The dynamics of voting has changed, will the system eventually change

[Captain Caveman]

I've not been a fan of Proportional Representation, only because one side of the family has Austrian roots. They say the government gets very little done, in fighting etc..

Interesting in the video on how the UK system works when you're voting with two or three parties. With the many parties now and more and more people no longer sticking to one party, and especially after this election, election reform is back for discussion.

So I did a spreadsheet to see what the argument is all about. The column "Seats PR" is what each party would have won seats wise under Proportional Representation. The "PR +/- Seats" is what each party needs to lose or gain seats to conform to the likes of Austria, Sweden, Demark etc.. in fact, 74 countries.

Like I said, never really been into PR but analysing this election out, I learnt -

1) How many political parties we actually have!

2) How many countries have PR, and some others have a combination of systems containing a part of PR

3) How badly represented the people in the UK are represented in the commons, I knew this happens but I didn't realise the scale of it

All figures from BBC's website

 

[Cellblock2429]

I've not been a fan of Proportional Representation, only because one side of the family has Austrian roots. They say the government gets very little done, in fighting etc..

Interesting in the video on how the UK system works when you're voting with two or three parties. With the many parties now and more and more people no longer sticking to one party, and especially after this election, election reform is back for discussion.

So I did a spreadsheet to see what the argument is all about. The column "Seats PR" is what each party would have won seats wise under Proportional Representation. The "PR +/- Seats" is what each party needs to lose or gain seats to conform to the likes of Austria, Sweden, Demark etc.. in fact, 74 countries.

Like I said, never really been into PR but analysing this election out, I learnt -

1) How many political parties we actually have!

2) How many countries have PR, and some others have a combination of systems containing a part of PR

3) How badly represented the people in the UK are represented in the commons, I knew this happens but I didn't realise the scale of it


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All figures from BBC's website

/----/ The US has just as many political parties to choose from.

 

[Captain Caveman]

/----/ The US has just as many political parties to choose from.

There must be 20 plus parties that achieved no seats and wouldn't generate a seat under Proportional Representation either, so you would think there would be some system in place to weed out all these useless parties. I haven't a clue what these parties represent, I suppose some guessing could be made from their party name, so it's obvious they don't have the brains to join together in order to win a seat.

 

[Cellblock2429]

There must be 20 plus parties that achieved no seats and wouldn't generate a seat under Proportional Representation either, so you would think there would be some system in place to weed out all these useless parties. I haven't a clue what these parties represent, I suppose some guessing could be made from their party name, so it's obvious they don't have the brains to join together in order to win a seat.

/----/ "so you would think there would be some system in place to weed out all these useless parties. "
There is. Simply repeal the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of assembly. It would also take the shackles off the Prog's agenda to turn the U.S. into a socialist slave state, specifically prohibiting the free exercise of religion or abridging the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, or the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.

 

[Captain Caveman]

/----/ "so you would think there would be some system in place to weed out all these useless parties. "
There is. Simply repeal the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of assembly. It would also take the shackles off the Prog's agenda to turn the U.S. into a socialist slave state, specifically prohibiting the free exercise of religion or abridging the freedom of speech, the freedom of the press, or the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.

If you take for example the Aontú party, just a guy that used to be in Sinn Fein, the only difference is, he doesn't support abortion so he resigned. Bloody hell, every member of a party all don't have the same 12 billion views as one another, there will be some discrepancies. In future, any parties that achieves zero seats should just all be lumped under, "Others", or, "Useless", lol.

 

[1srelluc]

There must be 20 plus parties that achieved no seats and wouldn't generate a seat under Proportional Representation either, so you would think there would be some system in place to weed out all these useless parties. I haven't a clue what these parties represent, I suppose some guessing could be made from their party name, so it's obvious they don't have the brains to join together in order to win a seat.

Do the useless parties get money from the UK government at election time? Therein might be your answer.

Political parties in the UK may be funded through membership fees, party donations or through state funding, the latter of which is reserved for administrative costs.

One person's "administrative costs" are another's grift.....Just ask Maxine Waters.

 

[Ringo]

Marine Le Pen's party received 38% of the French vote and ended up winning 143 seats in the French Parliament. In the last election, Macron's party received 32% of the French vote and 361 seats.
That's all you need to know about European "democracy".

 

[Captain Caveman]

Do the useless parties get money from the UK government at election time? Therein might be your answer.

Political parties in the UK may be funded through membership fees, party donations or through state funding, the latter of which is reserved for administrative costs.

One person's "administrative costs" are another's grift.....Just ask Maxine Waters.

Public (government) funding is strict, I doubt all these useless parties will get anything -

Rules for funding for political parties | Institute for Government

How much funding do political parties receive?

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

 

[ESay]

Marine Le Pen's party received 38% of the French vote and ended up winning 143 seats in the French Parliament. In the last election, Macron's party received 32% of the French vote and 361 seats.
That's all you need to know about European "democracy".

That is one of the rare cases where I should agree with a Russian bot. How in the hell is it possible for the party to have come the first in the election results, but eventually be on the third place of the seats distribution.

The only explanation I have is constituencies being drawn quite unfairly, and thus here one seat can 'cost' 20 000 of the votes, and there a seat is worth 100 000.