The electoral college is a disaster for democracy

[Onyx]

So what you're really saying is that the EC Electoral College should be a good thing because it should encourage those voiceless millions to move into rural areas where they'll have more of a voice and living space.

It has nothing to do with urban vs rural areas. It comes down to larger vs smaller states.

The vote of someone living in the city and the vote of someone living in the country are the exact same.

 

[Meathead]

It's insane to think that smaller states would abide with the erosion of their rights.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

So what you're really saying is that the EC Electoral College should be a good thing because it should encourage those voiceless millions to move into rural areas where they'll have more of a voice and living space.

It has nothing to do with urban vs rural areas. It comes down to larger vs smaller states.

The vote of someone living in the city and the vote of someone living in the country are the exact same.

Yes. What the majority wants always works out well for the minority.

*****SARCASTIC SMILE*****

 

[Pogo]

It's insane to think that smaller states would abide with the erosion of their rights.

And exactly what "rights" would those be then?

To hold slaves? And count 3/5 of them as part of their representation?

Let's face it --- you have no argument.

 

[paulitician]

We are a constitutional republic that elects representatives. An extent of that republicanism is that our EC elects the presidents. An amendment would have to change the process, and neither party wants such, despite what certain members of those parties may say.

Neither party wants it so far. We lost the election in 2000 because of the EC. The Democrats need to push for abolition of the EC. I predict Trump will be a one term president and that in 2020 the presidency, the House and the Congress will go to the Democrats, and then we can get rid of the EC, as we should have done 40 or more years ago.

Yeah, y'all's predictions were so Spot On this time around. We should definitely listen to you from now on.

 

[BluesLegend]

We are a constitutional republic that elects representatives. An extent of that republicanism is that our EC elects the presidents. An amendment would have to change the process, and neither party wants such, despite what certain members of those parties may say.

Neither party wants it so far. We lost the election in 2000 because of the EC. The Democrats need to push for abolition of the EC. I predict Trump will be a one term president and that in 2020 the presidency, the House and the Congress will go to the Democrats, and then we can get rid of the EC, as we should have done 40 or more years ago.

Sorry the tyranny of mob rule will not be tolerated in this country.

 

[Pogo]

We are a constitutional republic that elects representatives. An extent of that republicanism is that our EC elects the presidents. An amendment would have to change the process, and neither party wants such, despite what certain members of those parties may say.

Neither party wants it so far. We lost the election in 2000 because of the EC. The Democrats need to push for abolition of the EC. I predict Trump will be a one term president and that in 2020 the presidency, the House and the Congress will go to the Democrats, and then we can get rid of the EC, as we should have done 40 or more years ago.

Sorry the tyranny of mob rule will not be tolerated in this country.

There's nothing about "mob rule" in this topic.

You can jump up out of your seat and yell "RHUBARB" during a Star Trek movie all you like, but that doesn't turn it into a flick about farmers.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Said Donald Trump in 2012.

I betcha he wishes he could take that one back.

But when YOU stepped into that voting booth you knew that the electoral college could put either candidate in the WH, and yet you still voted.
Seems rather hypocritical on your part.

 

[Pop23]

We are a constitutional republic that elects representatives. An extent of that republicanism is that our EC elects the presidents. An amendment would have to change the process, and neither party wants such, despite what certain members of those parties may say.

Neither party wants it so far. We lost the election in 2000 because of the EC. The Democrats need to push for abolition of the EC. I predict Trump will be a one term president and that in 2020 the presidency, the House and the Congress will go to the Democrats, and then we can get rid of the EC, as we should have done 40 or more years ago.

Your forecast is crap. You are trying too hold too many small groups together in a party at the same time. Many of those groups have opposite needs/wants.

Your love affair with illegal aliens have alienated union housholds. The two cannot exist in a symbiotic relationship.

Unions want better benefits and higher wages. Amnesty for illegal immigrants would not allow the unions to gain.

One has to leave the party. We saw that this year. Unions delivered the Great Lake States to the GOP, while the illegal alien supporters got you Nevada.

I'm thinking you backed the wrong horse.

 

[Pogo]

Said Donald Trump in 2012.

I betcha he wishes he could take that one back.

But when YOU stepped into that voting booth you knew that the electoral college could put either candidate in the WH, and yet you still voted.
Seems rather hypocritical on your part.

How in the blue fuck is that "hypocritical"?

What was the alternative?

 

[BluesLegend]

We are a constitutional republic that elects representatives. An extent of that republicanism is that our EC elects the presidents. An amendment would have to change the process, and neither party wants such, despite what certain members of those parties may say.

Neither party wants it so far. We lost the election in 2000 because of the EC. The Democrats need to push for abolition of the EC. I predict Trump will be a one term president and that in 2020 the presidency, the House and the Congress will go to the Democrats, and then we can get rid of the EC, as we should have done 40 or more years ago.

Sorry the tyranny of mob rule will not be tolerated in this country.

There's nothing about "mob rule" in this topic.

You can jump up out of your seat and yell "RHUBARB" during a Star Trek movie all you like, but that doesn't turn it into a flick about farmers.

Hillary lost, America rejected her, suck it.

 

[Pogo]

We are a constitutional republic that elects representatives. An extent of that republicanism is that our EC elects the presidents. An amendment would have to change the process, and neither party wants such, despite what certain members of those parties may say.

Neither party wants it so far. We lost the election in 2000 because of the EC. The Democrats need to push for abolition of the EC. I predict Trump will be a one term president and that in 2020 the presidency, the House and the Congress will go to the Democrats, and then we can get rid of the EC, as we should have done 40 or more years ago.

Sorry the tyranny of mob rule will not be tolerated in this country.

There's nothing about "mob rule" in this topic.

You can jump up out of your seat and yell "RHUBARB" during a Star Trek movie all you like, but that doesn't turn it into a flick about farmers.

Hillary lost, America rejected her, suck it.

Again, there's nothing about a "Hillary" in this topic either. See "rhubarb" above. See also "Pogo's Law", corollary.

Again, the quote that makes up the title of this thread is a tweet from 2012. There was no "Hillary" involved in it. It was tweeted by Rump, and he was right.

Do you dare defy Hair Rumpenfuhrer?

 

[BluesLegend]

We are a constitutional republic that elects representatives. An extent of that republicanism is that our EC elects the presidents. An amendment would have to change the process, and neither party wants such, despite what certain members of those parties may say.

Neither party wants it so far. We lost the election in 2000 because of the EC. The Democrats need to push for abolition of the EC. I predict Trump will be a one term president and that in 2020 the presidency, the House and the Congress will go to the Democrats, and then we can get rid of the EC, as we should have done 40 or more years ago.

Sorry the tyranny of mob rule will not be tolerated in this country.

There's nothing about "mob rule" in this topic.

You can jump up out of your seat and yell "RHUBARB" during a Star Trek movie all you like, but that doesn't turn it into a flick about farmers.

Hillary lost, America rejected her, suck it.

Again, there's nothing about a "Hillary" in this topic either. See "rhubarb" above. See also "Pogo's Law", corollary.

Again, the quote that makes up the title of this thread is a tweet from 2012. There was no "Hillary" involved in it. It was tweeted by Rump, and he was right.

Do you dare defy Hair Rumpenfuhrer?

PA, MI, WI

 

[BuckToothMoron]

We are a constitutional republic that elects representatives. An extent of that republicanism is that our EC elects the presidents. An amendment would have to change the process, and neither party wants such, despite what certain members of those parties may say.

Neither party wants it so far. We lost the election in 2000 because of the EC. The Democrats need to push for abolition of the EC. I predict Trump will be a one term president and that in 2020 the presidency, the House and the Congress will go to the Democrats, and then we can get rid of the EC, as we should have done 40 or more years ago.

Another ignoramus who thinks they are smarter than the constitutional framers. Those statesmen toiled for a very long time to devise this system, and scholars (those are more people who are also much smarter than you) have studied the system and applaud it for its genius. Do yourself a favor and study why it exist and why you should insist on preserving it.
The Electoral College: Enlightened Democracy

The Electoral College was considered to fit perfectly within this republican, federalist government that had been created. The system would allow majorities to rule, but only while they were reasonable, broad-based, and not tyrannical. The election process was seen as a clever solution to the seemingly unsolvable problem facing the Convention -- finding a fair method of selecting the Executive for a nation composed of both large and small states that have ceded some, but not all, of their sovereignty to a central government. "`[T]he genius of the present [Electoral College] system,'" a 1970 Senate report concluded, "`is the genius of a popular democracy organized on the federal principle.'"34

America's election systems have operated smoothly for more than 200 years because the Electoral College accomplishes its intended purposes. America's presidential election process preserves federalism, prevents chaos, grants definitive electoral outcomes, and prevents tyrannical or unreasonable rule. The Founding Fathers created a stable, well-planned and carefully designed system -- and it works. Past elections, even the elections of Presidents who lost the popular vote, are testaments to the ingenuity of the Founding Fathers. In each case, the victor was able to succeed only because his opponent did not build the national coalition that is required by the Electoral College. In each case, smaller states were protected from their larger neighbors. In each case, the presidential election system functioned effectively to give the country a President with broad-based support.

Alexander Hamilton was right when he described the Electoral College in The Federalist No. 68. Perhaps the Electoral College is imperfect -- but a perfect solution is doubtless unachievable. Nevertheless, the presidential election process devised by the Framers is certainly excellent.

 

[Pogo]

Another ignoramus who thinks they are smarter than the constitutional framers. Those statesmen toiled for a very long time to devise this system, and scholars (those are more people who are also much smarter than you) have studied the system and applaud it for its genius. Do yourself a favor and study why it exist and why you should insist on preserving it.

Actually take your own advice. The EC wasn't the idea of the framers. It came out of the 12th Amendment, early 19th century.

And we already did that.

Oopsie.

Might wanna go back and read post 54 and/or the link Esm left, and then compare it to what you've got here from "heritage.org" --- which is ironic considering it was the presence of slavery that created the EC

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Another ignoramus who thinks they are smarter than the constitutional framers. Those statesmen toiled for a very long time to devise this system, and scholars (those are more people who are also much smarter than you) have studied the system and applaud it for its genius. Do yourself a favor and study why it exist and why you should insist on preserving it.

Actually take your own advice. The EC wasn't the idea of the framers. It came out of the 12th Amendment, early 19th century.

And we already did that.

Oopsie.

Might wanna go back and read post 54 and/or the link Esm left, and then compare it to what you've got here from "heritage.org" --- which is ironic considering it was the presence of slavery that created the EC

Congrats, you've proven your ignorance knows no bounds. It was in fact designed by the framers and has been changed thru the years, but we have never had a strict majority vote of the president. Now get your ignorant ass back in the shallow end boi.

Electoral College Fast Facts | US House of Representatives: History, Art & Archives

Electoral College Fast Facts


Established in Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, the Electoral College is the formal body which elects the President and Vice President of the United States. Each state has as many "electors" in the Electoral College as it has Representatives and Senators in the United States Congress, and the District of Columbia has three electors. When voters go to the polls in a Presidential election, they actually are voting for the slate of electors vowing to cast their ballots for that ticket in the Electoral College.

Amending the Process
Originally, the Electoral College provided the Constitutional Convention with a compromise between the popular election of the President and congressional selection.

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About this objectThis pass for the Electoral College's 1937 vote count was used again the same day for the President's annual message.

• The 12th Amendment—ratified in 1804—changed the original process, allowing for separate ballots for determining the President and Vice President. See Electoral College and Indecisive Elections for more information.
• The District of Columbia has had three electors since the 23rd Amendment was ratified in 1961.

There have been other attempts to change the system, particularly after cases in which a candidate wins the popular vote, but loses in the Electoral College.

• Four times a candidate has won the popular vote and lost the election. Andrew Jackson in 1824 (to John Quincy Adams); Samuel Tilden in 1876 (to Rutherford B. Hayes); Grover Cleveland in 1888 (to Benjamin Harrison); Al Gore in 2000 (to George W. Bush).

The closest Congress has come to amending the Electoral College since 1804 was during the 91st Congress (1969–1971). H.J. Res. 681 proposed the direct election of a President and Vice President, requiring a run off when no candidate received more than 40 percent of the vote. The resolution passed the House in 1969, but failed to pass the Senate.

 

[Pogo]

Congrats, you've proven your ignorance knows no bounds. It was in fact designed by the framers and has been changed thru the years, but we have never had a strict majority vote of the president.

NO, it was set up by the Twelfth Amendment. YOUR OWN POST admits that. And as I noted, we already did this. Including the reasons it was set up in the first place.

Might be time to sober up.

 

[Meathead]

It's insane to think that smaller states would abide with the erosion of their rights.

And exactly what "rights" would those be then?

To hold slaves? And count 3/5 of them as part of their representation?

Let's face it --- you have no argument.

I don't care if you're black, that's too stupid for words. The smaller states are all in the West and North-East. None of them slave states!

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Congrats, you've proven your ignorance knows no bounds. It was in fact designed by the framers and has been changed thru the years, but we have never had a strict majority vote of the president.

NO, it was set up by the Twelfth Amendment. YOUR OWN POST admits that. And as I noted, we already did this. Including the reasons it was set up in the first place.

Might be time to sober up.

Ok sport, ill humor you since you won't go away. It may not have been called the EC, but the fundamental idea of a non-popular election for president was crucial to the framers, and hence we have NEVER had direct popular election of the POTUS. They recognized the dangers and pitfalls of a strict democracy. People who support the elimination of the EC in favor of a popular vote are ill informed and need to read our history.

Constitutional Framing
Various methods for selecting the executive were offered, reviewed, and discarded during the Constitutional Convention: legislative; direct; gubernatorial; electoral; and lottery. A decision resulted only late in the Convention, when the Committee of Detail presented executive election by special electors selected by the state legislatures. This compromise preserved states’ rights, increased the independence of the executive branch, and avoided popular election. In this plan, Congress plays a formal role in the election of the President and Vice President. While Members of Congress are expressly forbidden from being electors, the Constitution requires the House and Senate to count the Electoral College’s ballots, and in the event of a tie, to select the President and Vice President, respectively.

I have no idea where you conjured up your misguided notion that we somehow had a system of direct popular election prior to the 12th amendment, or why you feel we should now.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Said Donald Trump in 2012.

I betcha he wishes he could take that one back.

It's good for the rich though. The right wanted to stop the rich controlling the country a few days ago, by electing a rich person, now the rich person won, they don't want to change the system any more. Could you make this up?