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Its revisionist history to believe that most koreans wanted to be ruled by a communist dictatorship
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The Construction of an American Political lie
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Until our leaders start fessing up to what has been done in the name of protecting America, we as the true overseers of this government need to start becoming a more informed citizenry.
Soleimani
Tue Jan 7th 2020 by abagond
Qasem Soleimani (1957-2020), also spelled “Suleimani”, was the Iranian general the US killed last week in Baghdad, on January 2nd 2020 at 22:00 UTC (it was one in the morning the next day in Iraq).
In the US almost no one knew who he was, but now the press is saying he was a Horrible Terrible Person, worse than Osama bin Laden (the head of Al Qaeda) or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (the head of ISIS), both of whom the US also assassinated.
As CNBC, a supposedly serious news outlet, tweeted, in its own voice:
“America just took out the world’s no. 1 bad guy”
And that was not even Fox News on the far-right!
If Soleimani was that terrible, why did the press say so little about him before he was killed? He has been a general in Iran since the 1980s – he was hardly hiding under a rock.
Before and after: Compare the Wikipedia before and after his death:
On December 27th, the second paragraph:
“Soleimani hailed from a humble background. He began his military career since the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War of the 1980s, during which he commanded the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to anti-Saddam Shia and Kurdish groups in Iraq, and later Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territories. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the Syrian government, a key Iranian ally, during the Syrian Civil War. Soleimani also assisted in the command of combined Iraqi government and Shia militia forces that advanced against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in 2014–2015.[19]”
On January 7th, today:
“Soleimani began his military career at the start of the Iran–Iraq War during the 1980s, eventually commanding the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to Hezbollah in Lebanon. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the government of Bashar al-Assad, a key Iranian ally, during Iran’s operations in the Syrian Civil War and helped to plan the Russian military intervention in Syria.[20] Soleimani oversaw the Kurdish and Shia militia forces in Iraq, and assisted the Iraqi forces that advanced against ISIL in 2014–2015.[21][22] Soleimani was one of the first to support Kurdish forces, providing them with arms.[23][24] He maintained a low profile during most of his career.”
Compare: Both paragraphs might be perfectly true – they are not logically contradictory. But notice the change in emphasis: two good things about him have been taken out (humble origins, anti-Saddam) and two bad ones added (pro-Assad, helps Russia). Good and bad, that is, from a US point of view! Just over half the edits made to the English-language Wikipedia come from the US.
Demonization: Soleimani, as you might expect, fought both for and against US enemies. He was, be it noted, a general for Iran, not the US. And Iran, be it further noted, is not some rebel province of the US empire. But now that President Trump has killed him, Soleimani is being demonized, flattened into a Hollywood “bad guy”. Why?
Soleimani
We see you're still mourning this killer.
Rather be a democrat than a klan member.IM2 kneels at the Democrat Party altar.IM2, do a Google search with a custom time frame. The Fake News, Democrat Party channels like MSNBC and CNN love the terrorist now, but knew he was an anti-civilization, pro-Terrorist Muslim savage 5-10 years ago and was a factor in the failure of Iraq to embrace liberation.
You're wasting your time.
Dem and klan member are the same.
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Rather be a democrat than a klan member.IM2 kneels at the Democrat Party altar.IM2, do a Google search with a custom time frame. The Fake News, Democrat Party channels like MSNBC and CNN love the terrorist now, but knew he was an anti-civilization, pro-Terrorist Muslim savage 5-10 years ago and was a factor in the failure of Iraq to embrace liberation.
You're wasting your time.
Which is kind of funny as all original klan members were democrats!
Your comment truly shows your ignorance of history.
And yet the Democrats had a former KKK member in the US Senate until he died in 2010. In fact, Robert Byrd wasn’t just in the KKK, he recruited 150 friends to start a chapter!
Robert Byrd used the N-word on live television in 2001. And then was re-elected as the Senator from West Virginia in 2006.
Compare that to the current Democrat Governor from one state over, Virginia. Ralph Northam dressed in blackface when he was 25 (or KKK robes we don’t know which) as pictured in his graduate school yearbook.
Yes, Democrats DID start the Ku Klux Klan (and it's still the party of racism) | Zero Hedge | Zero Hedge
An estimated 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites died at the end of KKK ropes from 1882 to 1964.
The documentation has been assembled by David Barton of Wallbu More..ilders and published in his book "Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White," which reveals that not only did the Democrats work hand-in-glove with the Ku Klux Klan for generations, they started the KKK and endorsed its mayhem.
"Of all forms of violent intimidation, lynchings were by far the most effective," Barton said in his book. "Republicans often led the efforts to pass federal anti-lynching laws and their platforms consistently called for a ban on lynching. Democrats successfully blocked those bills and their platforms never did condemn lynchings.
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Any free election in Korea in 1945 would have resulted in communists winning because communists fought against the Japanese occupation while many capitalists collaborated with it.The soviets would never allow a non communist government in their half of korea
the Peoples Republic of Korea was never recognized by any nation on earth
The only reason why the PRK was never recognized by any other nation was due to another military occupation which ordered the party to disband and killed thousands of Koreans to enforce that imperial decree.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Korea_DMZ.svg/620px-Korea_DMZ.svg.png
"Soviet troops advanced rapidly, and the US government became anxious that they would occupy the whole of Korea.
"On 10 August 1945 two young officers – Dean Rusk and Charles Bonesteel – were assigned to define an American occupation zone.
"Working on extremely short notice and completely unprepared, they used a National Geographic map to decide on the 38th parallel.
"They chose it because it divided the country approximately in half but would place the capital Seoul under American control.
"No experts on Korea were consulted.
"The two men were unaware that forty years before, Japan and pre-revolutionary Russia had discussed sharing Korea along the same parallel.
"Rusk later said that had he known, he 'almost surely' would have chosen a different line.[12][13]
"The division placed sixteen million Koreans in the American zone and nine million in the Soviet zone.[14]
"To the surprise of the Americans, the Soviet Union immediately accepted the division.[11][15]
"The agreement was incorporated into General Order No. 1 (approved on 17 August 1945) for the surrender of Japan.[15]"
Division of Korea - Wikipedia
Any free election in Korea in 1945 would have resulted in communists winning because communists fought against the Japanese occupation while many capitalists collaborated with it.The soviets would never allow a non communist government in their half of korea
the Peoples Republic of Korea was never recognized by any nation on earth
The only reason why the PRK was never recognized by any other nation was due to another military occupation which ordered the party to disband and killed thousands of Koreans to enforce that imperial decree.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Korea_DMZ.svg/620px-Korea_DMZ.svg.png
"Soviet troops advanced rapidly, and the US government became anxious that they would occupy the whole of Korea.
"On 10 August 1945 two young officers – Dean Rusk and Charles Bonesteel – were assigned to define an American occupation zone.
"Working on extremely short notice and completely unprepared, they used a National Geographic map to decide on the 38th parallel.
"They chose it because it divided the country approximately in half but would place the capital Seoul under American control.
"No experts on Korea were consulted.
"The two men were unaware that forty years before, Japan and pre-revolutionary Russia had discussed sharing Korea along the same parallel.
"Rusk later said that had he known, he 'almost surely' would have chosen a different line.[12][13]
"The division placed sixteen million Koreans in the American zone and nine million in the Soviet zone.[14]
"To the surprise of the Americans, the Soviet Union immediately accepted the division.[11][15]
"The agreement was incorporated into General Order No. 1 (approved on 17 August 1945) for the surrender of Japan.[15]"
If so, would you support that outcome, seeing the hell that North Korea is, compared to the First World Nation that South Korea became, under American protection?
Any free election in Korea in 1945 would have resulted in communists winning because communists fought against the Japanese occupation while many capitalists collaborated with it.The soviets would never allow a non communist government in their half of korea
the Peoples Republic of Korea was never recognized by any nation on earth
The only reason why the PRK was never recognized by any other nation was due to another military occupation which ordered the party to disband and killed thousands of Koreans to enforce that imperial decree.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Korea_DMZ.svg/620px-Korea_DMZ.svg.png
"Soviet troops advanced rapidly, and the US government became anxious that they would occupy the whole of Korea.
"On 10 August 1945 two young officers – Dean Rusk and Charles Bonesteel – were assigned to define an American occupation zone.
"Working on extremely short notice and completely unprepared, they used a National Geographic map to decide on the 38th parallel.
"They chose it because it divided the country approximately in half but would place the capital Seoul under American control.
"No experts on Korea were consulted.
"The two men were unaware that forty years before, Japan and pre-revolutionary Russia had discussed sharing Korea along the same parallel.
"Rusk later said that had he known, he 'almost surely' would have chosen a different line.[12][13]
"The division placed sixteen million Koreans in the American zone and nine million in the Soviet zone.[14]
"To the surprise of the Americans, the Soviet Union immediately accepted the division.[11][15]
"The agreement was incorporated into General Order No. 1 (approved on 17 August 1945) for the surrender of Japan.[15]"
So the Koreans would have voted themselves into bondage and a communist state that kills its own populace. Why would any rational person do that?
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Neither of us were present in korea in 1945 so we cant possibly know how the koreans would have voted EVEN IF the vote was fairAny free election in Korea in 1945 would have resulted in communists winning because communists fought against the Japanese occupation while many capitalists collaborated with it.The soviets would never allow a non communist government in their half of korea
the Peoples Republic of Korea was never recognized by any nation on earth
The only reason why the PRK was never recognized by any other nation was due to another military occupation which ordered the party to disband and killed thousands of Koreans to enforce that imperial decree.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Korea_DMZ.svg/620px-Korea_DMZ.svg.png
"Soviet troops advanced rapidly, and the US government became anxious that they would occupy the whole of Korea.
"On 10 August 1945 two young officers – Dean Rusk and Charles Bonesteel – were assigned to define an American occupation zone.
"Working on extremely short notice and completely unprepared, they used a National Geographic map to decide on the 38th parallel.
"They chose it because it divided the country approximately in half but would place the capital Seoul under American control.
"No experts on Korea were consulted.
"The two men were unaware that forty years before, Japan and pre-revolutionary Russia had discussed sharing Korea along the same parallel.
"Rusk later said that had he known, he 'almost surely' would have chosen a different line.[12][13]
"The division placed sixteen million Koreans in the American zone and nine million in the Soviet zone.[14]
"To the surprise of the Americans, the Soviet Union immediately accepted the division.[11][15]
"The agreement was incorporated into General Order No. 1 (approved on 17 August 1945) for the surrender of Japan.[15]"
Division of Korea - Wikipedia
and it certainly would not have been fair in the soviet half
With an ally which had just destroyed most of Hitler's military?what would America have done if the soviets occupied all of korea?
I think we would have reacted the same way we did in 1950
it would have been war
World War II - Wikipedia
"World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, marked by 70 to 85 million fatalities, most of whom were civilians in the Soviet Union and China."
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Thats up to the soviets since they choose to march on south koreaWith an ally which had just destroyed most of Hitler's military?what would America have done if the soviets occupied all of korea?
I think we would have reacted the same way we did in 1950
it would have been war
World War II - Wikipedia
"World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, marked by 70 to 85 million fatalities, most of whom were civilians in the Soviet Union and China."
The only reason we don't have a historical answer to that question is the US military's refusal to allow free elections in 1945 which an overwhelming majority of Koreans wanted.Who says a majority of koreans supported the communist front group?
United States Army Military Government in Korea - Wikipedia
"Popular discontent stemmed from the U.S. Military Government's support of the Japanese colonial government; then once removed, keeping the former Japanese governors on as advisors; by ignoring, censoring and forcibly disbanding the functional and popular People's Republic of Korea (PRK); and finally by supporting United Nations elections that divided the country.[1]"
"In addition, the U.S. military was largely unprepared for the challenge of administering the country, arriving with no knowledge of the language or political situation.[2]"
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If not for the soviet occupation of north korea I think the US would have supported a free and fair electionThe only reason we don't have a historical answer to that question is the US military's refusal to allow free elections in 1945 which an overwhelming majority of Koreans wanted.Who says a majority of koreans supported the communist front group?
United States Army Military Government in Korea - Wikipedia
"Popular discontent stemmed from the U.S. Military Government's support of the Japanese colonial government; then once removed, keeping the former Japanese governors on as advisors; by ignoring, censoring and forcibly disbanding the functional and popular People's Republic of Korea (PRK); and finally by supporting United Nations elections that divided the country.[1]"
"In addition, the U.S. military was largely unprepared for the challenge of administering the country, arriving with no knowledge of the language or political situation.[2]"
but that was not possible with the soviets in control of the north
Thats up to the soviets since they choose to march on south koreaWith an ally which had just destroyed most of Hitler's military?what would America have done if the soviets occupied all of korea?
I think we would have reacted the same way we did in 1950
it would have been war
World War II - Wikipedia
"World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, marked by 70 to 85 million fatalities, most of whom were civilians in the Soviet Union and China."
The Soviets were fulfilling promises they made in Tehran and Yalta:Thats up to the soviets since they choose to march on south korea
Division of Korea - Wikipedia
"At the Tehran and Yalta Conferences, Stalin promised to join his allies in the Pacific War in two to three months after victory in Europe.
"On 8 August 1945, two days after the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, but before the second bomb was dropped at Nagasaki, the USSR declared war on Japan.[10]
"As war began, the Commander-in-Chief of Soviet Forces in the Far East, Marshal Aleksandr Vasilevsky, called on Koreans to rise up against Japan, saying 'a banner of liberty and independence is rising in Seoul'"
Why did the US find it necessary to impose a military dictatorship in South Korea?
nah...... i think killing terrorists is a good thang !
Until our leaders start fessing up to what has been done in the name of protecting America, we as the true overseers of this government need to start becoming a more informed citizenry. What about Obama is no good here, because I am talking about the actions of EVERY administration since the end of WW2 and that includes this one.
So you can stop sucking trumps thang about this and start demanding that our government stop doing this shit.
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The US was no more willing to see the south go communist than the soviets were willing to allow a non communist government in the northThats up to the soviets since they choose to march on south koreaWith an ally which had just destroyed most of Hitler's military?what would America have done if the soviets occupied all of korea?
I think we would have reacted the same way we did in 1950
it would have been war
World War II - Wikipedia
"World War II was the deadliest conflict in human history, marked by 70 to 85 million fatalities, most of whom were civilians in the Soviet Union and China."The Soviets were fulfilling promises they made in Tehran and Yalta:Thats up to the soviets since they choose to march on south korea
Division of Korea - Wikipedia
"At the Tehran and Yalta Conferences, Stalin promised to join his allies in the Pacific War in two to three months after victory in Europe.
"On 8 August 1945, two days after the first atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima, but before the second bomb was dropped at Nagasaki, the USSR declared war on Japan.[10]
"As war began, the Commander-in-Chief of Soviet Forces in the Far East, Marshal Aleksandr Vasilevsky, called on Koreans to rise up against Japan, saying 'a banner of liberty and independence is rising in Seoul'"
Why did the US find it necessary to impose a military dictatorship in South Korea?
Its revisionist history to believe that most koreans wanted to be ruled by a communist dictatorshipDoes it matter to you a majority of Koreans never wanted the US military occupation of their country in the first place?but by 1950 we had stood down most of the WWII war machine and even foolishly publicly implied that south korea was not a vital national interest
that was like a green light for the communists to invade
United States Army Military Government in Korea - Wikipedia
"The United States Army Military Government in Korea (USAMGIK) was the official ruling body of the southern half of the Korean Peninsula from September 8, 1945 to August 15, 1948...."
"Popular discontent stemmed from the U.S. Military Government's support of the Japanese colonial government; then once removed, keeping the former Japanese governors on as advisors; by ignoring, censoring and forcibly disbanding the functional and popular People's Republic of Korea (PRK); and finally by supporting United Nations elections that divided the country.[1]"
The PRK wasn't calling for a dictator.Its revisionist history to believe that most koreans wanted to be ruled by a communist dictatorship
That was what Americans provided.
Neither of these dictators would have come to power if the US had not prevented free elections in 1945.
Syngman Rhee - Wikipedia
How many Koreans died under American protection?f so, would you support that outcome, seeing the hell that North Korea is, compared to the First World Nation that South Korea became, under American protection?
DECEMBER 31, 2002
A Pop Quiz on Korea
by GARY LEUPP
"How many people, military plus civilians, died in the Korean War?
a. 500,000-1 million
b. 1 million-2 million
c. about 4 million
In North Korea about one in every three citizens died during the Korean War.
That hell would never have happened if the US had not prevented free elections in 1945
The US bombed NK into the stone age between 1950-53; that's part of the reason why its GDP doesn't match South Korea's today.
Any free election in Korea in 1945 would have resulted in communists winning because communists fought against the Japanese occupation while many capitalists collaborated with it.The soviets would never allow a non communist government in their half of korea
the Peoples Republic of Korea was never recognized by any nation on earth
The only reason why the PRK was never recognized by any other nation was due to another military occupation which ordered the party to disband and killed thousands of Koreans to enforce that imperial decree.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bd/Korea_DMZ.svg/620px-Korea_DMZ.svg.png
"Soviet troops advanced rapidly, and the US government became anxious that they would occupy the whole of Korea.
"On 10 August 1945 two young officers – Dean Rusk and Charles Bonesteel – were assigned to define an American occupation zone.
"Working on extremely short notice and completely unprepared, they used a National Geographic map to decide on the 38th parallel.
"They chose it because it divided the country approximately in half but would place the capital Seoul under American control.
"No experts on Korea were consulted.
"The two men were unaware that forty years before, Japan and pre-revolutionary Russia had discussed sharing Korea along the same parallel.
"Rusk later said that had he known, he 'almost surely' would have chosen a different line.[12][13]
"The division placed sixteen million Koreans in the American zone and nine million in the Soviet zone.[14]
"To the surprise of the Americans, the Soviet Union immediately accepted the division.[11][15]
"The agreement was incorporated into General Order No. 1 (approved on 17 August 1945) for the surrender of Japan.[15]"
So the Koreans would have voted themselves into bondage and a communist state that kills its own populace. Why would any rational person do that?
They wouldn't.So the Koreans would have voted themselves into bondage and a communist state that kills its own populace. Why would any rational person do that?
Anymore than they would vote for another military occupation.
In 1945 this man would have been one likely winner in free elections, and nothing in his life suggests he would have become a dictator, unlike the politician the US provided to rule South Korea.
Lyuh Woon-hyung - Wikipedia
"Lyuh Woon-hyung or Yo Un-hyung[a] (May 25, 1886 – July 19, 1947) was a Korean politician who argued that Korean independence was essential to world peace, and a reunification activist who struggled for the independent reunification of Korea since its national division in 1945.
"His pen-name was Mongyang... the Hanja for 'dream' and 'the sun.' He is rare among politicians in modern Korean history in that he is revered in both South and North Korea."
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I see you found your Iranian pompomsUntil our leaders start fessing up to what has been done in the name of protecting America, we as the true overseers of this government need to start becoming a more informed citizenry.
Soleimani
Tue Jan 7th 2020 by abagond
Qasem Soleimani (1957-2020), also spelled “Suleimani”, was the Iranian general the US killed last week in Baghdad, on January 2nd 2020 at 22:00 UTC (it was one in the morning the next day in Iraq).
In the US almost no one knew who he was, but now the press is saying he was a Horrible Terrible Person, worse than Osama bin Laden (the head of Al Qaeda) or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (the head of ISIS), both of whom the US also assassinated.
As CNBC, a supposedly serious news outlet, tweeted, in its own voice:
“America just took out the world’s no. 1 bad guy”
And that was not even Fox News on the far-right!
If Soleimani was that terrible, why did the press say so little about him before he was killed? He has been a general in Iran since the 1980s – he was hardly hiding under a rock.
Before and after: Compare the Wikipedia before and after his death:
On December 27th, the second paragraph:
“Soleimani hailed from a humble background. He began his military career since the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War of the 1980s, during which he commanded the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to anti-Saddam Shia and Kurdish groups in Iraq, and later Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territories. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the Syrian government, a key Iranian ally, during the Syrian Civil War. Soleimani also assisted in the command of combined Iraqi government and Shia militia forces that advanced against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in 2014–2015.[19]”
On January 7th, today:
“Soleimani began his military career at the start of the Iran–Iraq War during the 1980s, eventually commanding the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to Hezbollah in Lebanon. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the government of Bashar al-Assad, a key Iranian ally, during Iran’s operations in the Syrian Civil War and helped to plan the Russian military intervention in Syria.[20] Soleimani oversaw the Kurdish and Shia militia forces in Iraq, and assisted the Iraqi forces that advanced against ISIL in 2014–2015.[21][22] Soleimani was one of the first to support Kurdish forces, providing them with arms.[23][24] He maintained a low profile during most of his career.”
Compare: Both paragraphs might be perfectly true – they are not logically contradictory. But notice the change in emphasis: two good things about him have been taken out (humble origins, anti-Saddam) and two bad ones added (pro-Assad, helps Russia). Good and bad, that is, from a US point of view! Just over half the edits made to the English-language Wikipedia come from the US.
Demonization: Soleimani, as you might expect, fought both for and against US enemies. He was, be it noted, a general for Iran, not the US. And Iran, be it further noted, is not some rebel province of the US empire. But now that President Trump has killed him, Soleimani is being demonized, flattened into a Hollywood “bad guy”. Why?
Soleimani
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If I had only those two to choose from I'd join the Klan. Thankfully that isn't reality.Rather be a democrat than a klan member.IM2 kneels at the Democrat Party altar.IM2, do a Google search with a custom time frame. The Fake News, Democrat Party channels like MSNBC and CNN love the terrorist now, but knew he was an anti-civilization, pro-Terrorist Muslim savage 5-10 years ago and was a factor in the failure of Iraq to embrace liberation.
You're wasting your time.
Your moniker im2 is incredibly accurate, although I would bump your age up to 3 or 4 personally.
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