The DNC should never have let Bernie run

[frigidweirdo]

I know a lot of "righties" that liked sanders. It wasn't his policies, but the fact he seemed to have integrity and focused on American advancement instead of foreign.
I liked Bernie. If he was the nom, I would vote for him over trump now. I would probably regret it in the long run, because now I know what a sell out he was/is.

I would never support a Socialist, I especially would never vote for a Communist. I don't care how honest he is, he'd 'honestly' destroy our economy, and everything that makes our country great. Integrity is useless when the individual is delusional.

You've invited this line of question, since you're 14 years old ---- what is a "socialist"? What is a "communist"? And what is the difference?

Finally, what is a "Democratic Socialist"?

Socialism is government control of the means of production. Communism is the same, but with the added removal of 'social classes', 'wealth gaps', and the State.

An oxymoron.

Removal of the State huh?

What about Democratic Socialism -- the one that actually applies to the election?

Have you heard this one before---
"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism --- it's the other way around"

Yes, that's a core component.

Democratic Socialism is an oxymoron. There's no will of the people in absolute government power.

Under Communism man exploits man, and government exploits man. Absolute government power creates a very fragile nation, from the inside and the outside. Government controlling the means of production, private industry, cannot work. It's only made worse by the extra power the government gains through it.

Actually proper Communism would work where everyone works together as a team and no one is in charge of government, people just have their jobs that they do because they want to do, and want society to work well together.

The closest you might get to this is actually in the most primitive forms of humanity where people live together and survive together (or not) in the wilderness. Say like the Native Americans or other hunter gatherers. Yes there might be leadership in there, which takes it away from true Communism, but it's the closest because that leadership was more natural than what modern societies have.

The biggest problem is the inherent selfishness of human beings, so Communism won't work.

 

[TNHarley]

I copied from the wiki only because I didn't know of a written source to show you with. I've read numerous books and historical accounts of Socialism and Communism, I didn't need the wiki to tell me what it is.

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I find that hard to believe. You dont seem to even understand the most basic difference between the 2

 

[Staidhup]

I find it interesting in that the progressive party rejects socialism, yet their own central party's candidate promotes socialism in the attempt to solidify her base. Burnout simply ripped open the curtain of deceit and exposed the truth.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

I would never support a Socialist, I especially would never vote for a Communist. I don't care how honest he is, he'd 'honestly' destroy our economy, and everything that makes our country great. Integrity is useless when the individual is delusional.

You've invited this line of question, since you're 14 years old ---- what is a "socialist"? What is a "communist"? And what is the difference?

Finally, what is a "Democratic Socialist"?

Socialism is government control of the means of production. Communism is the same, but with the added removal of 'social classes', 'wealth gaps', and the State.

An oxymoron.

Removal of the State huh?

What about Democratic Socialism -- the one that actually applies to the election?

Have you heard this one before---
"Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism --- it's the other way around"

Yes, that's a core component.

Democratic Socialism is an oxymoron. There's no will of the people in absolute government power.

Under Communism man exploits man, and government exploits man. Absolute government power creates a very fragile nation, from the inside and the outside. Government controlling the means of production, private industry, cannot work. It's only made worse by the extra power the government gains through it.

Actually proper Communism would work where everyone works together as a team and no one is in charge of government, people just have their jobs that they do because they want to do, and want society to work well together.

The closest you might get to this is actually in the most primitive forms of humanity where people live together and survive together (or not) in the wilderness. Say like the Native Americans or other hunter gatherers. Yes there might be leadership in there, which takes it away from true Communism, but it's the closest because that leadership was more natural than what modern societies have.

The biggest problem is the inherent selfishness of human beings, so Communism won't work.

And because it doesn't work, societies try to make it work by using the government, as it's the only entity that can force you, through law. As such, the closest things we've had are Russia and China. By that line of reasoning, claiming that they aren't Communist is outright silly.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

I find that hard to believe. You dont seem to even understand the most basic difference between the 2

I explained the difference between the two. You don't seem to understand what either one is. Then again, if you did, you wouldn't be a Regressive.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Bernie is not now nor has he ever been a Democrat. But they decided to be nice; a dumb move when it comes to politics. The DNC should have known that allowing a socialist to run would end up making the party look stupid. Oh well hindsight is 20/20.

Also, I'm amused that republicans are showing such strong support for Bernie, who is an open communist. Almost as if they have no idea how much better he polls against Trump than Hillary.

I don't support that FRAUD but I do respect those who truly followed him and are not going to allow his capitulation to corruption deter them. He's a sell out.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Bernie is not now nor has he ever been a Democrat. But they decided to be nice; a dumb move when it comes to politics. The DNC should have known that allowing a socialist to run would end up making the party look stupid. Oh well hindsight is 20/20.

Also, I'm amused that republicans are showing such strong support for Bernie, who is an open communist. Almost as if they have no idea how much better he polls against Trump than Hillary.

I don't support that FRAUD but I do respect those who truly followed him and are not going to allow his capitulation to corruption deter them. He's a sell out.

He'd have likely won if his supporters were old enough to vote. Though, then they'd be old enough to know better, and wouldn't vote for him. Poor Bernie.

 

[NYcarbineer]

And what other course do you think he has?

Holding onto his values and dignity instead of endorsing what he was fighting against?

He was fighting against the Right first and foremost. His battle with Clinton was over who was a better opponent of the Right, based on beliefs.

You don't start fighting for the enemy just because you don't win top spot on your own team.

He was fighting against the Establishment, which he deems the 1%, or the Rich, or any number of silly, misleading names he can come up with. I never said he should fight for the enemy, he could have supported Jill Stein or Gary Johnson, or nobody. It would have been entirely within his values and beliefs to support the Green Party Candidate, far more so than Hillary.

You are accusing him of not having integrity because he won't now help Trump win.

No, I'm accusing him of having no integrity because he won't help a third party win. Fairly certain he was complaining about the two party system, too. So what does he do? He endorses the Establishment, and half of the duopoly.

A third party can't win.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Holding onto his values and dignity instead of endorsing what he was fighting against?

He was fighting against the Right first and foremost. His battle with Clinton was over who was a better opponent of the Right, based on beliefs.

You don't start fighting for the enemy just because you don't win top spot on your own team.

He was fighting against the Establishment, which he deems the 1%, or the Rich, or any number of silly, misleading names he can come up with. I never said he should fight for the enemy, he could have supported Jill Stein or Gary Johnson, or nobody. It would have been entirely within his values and beliefs to support the Green Party Candidate, far more so than Hillary.

You are accusing him of not having integrity because he won't now help Trump win.

No, I'm accusing him of having no integrity because he won't help a third party win. Fairly certain he was complaining about the two party system, too. So what does he do? He endorses the Establishment, and half of the duopoly.

A third party can't win.

That line of thought is part of the reason they don't win. Bernie has a large following, and if he threw his support behind a third party candidate, they'd gain enough support to make it to the debates, which would give them a solid chance.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I can call myself a progressive, but if I support regressive policies, I aint exactly a progressive, am I?
Fact is, they were full of shit. Like stalin, he wasn't a commie. He was a socialist dictator. Same with Cuba. Same with NK.

Progressives are already Regressives. Their policies are all regressive in nature. I suppose every other Communist Nation that followed suit were also full of it? Oh, but then we run out of examples. I guess there was just never a Communist Nation? I like you, but you're silly.

Define what you think regressive means and then name the regressive liberal beliefs.

Business and industrial regulation. Raising business taxes. Federal Aid in general.

Regulating businesses is regressive? What does that regress to? Regress means to go back.

What era in the past would one be going back to in supporting the regulation of business?

The 1950s, where the Great Depression was extended by seven years due to those specific policies.

lol, there was more regulation on business during the Great Depression? You're daft.

 

[NYcarbineer]

He was fighting against the Right first and foremost. His battle with Clinton was over who was a better opponent of the Right, based on beliefs.

You don't start fighting for the enemy just because you don't win top spot on your own team.

He was fighting against the Establishment, which he deems the 1%, or the Rich, or any number of silly, misleading names he can come up with. I never said he should fight for the enemy, he could have supported Jill Stein or Gary Johnson, or nobody. It would have been entirely within his values and beliefs to support the Green Party Candidate, far more so than Hillary.

You are accusing him of not having integrity because he won't now help Trump win.

No, I'm accusing him of having no integrity because he won't help a third party win. Fairly certain he was complaining about the two party system, too. So what does he do? He endorses the Establishment, and half of the duopoly.

A third party can't win.

That line of thought is part of the reason they don't win. Bernie has a large following, and if he threw his support behind a third party candidate, they'd gain enough support to make it to the debates, which would give them a solid chance.

That line of thought is called reality.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Progressives are already Regressives. Their policies are all regressive in nature. I suppose every other Communist Nation that followed suit were also full of it? Oh, but then we run out of examples. I guess there was just never a Communist Nation? I like you, but you're silly.

Define what you think regressive means and then name the regressive liberal beliefs.

Business and industrial regulation. Raising business taxes. Federal Aid in general.

Regulating businesses is regressive? What does that regress to? Regress means to go back.

What era in the past would one be going back to in supporting the regulation of business?

The 1950s, where the Great Depression was extended by seven years due to those specific policies.

lol, there was more regulation on business during the Great Depression? You're daft.

You must have forgotten the NIRA. Yes, there was massive, nearly crippling regulation on businesses. Prices were selected by the government and locked, unionism was compulsory, the government selected wages. The government practically ran businesses through the NIRA.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

He was fighting against the Establishment, which he deems the 1%, or the Rich, or any number of silly, misleading names he can come up with. I never said he should fight for the enemy, he could have supported Jill Stein or Gary Johnson, or nobody. It would have been entirely within his values and beliefs to support the Green Party Candidate, far more so than Hillary.

You are accusing him of not having integrity because he won't now help Trump win.

No, I'm accusing him of having no integrity because he won't help a third party win. Fairly certain he was complaining about the two party system, too. So what does he do? He endorses the Establishment, and half of the duopoly.

A third party can't win.

That line of thought is part of the reason they don't win. Bernie has a large following, and if he threw his support behind a third party candidate, they'd gain enough support to make it to the debates, which would give them a solid chance.

That line of thought is called reality.

They can win if someone of note endorsed their candidates. Like Bernie.

 

[TNHarley]

I find that hard to believe. You dont seem to even understand the most basic difference between the 2

I explained the difference between the two. You don't seem to understand what either one is. Then again, if you did, you wouldn't be a Regressive.

No, you dont know the difference. Obviously. They are NIGHT AND DAY difference, pumpkin. Your own frikkin link said that.. smh
Why am I a regressive? because im not repeating ignorant 30 year old talking points? ummm... lol

 

[Pumpkin Row]

I find that hard to believe. You dont seem to even understand the most basic difference between the 2

I explained the difference between the two. You don't seem to understand what either one is. Then again, if you did, you wouldn't be a Regressive.

No, you dont know the difference. Obviously. They are NIGHT AND DAY difference, pumpkin. Your own frikkin link said that.. smh
Why am I a regressive? because im not repeating ignorant 30 year old talking points? ummm... lol

More because you support regressive policies. Socialism is a hair away from Communism, they both have government control of the means of production as a core component, and expand government power in the process. The main difference is that Communism makes the citizens government property in the process.

 

[TNHarley]

I find that hard to believe. You dont seem to even understand the most basic difference between the 2

I explained the difference between the two. You don't seem to understand what either one is. Then again, if you did, you wouldn't be a Regressive.

No, you dont know the difference. Obviously. They are NIGHT AND DAY difference, pumpkin. Your own frikkin link said that.. smh
Why am I a regressive? because im not repeating ignorant 30 year old talking points? ummm... lol

More because you support regressive policies. Socialism is a hair away from Communism, they both have government control of the means of production as a core component, and expand government power in the process. The main difference is that Communism makes the citizens government property in the process.

What regressive policies do I support?
No it isn't. Who told you this? Readers digest? YOUR OWN LINK says otherwise.

 

[Tehon]

Bernie is not now nor has he ever been a Democrat. But they decided to be nice; a dumb move when it comes to politics. The DNC should have known that allowing a socialist to run would end up making the party look stupid. Oh well hindsight is 20/20.

Also, I'm amused that republicans are showing such strong support for Bernie, who is an open communist. Almost as if they have no idea how much better he polls against Trump than Hillary.

The DNC embarrassed itself by putting up such a weak candidate against the socialist.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

I find that hard to believe. You dont seem to even understand the most basic difference between the 2

I explained the difference between the two. You don't seem to understand what either one is. Then again, if you did, you wouldn't be a Regressive.

No, you dont know the difference. Obviously. They are NIGHT AND DAY difference, pumpkin. Your own frikkin link said that.. smh
Why am I a regressive? because im not repeating ignorant 30 year old talking points? ummm... lol

More because you support regressive policies. Socialism is a hair away from Communism, they both have government control of the means of production as a core component, and expand government power in the process. The main difference is that Communism makes the citizens government property in the process.

What regressive policies do I support?
No it isn't. Who told you this? Readers digest? YOUR OWN LINK says otherwise.

Wasn't a link, but an image confirming the key component someone else was questioning. If I'm wrong, then deny the similarities I mentioned. Except you can't deny them, because they're confirmed similarities, as those are the changes that occur within both forms of societies.

 

[TNHarley]

I find that hard to believe. You dont seem to even understand the most basic difference between the 2

I explained the difference between the two. You don't seem to understand what either one is. Then again, if you did, you wouldn't be a Regressive.

No, you dont know the difference. Obviously. They are NIGHT AND DAY difference, pumpkin. Your own frikkin link said that.. smh
Why am I a regressive? because im not repeating ignorant 30 year old talking points? ummm... lol

More because you support regressive policies. Socialism is a hair away from Communism, they both have government control of the means of production as a core component, and expand government power in the process. The main difference is that Communism makes the citizens government property in the process.

What regressive policies do I support?
No it isn't. Who told you this? Readers digest? YOUR OWN LINK says otherwise.

Wasn't a link, but an image confirming the key component someone else was questioning. If I'm wrong, then deny the similarities I mentioned. Except you can't deny them, because they're confirmed similarities, as those are the changes that occur within both forms of societies.

What regressive policies do I support?
I already have. Sad thing is, so did you
Socialism - currency, social concepts HUGE government
Communism - no social concepts, gender or govt.
Just three things that are ass opposite of each other. And if you break down the social concepts, you got 11,987,876 more.
Would you like me to elaborate further? I can discuss this stuff all day.

 

[Fueri]

Hell, the DNC should never have let Hillary run. She is a flawed and vulnerable candidate.

Bernie runs away with this election. Only the crap choice of Clinton has this even close and now the whine is that Bernie shouldn't have been allowed to run at all.

The DNC has fucked up plenty, but it's all on them. It's not Sanders' fault that those douchebags torpedoed him and now it's coming to light, or that Hillary sucks.

Good stuff right there. Everyone step aside and allow the queen safe passage. Bernie did it! waaa! waaa! waaa! LOL.