The dreaded gay-wedding-cake saga ends: bakers must pay 135 K

[koshergrl]

Including the baker? Isn't the baker simply having their " feelings hurt" by making the cake?

No, the baker is placed in involuntary servitude.

You are a leftist, thus dedicated to the eradication of civil rights, so the act of placing enemies of the party in defacto slavery pleases you.

Defacto slavery? Involuntary servitude?
I think if you offer your services to the public then your servitude is quite voluntary.

???? Dear Hutch Starskey

* So if camera operators agree to provide filming services to the public,
if a porn director seeks to hire them to shoot hard core porn,
they cannot turn down that work? They have to do whatever someone offers to hire them to film?
Really?

* If your publishing house prints magazines, then if someone hires you to publish porn, you HAVE to print it?
You cannot turn it anyone down because you are a business open to the public?

* If a maid offers to clean houses,
then if your house is filled with dirty condoms and dog feces,
that maid HAS to do the work if you offer to hire those services?
And cannot turn you down for any reason?
Since these house cleaning services are offered to the public?

What happened to common sense and courtesy? Where does it end?
And if it only applies to gay/lesbian discrimination, isn't that special rights?

This has got to be the most irrational argument I've read so far. How do you even address such stupidity?

Hi Carla_Danger
A. I understand nobody wants to go around having discrimination disguised under some religious excuse.
I understand nobody want the religious argument abused to break the law, similar to claiming "conscientious objection" in order to dodge the draft. Or claiming to be acting as a religious nonprofit to evade taxes.

B. However, in these cases where there are EQUAL beliefs that are pro gay as anti gay,
these groups should STAY AWAY FROM EACH OTHER to avoid mutual imposition.

If we had Hindus and Muslims with conflicting beliefs on beef and pork, they'd be advised don't go into each other's restaurants and raise some dispute in order to invoke a lawsuit for discrimination. If you know you have different beliefs you can STAY AWAY to avoid what you KNOW are conflicting BELIEFS.

What is causing this problem is legislating or ruling through govt for one side or the other.
That is NOT NEUTRAL and thus causes a sense of discrimination for the side excluded, denied or punished.

If we agree to keep govt, laws, rulings and public policy NEUTRAL
then NEITHER side would feel discriminated against.

This is like Forcing the issue, then complaining about the discrimination it causes.
Well, duh! Why force the issue to begin with??? That's what makes no sense here.

They force the issue because for them it's not about tolerance. It's about eradicating Christians and all ppl who don't share their world view. California democrats are trying to remove all traditional marriage references (the terms husband and wife) from the law. That's not equality, it's eradication.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Do you really want to go back to the days where businesses put up signs saying "No Blacks Allowed?"

Your simplistic views are that of a 12 year old.

I suggest you get familiar with our laws.

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http://www.oregon.gov/boli/SiteAssets/pages/press/Sweet Cakes FO.pdf

Nope, Carla_Danger
Race/Blacks are NOT the same as Orientation/Gays

* Race is proven to be genetic. Homosexuality remains faith-based,
thus any laws that govt makes involve faith-based beliefs. Both the
beliefs for homosexuality as natural or against homosexuality as unnatural'
are EQUALLY faith-based, thus govt cannot pass laws favoring one belief over another
without violating the First and Fourteenth Amendments on equal protection
of people regardless of religions and creeds.

Race is NOT faith based but scientifically established.

* Studies on twins show that they have the same orientation at a 47-53%
NOT 100% so it is not purely genetic.

Race is shown scientifically to be determined by birth and genetics.

* People have changed orientation by going through counseling and healing.
People who have been heterosexual have come out as homosexual or bisexual.
People with homosexual attractions and history have returned to heterosexual.
People with transgender personalities have come out, either way, some keeping
their gender that matches their physical body and some coming out as the opposite.

However with Race, this does not change when people go through spiritual healing.
People remain what they are by birth, unlike with orientation that has been shown to change.

And as studies have cited, is not 100% consistent with genetics as Race is.

The two cannot be compared, sorry!

Apparently, you can't read or understand our laws. I gave you one link to help clear up your confusion, but you either didn't read it, or can't comprehend it. That's not my problem.

You don't like the laws in Oregon?....tough shit.


"Homosexuality remains faith-based"--You.

"What a crock of shit"--Me

 

[Carla_Danger]

No, the baker is placed in involuntary servitude.

You are a leftist, thus dedicated to the eradication of civil rights, so the act of placing enemies of the party in defacto slavery pleases you.

Defacto slavery? Involuntary servitude?
I think if you offer your services to the public then your servitude is quite voluntary.

???? Dear Hutch Starskey

* So if camera operators agree to provide filming services to the public,
if a porn director seeks to hire them to shoot hard core porn,
they cannot turn down that work? They have to do whatever someone offers to hire them to film?
Really?

* If your publishing house prints magazines, then if someone hires you to publish porn, you HAVE to print it?
You cannot turn it anyone down because you are a business open to the public?

* If a maid offers to clean houses,
then if your house is filled with dirty condoms and dog feces,
that maid HAS to do the work if you offer to hire those services?
And cannot turn you down for any reason?
Since these house cleaning services are offered to the public?

What happened to common sense and courtesy? Where does it end?
And if it only applies to gay/lesbian discrimination, isn't that special rights?

This has got to be the most irrational argument I've read so far. How do you even address such stupidity?

Hi Carla_Danger
A. I understand nobody wants to go around having discrimination disguised under some religious excuse.
I understand nobody want the religious argument abused to break the law, similar to claiming "conscientious objection" in order to dodge the draft. Or claiming to be acting as a religious nonprofit to evade taxes.

B. However, in these cases where there are EQUAL beliefs that are pro gay as anti gay,
these groups should STAY AWAY FROM EACH OTHER to avoid mutual imposition.

If we had Hindus and Muslims with conflicting beliefs on beef and pork, they'd be advised don't go into each other's restaurants and raise some dispute in order to invoke a lawsuit for discrimination. If you know you have different beliefs you can STAY AWAY to avoid what you KNOW are conflicting BELIEFS.

What is causing this problem is legislating or ruling through govt for one side or the other.
That is NOT NEUTRAL and thus causes a sense of discrimination for the side excluded, denied or punished.

If we agree to keep govt, laws, rulings and public policy NEUTRAL
then NEITHER side would feel discriminated against.

This is like Forcing the issue, then complaining about the discrimination it causes.
Well, duh! Why force the issue to begin with??? That's what makes no sense here.

They force the issue because for them it's not about tolerance. It's about eradicating Christians and all ppl who don't share their world view. California democrats are trying to remove all traditional marriage references (the terms husband and wife) from the law. That's not equality, it's eradication.

Another bat shit crazy...

 

[emilynghiem]

Defacto slavery? Involuntary servitude?
I think if you offer your services to the public then your servitude is quite voluntary.

???? Dear Hutch Starskey

* So if camera operators agree to provide filming services to the public,
if a porn director seeks to hire them to shoot hard core porn,
they cannot turn down that work? They have to do whatever someone offers to hire them to film?
Really?

* If your publishing house prints magazines, then if someone hires you to publish porn, you HAVE to print it?
You cannot turn it anyone down because you are a business open to the public?

* If a maid offers to clean houses,
then if your house is filled with dirty condoms and dog feces,
that maid HAS to do the work if you offer to hire those services?
And cannot turn you down for any reason?
Since these house cleaning services are offered to the public?

What happened to common sense and courtesy? Where does it end?
And if it only applies to gay/lesbian discrimination, isn't that special rights?

This has got to be the most irrational argument I've read so far. How do you even address such stupidity?

Hi Carla_Danger
A. I understand nobody wants to go around having discrimination disguised under some religious excuse.
I understand nobody want the religious argument abused to break the law, similar to claiming "conscientious objection" in order to dodge the draft. Or claiming to be acting as a religious nonprofit to evade taxes.

B. However, in these cases where there are EQUAL beliefs that are pro gay as anti gay,
these groups should STAY AWAY FROM EACH OTHER to avoid mutual imposition.

If we had Hindus and Muslims with conflicting beliefs on beef and pork, they'd be advised don't go into each other's restaurants and raise some dispute in order to invoke a lawsuit for discrimination. If you know you have different beliefs you can STAY AWAY to avoid what you KNOW are conflicting BELIEFS.

What is causing this problem is legislating or ruling through govt for one side or the other.
That is NOT NEUTRAL and thus causes a sense of discrimination for the side excluded, denied or punished.

If we agree to keep govt, laws, rulings and public policy NEUTRAL
then NEITHER side would feel discriminated against.

This is like Forcing the issue, then complaining about the discrimination it causes.
Well, duh! Why force the issue to begin with??? That's what makes no sense here.

They force the issue because for them it's not about tolerance. It's about eradicating Christians and all ppl who don't share their world view. California democrats are trying to remove all traditional marriage references (the terms husband and wife) from the law. That's not equality, it's eradication.

Another bat shit crazy...

I will defend my arguments if you care to take it to the Bullring, Miss Thing.

Can you prove that Homosexuality is 100% genetic if you are going to compare it to Race?

Can you show me one case where someone changed their physical race
by going through spiritual healing as the people who have changed their orientation
(either gay to straight, or straight to gay, transgender etc) by going through spiritual healing?

How much do you want to bet that Orientation is not the same as Race?
I need to raise 2 million to help Pacifica Radio pay off debts,
10 million to set up health care and housing campus program for Veterans.

Since I know you would lose, I would pick a charity you believe in funding so you won't be a sore loser.
But at least you will help a cause that will take the sting out of being called out and proven wrong.

How much are you willing to bet Carla_Danger

Are you REALLY sure that Sexual Orientation is the same as Race? Really?
do you REALLY want to go there? There are a number of charities that could use the money.
Let me know if you really believe this, or if you know those two cannot be compared perfectly.

Surely you must know that some people can change their Orientation but not their Race!!!
You are highly critical and deeply thoughtful in your criticisms. Surely you know the difference!

 

[Carla_Danger]

???? Dear Hutch Starskey

* So if camera operators agree to provide filming services to the public,
if a porn director seeks to hire them to shoot hard core porn,
they cannot turn down that work? They have to do whatever someone offers to hire them to film?
Really?

* If your publishing house prints magazines, then if someone hires you to publish porn, you HAVE to print it?
You cannot turn it anyone down because you are a business open to the public?

* If a maid offers to clean houses,
then if your house is filled with dirty condoms and dog feces,
that maid HAS to do the work if you offer to hire those services?
And cannot turn you down for any reason?
Since these house cleaning services are offered to the public?

What happened to common sense and courtesy? Where does it end?
And if it only applies to gay/lesbian discrimination, isn't that special rights?

This has got to be the most irrational argument I've read so far. How do you even address such stupidity?

Hi Carla_Danger
A. I understand nobody wants to go around having discrimination disguised under some religious excuse.
I understand nobody want the religious argument abused to break the law, similar to claiming "conscientious objection" in order to dodge the draft. Or claiming to be acting as a religious nonprofit to evade taxes.

B. However, in these cases where there are EQUAL beliefs that are pro gay as anti gay,
these groups should STAY AWAY FROM EACH OTHER to avoid mutual imposition.

If we had Hindus and Muslims with conflicting beliefs on beef and pork, they'd be advised don't go into each other's restaurants and raise some dispute in order to invoke a lawsuit for discrimination. If you know you have different beliefs you can STAY AWAY to avoid what you KNOW are conflicting BELIEFS.

What is causing this problem is legislating or ruling through govt for one side or the other.
That is NOT NEUTRAL and thus causes a sense of discrimination for the side excluded, denied or punished.

If we agree to keep govt, laws, rulings and public policy NEUTRAL
then NEITHER side would feel discriminated against.

This is like Forcing the issue, then complaining about the discrimination it causes.
Well, duh! Why force the issue to begin with??? That's what makes no sense here.

They force the issue because for them it's not about tolerance. It's about eradicating Christians and all ppl who don't share their world view. California democrats are trying to remove all traditional marriage references (the terms husband and wife) from the law. That's not equality, it's eradication.

Another bat shit crazy...

I will defend my arguments if you care to take it to the Bullring, Miss Thing.

Can you prove that Homosexuality is 100% genetic if you are going to compare it to Race?

Can you show me one case where someone changed their physical race
by going through spiritual healing as the people who have changed their orientation
(either gay to straight, or straight to gay, transgender etc) by going through spiritual healing?

How much do you want to bet that Orientation is not the same as Race?
I need to raise 2 million to help Pacifica Radio pay off debts,
10 million to set up health care and housing campus program for Veterans.

Since I know you would lose, I would pick a charity you believe in funding so you won't be a sore loser.
But at least you will help a cause that will take the sting out of being called out and proven wrong.

How much are you willing to bet Carla_Danger

Are you REALLY sure that Sexual Orientation is the same as Race? Really?
do you REALLY want to go there? There are a number of charities that could use the money.
Let me know if you really believe this, or if you know those two cannot be compared perfectly.

Surely you must know that some people can change their Orientation but not their Race!!!
You are highly critical and deeply thoughtful in your criticisms. Surely you know the difference!

I see you're having an emotional tantrum. Oregon law says that gay people ARE a protected class. That's all I need to know.

I can't help the fact that you are ignorant of our laws. That's your problem, not mine.

 

[Vandalshandle]

It is unfortunate that the memory of society is so pitifully short. In my lifetime, I spent 20 years, in the 1960's and 1950's of listening to bigots explain that they were refusing service to African-Americans back home in Georgia, because segregation was god's plan. They closed their restaurants, marched around with ax handles, joined the KKK, and put the confederate battle flag back on the Georgia state flag.....

And, in the end,they lost. Even George Wallace told the press before he died that he had been wrong about segregation.

Obviously, today's religious bigots need more time to get their shit together.

What a sad bunch of losers....

 

[emilynghiem]

This has got to be the most irrational argument I've read so far. How do you even address such stupidity?

Hi Carla_Danger
A. I understand nobody wants to go around having discrimination disguised under some religious excuse.
I understand nobody want the religious argument abused to break the law, similar to claiming "conscientious objection" in order to dodge the draft. Or claiming to be acting as a religious nonprofit to evade taxes.

B. However, in these cases where there are EQUAL beliefs that are pro gay as anti gay,
these groups should STAY AWAY FROM EACH OTHER to avoid mutual imposition.

If we had Hindus and Muslims with conflicting beliefs on beef and pork, they'd be advised don't go into each other's restaurants and raise some dispute in order to invoke a lawsuit for discrimination. If you know you have different beliefs you can STAY AWAY to avoid what you KNOW are conflicting BELIEFS.

What is causing this problem is legislating or ruling through govt for one side or the other.
That is NOT NEUTRAL and thus causes a sense of discrimination for the side excluded, denied or punished.

If we agree to keep govt, laws, rulings and public policy NEUTRAL
then NEITHER side would feel discriminated against.

This is like Forcing the issue, then complaining about the discrimination it causes.
Well, duh! Why force the issue to begin with??? That's what makes no sense here.

They force the issue because for them it's not about tolerance. It's about eradicating Christians and all ppl who don't share their world view. California democrats are trying to remove all traditional marriage references (the terms husband and wife) from the law. That's not equality, it's eradication.

Another bat shit crazy...

I will defend my arguments if you care to take it to the Bullring, Miss Thing.

Can you prove that Homosexuality is 100% genetic if you are going to compare it to Race?

Can you show me one case where someone changed their physical race
by going through spiritual healing as the people who have changed their orientation
(either gay to straight, or straight to gay, transgender etc) by going through spiritual healing?

How much do you want to bet that Orientation is not the same as Race?
I need to raise 2 million to help Pacifica Radio pay off debts,
10 million to set up health care and housing campus program for Veterans.

Since I know you would lose, I would pick a charity you believe in funding so you won't be a sore loser.
But at least you will help a cause that will take the sting out of being called out and proven wrong.

How much are you willing to bet Carla_Danger

Are you REALLY sure that Sexual Orientation is the same as Race? Really?
do you REALLY want to go there? There are a number of charities that could use the money.
Let me know if you really believe this, or if you know those two cannot be compared perfectly.

Surely you must know that some people can change their Orientation but not their Race!!!
You are highly critical and deeply thoughtful in your criticisms. Surely you know the difference!

I see you're having an emotional tantrum. Oregon law says that gay people ARE a protected class. That's all I need to know.

I can't help the fact that you are ignorant of our laws. That's your problem, not mine.

???
You were trying to equate Orientation with Race.
Because Orientation is Faith based
the Faith based beliefs of Christians who don't believe in supporting homosexuality
are LEGALLY on the same level as protected beliefs or creeds as progay beliefs.

So Carla_Danger if you only interpret and enforce laws that
protect the progay beliefs but not the antigay, which are equally faith based,
then you are supporting unequal laws or discrimination by creed.

This is like supporting laws that discriminated against Blacks.
Those laws WERE legal to enforce, just like the laws you cite now,
but it violated civil rights of people excluded and harassed, as Christians are complaining now.

I am glad you don't believe in discriminating against gays but dismayed that you believe it is okay to harass Christians for their beliefs while claiming to be against discrimination. Sadly ironic!

Sorry but the way you interpret one belief as protected, but not the other,
instead of treating both sides equally, that is a form of political discrimination by creed.

You can see when people discriminate against gay orientation but you cannot see when you are discriminating against Christian because you are convinced it is "wrong" -- which is the SAME assumption Christians make when discriminating against gays. You are hardly different!!

 

[Vandalshandle]

Hi Carla_Danger
A. I understand nobody wants to go around having discrimination disguised under some religious excuse.
I understand nobody want the religious argument abused to break the law, similar to claiming "conscientious objection" in order to dodge the draft. Or claiming to be acting as a religious nonprofit to evade taxes.

B. However, in these cases where there are EQUAL beliefs that are pro gay as anti gay,
these groups should STAY AWAY FROM EACH OTHER to avoid mutual imposition.

If we had Hindus and Muslims with conflicting beliefs on beef and pork, they'd be advised don't go into each other's restaurants and raise some dispute in order to invoke a lawsuit for discrimination. If you know you have different beliefs you can STAY AWAY to avoid what you KNOW are conflicting BELIEFS.

What is causing this problem is legislating or ruling through govt for one side or the other.
That is NOT NEUTRAL and thus causes a sense of discrimination for the side excluded, denied or punished.

If we agree to keep govt, laws, rulings and public policy NEUTRAL
then NEITHER side would feel discriminated against.

This is like Forcing the issue, then complaining about the discrimination it causes.
Well, duh! Why force the issue to begin with??? That's what makes no sense here.

They force the issue because for them it's not about tolerance. It's about eradicating Christians and all ppl who don't share their world view. California democrats are trying to remove all traditional marriage references (the terms husband and wife) from the law. That's not equality, it's eradication.

Another bat shit crazy...

I will defend my arguments if you care to take it to the Bullring, Miss Thing.

Can you prove that Homosexuality is 100% genetic if you are going to compare it to Race?

Can you show me one case where someone changed their physical race
by going through spiritual healing as the people who have changed their orientation
(either gay to straight, or straight to gay, transgender etc) by going through spiritual healing?

How much do you want to bet that Orientation is not the same as Race?
I need to raise 2 million to help Pacifica Radio pay off debts,
10 million to set up health care and housing campus program for Veterans.

Since I know you would lose, I would pick a charity you believe in funding so you won't be a sore loser.
But at least you will help a cause that will take the sting out of being called out and proven wrong.

How much are you willing to bet Carla_Danger

Are you REALLY sure that Sexual Orientation is the same as Race? Really?
do you REALLY want to go there? There are a number of charities that could use the money.
Let me know if you really believe this, or if you know those two cannot be compared perfectly.

Surely you must know that some people can change their Orientation but not their Race!!!
You are highly critical and deeply thoughtful in your criticisms. Surely you know the difference!

I see you're having an emotional tantrum. Oregon law says that gay people ARE a protected class. That's all I need to know.

I can't help the fact that you are ignorant of our laws. That's your problem, not mine.

???
You were trying to equate Orientation with Race.
Because Orientation is Faith based
the Faith based beliefs of Christians who don't believe in supporting homosexuality
are LEGALLY on the same level as protected beliefs or creeds as progay beliefs.

So Carla_Danger if you only interpret and enforce laws that
protect the progay beliefs but not the antigay, which are equally faith based,
then you are supporting unequal laws or discrimination by creed.

This is like supporting laws that discriminated against Blacks.
Those laws WERE legal to enforce, just like the laws you cite now,
but it violated civil rights of people excluded and harassed, as Christians are complaining now.

I am glad you don't believe in discriminating against gays but dismayed that you believe it is okay to harass Christians for their beliefs while claiming to be against discrimination. Sadly ironic!

Sorry but the way you interpret one belief as protected, but not the other,
instead of treating both sides equally, that is a form of political discrimination by creed.

You can see when people discriminate against gay orientation but you cannot see when you are discriminating against Christian because you are convinced it is "wrong" -- which is the SAME assumption Christians make when discriminating against gays. You are hardly different!!

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but the courts have not fined Carla $135,000. They HAVE fined the Kleins $135,000. One party, or the other, has been found guilty of violation of the law. Can you guess which one?

 

[Faun]

Including the baker? Isn't the baker simply having their " feelings hurt" by making the cake?

No, the baker is placed in involuntary servitude.

You are a leftist, thus dedicated to the eradication of civil rights, so the act of placing enemies of the party in defacto slavery pleases you.

Defacto slavery? Involuntary servitude?
I think if you offer your services to the public then your servitude is quite voluntary.

???? Dear Hutch Starskey

* So if camera operators agree to provide filming services to the public,
if a porn director seeks to hire them to shoot hard core porn,
they cannot turn down that work? They have to do whatever someone offers to hire them to film?
Really?

* If your publishing house prints magazines, then if someone hires you to publish porn, you HAVE to print it?
You cannot turn it anyone down because you are a business open to the public?

* If a maid offers to clean houses,
then if your house is filled with dirty condoms and dog feces,
that maid HAS to do the work if you offer to hire those services?
And cannot turn you down for any reason?
Since these house cleaning services are offered to the public?

What happened to common sense and courtesy? Where does it end?
And if it only applies to gay/lesbian discrimination, isn't that special rights?

Holyfuckingshit!

How ******* retarded are you???

No one is forcing anyone to provide a service they don't already provide.

 

[koshergrl]

They force the issue because for them it's not about tolerance. It's about eradicating Christians and all ppl who don't share their world view. California democrats are trying to remove all traditional marriage references (the terms husband and wife) from the law. That's not equality, it's eradication.

Another bat shit crazy...

I will defend my arguments if you care to take it to the Bullring, Miss Thing.

Can you prove that Homosexuality is 100% genetic if you are going to compare it to Race?

Can you show me one case where someone changed their physical race
by going through spiritual healing as the people who have changed their orientation
(either gay to straight, or straight to gay, transgender etc) by going through spiritual healing?

How much do you want to bet that Orientation is not the same as Race?
I need to raise 2 million to help Pacifica Radio pay off debts,
10 million to set up health care and housing campus program for Veterans.

Since I know you would lose, I would pick a charity you believe in funding so you won't be a sore loser.
But at least you will help a cause that will take the sting out of being called out and proven wrong.

How much are you willing to bet Carla_Danger

Are you REALLY sure that Sexual Orientation is the same as Race? Really?
do you REALLY want to go there? There are a number of charities that could use the money.
Let me know if you really believe this, or if you know those two cannot be compared perfectly.

Surely you must know that some people can change their Orientation but not their Race!!!
You are highly critical and deeply thoughtful in your criticisms. Surely you know the difference!

I see you're having an emotional tantrum. Oregon law says that gay people ARE a protected class. That's all I need to know.

I can't help the fact that you are ignorant of our laws. That's your problem, not mine.

???
You were trying to equate Orientation with Race.
Because Orientation is Faith based
the Faith based beliefs of Christians who don't believe in supporting homosexuality
are LEGALLY on the same level as protected beliefs or creeds as progay beliefs.

So Carla_Danger if you only interpret and enforce laws that
protect the progay beliefs but not the antigay, which are equally faith based,
then you are supporting unequal laws or discrimination by creed.

This is like supporting laws that discriminated against Blacks.
Those laws WERE legal to enforce, just like the laws you cite now,
but it violated civil rights of people excluded and harassed, as Christians are complaining now.

I am glad you don't believe in discriminating against gays but dismayed that you believe it is okay to harass Christians for their beliefs while claiming to be against discrimination. Sadly ironic!

Sorry but the way you interpret one belief as protected, but not the other,
instead of treating both sides equally, that is a form of political discrimination by creed.

You can see when people discriminate against gay orientation but you cannot see when you are discriminating against Christian because you are convinced it is "wrong" -- which is the SAME assumption Christians make when discriminating against gays. You are hardly different!!

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but the courts have not funded Carla $135,000. They HAVE fined the Kleins $135,000. One party, or the other, has been found guilty of violation of the law. Can you guess which one?

It's bad law, and a vile fine. They will appeal.

 

[koshergrl]

It is unfortunate that the memory of society is so pitifully short. In my lifetime, I spent 20 years, in the 1960's and 1950's of listening to bigots explain that they were refusing service to African-Americans back home in Georgia, because segregation was god's plan. They closed their restaurants, marched around with ax handles, joined the KKK, and put the confederate battle flag back on the Georgia state flag.....

And, in the end,they lost. Even George Wallace told the press before he died that he had been wrong about segregation.

Obviously, today's religious bigots need more time to get their shit together.

What a sad bunch of losers....

It's not religious bigotry to refuse to create a cake for a homo wedding.

 

[koshergrl]

It is religious bigotry to level huge fines against people because they are a certain faith.

 

[Faun]

Another bat shit crazy...

I will defend my arguments if you care to take it to the Bullring, Miss Thing.

Can you prove that Homosexuality is 100% genetic if you are going to compare it to Race?

Can you show me one case where someone changed their physical race
by going through spiritual healing as the people who have changed their orientation
(either gay to straight, or straight to gay, transgender etc) by going through spiritual healing?

How much do you want to bet that Orientation is not the same as Race?
I need to raise 2 million to help Pacifica Radio pay off debts,
10 million to set up health care and housing campus program for Veterans.

Since I know you would lose, I would pick a charity you believe in funding so you won't be a sore loser.
But at least you will help a cause that will take the sting out of being called out and proven wrong.

How much are you willing to bet Carla_Danger

Are you REALLY sure that Sexual Orientation is the same as Race? Really?
do you REALLY want to go there? There are a number of charities that could use the money.
Let me know if you really believe this, or if you know those two cannot be compared perfectly.

Surely you must know that some people can change their Orientation but not their Race!!!
You are highly critical and deeply thoughtful in your criticisms. Surely you know the difference!

I see you're having an emotional tantrum. Oregon law says that gay people ARE a protected class. That's all I need to know.

I can't help the fact that you are ignorant of our laws. That's your problem, not mine.

???
You were trying to equate Orientation with Race.
Because Orientation is Faith based
the Faith based beliefs of Christians who don't believe in supporting homosexuality
are LEGALLY on the same level as protected beliefs or creeds as progay beliefs.

So Carla_Danger if you only interpret and enforce laws that
protect the progay beliefs but not the antigay, which are equally faith based,
then you are supporting unequal laws or discrimination by creed.

This is like supporting laws that discriminated against Blacks.
Those laws WERE legal to enforce, just like the laws you cite now,
but it violated civil rights of people excluded and harassed, as Christians are complaining now.

I am glad you don't believe in discriminating against gays but dismayed that you believe it is okay to harass Christians for their beliefs while claiming to be against discrimination. Sadly ironic!

Sorry but the way you interpret one belief as protected, but not the other,
instead of treating both sides equally, that is a form of political discrimination by creed.

You can see when people discriminate against gay orientation but you cannot see when you are discriminating against Christian because you are convinced it is "wrong" -- which is the SAME assumption Christians make when discriminating against gays. You are hardly different!!

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but the courts have not funded Carla $135,000. They HAVE fined the Kleins $135,000. One party, or the other, has been found guilty of violation of the law. Can you guess which one?

It's bad law, and a vile fine. They will appeal.

Spits the imbecile who thinks their bakery business is still doing great, even though they've closed their shop and are only baking goods for family and friends.

 

[Vandalshandle]

It is unfortunate that the memory of society is so pitifully short. In my lifetime, I spent 20 years, in the 1960's and 1950's of listening to bigots explain that they were refusing service to African-Americans back home in Georgia, because segregation was god's plan. They closed their restaurants, marched around with ax handles, joined the KKK, and put the confederate battle flag back on the Georgia state flag.....

And, in the end,they lost. Even George Wallace told the press before he died that he had been wrong about segregation.

Obviously, today's religious bigots need more time to get their shit together.

What a sad bunch of losers....

It's not religious bigotry to refuse to create a cake for a homo wedding.

Apparently, the Oregon judiciary disagrees with you on that.

I am sure that they will consider your letter of protest carefully, before they discard it in to file 13.....

 

[Faun]

It is unfortunate that the memory of society is so pitifully short. In my lifetime, I spent 20 years, in the 1960's and 1950's of listening to bigots explain that they were refusing service to African-Americans back home in Georgia, because segregation was god's plan. They closed their restaurants, marched around with ax handles, joined the KKK, and put the confederate battle flag back on the Georgia state flag.....

And, in the end,they lost. Even George Wallace told the press before he died that he had been wrong about segregation.

Obviously, today's religious bigots need more time to get their shit together.

What a sad bunch of losers....

It's not religious bigotry to refuse to create a cake for a homo wedding.

There still remains nothing in the Bible condemning the baking such a cake.

 

[koshergrl]

It is unfortunate that the memory of society is so pitifully short. In my lifetime, I spent 20 years, in the 1960's and 1950's of listening to bigots explain that they were refusing service to African-Americans back home in Georgia, because segregation was god's plan. They closed their restaurants, marched around with ax handles, joined the KKK, and put the confederate battle flag back on the Georgia state flag.....

And, in the end,they lost. Even George Wallace told the press before he died that he had been wrong about segregation.

Obviously, today's religious bigots need more time to get their shit together.

What a sad bunch of losers....

It's not religious bigotry to refuse to create a cake for a homo wedding.

Apparently, the Oregon judiciary disagrees with you on that.

I am sure that they will consider your letter of protest carefully, before they discard it in to file 13.....

The Oregon judiciary and boli, in this case, are corrupt, incestuous and wrong. Homos don't have a constitutional right to Christian made cakes. And they won't get them.

 

[Vandalshandle]

It is unfortunate that the memory of society is so pitifully short. In my lifetime, I spent 20 years, in the 1960's and 1950's of listening to bigots explain that they were refusing service to African-Americans back home in Georgia, because segregation was god's plan. They closed their restaurants, marched around with ax handles, joined the KKK, and put the confederate battle flag back on the Georgia state flag.....

And, in the end,they lost. Even George Wallace told the press before he died that he had been wrong about segregation.

Obviously, today's religious bigots need more time to get their shit together.

What a sad bunch of losers....

It's not religious bigotry to refuse to create a cake for a homo wedding.

There still remains nothing in the Bible condemning the baking such a cake.

Nor is there anything in the Bible against integration, but your average fundie makes up his own Bible.

 

[Vandalshandle]

The Oregon judiciary and boli, in this case, are corrupt, incestuous and wrong. Homos don't have a constitutional right to Christian made cakes. And they won't get them.

You left out , "nazi, communistic, perverted, and sacrilegious....."

 

[koshergrl]

It is unfortunate that the memory of society is so pitifully short. In my lifetime, I spent 20 years, in the 1960's and 1950's of listening to bigots explain that they were refusing service to African-Americans back home in Georgia, because segregation was god's plan. They closed their restaurants, marched around with ax handles, joined the KKK, and put the confederate battle flag back on the Georgia state flag.....

And, in the end,they lost. Even George Wallace told the press before he died that he had been wrong about segregation.

Obviously, today's religious bigots need more time to get their shit together.

What a sad bunch of losers....

It's not religious bigotry to refuse to create a cake for a homo wedding.

There still remains nothing in the Bible condemning the baking such a cake.

Nor is there anything in the Bible against integration, but your average fundie makes up his own Bible.

And there you go into Lala land. Progressives really are mentally ill.

 

[koshergrl]

The Oregon judiciary and boli, in this case, are corrupt, incestuous and wrong. Homos don't have a constitutional right to Christian made cakes. And they won't get them.

You left out , "nazi, communistic, perverted, and sacrilegious....."

No, I say what I mean. You people are big on adding content and pretending it originated from elsewhere..