The Construction of an American Political lie

Until our leaders start fessing up to what has been done in the name of protecting America, we as the true overseers of this government need to start becoming a more informed citizenry.

Soleimani
Tue Jan 7th 2020 by abagond



Qasem Soleimani (1957-2020), also spelled “Suleimani”, was the Iranian general the US killed last week in Baghdad, on January 2nd 2020 at 22:00 UTC (it was one in the morning the next day in Iraq).

In the US almost no one knew who he was, but now the press is saying he was a Horrible Terrible Person, worse than Osama bin Laden (the head of Al Qaeda) or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (the head of ISIS), both of whom the US also assassinated.

As CNBC, a supposedly serious news outlet, tweeted, in its own voice:

“America just took out the world’s no. 1 bad guy”

And that was not even Fox News on the far-right!

If Soleimani was that terrible, why did the press say so little about him before he was killed? He has been a general in Iran since the 1980s – he was hardly hiding under a rock.

Before and after: Compare the Wikipedia before and after his death:

On December 27th, the second paragraph:

“Soleimani hailed from a humble background. He began his military career since the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War of the 1980s, during which he commanded the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to anti-Saddam Shia and Kurdish groups in Iraq, and later Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territories. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the Syrian government, a key Iranian ally, during the Syrian Civil War. Soleimani also assisted in the command of combined Iraqi government and Shia militia forces that advanced against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in 2014–2015.[19]”

On January 7th, today:

“Soleimani began his military career at the start of the Iran–Iraq War during the 1980s, eventually commanding the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to Hezbollah in Lebanon. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the government of Bashar al-Assad, a key Iranian ally, during Iran’s operations in the Syrian Civil War and helped to plan the Russian military intervention in Syria.[20] Soleimani oversaw the Kurdish and Shia militia forces in Iraq, and assisted the Iraqi forces that advanced against ISIL in 2014–2015.[21][22] Soleimani was one of the first to support Kurdish forces, providing them with arms.[23][24] He maintained a low profile during most of his career.”

Compare: Both paragraphs might be perfectly true – they are not logically contradictory. But notice the change in emphasis: two good things about him have been taken out (humble origins, anti-Saddam) and two bad ones added (pro-Assad, helps Russia). Good and bad, that is, from a US point of view! Just over half the edits made to the English-language Wikipedia come from the US.

Demonization: Soleimani, as you might expect, fought both for and against US enemies. He was, be it noted, a general for Iran, not the US. And Iran, be it further noted, is not some rebel province of the US empire. But now that President Trump has killed him, Soleimani is being demonized, flattened into a Hollywood “bad guy”. Why?

Soleimani
You do not seem like a man who is a fair arbiter. So why get involved in these things?
 
Until our leaders start fessing up to what has been done in the name of protecting America, we as the true overseers of this government need to start becoming a more informed citizenry.

Soleimani
Tue Jan 7th 2020 by abagond



Qasem Soleimani (1957-2020), also spelled “Suleimani”, was the Iranian general the US killed last week in Baghdad, on January 2nd 2020 at 22:00 UTC (it was one in the morning the next day in Iraq).

In the US almost no one knew who he was, but now the press is saying he was a Horrible Terrible Person, worse than Osama bin Laden (the head of Al Qaeda) or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (the head of ISIS), both of whom the US also assassinated.

As CNBC, a supposedly serious news outlet, tweeted, in its own voice:

“America just took out the world’s no. 1 bad guy”

And that was not even Fox News on the far-right!

If Soleimani was that terrible, why did the press say so little about him before he was killed? He has been a general in Iran since the 1980s – he was hardly hiding under a rock.

Before and after: Compare the Wikipedia before and after his death:

On December 27th, the second paragraph:

“Soleimani hailed from a humble background. He began his military career since the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War of the 1980s, during which he commanded the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to anti-Saddam Shia and Kurdish groups in Iraq, and later Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territories. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the Syrian government, a key Iranian ally, during the Syrian Civil War. Soleimani also assisted in the command of combined Iraqi government and Shia militia forces that advanced against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in 2014–2015.[19]”

On January 7th, today:

“Soleimani began his military career at the start of the Iran–Iraq War during the 1980s, eventually commanding the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to Hezbollah in Lebanon. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the government of Bashar al-Assad, a key Iranian ally, during Iran’s operations in the Syrian Civil War and helped to plan the Russian military intervention in Syria.[20] Soleimani oversaw the Kurdish and Shia militia forces in Iraq, and assisted the Iraqi forces that advanced against ISIL in 2014–2015.[21][22] Soleimani was one of the first to support Kurdish forces, providing them with arms.[23][24] He maintained a low profile during most of his career.”

Compare: Both paragraphs might be perfectly true – they are not logically contradictory. But notice the change in emphasis: two good things about him have been taken out (humble origins, anti-Saddam) and two bad ones added (pro-Assad, helps Russia). Good and bad, that is, from a US point of view! Just over half the edits made to the English-language Wikipedia come from the US.

Demonization: Soleimani, as you might expect, fought both for and against US enemies. He was, be it noted, a general for Iran, not the US. And Iran, be it further noted, is not some rebel province of the US empire. But now that President Trump has killed him, Soleimani is being demonized, flattened into a Hollywood “bad guy”. Why?

Soleimani
You do not seem like a man who is a fair arbiter. So why get involved in these things?
I'm very fair. Unlike you, I don't dismiss one side of a story to claim victimhood.
 
Until our leaders start fessing up to what has been done in the name of protecting America, we as the true overseers of this government need to start becoming a more informed citizenry.

Soleimani
Tue Jan 7th 2020 by abagond



Qasem Soleimani (1957-2020), also spelled “Suleimani”, was the Iranian general the US killed last week in Baghdad, on January 2nd 2020 at 22:00 UTC (it was one in the morning the next day in Iraq).

In the US almost no one knew who he was, but now the press is saying he was a Horrible Terrible Person, worse than Osama bin Laden (the head of Al Qaeda) or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (the head of ISIS), both of whom the US also assassinated.

As CNBC, a supposedly serious news outlet, tweeted, in its own voice:

“America just took out the world’s no. 1 bad guy”

And that was not even Fox News on the far-right!

If Soleimani was that terrible, why did the press say so little about him before he was killed? He has been a general in Iran since the 1980s – he was hardly hiding under a rock.

Before and after: Compare the Wikipedia before and after his death:

On December 27th, the second paragraph:

“Soleimani hailed from a humble background. He began his military career since the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War of the 1980s, during which he commanded the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to anti-Saddam Shia and Kurdish groups in Iraq, and later Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territories. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the Syrian government, a key Iranian ally, during the Syrian Civil War. Soleimani also assisted in the command of combined Iraqi government and Shia militia forces that advanced against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in 2014–2015.[19]”

On January 7th, today:

“Soleimani began his military career at the start of the Iran–Iraq War during the 1980s, eventually commanding the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to Hezbollah in Lebanon. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the government of Bashar al-Assad, a key Iranian ally, during Iran’s operations in the Syrian Civil War and helped to plan the Russian military intervention in Syria.[20] Soleimani oversaw the Kurdish and Shia militia forces in Iraq, and assisted the Iraqi forces that advanced against ISIL in 2014–2015.[21][22] Soleimani was one of the first to support Kurdish forces, providing them with arms.[23][24] He maintained a low profile during most of his career.”

Compare: Both paragraphs might be perfectly true – they are not logically contradictory. But notice the change in emphasis: two good things about him have been taken out (humble origins, anti-Saddam) and two bad ones added (pro-Assad, helps Russia). Good and bad, that is, from a US point of view! Just over half the edits made to the English-language Wikipedia come from the US.

Demonization: Soleimani, as you might expect, fought both for and against US enemies. He was, be it noted, a general for Iran, not the US. And Iran, be it further noted, is not some rebel province of the US empire. But now that President Trump has killed him, Soleimani is being demonized, flattened into a Hollywood “bad guy”. Why?

Soleimani
You do not seem like a man who is a fair arbiter. So why get involved in these things?
I'm very fair. Unlike you, I don't dismiss one side of a story to claim victimhood.

Victimhood is ALL you ever clam.
 
Until our leaders start fessing up to what has been done in the name of protecting America, we as the true overseers of this government need to start becoming a more informed citizenry.

Soleimani
Tue Jan 7th 2020 by abagond



Qasem Soleimani (1957-2020), also spelled “Suleimani”, was the Iranian general the US killed last week in Baghdad, on January 2nd 2020 at 22:00 UTC (it was one in the morning the next day in Iraq).

In the US almost no one knew who he was, but now the press is saying he was a Horrible Terrible Person, worse than Osama bin Laden (the head of Al Qaeda) or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (the head of ISIS), both of whom the US also assassinated.

As CNBC, a supposedly serious news outlet, tweeted, in its own voice:

“America just took out the world’s no. 1 bad guy”

And that was not even Fox News on the far-right!

If Soleimani was that terrible, why did the press say so little about him before he was killed? He has been a general in Iran since the 1980s – he was hardly hiding under a rock.

Before and after: Compare the Wikipedia before and after his death:

On December 27th, the second paragraph:

“Soleimani hailed from a humble background. He began his military career since the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War of the 1980s, during which he commanded the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to anti-Saddam Shia and Kurdish groups in Iraq, and later Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territories. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the Syrian government, a key Iranian ally, during the Syrian Civil War. Soleimani also assisted in the command of combined Iraqi government and Shia militia forces that advanced against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in 2014–2015.[19]”

On January 7th, today:

“Soleimani began his military career at the start of the Iran–Iraq War during the 1980s, eventually commanding the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to Hezbollah in Lebanon. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the government of Bashar al-Assad, a key Iranian ally, during Iran’s operations in the Syrian Civil War and helped to plan the Russian military intervention in Syria.[20] Soleimani oversaw the Kurdish and Shia militia forces in Iraq, and assisted the Iraqi forces that advanced against ISIL in 2014–2015.[21][22] Soleimani was one of the first to support Kurdish forces, providing them with arms.[23][24] He maintained a low profile during most of his career.”

Compare: Both paragraphs might be perfectly true – they are not logically contradictory. But notice the change in emphasis: two good things about him have been taken out (humble origins, anti-Saddam) and two bad ones added (pro-Assad, helps Russia). Good and bad, that is, from a US point of view! Just over half the edits made to the English-language Wikipedia come from the US.

Demonization: Soleimani, as you might expect, fought both for and against US enemies. He was, be it noted, a general for Iran, not the US. And Iran, be it further noted, is not some rebel province of the US empire. But now that President Trump has killed him, Soleimani is being demonized, flattened into a Hollywood “bad guy”. Why?

Soleimani
You do not seem like a man who is a fair arbiter. So why get involved in these things?
I'm very fair. Unlike you, I don't dismiss one side of a story to claim victimhood.


Speaking of informed, you do know the folks that attacked the US Embassy in Baghdad, wrote on the Embassy walls their leader was Soleimani, right? We took out their leader a few days later. It's just a shame maobama was more worried about his sham Iran deal than he was about American lives. He should have taken the bastard out years ago.

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Until our leaders start fessing up to what has been done in the name of protecting America, we as the true overseers of this government need to start becoming a more informed citizenry. What about Obama is no good here, because I am talking about the actions of EVERY administration since the end of WW2 and that includes this one.

So you can stop sucking trumps thang about this and start demanding that our government stop doing this shit.
obama did far worse than any other president has done
So no I will not allow you to forget about obama and what he did. Especially when you bitch about Trump I and I do hope others will remind you about obama
 
IM2, do a Google search with a custom time frame. The Fake News, Democrat Party channels like MSNBC and CNN love the terrorist now, but knew he was an anti-civilization, pro-Terrorist Muslim savage 5-10 years ago and was a factor in the failure of Iraq to embrace liberation.
IM2 kneels at the Democrat Party altar.

You're wasting your time.
Rather be a democrat than a klan member.

The Dimz have done more damage to your families, your communities and to your prospects for the future than the Klan has. . . . but, Okay.

If only you new how much Blacks are sometimes vilified and ignored, just because they (you) are so OWNED by, brainwashed by and beholden to the Dimcrapic Party.
 
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IM2, do a Google search with a custom time frame. The Fake News, Democrat Party channels like MSNBC and CNN love the terrorist now, but knew he was an anti-civilization, pro-Terrorist Muslim savage 5-10 years ago and was a factor in the failure of Iraq to embrace liberation.
IM2 kneels at the Democrat Party altar.

You're wasting your time.
Rather be a democrat than a klan member.

The Dimz have done more damage to your families, your communities and to your prospects for the future than the Klan has. . . . but, Okay.

If only you new how much Blacks are sometimes vilified and ignored, just because they (you) are so OWNED by, brainwashed by and beholden to the Dimcrapic Party.
Same old dumb ass right wing lie.
 
Until our leaders start fessing up to what has been done in the name of protecting America, we as the true overseers of this government need to start becoming a more informed citizenry.

Soleimani
Tue Jan 7th 2020 by abagond



Qasem Soleimani (1957-2020), also spelled “Suleimani”, was the Iranian general the US killed last week in Baghdad, on January 2nd 2020 at 22:00 UTC (it was one in the morning the next day in Iraq).

In the US almost no one knew who he was, but now the press is saying he was a Horrible Terrible Person, worse than Osama bin Laden (the head of Al Qaeda) or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (the head of ISIS), both of whom the US also assassinated.

As CNBC, a supposedly serious news outlet, tweeted, in its own voice:

“America just took out the world’s no. 1 bad guy”

And that was not even Fox News on the far-right!

If Soleimani was that terrible, why did the press say so little about him before he was killed? He has been a general in Iran since the 1980s – he was hardly hiding under a rock.

Before and after: Compare the Wikipedia before and after his death:

On December 27th, the second paragraph:

“Soleimani hailed from a humble background. He began his military career since the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War of the 1980s, during which he commanded the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to anti-Saddam Shia and Kurdish groups in Iraq, and later Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territories. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the Syrian government, a key Iranian ally, during the Syrian Civil War. Soleimani also assisted in the command of combined Iraqi government and Shia militia forces that advanced against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in 2014–2015.[19]”

On January 7th, today:

“Soleimani began his military career at the start of the Iran–Iraq War during the 1980s, eventually commanding the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to Hezbollah in Lebanon. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the government of Bashar al-Assad, a key Iranian ally, during Iran’s operations in the Syrian Civil War and helped to plan the Russian military intervention in Syria.[20] Soleimani oversaw the Kurdish and Shia militia forces in Iraq, and assisted the Iraqi forces that advanced against ISIL in 2014–2015.[21][22] Soleimani was one of the first to support Kurdish forces, providing them with arms.[23][24] He maintained a low profile during most of his career.”

Compare: Both paragraphs might be perfectly true – they are not logically contradictory. But notice the change in emphasis: two good things about him have been taken out (humble origins, anti-Saddam) and two bad ones added (pro-Assad, helps Russia). Good and bad, that is, from a US point of view! Just over half the edits made to the English-language Wikipedia come from the US.

Demonization: Soleimani, as you might expect, fought both for and against US enemies. He was, be it noted, a general for Iran, not the US. And Iran, be it further noted, is not some rebel province of the US empire. But now that President Trump has killed him, Soleimani is being demonized, flattened into a Hollywood “bad guy”. Why?

Soleimani
You do not seem like a man who is a fair arbiter. So why get involved in these things?
I'm very fair. Unlike you, I don't dismiss one side of a story to claim victimhood.

Victimhood is ALL you ever clam.

Nah. It's called truth junior.
 
Until our leaders start fessing up to what has been done in the name of protecting America, we as the true overseers of this government need to start becoming a more informed citizenry.

Soleimani
Tue Jan 7th 2020 by abagond



Qasem Soleimani (1957-2020), also spelled “Suleimani”, was the Iranian general the US killed last week in Baghdad, on January 2nd 2020 at 22:00 UTC (it was one in the morning the next day in Iraq).

In the US almost no one knew who he was, but now the press is saying he was a Horrible Terrible Person, worse than Osama bin Laden (the head of Al Qaeda) or Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (the head of ISIS), both of whom the US also assassinated.

As CNBC, a supposedly serious news outlet, tweeted, in its own voice:

“America just took out the world’s no. 1 bad guy”

And that was not even Fox News on the far-right!

If Soleimani was that terrible, why did the press say so little about him before he was killed? He has been a general in Iran since the 1980s – he was hardly hiding under a rock.

Before and after: Compare the Wikipedia before and after his death:

On December 27th, the second paragraph:

“Soleimani hailed from a humble background. He began his military career since the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War of the 1980s, during which he commanded the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to anti-Saddam Shia and Kurdish groups in Iraq, and later Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territories. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the Syrian government, a key Iranian ally, during the Syrian Civil War. Soleimani also assisted in the command of combined Iraqi government and Shia militia forces that advanced against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in 2014–2015.[19]”

On January 7th, today:

“Soleimani began his military career at the start of the Iran–Iraq War during the 1980s, eventually commanding the 41st Division. He was later involved in extraterritorial operations, providing military assistance to Hezbollah in Lebanon. In 2012, Soleimani helped bolster the government of Bashar al-Assad, a key Iranian ally, during Iran’s operations in the Syrian Civil War and helped to plan the Russian military intervention in Syria.[20] Soleimani oversaw the Kurdish and Shia militia forces in Iraq, and assisted the Iraqi forces that advanced against ISIL in 2014–2015.[21][22] Soleimani was one of the first to support Kurdish forces, providing them with arms.[23][24] He maintained a low profile during most of his career.”

Compare: Both paragraphs might be perfectly true – they are not logically contradictory. But notice the change in emphasis: two good things about him have been taken out (humble origins, anti-Saddam) and two bad ones added (pro-Assad, helps Russia). Good and bad, that is, from a US point of view! Just over half the edits made to the English-language Wikipedia come from the US.

Demonization: Soleimani, as you might expect, fought both for and against US enemies. He was, be it noted, a general for Iran, not the US. And Iran, be it further noted, is not some rebel province of the US empire. But now that President Trump has killed him, Soleimani is being demonized, flattened into a Hollywood “bad guy”. Why?

Soleimani
You do not seem like a man who is a fair arbiter. So why get involved in these things?
I'm very fair. Unlike you, I don't dismiss one side of a story to claim victimhood.


Speaking of informed, you do know the folks that attacked the US Embassy in Baghdad, wrote on the Embassy walls their leader was Soleimani, right? We took out their leader a few days later. It's just a shame maobama was more worried about his sham Iran deal than he was about American lives. He should have taken the bastard out years ago.

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What bullshit! Don’t put ever tire of being a useful idiot for crooks and liars
 
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Until our leaders start fessing up to what has been done in the name of protecting America, we as the true overseers of this government need to start becoming a more informed citizenry. What about Obama is no good here, because I am talking about the actions of EVERY administration since the end of WW2 and that includes this one.

So you can stop sucking trumps thang about this and start demanding that our government stop doing this shit.
obama did far worse than any other president has done
So no I will not allow you to forget about obama and what he did. Especially when you bitch about Trump I and I do hope others will remind you about obama

Obama did not do worse than this. Or Reagan and both Bushes. So start taking into account what we have done to them then ask yourself how would you feel if the another country did the same thing to us.
 
Because you leftist were so silent back then for what you are vocal about now.
You can't be allowed to slide and bitch about what Trump is doing and not be reminded about what obama did far worse.
But he didn't do far worse.
 
Speaking of informed, you do know the folks that attacked the US Embassy in Baghdad, wrote on the Embassy walls their leader was Soleimani, right? We took out their leader a few days later. It's just a shame maobama was more worried about his sham Iran deal than he was about American lives. He should have taken the bastard out years ago.

Well just take your ass to a search engine and learn about how many Iranians have been killed since the CIA overthrew a democratically elected leader and put in a dictator. Go find out how much money we paid Saddam to kill over 1 million Iranians because our government didn't like the fact the Iranian people overthrew the dictator our CIA put in power. Then ask yourself how you would feel about another country doing that to you.
 
IM2, do a Google search with a custom time frame. The Fake News, Democrat Party channels like MSNBC and CNN love the terrorist now, but knew he was an anti-civilization, pro-Terrorist Muslim savage 5-10 years ago and was a factor in the failure of Iraq to embrace liberation.
IM2 kneels at the Democrat Party altar.

You're wasting your time.
Rather be a democrat than a klan member.

The Dimz have done more damage to your families, your communities and to your prospects for the future than the Klan has. . . . but, Okay.

If only you new how much Blacks are sometimes vilified and ignored, just because they (you) are so OWNED by, brainwashed by and beholden to the Dimcrapic Party.
Same old dumb ass right wing lie.

Yeah.

We hate blacks and other non whites so much.

That's why we try to inform them about how the dimz aren't doing them any favors.

Yeah, that makes total sense.
 
IM2, do a Google search with a custom time frame. The Fake News, Democrat Party channels like MSNBC and CNN love the terrorist now, but knew he was an anti-civilization, pro-Terrorist Muslim savage 5-10 years ago and was a factor in the failure of Iraq to embrace liberation.
IM2 kneels at the Democrat Party altar.

You're wasting your time.
Rather be a democrat than a klan member.

The Dimz have done more damage to your families, your communities and to your prospects for the future than the Klan has. . . . but, Okay.

If only you new how much Blacks are sometimes vilified and ignored, just because they (you) are so OWNED by, brainwashed by and beholden to the Dimcrapic Party.
Same old dumb ass right wing lie.

Yeah.

We hate blacks and other non whites so much.

That's why we try to inform them about how the dimz aren't doing them any favors.

Yeah, that makes total sense.

What you are doing is lying about yourselves while misrepresenting democrats. Your agenda of roll back civil rights and false claims of anti white discrimination are things your side don't want to talk about. The mere belief that you have decided that we can't think for ourselves and whitey must guide us to the proper political choice is racist on it's face.
 
IM2, so your argument is Saddam holocausted millions of Iranians and therefore Iranians should hate the USA after the USA killed Saddam? :p
 
IM2 kneels at the Democrat Party altar.

You're wasting your time.
Rather be a democrat than a klan member.

The Dimz have done more damage to your families, your communities and to your prospects for the future than the Klan has. . . . but, Okay.

If only you new how much Blacks are sometimes vilified and ignored, just because they (you) are so OWNED by, brainwashed by and beholden to the Dimcrapic Party.
Same old dumb ass right wing lie.

Yeah.

We hate blacks and other non whites so much.

That's why we try to inform them about how the dimz aren't doing them any favors.

Yeah, that makes total sense.

What you are doing is lying about yourselves while misrepresenting democrats. Your agenda of roll back civil rights and false claims of anti white discrimination are things your side don't want to talk about. The mere belief that you have decided that we can't think for ourselves and whitey must guide us to the proper political choice is racist on it's face.

How do you explain the plight and strife of non whites who are living in poverty and high crime circumstances in Dimocrap ran shit holes like Detroit, Chicago, etc?

How can you lay that on white people or republicans?
 

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