The Elephant in the Room: Black Violence, Illegitimacy, and Educational Failure

[TheGreenHornet]

About a servant class.

Wow, this thinking is an economic disaster, "Any advanced civilization must have a servant class." The economic thinking here is, we must have a group of people that we can screw over, force to live in poverty; possibly go without healthcare and food.

No such country can call themselves a Christian nation.

News flash, we do not have to do as we do now - force society to follow the dictates of the economy, which includes the desire for some to have a poor class. We could do it the other way around and force the economy to meet the needs of the people in the society, which our current system certainly does not do.

PS: I should point out, the reason for always having a servant class is "advanced civilizations" have only had experience with three economic systems: slavery, the feudal system of lords and serfs, and capitalism. A servant class in the first two systems is obvious! Our current experience demonstrated it is true for capitalism.
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Obviously you know little about history and less about economics......I should not waste my time on this but for the edification of others....there has never been an advanced civilization in the history of the world ....including now that did not have a servant class. Look at China(actual slaves) Look at any country in Europe...muslims mainly....that is why the Elitists allowed them to come in ...for the cheap labor...same way with America.....when the liberals began to institute programs that gave the Negroes government subsidies to the extent they no longer had much of an incentive to work....we began to allow illegal mexicans to take the jobs Negroes formerly did....aka the low paying and dirty jobs.....every civilization must have someone to do the dirty work and take the low paying jobs.....and it is very important...if not for the mexicans do you realize you would not even have produce on your table....the costs would be prohibitive. The poor have always been with us ......Communism made a lot of promises to the working classes of the world....but when they got power....nothing changed....the poor were still poor and the middle class was stricken with poverty and starvation also....look what is happening in socialist venezeuala

Attack capitalism if you must but that system of economics has helped more people than any other economic system on earth. Look at all the failed socialist/communistic countries....not one has been successful.

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Well, again about slaves, you cannot call yourself a Christian or even humane ifyou subscribe to the idea that we must have a class that we can exploit. Of course you think this is okay, because you believe you are not in that class.

Your defenses little different from the slave owners of the south saying that slavery is a must - for the good of society, for the good of the slaves who cannot care for themselves, and all of the other reasons.

About economics, you were the one who did not know that advanced civilization have only used three different systems, and you are the one who does not have enough of an imagination to envision something better.

About Mexicans replacing Negros, that did not happen here in Iowa. Cheap labor was used to destroy, for example, the meat packing plant unions. In the early 70s, meat packing plants paid $15/hr - which is equal to over $80/hr in today's wages, and those were white Americans who lost their jobs.

And finally, about socialist Venezuela, you do not know economics nor do you know what is going on. First, much of Venezuela's problem is not from it social program, but from the very capitalist problem of "Dutch Disease" - which happens to every resource rich country operating under capitalism. Dutch Disease destroyed Venezuela's agriculture.

Also regarding Venezuela and other countries that you may think are communist, any country that does anything socialist, such as nationalize their natural resources (e.g. oil) so the wealth can be spent on the citizen, will have the US send in the CIA or other forces and overthrow their government. If you do not understand how this has been done in South and Central America, you have not been paying attention.

PS: Currently, in Venezuela, there are forces intentionally forcing down the value of their currency. Try reading the article below!

Currency Abuse Driving Venezuela's Inflation: Central Bank

 

[TheParser]

Re: the thread title

1. By definition, "the elephant in the room" is something that people know about but do not talk about.

2. In the bad old days (before the 1960s), the media regularly identified crime suspects by background: "Joe Blow, a Martian, has been arrested for stealing a donut."

3. Since the 1960s, however, the media have decided certain elephants in the room should remain elephants in the room, i.e., one should not mention them.

a. I got a big laugh last year. A free community newspaper started printing the crime log of the Beverly Hills, California, police department.

i. For example: "The suspect is male, about 5' 9", about 135 lbs., and a Martian." Whoa! I said to myself. Are they crazy? They can't do that. That newspaper will be flooded by protest calls. Yep! The next week, all references to people from Mars or any other planet were deleted. So presumably, we were expected to be on the lookout for a male from any planet who fit that description.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Well, again about slaves, you cannot call yourself a Christian or even humane ifyou subscribe to the idea that we must have a class that we can exploit. Of course you think this is okay, because you believe you are not in that class.

Your defenses little different from the slave owners of the south saying that slavery is a must - for the good of society, for the good of the slaves who cannot care for themselves, and all of the other reasons.

About economics, you were the one who did not know that advanced civilization have only used three different systems, and you are the one who does not have enough of an imagination to envision something better.

About Mexicans replacing Negros, that did not happen here in Iowa. Cheap labor was used to destroy, for example, the meat packing plant unions. In the early 70s, meat packing plants paid $15/hr - which is equal to over $80/hr in today's wages, and those were white Americans who lost their jobs.

And finally, about socialist Venezuela, you do not know economics nor do you know what is going on. First, much of Venezuela's problem is not from it social program, but from the very capitalist problem of "Dutch Disease" - which happens to every resource rich country operating under capitalism. Dutch Disease destroyed Venezuela's agriculture.

Also regarding Venezuela and other countries that you may think are communist, any country that does anything socialist, such as nationalize their natural resources (e.g. oil) so the wealth can be spent on the citizen, will have the US send in the CIA or other forces and overthrow their government. If you do not understand how this has been done in South and Central America, you have not been paying attention.

PS: Currently, in Venezuela, there are forces intentionally forcing down the value of their currency. Try reading the article below!

Currency Abuse Driving Venezuela's Inflation: Central Bank

It has been seen you know little about history and less about economics and now you reveal your ignorance in regards to Christianity.....Slavery is not condemned anywhere in the HolyScriptures...........do you know what Jesus said in regards to slaves? Of course not.

Let me enlighten you................Jesus Says
["Suppose one of you had a servant plowing or looking after the sheep. Would he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, 'Come along now and sit down to eat'? [8] Would he not rather say, 'Prepare my supper, get yourself ready and wait on me while I eat and drink; after that you may eat and drink'? [9] Would he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? [10] So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.' "

Jesus never condemned slavery. One of his most important lessons -- humble servanthood -- that Jesus taught in this brief Parable of the Dutiful Servant.

Today of course most abhor slavery thinking in terms of Black Slaves down South prior to the War Between the states.....and unfortunately not knowing anything about it....letting their opinion be determined by Hollywood which is fiction. Not even to mention most liberals have no problem with mexican illegals coming up here to be our servants...in fact they want to let in more....anyone opposed to servant-hood should be opposed to that but of course they are not....demonstrating their hypocrisy . Also....anyone truly knoledgable about life down South during the era of legal slavery....knows the great majority of Slaveowners were upstanding Citizens and devoted Christians.

All you are doing is revealing how well you are indoctrinated into the philosophy of political correctness....which is falsehood and where does this falsehood come from...Satan via Marxism. Like so many today you no doubt picked up your admiration of Socialism/Marxism whilst in school....not understanding you were essentially being brainwashed.

Anyhow as said every advanced civilization had slaves or something very similar. Think of European Serfs, or the immigrant factory workers in the Northern US towns throughout the Industrial Revolution. Ever heard of indentured servanthood? Likely but unlikely you understand the true nature of it....slaves in everything but name....that is how most who came over here from England in the early days paid for their passage....signed up to be servants. Perhaps Not exactly slaves, but the employers controlled all the money, owned the housing, owned the stores, controlled the wages (and therefore controlled exactly how much those people were able to own),controlled the judicial system(indentured servants were essentially at the mercy of their master) and had political control of the areas. So you’ve got this “ok it’s not quite slavery but how exactly is it different?” dynamic going on there. It’s worth noting, too, that many people today (even in non-slave-owning nations) still benefit from some cheap products associated with slavery. For example, look at the Burmese fish slaves who catch lots of the fish and shrimp used in human food like sushi and canned tuna, and fish-flavored pet food. Etc.etc. and so on and so forth. Look how people flock to walmart for the cheap chinese goods produced by lowly paid servants.

The Forgotten Slaves: Whites in Servitude in Early America and Industrial Britain

Socialism Has Destroyed Venezuela

Slavery Today: Countries With The Most Modern Slaves

 

[Manonthestreet]

Obama has done nothing to rectify the many problems plaguing the black community, in fact under his watch things have only gotten worse. Higher black unemployment, lower black national test scores, higher blacks on food stamps and other government assistance, ect, ect.

Obozo wants people on welfare cause he knows they'll then vote dem the rest of their lives.

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Well, again about slaves, you cannot call yourself a Christian or even humane ifyou subscribe to the idea that we must have a class that we can exploit. Of course you think this is okay, because you believe you are not in that class.

Your defenses little different from the slave owners of the south saying that slavery is a must - for the good of society, for the good of the slaves who cannot care for themselves, and all of the other reasons.

About economics, you were the one who did not know that advanced civilization have only used three different systems, and you are the one who does not have enough of an imagination to envision something better.

About Mexicans replacing Negros, that did not happen here in Iowa. Cheap labor was used to destroy, for example, the meat packing plant unions. In the early 70s, meat packing plants paid $15/hr - which is equal to over $80/hr in today's wages, and those were white Americans who lost their jobs.

And finally, about socialist Venezuela, you do not know economics nor do you know what is going on. First, much of Venezuela's problem is not from it social program, but from the very capitalist problem of "Dutch Disease" - which happens to every resource rich country operating under capitalism. Dutch Disease destroyed Venezuela's agriculture.

Also regarding Venezuela and other countries that you may think are communist, any country that does anything socialist, such as nationalize their natural resources (e.g. oil) so the wealth can be spent on the citizen, will have the US send in the CIA or other forces and overthrow their government. If you do not understand how this has been done in South and Central America, you have not been paying attention.

PS: Currently, in Venezuela, there are forces intentionally forcing down the value of their currency. Try reading the article below!

Currency Abuse Driving Venezuela's Inflation: Central Bank

It has been seen you know little about history and less about economics and now you reveal your ignorance in regards to Christianity.....Slavery is not condemned anywhere in the HolyScriptures...........do you know what Jesus said in regards to slaves? Of course not.

Let me enlighten you................Jesus Says
["Suppose one of you had a servant plowing or looking after the sheep. Would he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, 'Come along now and sit down to eat'? [8] Would he not rather say, 'Prepare my supper, get yourself ready and wait on me while I eat and drink; after that you may eat and drink'? [9] Would he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? [10] So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.' "

Jesus never condemned slavery.

Today of course most abhor slavery thinking in terms of Black Slaves down South prior to the War Between the states.....and unfortunately not knowing anything about it....letting their opinion be determined by Hollywood which is mostly fiction. Not even to mention most liberals have no problem with mexican illegals coming up here to be our servants...in fact they want to let in more....anyone opposed to servant-hood should be opposed to that but of course they are not....demonstrating their hypocrisy .One of the discipleship's most important lessons -- humble servanthood -- that Jesus teaches in this brief Parable of the Dutiful Servants. Also....anyone truly knoledgable about life down South during the era of legal slavery....the great majority of Slaveowners were upstanding Citizens and devoted Christians. All you are doing is revealing how well you are indoctrinated into the philosophy of political correctness....which is falsehood and where does this falsehood come from...Satan via Marxism. Like so many today you no doubt picked up your admiration of Socialism/Marxism whilst in school....not understanding you were essentially being brainwashed.

Anyhow as said every advanced civilization had slaves or something very similar. Think of European Serfs, or the immigrant factory workers in the Northern US towns throughout the Industrial Revolution. Ever heard of indentured servanthood? Likely but unlikely you understand the true nature of it....slaves in everything but name....that is how most who came over here from England in the early days paid for their passage....signed up to be servants. Perhaps Not exactly slaves, but the employers controlled all the money, owned the housing, owned the stores, controlled the wages (and therefore controlled exactly how much those people were able to own),controlled the judicial system(indentured servants were essentially at the mercy of their master) and had political control of the areas. So you’ve got this “ok it’s not quite slavery but how exactly is it different?” dynamic going on there. It’s worth noting, too, that many people today (even in non-slave-owning nations) still benefit from some cheap products associated with slavery. For example, look at the Burmese fish slaves who catch lots of the fish and shrimp used in human food like sushi and canned tuna, and fish-flavored pet food. Etc.etc. and so on and so forth.

The Forgotten Slaves: Whites in Servitude in Early America and Industrial Britain

Socialism Has Destroyed Venezuela

About Christianity, I do not take the Bible literally! About slavery, ask any priest or any other member of the church, all the way to the Pope, what Christians think of slavery. They will disagree with you!

Then imagine, if you are a Christian, and you die and stand before God. Then God asks, "I understand that you supported keeping other humans as slaves during your life?" Do me a favor! Make sure I am not in the room when you try to answer that one. It appears you approve of slavery, because you think it will not be you who is enslaved.

About Marx's socialism, according to America's leading Marxist, (actually NeoMarxist) economist Richard Wolff (who has economics degrees from Harvard, Stanford, and Yale) the best example of Marxist socialism in American can be found in the many "farmer cooperatives" in operation all across America.

Maybe socialism or Marxism is not what you think it is!

 

[TheGreenHornet]

Well, again about slaves, you cannot call yourself a Christian or even humane ifyou subscribe to the idea that we must have a class that we can exploit. Of course you think this is okay, because you believe you are not in that class.

Your defenses little different from the slave owners of the south saying that slavery is a must - for the good of society, for the good of the slaves who cannot care for themselves, and all of the other reasons.

About economics, you were the one who did not know that advanced civilization have only used three different systems, and you are the one who does not have enough of an imagination to envision something better.

About Mexicans replacing Negros, that did not happen here in Iowa. Cheap labor was used to destroy, for example, the meat packing plant unions. In the early 70s, meat packing plants paid $15/hr - which is equal to over $80/hr in today's wages, and those were white Americans who lost their jobs.

And finally, about socialist Venezuela, you do not know economics nor do you know what is going on. First, much of Venezuela's problem is not from it social program, but from the very capitalist problem of "Dutch Disease" - which happens to every resource rich country operating under capitalism. Dutch Disease destroyed Venezuela's agriculture.

Also regarding Venezuela and other countries that you may think are communist, any country that does anything socialist, such as nationalize their natural resources (e.g. oil) so the wealth can be spent on the citizen, will have the US send in the CIA or other forces and overthrow their government. If you do not understand how this has been done in South and Central America, you have not been paying attention.

PS: Currently, in Venezuela, there are forces intentionally forcing down the value of their currency. Try reading the article below!

Currency Abuse Driving Venezuela's Inflation: Central Bank

It has been seen you know little about history and less about economics and now you reveal your ignorance in regards to Christianity.....Slavery is not condemned anywhere in the HolyScriptures...........do you know what Jesus said in regards to slaves? Of course not.

Let me enlighten you................Jesus Says
["Suppose one of you had a servant plowing or looking after the sheep. Would he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, 'Come along now and sit down to eat'? [8] Would he not rather say, 'Prepare my supper, get yourself ready and wait on me while I eat and drink; after that you may eat and drink'? [9] Would he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? [10] So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.' "

Jesus never condemned slavery.

Today of course most abhor slavery thinking in terms of Black Slaves down South prior to the War Between the states.....and unfortunately not knowing anything about it....letting their opinion be determined by Hollywood which is mostly fiction. Not even to mention most liberals have no problem with mexican illegals coming up here to be our servants...in fact they want to let in more....anyone opposed to servant-hood should be opposed to that but of course they are not....demonstrating their hypocrisy .One of the discipleship's most important lessons -- humble servanthood -- that Jesus teaches in this brief Parable of the Dutiful Servants. Also....anyone truly knoledgable about life down South during the era of legal slavery....the great majority of Slaveowners were upstanding Citizens and devoted Christians. All you are doing is revealing how well you are indoctrinated into the philosophy of political correctness....which is falsehood and where does this falsehood come from...Satan via Marxism. Like so many today you no doubt picked up your admiration of Socialism/Marxism whilst in school....not understanding you were essentially being brainwashed.

Anyhow as said every advanced civilization had slaves or something very similar. Think of European Serfs, or the immigrant factory workers in the Northern US towns throughout the Industrial Revolution. Ever heard of indentured servanthood? Likely but unlikely you understand the true nature of it....slaves in everything but name....that is how most who came over here from England in the early days paid for their passage....signed up to be servants. Perhaps Not exactly slaves, but the employers controlled all the money, owned the housing, owned the stores, controlled the wages (and therefore controlled exactly how much those people were able to own),controlled the judicial system(indentured servants were essentially at the mercy of their master) and had political control of the areas. So you’ve got this “ok it’s not quite slavery but how exactly is it different?” dynamic going on there. It’s worth noting, too, that many people today (even in non-slave-owning nations) still benefit from some cheap products associated with slavery. For example, look at the Burmese fish slaves who catch lots of the fish and shrimp used in human food like sushi and canned tuna, and fish-flavored pet food. Etc.etc. and so on and so forth.

The Forgotten Slaves: Whites in Servitude in Early America and Industrial Britain

Socialism Has Destroyed Venezuela

About Christianity, I do not take the Bible literally! About slavery, ask any priest or any other member of the church, all the way to the Pope, what Christians think of slavery. They will disagree with you!

Then imagine, if you are a Christian, and you die and stand before God. Then God asks, "I understand that you supported keeping other humans as slaves during your life?" Do me a favor! Make sure I am not in the room when you try to answer that one. It appears you approve of slavery, because you think it will not be you who is enslaved.

About Marx's socialism, according to America's leading Marxist, (actually NeoMarxist) economist Richard Wolff (who has economics degrees from Harvard, Stanford, and Yale) the best example of Marxist socialism in American can be found in the many "farmer cooperatives" in operation all across America.

Maybe socialism or Marxism is not what you think it is!

Catholicism is paganism....they do not follow the Holy Scriptures. The pope is a marxist. case closed. Again...........you should really read the Scriptures before you try to place something there that is not there. The communist doctrine was famous for it's slogan of ......"from each according to his ability....to each according to his need" The problem with that of course is that it does not take into account human nature. That is why communism has always failed. Now you will find some isolated pockets of economic organizations here and there that might sound like socialism to those who want to think that....and some would even claim that social security is marxist .....and there are some isolated examples of socialism that have actually worked aka the kibbutzim in Israel.....but a state or nation that totally embraces and is dedicated to socialism or communism and forces everyone in the state to kowtow to socialism/marxism/communism quickly descends to totalitarianism and a failed state is the result. Of course there is no perfect economic system on this earth...but Capitalism by far has benefited the most people and allowed them the most freedom.

“The key to understanding Marxism's renaissance in the west,” a 2012 article in The Guardian noted, is that, “for younger people, it is untainted by association with Stalinist gulags.” This retrospective amnesia alternately reveals a generational ignorance about the ideology and nature of communism as well as evidence of the need to educate the public about its horrors.


Never forget: A memorial to Communism's 100 million dead

Economics Paper: Why Capitalism Is the Best Economical System?

Roman Catholicism -Christian or Pagan?

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

Well, again about slaves, you cannot call yourself a Christian or even humane ifyou subscribe to the idea that we must have a class that we can exploit. Of course you think this is okay, because you believe you are not in that class.

Your defenses little different from the slave owners of the south saying that slavery is a must - for the good of society, for the good of the slaves who cannot care for themselves, and all of the other reasons.

About economics, you were the one who did not know that advanced civilization have only used three different systems, and you are the one who does not have enough of an imagination to envision something better.

About Mexicans replacing Negros, that did not happen here in Iowa. Cheap labor was used to destroy, for example, the meat packing plant unions. In the early 70s, meat packing plants paid $15/hr - which is equal to over $80/hr in today's wages, and those were white Americans who lost their jobs.

And finally, about socialist Venezuela, you do not know economics nor do you know what is going on. First, much of Venezuela's problem is not from it social program, but from the very capitalist problem of "Dutch Disease" - which happens to every resource rich country operating under capitalism. Dutch Disease destroyed Venezuela's agriculture.

Also regarding Venezuela and other countries that you may think are communist, any country that does anything socialist, such as nationalize their natural resources (e.g. oil) so the wealth can be spent on the citizen, will have the US send in the CIA or other forces and overthrow their government. If you do not understand how this has been done in South and Central America, you have not been paying attention.

PS: Currently, in Venezuela, there are forces intentionally forcing down the value of their currency. Try reading the article below!

Currency Abuse Driving Venezuela's Inflation: Central Bank

It has been seen you know little about history and less about economics and now you reveal your ignorance in regards to Christianity.....Slavery is not condemned anywhere in the HolyScriptures...........do you know what Jesus said in regards to slaves? Of course not.

Let me enlighten you................Jesus Says
["Suppose one of you had a servant plowing or looking after the sheep. Would he say to the servant when he comes in from the field, 'Come along now and sit down to eat'? [8] Would he not rather say, 'Prepare my supper, get yourself ready and wait on me while I eat and drink; after that you may eat and drink'? [9] Would he thank the servant because he did what he was told to do? [10] So you also, when you have done everything you were told to do, should say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.' "

Jesus never condemned slavery.

Today of course most abhor slavery thinking in terms of Black Slaves down South prior to the War Between the states.....and unfortunately not knowing anything about it....letting their opinion be determined by Hollywood which is mostly fiction. Not even to mention most liberals have no problem with mexican illegals coming up here to be our servants...in fact they want to let in more....anyone opposed to servant-hood should be opposed to that but of course they are not....demonstrating their hypocrisy .One of the discipleship's most important lessons -- humble servanthood -- that Jesus teaches in this brief Parable of the Dutiful Servants. Also....anyone truly knoledgable about life down South during the era of legal slavery....the great majority of Slaveowners were upstanding Citizens and devoted Christians. All you are doing is revealing how well you are indoctrinated into the philosophy of political correctness....which is falsehood and where does this falsehood come from...Satan via Marxism. Like so many today you no doubt picked up your admiration of Socialism/Marxism whilst in school....not understanding you were essentially being brainwashed.

Anyhow as said every advanced civilization had slaves or something very similar. Think of European Serfs, or the immigrant factory workers in the Northern US towns throughout the Industrial Revolution. Ever heard of indentured servanthood? Likely but unlikely you understand the true nature of it....slaves in everything but name....that is how most who came over here from England in the early days paid for their passage....signed up to be servants. Perhaps Not exactly slaves, but the employers controlled all the money, owned the housing, owned the stores, controlled the wages (and therefore controlled exactly how much those people were able to own),controlled the judicial system(indentured servants were essentially at the mercy of their master) and had political control of the areas. So you’ve got this “ok it’s not quite slavery but how exactly is it different?” dynamic going on there. It’s worth noting, too, that many people today (even in non-slave-owning nations) still benefit from some cheap products associated with slavery. For example, look at the Burmese fish slaves who catch lots of the fish and shrimp used in human food like sushi and canned tuna, and fish-flavored pet food. Etc.etc. and so on and so forth.

The Forgotten Slaves: Whites in Servitude in Early America and Industrial Britain

Socialism Has Destroyed Venezuela

About Christianity, I do not take the Bible literally! About slavery, ask any priest or any other member of the church, all the way to the Pope, what Christians think of slavery. They will disagree with you!

Then imagine, if you are a Christian, and you die and stand before God. Then God asks, "I understand that you supported keeping other humans as slaves during your life?" Do me a favor! Make sure I am not in the room when you try to answer that one. It appears you approve of slavery, because you think it will not be you who is enslaved.

About Marx's socialism, according to America's leading Marxist, (actually NeoMarxist) economist Richard Wolff (who has economics degrees from Harvard, Stanford, and Yale) the best example of Marxist socialism in American can be found in the many "farmer cooperatives" in operation all across America.

Maybe socialism or Marxism is not what you think it is!

Catholicism is paganism....they do not follow the Holy Scriptures. The pope is a marxist. case closed. Again...........you should really read the Scriptures before you try to place something there that is not there. The communist doctrine was famous for it's slogan of ......"from each according to his ability....to each according to his need" The problem with that of course is that it does not take into account human nature. That is why communism has always failed. Now you will find some isolated pockets of economic organizations here and there that might sound like socialism to those who want to think that....and some would even claim that social security is marxist .....and there are some isolated examples of socialism that have actually worked aka the kibbutzim in Israel.....but a state or nation that totally embraces and is dedicated to socialism or communism and forces everyone in the state to kowtow to socialism/marxism/communism quickly descends to totalitarianism and a failed state is the result. Of course there is no perfect economic system on this earth...but Capitalism by far has benefited the most people and allowed them the most freedom.

“The key to understanding Marxism's renaissance in the west,” a 2012 article in The Guardian noted, is that, “for younger people, it is untainted by association with Stalinist gulags.” This retrospective amnesia alternately reveals a generational ignorance about the ideology and nature of communism as well as evidence of the need to educate the public about its horrors.


Never forget: A memorial to Communism's 100 million dead

Economics Paper: Why Capitalism Is the Best Economical System?

Roman Catholicism -Christian or Pagan?

Well, we can drop the issue of religion, because of this comment, "Catholicism is paganism." It is not! Yet, beyond that, Christianity is the source of America's value system. If you think it is not, tell me the origin of America's family values. With or without religion those values are not consistent with capitalism.

About taking "into account human nature", humans are social creatures, and capitalism is not social. Or as Margaret Thatcher, a big supporter of Neoliberl capitalism, said, "They are casting their problems at society. And, you know, there's no such thing as society. There are individual men and women and there are families."

About, "some would even claim that social security is Marxist", no! Social Security is socialist, but Marx was not talking about issues like Social Security. If you read Marx, this is clear.

About "there are some isolated examples of socialism that have actually worked", there are thousands of successful small businesses all across the planet. Yet, I can even give you an example of a large corporation that is Marxist - that is, worker owned and managed. You need to read on the history of the Mondragon Corporation of Spain.

About "a state or nation that . . . forces everyone in the state to kowtow to socialism/marxism/communism quickly descends to totalitarianism", Again, any state, for the last 100 years, that has tried socialism has been destroyed by America's policy of "regime change." But worse, America's capitalism is descending into an oligarchy, and, if you cannot see that, you are not paying attention.

About "Capitalism by far has benefited the most people and allowed them the most freedom", actually, it is not capitalism, but technology that has made life better. Plus, the technology, in America, is based on government supported research through our university system. The iPhone is a good example, virtually every component in the phone, from silicon chips to GPS, was invented by way of government research. All Steve Jobs ever did was take existing components and put them together into a new product. He "invented" nothing new.

About "Stalinist gulags", Russia was never Marxist, particularly starting with Stalin. Read Marx and you will know this. It is like saying China's economy is "communist", because the country is called "Communist China." News flash, China has no, that would be zero, social safety net.

And finally, about "nature of communism”, clearly you have not read Marx. Yet, 150 years after he wrote, Marx is still influencing the world. Maybe Marx has more to say than you think. You should try reading Marx directly rather than listening to what others have to say about him.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

'The collapse of Marxism as a compelling ideology and political force is one of the most important developments in the history of twentieth-century Europe.'

'Marxism is impossible to achieve because it requires that everyone be equal'.

Yet..........liberals/progressives/socialists still preach this nonsense. Lest we forget political correctness still dominates the American landscape and its origin is cultural marxism.....thus we see despite the failures of marxism/socialism, communism the ideology is still very much with us....it accomplishes nothing but to retard society and act as a stumbling block and the liberals who have embraced it have succeded in bringing America to the brink of collapse........lest we forget when Obama promised to fundamentally change America....he meant to destroy it-- as most have known and loved it.

Invariably....people who initiate marxist movements have taken more power for themselves, made themselves and their cohorts rulers, and then made everyone else conform to their ideals in a communist society.

'Marxism was not an accident that simply happened in Eastern Europe. It was the culmination of a process, the end result of a movement that began five centuries ago in the Renaissance. Josef Tson & Paul Negrut, “The World After the Collapse of Marxism and the Failure of Secularism (The Laing Lecture for 1992),” Vox Evangelica 22 (1992): 25-34. The belief that God was the source and ruler of the universe was rejected and humanity took its place as the centre of attention, fit to decide its own destiny. Human reason became autonomous, the supreme authority, and so the philosophy of humanism was born. Socialist movements began to emerge, along with Darwinism and the theory of evolution. First Marx and then Lenin took these concepts and others welded them into a process: illuminism, rationalism, positivism, and the Hegelian dialectic wedded to materialism, producing a system that would be completely closed towards God, but open to humanity: atheistic Marxism. This development was not an Eastern European phenomenon. It took place in the West, and was transplanted into the East by Lenin, who gave to it the power that went with the installation of a totalitarian regime. In the West the development has been a process of gradual secularisation. It took place in the universities first, and it produced the so-called ‘scientific’ understanding of the world and of life. From the universities it then permeated general Western culture, the media, and politics.'

https://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/vox/vol22/marxism_tson-negrut.pdf

Why Race Matters - American Renaissance

 

[LuckyDuck]

The media has actively ignored and censored literally thousands of news reports of racial violence perpetrated at the hands of black youth (Should race play a role in how the media reports crime? - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com). I could post story after story of black mobs attacking white victims, some left brain damaged and permanently handicapped, but I already know the predictable reaction to this fact is, so instead of posting those stories I would rather anyone post a story of white mobs selectively targeting blacks to batter, assault, and rob. Just one.

In Atlanta an entire county lost their accreditation, that’s right all public schools in a district upwards of 80% black lost their accreditation—and another Atlanta county, Dekalb, is on the verge of the same. Atlanta’s city schools, again predominately black, committed the largest cheating scandal in American history, swindling tens of millions of federal dollars. Atlanta is graduating high school students that are reading at a sixth grade level. In New York City 80% of high school graduates are functionally illiterate. (80% of NYC High School Grads Not Illiterate -- Daily Intelligencer) One more fact, all of these predominately black school districts are run by black democrats that are incapable or unwilling to do anything to reform these failing systems. Every single teacher and administrator that was implicated in the cheating scandal is black.

The statistics behind the effects of illegitimacy are staggering and undeniable. Yet, the media has praised single-motherhood in the black community for decades. 72% of black children are born out of wedlock and the profound effects of this are resonating throughout society. Absent this one statistic, crime levels between blacks and whites disappears. This is the driving force behind black poverty. There are political forces that have been actively eroding and destroying the black family since the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

“It's the courage to raise a child that makes you a father.” – President Obama

No it isn’t courageous to raise your child, it only makes you not an asshole. It is depressing that the president is so incredibly naïve.

Obama has done nothing to rectify the many problems plaguing the black community, in fact under his watch things have only gotten worse. Higher black unemployment, lower black national test scores, higher blacks on food stamps and other government assistance, ect, ect.
The problems of the black community will persist until its leaders stop playing the perpetual victim, actually admit there is a problem and look at the root causes—which is not lack of welfare, or any other public policy.

It doesn't help black students that try to succeed in school, only to be pressured by their peers to, "stop trying to be white." Thus, they shoot themselves in the foot.
I don't care what nation you live in, whether that nation is Poland, China, Nigeria, Kenya, or Russia, if you don't do well in school and don't learn to speak the primary language of the nation you live in, you will not succeed, although there are "some" exceptions (i.e., the entertainment and sports fields).

 

[IM2]

The media has actively ignored and censored literally thousands of news reports of racial violence perpetrated at the hands of black youth (Should race play a role in how the media reports crime? - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com). I could post story after story of black mobs attacking white victims, some left brain damaged and permanently handicapped, but I already know the predictable reaction to this fact is, so instead of posting those stories I would rather anyone post a story of white mobs selectively targeting blacks to batter, assault, and rob. Just one.

In Atlanta an entire county lost their accreditation, that’s right all public schools in a district upwards of 80% black lost their accreditation—and another Atlanta county, Dekalb, is on the verge of the same. Atlanta’s city schools, again predominately black, committed the largest cheating scandal in American history, swindling tens of millions of federal dollars. Atlanta is graduating high school students that are reading at a sixth grade level. In New York City 80% of high school graduates are functionally illiterate. (80% of NYC High School Grads Not Illiterate -- Daily Intelligencer) One more fact, all of these predominately black school districts are run by black democrats that are incapable or unwilling to do anything to reform these failing systems. Every single teacher and administrator that was implicated in the cheating scandal is black.

The statistics behind the effects of illegitimacy are staggering and undeniable. Yet, the media has praised single-motherhood in the black community for decades. 72% of black children are born out of wedlock and the profound effects of this are resonating throughout society. Absent this one statistic, crime levels between blacks and whites disappears. This is the driving force behind black poverty. There are political forces that have been actively eroding and destroying the black family since the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

“It's the courage to raise a child that makes you a father.” – President Obama

No it isn’t courageous to raise your child, it only makes you not an asshole. It is depressing that the president is so incredibly naïve.

Obama has done nothing to rectify the many problems plaguing the black community, in fact under his watch things have only gotten worse. Higher black unemployment, lower black national test scores, higher blacks on food stamps and other government assistance, ect, ect.
The problems of the black community will persist until its leaders stop playing the perpetual victim, actually admit there is a problem and look at the root causes—which is not lack of welfare, or any other public policy.

It doesn't help black students that try to succeed in school, only to be pressured by their peers to, "stop trying to be white." Thus, they shoot themselves in the foot.
I don't care what nation you live in, whether that nation is Poland, China, Nigeria, Kenya, or Russia, if you don't do well in school and don't learn to speak the primary language of the nation you live in, you will not succeed, although there are "some" exceptions (i.e., the entertainment and sports fields).

Whites need to shut up telling these lies. I did well in school and never was told I am trying to be white. This whole thread is retarded. It's just another thread full of white people expressing uninformed opinions about blacks. Whites commit almost 3 times the crime as blacks, but just like every thing else ****** has an excuse as to why he gets to **** up. And that's the white elephant whites refuse to face.

 

[T.E.C. - Iowa]

'The collapse of Marxism as a compelling ideology and political force is one of the most important developments in the history of twentieth-century Europe.'

'Marxism is impossible to achieve because it requires that everyone be equal'.

Yet..........liberals/progressives/socialists still preach this nonsense. Lest we forget political correctness still dominates the American landscape and its origin is cultural marxism.....thus we see despite the failures of marxism/socialism, communism the ideology is still very much with us....it accomplishes nothing but to retard society and act as a stumbling block and the liberals who have embraced it have succeded in bringing America to the brink of collapse........lest we forget when Obama promised to fundamentally change America....he meant to destroy it-- as most have known and loved it.

Invariably....people who initiate marxist movements have taken more power for themselves, made themselves and their cohorts rulers, and then made everyone else conform to their ideals in a communist society.

'Marxism was not an accident that simply happened in Eastern Europe. It was the culmination of a process, the end result of a movement that began five centuries ago in the Renaissance. Josef Tson & Paul Negrut, “The World After the Collapse of Marxism and the Failure of Secularism (The Laing Lecture for 1992),” Vox Evangelica 22 (1992): 25-34. The belief that God was the source and ruler of the universe was rejected and humanity took its place as the centre of attention, fit to decide its own destiny. Human reason became autonomous, the supreme authority, and so the philosophy of humanism was born. Socialist movements began to emerge, along with Darwinism and the theory of evolution. First Marx and then Lenin took these concepts and others welded them into a process: illuminism, rationalism, positivism, and the Hegelian dialectic wedded to materialism, producing a system that would be completely closed towards God, but open to humanity: atheistic Marxism. This development was not an Eastern European phenomenon. It took place in the West, and was transplanted into the East by Lenin, who gave to it the power that went with the installation of a totalitarian regime. In the West the development has been a process of gradual secularisation. It took place in the universities first, and it produced the so-called ‘scientific’ understanding of the world and of life. From the universities it then permeated general Western culture, the media, and politics.'

https://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/vox/vol22/marxism_tson-negrut.pdf

Why Race Matters - American Renaissance

Well, now we know you have never read Marx - as you wrote " Marxism is impossible to achieve because it requires that everyone be equal'." Marx never said that. That is the capitalists who made that up. Again, you have obviously never read Marx.

In your quote, this is true "the power that went with the installation of a totalitarian regime." This is why the Soviet Union was never Marxian. It was turned from Marx to a totalitarian government - despite the name. Plus, this person also does not know Marx. If you read Marx, you discover he wanted to democratize the workplace.

However, on the whole, the quote is crap. What is with this "Socialist movements began to emerge, along with Darwinism and the theory of evolution?" So the author think socialism is not a big enough boogieman, so the need to add evolution.

You really need to read Marx for yourself rather than listening to the propaganda that bolsters what you want to think.

 

[LuckyDuck]

The media has actively ignored and censored literally thousands of news reports of racial violence perpetrated at the hands of black youth (Should race play a role in how the media reports crime? - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com). I could post story after story of black mobs attacking white victims, some left brain damaged and permanently handicapped, but I already know the predictable reaction to this fact is, so instead of posting those stories I would rather anyone post a story of white mobs selectively targeting blacks to batter, assault, and rob. Just one.

In Atlanta an entire county lost their accreditation, that’s right all public schools in a district upwards of 80% black lost their accreditation—and another Atlanta county, Dekalb, is on the verge of the same. Atlanta’s city schools, again predominately black, committed the largest cheating scandal in American history, swindling tens of millions of federal dollars. Atlanta is graduating high school students that are reading at a sixth grade level. In New York City 80% of high school graduates are functionally illiterate. (80% of NYC High School Grads Not Illiterate -- Daily Intelligencer) One more fact, all of these predominately black school districts are run by black democrats that are incapable or unwilling to do anything to reform these failing systems. Every single teacher and administrator that was implicated in the cheating scandal is black.

The statistics behind the effects of illegitimacy are staggering and undeniable. Yet, the media has praised single-motherhood in the black community for decades. 72% of black children are born out of wedlock and the profound effects of this are resonating throughout society. Absent this one statistic, crime levels between blacks and whites disappears. This is the driving force behind black poverty. There are political forces that have been actively eroding and destroying the black family since the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

“It's the courage to raise a child that makes you a father.” – President Obama

No it isn’t courageous to raise your child, it only makes you not an asshole. It is depressing that the president is so incredibly naïve.

Obama has done nothing to rectify the many problems plaguing the black community, in fact under his watch things have only gotten worse. Higher black unemployment, lower black national test scores, higher blacks on food stamps and other government assistance, ect, ect.
The problems of the black community will persist until its leaders stop playing the perpetual victim, actually admit there is a problem and look at the root causes—which is not lack of welfare, or any other public policy.

It doesn't help black students that try to succeed in school, only to be pressured by their peers to, "stop trying to be white." Thus, they shoot themselves in the foot.
I don't care what nation you live in, whether that nation is Poland, China, Nigeria, Kenya, or Russia, if you don't do well in school and don't learn to speak the primary language of the nation you live in, you will not succeed, although there are "some" exceptions (i.e., the entertainment and sports fields).

Whites need to shut up telling these lies. I did well in school and never was told I am trying to be white. This whole thread is retarded. It's just another thread full of white people expressing uninformed opinions about blacks. Whites commit almost 3 times the crime as blacks, but just like every thing else ****** has an excuse as to why he gets to **** up. And that's the white elephant whites refuse to face.

At what point did I say that black students pressuring black students trying to achieve, was somehow widespread and involved every black who strove to succeed? I didn't.
Many blacks have graduated with honors and some, like Neil deGrasse Tyson are to be looked up to. That does not negate that it does occur and when it does, those seeking to stifle the scholarly achievements of any black student(s) should be admonished.

 

[IM2]

The media has actively ignored and censored literally thousands of news reports of racial violence perpetrated at the hands of black youth (Should race play a role in how the media reports crime? - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com). I could post story after story of black mobs attacking white victims, some left brain damaged and permanently handicapped, but I already know the predictable reaction to this fact is, so instead of posting those stories I would rather anyone post a story of white mobs selectively targeting blacks to batter, assault, and rob. Just one.

In Atlanta an entire county lost their accreditation, that’s right all public schools in a district upwards of 80% black lost their accreditation—and another Atlanta county, Dekalb, is on the verge of the same. Atlanta’s city schools, again predominately black, committed the largest cheating scandal in American history, swindling tens of millions of federal dollars. Atlanta is graduating high school students that are reading at a sixth grade level. In New York City 80% of high school graduates are functionally illiterate. (80% of NYC High School Grads Not Illiterate -- Daily Intelligencer) One more fact, all of these predominately black school districts are run by black democrats that are incapable or unwilling to do anything to reform these failing systems. Every single teacher and administrator that was implicated in the cheating scandal is black.

The statistics behind the effects of illegitimacy are staggering and undeniable. Yet, the media has praised single-motherhood in the black community for decades. 72% of black children are born out of wedlock and the profound effects of this are resonating throughout society. Absent this one statistic, crime levels between blacks and whites disappears. This is the driving force behind black poverty. There are political forces that have been actively eroding and destroying the black family since the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

“It's the courage to raise a child that makes you a father.” – President Obama

No it isn’t courageous to raise your child, it only makes you not an asshole. It is depressing that the president is so incredibly naïve.

Obama has done nothing to rectify the many problems plaguing the black community, in fact under his watch things have only gotten worse. Higher black unemployment, lower black national test scores, higher blacks on food stamps and other government assistance, ect, ect.
The problems of the black community will persist until its leaders stop playing the perpetual victim, actually admit there is a problem and look at the root causes—which is not lack of welfare, or any other public policy.

It doesn't help black students that try to succeed in school, only to be pressured by their peers to, "stop trying to be white." Thus, they shoot themselves in the foot.
I don't care what nation you live in, whether that nation is Poland, China, Nigeria, Kenya, or Russia, if you don't do well in school and don't learn to speak the primary language of the nation you live in, you will not succeed, although there are "some" exceptions (i.e., the entertainment and sports fields).

Whites need to shut up telling these lies. I did well in school and never was told I am trying to be white. This whole thread is retarded. It's just another thread full of white people expressing uninformed opinions about blacks. Whites commit almost 3 times the crime as blacks, but just like every thing else ****** has an excuse as to why he gets to **** up. And that's the white elephant whites refuse to face.

At what point did I say that black students pressuring black students trying to achieve, was somehow widespread and involved every black who strove to succeed? I didn't.
Many blacks have graduated with honors and some, like Neil deGrasse Tyson are to be looked up to. That does not negate that it does occur and when it does, those seeking to stifle the scholarly achievements of any black student(s) should be admonished.

Whites bully nerds. That's what you guys do to whites who get good grades. So what you need to do is shut your ass up talking about blacks.

 

[LuckyDuck]

The media has actively ignored and censored literally thousands of news reports of racial violence perpetrated at the hands of black youth (Should race play a role in how the media reports crime? - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com). I could post story after story of black mobs attacking white victims, some left brain damaged and permanently handicapped, but I already know the predictable reaction to this fact is, so instead of posting those stories I would rather anyone post a story of white mobs selectively targeting blacks to batter, assault, and rob. Just one.

In Atlanta an entire county lost their accreditation, that’s right all public schools in a district upwards of 80% black lost their accreditation—and another Atlanta county, Dekalb, is on the verge of the same. Atlanta’s city schools, again predominately black, committed the largest cheating scandal in American history, swindling tens of millions of federal dollars. Atlanta is graduating high school students that are reading at a sixth grade level. In New York City 80% of high school graduates are functionally illiterate. (80% of NYC High School Grads Not Illiterate -- Daily Intelligencer) One more fact, all of these predominately black school districts are run by black democrats that are incapable or unwilling to do anything to reform these failing systems. Every single teacher and administrator that was implicated in the cheating scandal is black.

The statistics behind the effects of illegitimacy are staggering and undeniable. Yet, the media has praised single-motherhood in the black community for decades. 72% of black children are born out of wedlock and the profound effects of this are resonating throughout society. Absent this one statistic, crime levels between blacks and whites disappears. This is the driving force behind black poverty. There are political forces that have been actively eroding and destroying the black family since the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

“It's the courage to raise a child that makes you a father.” – President Obama

No it isn’t courageous to raise your child, it only makes you not an asshole. It is depressing that the president is so incredibly naïve.

Obama has done nothing to rectify the many problems plaguing the black community, in fact under his watch things have only gotten worse. Higher black unemployment, lower black national test scores, higher blacks on food stamps and other government assistance, ect, ect.
The problems of the black community will persist until its leaders stop playing the perpetual victim, actually admit there is a problem and look at the root causes—which is not lack of welfare, or any other public policy.

It doesn't help black students that try to succeed in school, only to be pressured by their peers to, "stop trying to be white." Thus, they shoot themselves in the foot.
I don't care what nation you live in, whether that nation is Poland, China, Nigeria, Kenya, or Russia, if you don't do well in school and don't learn to speak the primary language of the nation you live in, you will not succeed, although there are "some" exceptions (i.e., the entertainment and sports fields).

Whites need to shut up telling these lies. I did well in school and never was told I am trying to be white. This whole thread is retarded. It's just another thread full of white people expressing uninformed opinions about blacks. Whites commit almost 3 times the crime as blacks, but just like every thing else ****** has an excuse as to why he gets to **** up. And that's the white elephant whites refuse to face.

At what point did I say that black students pressuring black students trying to achieve, was somehow widespread and involved every black who strove to succeed? I didn't.
Many blacks have graduated with honors and some, like Neil deGrasse Tyson are to be looked up to. That does not negate that it does occur and when it does, those seeking to stifle the scholarly achievements of any black student(s) should be admonished.

Whites bully nerds. That's what you guys do to whites who get good grades. So what you need to do is shut your ass up talking about blacks.

I guess idiots like you will just have to get rid of that pesky 1st Amendment, whereby it says: "the right to free speech shall not be infringed."
We can talk about any race we choose. If you don't like it....I don't give a sh*t. Move to some other country.