The DNC should never have let Bernie run

[Pumpkin Row]

I explained the difference between the two. You don't seem to understand what either one is. Then again, if you did, you wouldn't be a Regressive.

No, you dont know the difference. Obviously. They are NIGHT AND DAY difference, pumpkin. Your own frikkin link said that.. smh
Why am I a regressive? because im not repeating ignorant 30 year old talking points? ummm... lol

More because you support regressive policies. Socialism is a hair away from Communism, they both have government control of the means of production as a core component, and expand government power in the process. The main difference is that Communism makes the citizens government property in the process.

What regressive policies do I support?
No it isn't. Who told you this? Readers digest? YOUR OWN LINK says otherwise.

Wasn't a link, but an image confirming the key component someone else was questioning. If I'm wrong, then deny the similarities I mentioned. Except you can't deny them, because they're confirmed similarities, as those are the changes that occur within both forms of societies.

What regressive policies do I support?
I already have. Sad thing is, so did you
Socialism - currency, social concepts HUGE government
Communism - no social concepts, gender or govt.
Just three things that are ass opposite of each other. And if you break down the social concepts, you got 11,987,876 more.
Would you like me to elaborate further? I can discuss this stuff all day.

Name one Communist society that has followed any of those things you've mentioned. They've all had huge government, control or replacement of private industry, and few rights of the people. Communism is just one step forward from Socialism, and the fact that Bernie has claimed to be both goes to show that.

 

[TNHarley]

No, you dont know the difference. Obviously. They are NIGHT AND DAY difference, pumpkin. Your own frikkin link said that.. smh
Why am I a regressive? because im not repeating ignorant 30 year old talking points? ummm... lol

More because you support regressive policies. Socialism is a hair away from Communism, they both have government control of the means of production as a core component, and expand government power in the process. The main difference is that Communism makes the citizens government property in the process.

What regressive policies do I support?
No it isn't. Who told you this? Readers digest? YOUR OWN LINK says otherwise.

Wasn't a link, but an image confirming the key component someone else was questioning. If I'm wrong, then deny the similarities I mentioned. Except you can't deny them, because they're confirmed similarities, as those are the changes that occur within both forms of societies.

What regressive policies do I support?
I already have. Sad thing is, so did you
Socialism - currency, social concepts HUGE government
Communism - no social concepts, gender or govt.
Just three things that are ass opposite of each other. And if you break down the social concepts, you got 11,987,876 more.
Would you like me to elaborate further? I can discuss this stuff all day.

Name one Communist society that has followed any of those things you've mentioned. They've all had huge government, control or replacement of private industry, and few rights of the people. Communism is just one step forward from Socialism, and the fact that Bernie has claimed to be both goes to show that.

That was my point, silly. Just because you call yourself something, doesn't mean jack shit to reality.
If you called yourself a male, are you a male?
If a socialist called himself a capitalist, is he a capitalist?
You are confusing socialist dictators with commies. It doesn't matter what they claim, you are just continuing their ignorance and/or political theater.
It isn't one step. If you actually read anything about Marx, you would know that. Im pretty sure a revolution isn't a "step" lol
Again, your own pic said there wasn't a government in communism... that ALONE is a killer..
Are you going to tell me what regressive policies I support or what?

 

[Pogo]

No, you dont know the difference. Obviously. They are NIGHT AND DAY difference, pumpkin. Your own frikkin link said that.. smh
Why am I a regressive? because im not repeating ignorant 30 year old talking points? ummm... lol

More because you support regressive policies. Socialism is a hair away from Communism, they both have government control of the means of production as a core component, and expand government power in the process. The main difference is that Communism makes the citizens government property in the process.

What regressive policies do I support?
No it isn't. Who told you this? Readers digest? YOUR OWN LINK says otherwise.

Wasn't a link, but an image confirming the key component someone else was questioning. If I'm wrong, then deny the similarities I mentioned. Except you can't deny them, because they're confirmed similarities, as those are the changes that occur within both forms of societies.

What regressive policies do I support?
I already have. Sad thing is, so did you
Socialism - currency, social concepts HUGE government
Communism - no social concepts, gender or govt.
Just three things that are ass opposite of each other. And if you break down the social concepts, you got 11,987,876 more.
Would you like me to elaborate further? I can discuss this stuff all day.

Name one Communist society that has followed any of those things you've mentioned. They've all had huge government, control or replacement of private industry, and few rights of the people. Communism is just one step forward from Socialism, and the fact that Bernie has claimed to be both goes to show that.

Bernie has never claimed to be "communist". His term is "Democratic Socialist", by which he models after Denmark and the Nordic countries.

You seem to have avoided that definition in favor of redefining the basis altogether. Why is that exactly?

 

[Pogo]

I would never support a Socialist, I especially would never vote for a Communist. I don't care how honest he is, he'd 'honestly' destroy our economy, and everything that makes our country great. Integrity is useless when the individual is delusional.

You've invited this line of question, since you're 14 years old ---- what is a "socialist"? What is a "communist"? And what is the difference?

Finally, what is a "Democratic Socialist"?

Socialism is government control of the means of production. Communism is the same, but with the added removal of 'social classes', 'wealth gaps', and the State.

An oxymoron.

Removal of the State huh?

What about Democratic Socialism -- the one that actually applies to the election?

Have you heard this one before---
"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism --- it's the other way around"

Yes, that's a core component.

Democratic Socialism is an oxymoron. There's no will of the people in absolute government power.

Under Communism man exploits man, and government exploits man. Absolute government power creates a very fragile nation, from the inside and the outside. Government controlling the means of production, private industry, cannot work. It's only made worse by the extra power the government gains through it.

Actually proper Communism would work where everyone works together as a team and no one is in charge of government, people just have their jobs that they do because they want to do, and want society to work well together.

The closest you might get to this is actually in the most primitive forms of humanity where people live together and survive together (or not) in the wilderness. Say like the Native Americans or other hunter gatherers. Yes there might be leadership in there, which takes it away from true Communism, but it's the closest because that leadership was more natural than what modern societies have.

The biggest problem is the inherent selfishness of human beings, so Communism won't work.

And yet -- I know a particular religious sect that's been using it for five hundred years, with astounding success.

That's not a national government, but kind of a religion-based local-cell administration, completely self-sufficient and independent of whatever government happens to be in charge around it.

Common ownership of means of production -- check.
Absence of social classes -- check.
Absence of money --- individual money, yes. Exists only at the collective level. No personal possessions beyond basically one's own clothes.
absence of a State -- depending on what we mean by "State", check again.

Not a government as we usually define it, but definitely communism.

 

[Pogo]

Bernie is not now nor has he ever been a Democrat. But they decided to be nice; a dumb move when it comes to politics. The DNC should have known that allowing a socialist to run would end up making the party look stupid. Oh well hindsight is 20/20.

Also, I'm amused that republicans are showing such strong support for Bernie, who is an open communist. Almost as if they have no idea how much better he polls against Trump than Hillary.

The DNC embarrassed itself by putting up such a weak candidate against the socialist.

The DNC and RNC don't "put up candidates". Candidates put themselves up.
Where are you from -- Latvia?

 

[Tehon]

Bernie is not now nor has he ever been a Democrat. But they decided to be nice; a dumb move when it comes to politics. The DNC should have known that allowing a socialist to run would end up making the party look stupid. Oh well hindsight is 20/20.

Also, I'm amused that republicans are showing such strong support for Bernie, who is an open communist. Almost as if they have no idea how much better he polls against Trump than Hillary.

The DNC embarrassed itself by putting up such a weak candidate against the socialist.

The DNC and RNC don't "put up candidates". Candidates put themselves up.
Where are you from -- Latvia?

Not in this case. Hillary was the DNC's candidate, or didn't you see the emails or hear the news of the chairperson's resignation.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

More because you support regressive policies. Socialism is a hair away from Communism, they both have government control of the means of production as a core component, and expand government power in the process. The main difference is that Communism makes the citizens government property in the process.

What regressive policies do I support?
No it isn't. Who told you this? Readers digest? YOUR OWN LINK says otherwise.

Wasn't a link, but an image confirming the key component someone else was questioning. If I'm wrong, then deny the similarities I mentioned. Except you can't deny them, because they're confirmed similarities, as those are the changes that occur within both forms of societies.

What regressive policies do I support?
I already have. Sad thing is, so did you
Socialism - currency, social concepts HUGE government
Communism - no social concepts, gender or govt.
Just three things that are ass opposite of each other. And if you break down the social concepts, you got 11,987,876 more.
Would you like me to elaborate further? I can discuss this stuff all day.

Name one Communist society that has followed any of those things you've mentioned. They've all had huge government, control or replacement of private industry, and few rights of the people. Communism is just one step forward from Socialism, and the fact that Bernie has claimed to be both goes to show that.

That was my point, silly. Just because you call yourself something, doesn't mean jack shit to reality.
If you called yourself a male, are you a male?
If a socialist called himself a capitalist, is he a capitalist?
You are confusing socialist dictators with commies. It doesn't matter what they claim, you are just continuing their ignorance and/or political theater.
It isn't one step. If you actually read anything about Marx, you would know that. Im pretty sure a revolution isn't a "step" lol
Again, your own pic said there wasn't a government in communism... that ALONE is a killer..
Are you going to tell me what regressive policies I support or what?

What those nations referred to as Communism is as close as it gets. You're trying to claim that if it lacks a single component, it still isn't the same thing, when that's not the case. China and Russia are/were still Communist.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

More because you support regressive policies. Socialism is a hair away from Communism, they both have government control of the means of production as a core component, and expand government power in the process. The main difference is that Communism makes the citizens government property in the process.

What regressive policies do I support?
No it isn't. Who told you this? Readers digest? YOUR OWN LINK says otherwise.

Wasn't a link, but an image confirming the key component someone else was questioning. If I'm wrong, then deny the similarities I mentioned. Except you can't deny them, because they're confirmed similarities, as those are the changes that occur within both forms of societies.

What regressive policies do I support?
I already have. Sad thing is, so did you
Socialism - currency, social concepts HUGE government
Communism - no social concepts, gender or govt.
Just three things that are ass opposite of each other. And if you break down the social concepts, you got 11,987,876 more.
Would you like me to elaborate further? I can discuss this stuff all day.

Name one Communist society that has followed any of those things you've mentioned. They've all had huge government, control or replacement of private industry, and few rights of the people. Communism is just one step forward from Socialism, and the fact that Bernie has claimed to be both goes to show that.

Bernie has never claimed to be "communist". His term is "Democratic Socialist", by which he models after Denmark and the Nordic countries.

You seem to have avoided that definition in favor of redefining the basis altogether. Why is that exactly?

He was certainly claiming to be communist earlier in his career before running for president. He's only trying to soften his image, because most people are old enough to know better than to vote for a Communist.

I'm not redefining it, a Communist Government is still a Communist Government.

 

[Pogo]

He was certainly claiming to be communist earlier in his career before running for president.

Link?

Look, Bernie Sanders was my Congressman when I lived in Vermont. This isn't new territory for me.

You seem to be unable to answer the question.

 

[TNHarley]

What regressive policies do I support?
No it isn't. Who told you this? Readers digest? YOUR OWN LINK says otherwise.

Wasn't a link, but an image confirming the key component someone else was questioning. If I'm wrong, then deny the similarities I mentioned. Except you can't deny them, because they're confirmed similarities, as those are the changes that occur within both forms of societies.

What regressive policies do I support?
I already have. Sad thing is, so did you
Socialism - currency, social concepts HUGE government
Communism - no social concepts, gender or govt.
Just three things that are ass opposite of each other. And if you break down the social concepts, you got 11,987,876 more.
Would you like me to elaborate further? I can discuss this stuff all day.

Name one Communist society that has followed any of those things you've mentioned. They've all had huge government, control or replacement of private industry, and few rights of the people. Communism is just one step forward from Socialism, and the fact that Bernie has claimed to be both goes to show that.

That was my point, silly. Just because you call yourself something, doesn't mean jack shit to reality.
If you called yourself a male, are you a male?
If a socialist called himself a capitalist, is he a capitalist?
You are confusing socialist dictators with commies. It doesn't matter what they claim, you are just continuing their ignorance and/or political theater.
It isn't one step. If you actually read anything about Marx, you would know that. Im pretty sure a revolution isn't a "step" lol
Again, your own pic said there wasn't a government in communism... that ALONE is a killer..
Are you going to tell me what regressive policies I support or what?

What those nations referred to as Communism is as close as it gets. You're trying to claim that if it lacks a single component, it still isn't the same thing, when that's not the case. China and Russia are/were still Communist.

there were MANY differences. Wasn't just one. Are you even reading my posts?
And besides that, I would think common ownership and a huge dictatorship is a pretty big difference..

 

[ClosedCaption]

I know a lot of "righties" that liked sanders. It wasn't his policies, but the fact he seemed to have integrity and focused on American advancement instead of foreign.
I liked Bernie. If he was the nom, I would vote for him over trump now. I would probably regret it in the long run, because now I know what a sell out he was/is.

Any integrity Sanders had went out the window when he sold out and supported Clinton

Tell us about Lying Ted betraying Trump all because he said his wife was fugly and his dad was on the grassy knoll

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Wasn't a link, but an image confirming the key component someone else was questioning. If I'm wrong, then deny the similarities I mentioned. Except you can't deny them, because they're confirmed similarities, as those are the changes that occur within both forms of societies.

What regressive policies do I support?
I already have. Sad thing is, so did you
Socialism - currency, social concepts HUGE government
Communism - no social concepts, gender or govt.
Just three things that are ass opposite of each other. And if you break down the social concepts, you got 11,987,876 more.
Would you like me to elaborate further? I can discuss this stuff all day.

Name one Communist society that has followed any of those things you've mentioned. They've all had huge government, control or replacement of private industry, and few rights of the people. Communism is just one step forward from Socialism, and the fact that Bernie has claimed to be both goes to show that.

That was my point, silly. Just because you call yourself something, doesn't mean jack shit to reality.
If you called yourself a male, are you a male?
If a socialist called himself a capitalist, is he a capitalist?
You are confusing socialist dictators with commies. It doesn't matter what they claim, you are just continuing their ignorance and/or political theater.
It isn't one step. If you actually read anything about Marx, you would know that. Im pretty sure a revolution isn't a "step" lol
Again, your own pic said there wasn't a government in communism... that ALONE is a killer..
Are you going to tell me what regressive policies I support or what?

What those nations referred to as Communism is as close as it gets. You're trying to claim that if it lacks a single component, it still isn't the same thing, when that's not the case. China and Russia are/were still Communist.

there were MANY differences. Wasn't just one. Are you even reading my posts?
And besides that, I would think common ownership and a huge dictatorship is a pretty big difference..

It isn't, in practice. As has always been a common thing with Communist nations, it has meant government control. It was defined as something else, it's supposed to be something else, it has never been practiced as something else.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

He was certainly claiming to be communist earlier in his career before running for president.

Link?

Look, Bernie Sanders was my Congressman when I lived in Vermont. This isn't new territory for me.

You seem to be unable to answer the question.

So, you lived in the People's Republic of Vermont? Poor soul.

 

[Pogo]

He was certainly claiming to be communist earlier in his career before running for president.

Link?

Look, Bernie Sanders was my Congressman when I lived in Vermont. This isn't new territory for me.

You seem to be unable to answer the question.

So, you lived in the People's Republic of Vermont? Poor soul.

Yeah? Why?

You seem to be unable to answer the last question too. Care to go for the trifecta?

 

[Pumpkin Row]

He was certainly claiming to be communist earlier in his career before running for president.

Link?

Look, Bernie Sanders was my Congressman when I lived in Vermont. This isn't new territory for me.

You seem to be unable to answer the question.

So, you lived in the People's Republic of Vermont? Poor soul.

Yeah? Why?

You seem to be unable to answer the last question too. Care to go for the trifecta?

The People's Republic is a name usually used by Communist Nations. I was pointing out that he called it by that name is reference to that fact.

 

[TNHarley]

What regressive policies do I support?
I already have. Sad thing is, so did you
Socialism - currency, social concepts HUGE government
Communism - no social concepts, gender or govt.
Just three things that are ass opposite of each other. And if you break down the social concepts, you got 11,987,876 more.
Would you like me to elaborate further? I can discuss this stuff all day.

Name one Communist society that has followed any of those things you've mentioned. They've all had huge government, control or replacement of private industry, and few rights of the people. Communism is just one step forward from Socialism, and the fact that Bernie has claimed to be both goes to show that.

That was my point, silly. Just because you call yourself something, doesn't mean jack shit to reality.
If you called yourself a male, are you a male?
If a socialist called himself a capitalist, is he a capitalist?
You are confusing socialist dictators with commies. It doesn't matter what they claim, you are just continuing their ignorance and/or political theater.
It isn't one step. If you actually read anything about Marx, you would know that. Im pretty sure a revolution isn't a "step" lol
Again, your own pic said there wasn't a government in communism... that ALONE is a killer..
Are you going to tell me what regressive policies I support or what?

What those nations referred to as Communism is as close as it gets. You're trying to claim that if it lacks a single component, it still isn't the same thing, when that's not the case. China and Russia are/were still Communist.

there were MANY differences. Wasn't just one. Are you even reading my posts?
And besides that, I would think common ownership and a huge dictatorship is a pretty big difference..

It isn't, in practice. As has always been a common thing with Communist nations, it has meant government control. It was defined as something else, it's supposed to be something else, it has never been practiced as something else.

OMG
"Lipstick on pigs make them beauty queens!!"
Lol are you trolling me? At this point, that's the only thing I can think of to explain your posts.
I am still waiting on those regressive policies I support.

 

[Pogo]

He was certainly claiming to be communist earlier in his career before running for president.

Link?

Look, Bernie Sanders was my Congressman when I lived in Vermont. This isn't new territory for me.

You seem to be unable to answer the question.

So, you lived in the People's Republic of Vermont? Poor soul.

Yeah? Why?

You seem to be unable to answer the last question too. Care to go for the trifecta?

The People's Republic is a name usually used by Communist Nations. I was pointing out that he called it by that name is reference to that fact.

Actually what I said was "Link?" and that's to "He was certainly claiming to be communist earlier in his career before running for president". I never got that link.

That was question two.

Question one was what does he mean by "Democratic Socialist" (his own label), which question you tried to brush away with "there's no such thing". Even though it's his phrase.

Question three was why I am a "poor soul" for having lived in Vermont.

Three strikes without a swing.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

He was certainly claiming to be communist earlier in his career before running for president.

Link?

Look, Bernie Sanders was my Congressman when I lived in Vermont. This isn't new territory for me.

You seem to be unable to answer the question.

So, you lived in the People's Republic of Vermont? Poor soul.

Yeah? Why?

You seem to be unable to answer the last question too. Care to go for the trifecta?

The People's Republic is a name usually used by Communist Nations. I was pointing out that he called it by that name is reference to that fact.

Actually what I said was "Link?" and that's to "He was certainly claiming to be communist earlier in his career before running for president". I never got that link.

That was question two.

Question one was what does he mean by "Democratic Socialist" (his own label), which question you tried to brush away with "there's no such thing". Even though it's his phrase.

Question three was why I am a "poor soul" for having lived in Vermont.

Three strikes without a swing.

I already answered the first two questions. He's trying to soften his image by calling himself a Democratic Socialist.

Second question, I have no proof that he called himself a Communist, but given his use of names and his policies, and the fact he was referred to as "Comrade from Vermont", it's pretty clear that he's a Communist.

Because you had Bernie as a Congressman~

 

[Pogo]

I already answered the first two questions. He's trying to soften his image by calling himself a Democratic Socialist.

Yes, you said that. And it's a cop-out. You can't define it because it doesn't fit your preconception.

--- which leads us directly to:

Second question, I have no proof that he called himself a Communist, but given his use of names and his policies, and the fact he was referred to as "Comrade from Vermont", it's pretty clear that he's a Communist.

So you made it up, and expect it to be taken as fact. Then you top it off with the old "Everybody Knows" Fallacy.
Swing and a miss.

Because you had Bernie as a Congressman~

Yes I was lucky. I know that he holds the highest approval rating among his constituents of anyone in the Senate, and that was the sentiment at that time as well.

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Anyone who stands up to the Duopoly, and wins doing it, well that's the kind of representation I want.
Your mileage may vary. But it was a great place to live.

 

[oreo]

Bernie is not now nor has he ever been a Democrat. But they decided to be nice; a dumb move when it comes to politics. The DNC should have known that allowing a socialist to run would end up making the party look stupid. Oh well hindsight is 20/20.

Also, I'm amused that republicans are showing such strong support for Bernie, who is an open communist. Almost as if they have no idea how much better he polls against Trump than Hillary.

Totally agree--and Reich wingers are rallying these emails that were leaked by RUSSIA--in their effort to get Donald Trump elected--LOL

So rationally one would ask themselves why is it, that Russia wants Donald Trump to be POTUS?