The Constitution is Junk

[ThunderKiss1965]

It is, the US constitution is out of date. Your Constitution is codified. The UK's Constitution is uncodified -

A constitution that is not written in a single document. Instead, it is made up of a variety of documents, including statutes, court decisions, and conventions. The UK has an uncodified constitution.

Thus the UK's Constitution is continually updated. Republics, constitutional monarchy, communist state etc.. are systems. The thread topic is about constitutions, and Americas' being out-of-date. Clown shoes.

And that's why in your country you can be arrested for free speech and you can not use a firearm for self-defense.

 

[JohnDB]

The USA is still the longest running nation with the exact same government in world history.

Before the creation of the USA there were Monarchies. And as the King/Queen lived and died the new Monarch would create a new Government. Some were good....others not so much. Some kings like Henry VIII started out great but degenerated over time.

250 years with the same government, same rules/laws, same governing bodies is unique in the world history.

Everyone wants to "fix" the system that has been created.
However, the system works best when EVERYONE, who is a part of it, uses restraint. From legislative restraint to Judicial restraint and Executive restraint all need to use restraint to not exceed their powers.

The most powerful portion is the legislative branch as they can do more than the others. However, because the legislators have been OBVIOUSLY lax in actually doing their jobs....our system is groaning with waste, fraud, and abuse. They all have been more concerned with shoveling money into their pockets than actually doing their jobs.

Like reading the bills before them. They don't even actually draft the laws anymore. There exists a whole industry that drafts the laws and collects royalties from them every year. And to me. There is something really wrong with legislators who don't read or write the laws they vote on.

 

[justoffal]

Every week now, there is another pedestrian argument proclaiming the virtues of the Almighty United States Constitution. It goes on and on because political science is not a science. Some colleges call it "government studies," but it is all the same - none of the scholars are sophisticated enough to critique the Three-part Separation Theory.

The Three-part Separation Theory was miscalculated and improperly deployed, and the result is a system of Constitutional theology and dogma preventing the search for a more reliable government charter system.

The starting point for understanding the perpetually cycling problems of the erroneous three-branch governing system is that all of the executive power is in the executive branch, and the subsequent security departments lack an orderly organization of that power. The partisan problem is that the legislative assemblies are generally commissioned, publicly elected, and unsupervised. The judicial problem is because the administrative powers are distributed among the three branches, and the political contest in the legislative branch stabilized into its erroneous duopoly; ultimately, disseminating partisanship into the society including the judicial servants. The erroneous governing system causes political chaos that trickles down into society because that is why we institute government - to guide society.

Even if the government were to reach political order, and society is peaceful, the perpetual election cycle is going to destroy that, because the system is not designed to manage the elected offices when new laws are not necessary. The candidates have to campaign for change because they cannot campaign for "no new laws," because then the citizenry would question the need for politicians.

The absolute truth is that the three-branch separation only prevents any one person from ascending to a dictatorship. The inconvenient truth is that neither the separation nor the checks and balances prevent corruption or control the quality of the inevitable oligarchy created in the echelons of the government. The checks and balances cannot be reliably constructed for a simple three-branch separation model because the three branches are inherently cooperative entities for the stable administration of civil law; legislate, execute, and review.

The American charter system was inaccurately deployed, consequently, justice was established in unamendable error, domestic tranquility has since been forfeited, and the remaining parameters for the American Experiment; defense, general welfare, and liberty, are all at risk, as well.

Attached is a map for a six-part separation and a treatise

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[Dogmaphobe]

Verbose ^ but not especially intelligent.

Maybe something was lost during the translation from Mandarin?

 

[$ecular#eckler]

A rambling thesaurus heavy rant that doesn't say shit other than America bad.What exactly do you think should replace the current form of Government ?

US4CC.googlesites

 

[BackAgain]

US4CC.googlesites

Well, that’s gibberish.

Listen, Martin. May I call you Martin? No? Oh. Ok, then, Martin. I’ll call you Martin all the same.

Citing to your own silly spew website isn’t persuasive.

 

[Captain Caveman]

And that's why in your country you can be arrested for free speech and you can not use a firearm for self-defense.

You're just the usual Yank heading down the usual cliché list -

https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/list-of-cliches-used-by-yanks.1127830/

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Well, that’s gibberish.

Listen, Martin. May I call you Martin? No? Oh. Ok, then, Martin. I’ll call you Martin all the same.

Citing to your own silly spew website isn’t persuasive.

Get over your jealousy.

Do you believe that the checks and balances work?

 

[BackAgain]

Get over your jealousy.

Your vanity sees “jealousy” where only disdain exists.

Do you believe that the checks and balances work?

You imagine that’s ^ a clever question. And of course you’re wrong, Martin. It isn’t.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

The USA is still the longest running nation with the exact same government in world history.

That is not true. Amendments such as the Twelfth and Seventeenth, and the statute for the proportionment of the House of Representatives changed the formulation of the checks and balances very differently, and that effects the deliberation of issues, the laws that are enacted, and the enforcement of those laws.

Before the creation of the USA there were Monarchies. And as the King/Queen lived and died the new Monarch would create a new Government. Some were good....others not so much. Some kings like Henry VIII started out great but degenerated over time.

And such still exist, because the State Department cannot provide a reliable government charter system for the oppressed, or otherwise, developing societies.

250 years with the same government, same rules/laws, same governing bodies is unique in the world history.

Just because the Constitution is better than any other does not mean there are no
consequences for its imperfections. We are at that juncture in the advanced evolution
of the American governing system. Miscalculations, or inadequacies, that did not seem
to matter, now matter. We are enduring the consequences of the overrun of an
erroneous self-government experiment. Domestic tranquility has been forfeited and
the improperly formulated political parties have appropriated the people’s sense of
justice.

Everyone wants to "fix" the system that has been created.
However, the system works best when EVERYONE, who is a part of it, uses restraint. From legislative restraint to Judicial restraint and Executive restraint all need to use restraint to not exceed their powers.

That means the checks and balances do not work right.

The most powerful portion is the legislative branch as they can do more than the others. However, because the legislators have been OBVIOUSLY lax in actually doing their jobs....our system is groaning with waste, fraud, and abuse. They all have been more concerned with shoveling money into their pockets than actually doing their jobs.

That is because the balance of power does not provide the branches with a "will of its own," because the branches are inherently cooperative entities for the processing of law.

Like reading the bills before them. They don't even actually draft the laws anymore. There exists a whole industry that drafts the laws and collects royalties from them every year. And to me. There is something really wrong with legislators who don't read or write the laws they vote on.

Have you any idea how difficult it is to work within the labyrinth of the legislators’ variable obligations that have to be coordinated to pass legislation?

And then they have endless committee investigations to attend! Who has time to read or write legislation?

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Your vanity sees “jealousy” where only disdain exists.

Good luck explaining why nobody has figured this out, except me.

Article I, Section 5, Paragraph 2, Clause 1; Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings.

The rules for legislative order are probably the most overlooked inadequacy in the United States Constitution. Understandably, the Founders did not know how much more information concerning the rules of order was needed to design a reliable legislature, but it is truly mystifying that political science and Constitutional Law scholars have not focused on the peculiarity with an insistence that it needs to be deliberated for all practical options in pursuit of correcting the often described, “broken Congress.”

It can be safely guaranteed that the broken Congress problem has to do with the rules and that includes the rules that the Constitution establishes for the formation of the legislatures. To compensate for the lack of reliable rules, Congress has developed workarounds, or otherwise, compromising exercises like majority rules, the Bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, horsetrading, earmarks, tabs, and pork barrel spending bills, to work within the labyrinth of the legislators’ variable obligations that have to be coordinated to pass legislation.

It is absurd to believe that a modern sophisticated constitutional convention would recommission such an inadequate and disorderly concept. Simple reasoning leads to the simple calculation that a government charter should specify the rules for the legislature, and the judiciary assigned to enforce those rules on behalf of the people.

 

[BackAgain]

Good luck explaining why nobody has figured this out, except me.

Article I, Section 5, Paragraph 2, Clause 1; Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings.

The rules for legislative order are probably the most overlooked inadequacy in the United States Constitution. Understandably, the Founders did not know how much more information concerning the rules of order was needed to design a reliable legislature, but it is truly mystifying that political science and Constitutional Law scholars have not focused on the peculiarity with an insistence that it needs to be deliberated for all practical options in pursuit of correcting the often described, “broken Congress.”

It can be safely guaranteed that the broken Congress problem has to do with the rules and that includes the rules that the Constitution establishes for the formation of the legislatures. To compensate for the lack of reliable rules, Congress has developed workarounds, or otherwise, compromising exercises like majority rules, the Bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, horsetrading, earmarks, tabs, and pork barrel spending bills, to work within the labyrinth of the legislators’ variable obligations that have to be coordinated to pass legislation.

It is absurd to believe that a modern sophisticated constitutional convention would recommission such an inadequate and disorderly concept. Simple reasoning leads to the simple calculation that a government charter should specify the rules for the legislature, and the judiciary assigned to enforce those rules on behalf of the people.

You may be dull and unpersuasive, but at least you’re a retard.

 

[Foxfyre]

Every week now, there is another pedestrian argument proclaiming the virtues of the Almighty United States Constitution. It goes on and on because political science is not a science. Some colleges call it "government studies," but it is all the same - none of the scholars are sophisticated enough to critique the Three-part Separation Theory.

The Three-part Separation Theory was miscalculated and improperly deployed, and the result is a system of Constitutional theology and dogma preventing the search for a more reliable government charter system.

The starting point for understanding the perpetually cycling problems of the erroneous three-branch governing system is that all of the executive power is in the executive branch, and the subsequent security departments lack an orderly organization of that power. The partisan problem is that the legislative assemblies are generally commissioned, publicly elected, and unsupervised. The judicial problem is because the administrative powers are distributed among the three branches, and the political contest in the legislative branch stabilized into its erroneous duopoly; ultimately, disseminating partisanship into the society including the judicial servants. The erroneous governing system causes political chaos that trickles down into society because that is why we institute government - to guide society.

Even if the government were to reach political order, and society is peaceful, the perpetual election cycle is going to destroy that, because the system is not designed to manage the elected offices when new laws are not necessary. The candidates have to campaign for change because they cannot campaign for "no new laws," because then the citizenry would question the need for politicians.

The absolute truth is that the three-branch separation only prevents any one person from ascending to a dictatorship. The inconvenient truth is that neither the separation nor the checks and balances prevent corruption or control the quality of the inevitable oligarchy created in the echelons of the government. The checks and balances cannot be reliably constructed for a simple three-branch separation model because the three branches are inherently cooperative entities for the stable administration of civil law; legislate, execute, and review.

The American charter system was inaccurately deployed, consequently, justice was established in unamendable error, domestic tranquility has since been forfeited, and the remaining parameters for the American Experiment; defense, general welfare, and liberty, are all at risk, as well.

Attached is a map for a six-part separation and a treatise

This 'junk' as you characterize the U.S. Constitution has produced the the most free,most strong, most benevolent, most influential, most prosperous and greatest nation the world has ever known. It has influenced more peaceful and better governments all over the world with many modeling much of their own governing documents after ours.
I think I prefer that to what we (and others) would be without our Constitution.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Foxfyre

Yes, because of the Constitution, American society has been the most exceptional in world history, but there is at least one more super project that we need to fulfill. We need a reliable government charter system for the oppressed, or otherwise, developing societies. The United States State Department cannot relieve the global problem that leads to the immigration problem that we endure. The State Department only knows the American system, which works uniquely, because it is a product of its evolution of adjustments. Very much like a jalopy automobile, it works; however, it cannot be duplicated, because it has an obsolete chassis and customized parts to accommodate the unique evolution of the original model and the operator accustomed to the peculiarities of the parts and performance.

We need a reliable government charter system that can be translated and replicated for all languages, formatted to properly integrate and balance all levels of government powers, and scalable for three municipal population dimensions: small, standard, and large. We need a reliable chartering system, because not perfect is not good enough, anymore.

 

[Foxfyre]

Foxfyre

Yes, because of the Constitution, American society has been the most exceptional in world history, but there is at least one more super project that we need to fulfill. We need a reliable government charter system for the oppressed, or otherwise, developing societies. The United States State Department cannot relieve the global problem that leads to the immigration problem that we endure. The State Department only knows the American system, which works uniquely, because it is a product of its evolution of adjustments. Very much like a jalopy automobile, it works; however, it cannot be duplicated, because it has an obsolete chassis and customized parts to accommodate the unique evolution of the original model and the operator accustomed to the peculiarities of the parts and performance.

We need a reliable government charter system that can be translated and replicated for all languages, formatted to properly integrate and balance all levels of government powers, and scalable for three municipal population dimensions: small, standard, and large. We need a reliable chartering system, because not perfect is not good enough, anymore.

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English works just fine and there was a time when all immigrants were required to have at least a basic working knowledge of it in order to be naturalized. That should still be the law of the land.

We accommodate the rest of the world more than any other nation in the world already. And we now have a President that understands that we cannot take in all the world's poor or remedy all the world's problems and we do more harm than good when we try.

A strong powerful USA as a trading partner and example for success is the world's best chance to prosper itself.

 

[BackAgain]

Foxfyre

Yes, because of the Constitution, American society has been the most exceptional in world history, but there is at least one more super project that we need to fulfill. We need a reliable government charter system for the oppressed, or otherwise, developing societies. The United States State Department cannot relieve the global problem that leads to the immigration problem that we endure. The State Department only knows the American system, which works uniquely, because it is a product of its evolution of adjustments. Very much like a jalopy automobile, it works; however, it cannot be duplicated, because it has an obsolete chassis and customized parts to accommodate the unique evolution of the original model and the operator accustomed to the peculiarities of the parts and performance.

We need a reliable government charter system that can be translated and replicated for all languages, formatted to properly integrate and balance all levels of government powers, and scalable for three municipal population dimensions: small, standard, and large. We need a reliable chartering system, because not perfect is not good enough, anymore.

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You’re entitled to your trite juvenile opinions. But you aren’t entitled to demand that anybody buy your alleged “reasoning.” So fuck off.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

You’re entitled to your trite juvenile opinions. But you aren’t entitled to demand that anybody buy your alleged “reasoning.” So fuck off.

Why are you so upset?
Just ignore me.

 

[BackAgain]

Why are you so upset?
Just ignore me.

I’m not upset. You’re just a moron.

And if and when I choose to put you on ignore is my call, shithead. Not yours.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

I’m not upset. You’re just a moron.

And if and when I choose to put you on ignore is my call, shithead. Not yours.

 

[BackAgain]

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What the fuck does/did that kid have to do with anything?

Damn, you’re an idiot.