so even if he lost the popular vote again. The exercise of power needs no justification for trump. Only obtaining the power is important.

You demented LEFT better drop your COMMUNISM or your party DIES ALONG WITH IT.

 

[Hellokitty]

I have no issue with a repudiation of identity politics. I'm just not so sure about the abyss. As has been the case in the previous two elections a change in a relatively small number of votes in a few swing states, this time around it was 237K votes in three states, and Harris is the prez. She outperformed Biden's approval rating by about 8%. Unheard of in modern US politics. In part due to her opponent's epic lack of fitness and the policies he espoused.

Without COVID you don't get a generational spike in inflation, or such large deficit spending to keep the economy afloat. Even under those circumstances, with Dems wrongly being blamed for the aforementioned spike, they came within a few seats of taking back the House. Progressive Dem's having won elections in districts trump carried.

​ Across the national battlefield, House Democrats outperformed the top of the ticket by running authentic, locally-focused campaigns, as highlighted in new reporting from the Washington Post. House Democrats’ focus on pocketbook issues, putting an “emphasis on border security,” and “defying” the national party in support of their communities helped them win competitive races – despite top-of-ticket headwinds. So far, “at least nine House Democrats… won in districts that Trump carried this year” as a result of this work.

Washington Post: “How Democrats won in districts Trump carried” - DCCC

Across the national battlefield, House Democrats outperformed the top of the ticket by running authentic, locally-focused campaigns, as highlighted in new reporting from the Washington Post. House Democrats’ focus on pocketbook issues, putting an “emphasis on border security,” and “defying” the...

dccc.org

On issues like abortion, gun control, the environment, healthcare, and mass deportation, Repub's positions are not held by a majority of Americans.

Hume warns Trump team not to treat win as mandate​

Fox News’s chief political analyst, Brit Hume, cautioned President-elect Trump not to proceed in his second term with the mindset that the American people elected him in a landslide and gave him a mandate to push through partisan policies.

“This was a clear and convincing win for Mr. Trump, to be sure, and — particularly when you think of all the stuff that had been thrown at him as he tried to be elected again — it’s impressive,” Hume said Monday on “Special Report” with Bret Baier.

“But whether it is a landslide producing a mandate is another matter,” he added.

Hume noted that while “we don’t elect people based on the popular vote,” Trump, by some updated counts, has dropped below 50 percent, and the popular vote “is one way to measure whether somebody has won a landslide.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4997824-fox-news-hume-trump-mandate/

Just sayin'.

It's so weird how the left who said TRUMP will be a dictator seems to think he's going to listen to them telling him he doesn't have a mandate.

 

[hadit]

I have no issue with a repudiation of identity politics. I'm just not so sure about the abyss. As has been the case in the previous two elections a change in a relatively small number of votes in a few swing states, this time around it was 237K votes in three states, and Harris is the prez. She outperformed Biden's approval rating by about 8%. Unheard of in modern US politics. In part due to her opponent's epic lack of fitness and the policies he espoused.

Without COVID you don't get a generational spike in inflation, or such large deficit spending to keep the economy afloat. Even under those circumstances, with Dems wrongly being blamed for the aforementioned spike, they came within a few seats of taking back the House. Progressive Dem's having won elections in districts trump carried.

​ Across the national battlefield, House Democrats outperformed the top of the ticket by running authentic, locally-focused campaigns, as highlighted in new reporting from the Washington Post. House Democrats’ focus on pocketbook issues, putting an “emphasis on border security,” and “defying” the national party in support of their communities helped them win competitive races – despite top-of-ticket headwinds. So far, “at least nine House Democrats… won in districts that Trump carried this year” as a result of this work.

Washington Post: “How Democrats won in districts Trump carried” - DCCC

Across the national battlefield, House Democrats outperformed the top of the ticket by running authentic, locally-focused campaigns, as highlighted in new reporting from the Washington Post. House Democrats’ focus on pocketbook issues, putting an “emphasis on border security,” and “defying” the...

dccc.org

On issues like abortion, gun control, the environment, healthcare, and mass deportation, Repub's positions are not held by a majority of Americans.

Hume warns Trump team not to treat win as mandate​

Fox News’s chief political analyst, Brit Hume, cautioned President-elect Trump not to proceed in his second term with the mindset that the American people elected him in a landslide and gave him a mandate to push through partisan policies.

“This was a clear and convincing win for Mr. Trump, to be sure, and — particularly when you think of all the stuff that had been thrown at him as he tried to be elected again — it’s impressive,” Hume said Monday on “Special Report” with Bret Baier.

“But whether it is a landslide producing a mandate is another matter,” he added.

Hume noted that while “we don’t elect people based on the popular vote,” Trump, by some updated counts, has dropped below 50 percent, and the popular vote “is one way to measure whether somebody has won a landslide.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4997824-fox-news-hume-trump-mandate/

Just sayin'.

You keep harping on TRUMP!'s supposed lack of fitness while ignoring the reality that Harris was possibly the WORST candidate the democrats could possibly have fielded. I believe the ONLY reason the convention wasn't open was her access to QPJ's war chest, and why she was foisted on the democrat voters. She gave the voters absolutely no confidence that she could stare down Putin or Xi or handle any crisis more serious than someone wearing white after Labor Day.

Democrats DO face a serious sea change that is causing the blue-collar middle class to shift more to the GOP. Think about it, what are we seeing from the leftist talking heads and leftists here on this board? A few reasonable voices urging self-reflection and a return to issues that matter to the average voter, but more very loud voices condemning, mocking, disparaging, and in general putting down the average voter, his family and his dog. The average guy just wants to have a fair shot at making a life for his family and doesn't want a bunch of SJW's shoving their agenda into his life and telling him he's <fill in favorite "ist" label here> for rejecting it.

Republicans are poised to pick those voters up.

 

[Lisa558]

It's so weird how the left who said TRUMP will be a dictator seems to think he's going to listen to them telling him he doesn't have a mandate.

Also weird is how the Left who was pushing through unwanted policies as if they had a mandate is now saying that Trump does not have a mandate.

 

[Lisa558]

You keep harping on TRUMP!'s supposed lack of fitness while ignoring the reality that Harris was possibly the WORST candidate the democrats could possibly have fielded. I believe the ONLY reason the convention wasn't open was her access to QPJ's war chest, and why she was foisted on the democrat voters. She gave the voters absolutely no confidence that she could stare down Putin or Xi or handle any crisis more serious than someone wearing white after Labor Day.

Democrats DO face a serious sea change that is causing the blue-collar middle class to shift more to the GOP. Think about it, what are we seeing from the leftist talking heads and leftists here on this board? A few reasonable voices urging self-reflection and a return to issues that matter to the average voter, but more very loud voices condemning, mocking, disparaging, and in general putting down the average voter, his family and his dog. The average guy just wants to have a fair shot at making a life for his family and doesn't want a bunch of SJW's shoving their agenda into his life and telling him he's <fill in favorite "ist" label here> for rejecting it.

Republicans are poised to pick those voters up.

To your last sentence, they already have and will continue to do so unless the Left faces the reasons they were kicked to the curb.

 

[berg80]

2024 Post-Election Survey: The Reasons for Voting for Trump and Harris | Navigator

Report on voters' top reasons for supporting Donald Trump or Kamala Harris, including perceptions of how each candidate prioritized issues.

navigatorresearch.org

 

[WelfareQueen]

As the Democratic Party looks around and finds itself in the political abyss, I'm starting to see some folks ask about who is going to lead them out of that abyss.

Personally, I think that if the person or people behind whom they rally keeps them on the same path that got them here, they're going to stay here. That means the new leader(s) of the party have to focus squarely on the Middle Class (if it isn't too late), and run directly away from the Identity Politics & Political Correctness that largely put them in this mess.

"But we DO support the Middle Class!" they'll say. To which I would respond, "no, when you were screaming RACISM and HOMOPHOBIA and TOXIC MASCULINITY at people, when you were wrecking their careers and their businesses because they "offended" you, many of those people WERE the Middle Class. And who came running to defend them? The Republicans. MAKE UP YOUR MIND."

So, Democrats, which direction should the party take, and who do you see as your new possible leaders?

Democrats are again ‘in between leaders’ as Biden prepares to leave office - Roll Call

Democrats are once again without a head honcho as Joe Biden prepares to leave office and hand the reins to Donald Trump.

rollcall.com

Identity Politics is religion to Dims and the Dim Party. It is like a drug. It trumps (pun intended) everything in their universe. They are both unwilling and unable to change.

 

[marvin martian]

As the Democratic Party looks around and finds itself in the political abyss, I'm starting to see some folks ask about who is going to lead them out of that abyss.

Personally, I think that if the person or people behind whom they rally keeps them on the same path that got them here, they're going to stay here. That means the new leader(s) of the party have to focus squarely on the Middle Class (if it isn't too late), and run directly away from the Identity Politics & Political Correctness that largely put them in this mess.

"But we DO support the Middle Class!" they'll say. To which I would respond, "no, when you were screaming RACISM and HOMOPHOBIA and TOXIC MASCULINITY at people, when you were wrecking their careers and their businesses because they "offended" you, many of those people WERE the Middle Class. And who came running to defend them? The Republicans. MAKE UP YOUR MIND."

So, Democrats, which direction should the party take, and who do you see as your new possible leaders?

Democrats are again ‘in between leaders’ as Biden prepares to leave office - Roll Call

Democrats are once again without a head honcho as Joe Biden prepares to leave office and hand the reins to Donald Trump.

rollcall.com

And you STILL voted for them. LOL

 

[marvin martian]

As the Democratic Party looks around and finds itself in the political abyss, I'm starting to see some folks ask about who is going to lead them out of that abyss.

Personally, I think that if the person or people behind whom they rally keeps them on the same path that got them here, they're going to stay here. That means the new leader(s) of the party have to focus squarely on the Middle Class (if it isn't too late), and run directly away from the Identity Politics & Political Correctness that largely put them in this mess.

"But we DO support the Middle Class!" they'll say. To which I would respond, "no, when you were screaming RACISM and HOMOPHOBIA and TOXIC MASCULINITY at people, when you were wrecking their careers and their businesses because they "offended" you, many of those people WERE the Middle Class. And who came running to defend them? The Republicans. MAKE UP YOUR MIND."

So, Democrats, which direction should the party take, and who do you see as your new possible leaders?

Democrats are again ‘in between leaders’ as Biden prepares to leave office - Roll Call

Democrats are once again without a head honcho as Joe Biden prepares to leave office and hand the reins to Donald Trump.

rollcall.com

You're already doubling down on everything that caused you to lose it all. The hate, the violence, the racism, the trans insanity, the pedophilia, the anti-Semitism. Everything that's come to define the DemoKKKrat party.

Your party did a poll for a 2028 candidate, and Kamala Harris won in a landslide.

 

[Rawley]

I have no issue with a repudiation of identity politics.

You should. You've established the radical left as your base. You lose them, you're never getting elected again.

 

[berg80]

You should. You've established the radical left as your base. You lose them, you're never getting elected again.

trump's margin over Harris was about 1.6 percentage points, the third smallest since 1888, and could ultimately end up around 1.5 points.

 

[berg80]

You should. You've established the radical left as your base. You lose them, you're never getting elected again.

You'd be surprised what my views are on a number of issues.

 

[Mac1958]

You'd be surprised what my views are on a number of issues.

You know their rule: You can only be (a) a blind Trumpster or (b) an evil commie.

 

[berg80]

You know their rule: You can only be (a) a blind Trumpster or (b) an evil commie.

As you pointed out, binary thinking. Either you're all in or you're a heretic.

BTW, I counted the number of Crazies I have on ignore the other day. 54. It makes dealing with the less egregiously Crazy more tolerable.

 

[marvin martian]

As you pointed out, binary thinking. Either you're all in or you're a heretic.

BTW, I counted the number of Crazies I have on ignore the other day. 54. It makes dealing with the less egregiously Crazy more tolerable.

What a coward you are.

 

[Rawley]

trump's margin over Harris was about 1.6 percentage points, the third smallest since 1888, and could ultimately end up around 1.5 points.

Dude. Every single state swung Repub. He ran every swing state. He won the Senate, big. He kept and probably increased the Repub margin in the House.

Majority of America has repudiated your party's policies and ideology - which are, for the mast part, the ideology and policies of your radical base. You reject the base and you will lose every election for some time.

 

[dblack]

I’d say they have to focus primarily on the working class - the ones struggling most under Democrat policies.

Focusing on the working class, or the middle class or any "class" is, still, identity politics.

 

[Hum Dinger]

As the Democratic Party looks around and finds itself in the political abyss, I'm starting to see some folks ask about who is going to lead them out of that abyss.

Personally, I think that if the person or people behind whom they rally keeps them on the same path that got them here, they're going to stay here. That means the new leader(s) of the party have to focus squarely on the Middle Class (if it isn't too late), and run directly away from the Identity Politics & Political Correctness that largely put them in this mess.

"But we DO support the Middle Class!" they'll say. To which I would respond, "no, when you were screaming RACISM and HOMOPHOBIA and TOXIC MASCULINITY at people, when you were wrecking their careers and their businesses because they "offended" you, many of those people WERE the Middle Class. And who came running to defend them? The Republicans. MAKE UP YOUR MIND."

So, Democrats, which direction should the party take, and who do you see as your new possible leaders?

Democrats are again ‘in between leaders’ as Biden prepares to leave office - Roll Call

Democrats are once again without a head honcho as Joe Biden prepares to leave office and hand the reins to Donald Trump.

rollcall.com

There's an abundance of young talented people in the Democratic party. The question isn't "who could be a great Democratic party leader". The question is "how do the Dems eject the current entrenched leadership"?