"...understand each other"? This presumes that both sides listen to the other and take their words and experiences into consideration. That may be true of some blacks but it is definitely not the case with you. You don't want blacks and whites to understand each other, you want whites to understand that they are racist, always have been and owe you for it. In fact, when I related my experience of black racism, you didn't try to understand it one iota. You called me a liar and accused me of concocting the story, then assumed and implied that I HAD to have done something to him to set him off such as belittling him before other crew members or something and finally, you tried to justify it with the history of white racism.
Don't try to come off as the virtuous and noble one now, that ship has sailed and foundered on the rocks of your hypocrisy before even getting out of the harbor.
If you call what you have been doing listening, you are crazy. I posted this:
There are whites who can accept their history without whining. And to show just how you have been race baited by white conservatives, these are not whites who feel guilty. They are angry. Angry at the stain you denying whites put on them with your continued racism. So they fight you. They study and research whites to develop things based on that research. They teach classes based on what they learned so we can come to understand each other and move towards a better place.
This is about whites teaching each other about things so we can come to understand each other.
If you don't even think that a white person (me) can discern black racism when he sees it, what do you think other whites are going to teach me?
You have not faced black racism. You tell us a black man spit on you. I didn't excuse that. I denounced it from jump.
Below is the first thing you said that directly addressed my story. This is from your post, #2196, page 220 of the "Are Blacks More Racist Than Whites" thread dated May 8:
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LOL! You have not faced black racism. What you are dong is pretending that whites did nothing to create the anger you faced and concocted a story you can use to reduce our experiences into something that happens to everyone so we have no right to complain."
You gonna stick with that defense? Right out of the starting gate you called me a liar by accusing me of concocting the story. As time went by it went from a story created out of whole cloth to saying it was not really black racism; to assuming I did something to the guy to deserve it; to saying it was justified due to black anger at the history of white racism. It wasn't until the other day that you acknowledged that it was a chickenshit thing to do but you still can't admit it was racism.
But what I have done is challenge your claim because based on EEOC standards that would not pass for racism. There is no evidence he spit on you because he was white. He said this is what I think about you. Did he say this is what I think about white people? Did he say this is what I think about you white boy? .Not according to your story. And if this was racism, why didn't you file a racial complaint? You wouldn't have won, because you didn't document what was said. You see this is how the law works, but whites like you seem to think you can just accuse and it's so.
I've already told you all there is to know about that incident. He assumed I was singling him and the other black crew member out because they were black. If I had been a black captain it would have been a non-issue.
There happens to have been another Honduran black guy that worked with our company for a time and he was on my vessel when he accused the white chief engineer of racism. I was driving the boat at the time so I asked the two of them to come to the bridge so we could discuss it. He took issue with the way the chief spoke to him and thought he was racist. Thing is, that chief always had a very direct way of speaking to people and it wasn't personal but the guy was insulted I guess.
I don't remember exactly how the conversation went but I do remember he kept trying to end the discussion by leaving the bridge. I had to call him back twice so we could talk it out but by the third attempt to leave the bridge it was clear he had his mind made up that the chief was racist and didn't want to discuss it anymore.
When I related that story to other coworkers over time I was told by those who had also worked with him that that was his thing: crying racism. Apparently he had a reputation for it.
The point is, some blacks are paranoid about such things and see racists behind every tree.
I've already told you all there is to know about that incident. He assumed I was singling him and the other black crew member out because they were black. If I had been a black captain it would have been a non-issue.
That's not racism. And you are making an assumption. The reality is the captain was not black and that whites do carry a long record of racism. You expect us to just assume you aren't racist but when we do that generally whites start acting the most racist. You call us paranoid but until you turn black and live you have no right to say that. And maybe the chief was racist. And those co workers you talk about, were they white?
You gonna stick with that defense? Right out of the starting gate you called me a liar by accusing me of concocting the story. As time went by it went from a story created out of whole cloth to saying it was not really black racism; to assuming I did something to the guy to deserve it; to saying it was justified due to black anger at the history of white racism. It wasn't until the other day that you acknowledged that it was a chickenshit thing to do but you still can't admit it was racism.
I'm sticking to the truth here. There was no racism here. You assumed things. In your statement above you said he assumed you were singling him out because he was black. That's not racism. You assumed that if a black captain had singled him out things would be fine which is an assumption that you don't know is true and you claim that's black racism against you. None of those things were racist. There is not one place you could take hat story and file a suit proving racism. But you keep repeating how up faced is black racism. I said that what you call black racism is not racism because it is caused by history of white racism. I also said that what you call black racism is our reaction to the racism of whites. All of hat is true. And from the start I condemned him spitting on you.
And that's a hell of a lot more than you have ever done to recognize the reality of what white racism has done to us. Instead it's the usual white racist what about me or I'm white and blacks have been racist to me, and every other excuse but the recognizing of the fact that white racism created the hostility blacks may have for white people. And I'm not just talking about things from the long ago selected parts of the past whites like you want not to discuss, but dealing with whites like you can make a brother gain great disdain for white people because of your refusal to accept what whites have done and to understand what it has caused.
Ghostrider, paranoia is unjustified fear. Whites have committed racist acts against us CONTINUOUSLY for from a least 1640 until right now. So we can't be paranoid if our fear is justified on the grounds of the behavior of white people.
We have people running around telling us black folks that we are always looking for racism. They are stupid enough to make comments about people finding racism if you look hard enough. Now think about this for a minute. Blacks who want to get rid of racism are spending all their days going around looking for racism so we can stay upset, mad and stressed out. How stupid is that? There are some whites who have told me that I wake up only to go looking for racism. This kind of thinking strains the definition of sanity. So I wake up every morning, drink my coffee, then leave home to begin my daily search for a reason to be miserable, unhappy and angry. It is enough to make a person commit an act of violence when some whites, or stupid nonwhites dare speak this foolishness.
Psychosis is characterized by an impaired relationship with reality. Apparently there are whites here that suffer from this condition. Specifically Delusional disorder. A person experiencing delusional disorder strongly believes in things that aren’t real. Their posts are evidence of this. You racists may want to check your health insurance to see if your condition is covered then go seek the appropriate medical help.
