The Confederacy was an Evil Empire

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You lose your credibility when you compare the good patriotic Southern confederate heritage to Hitler's SS but it's a convenient argument and I expect that it has a lot of followers among the modern ignorant left.

I increase my cred with such comparisons. The South fought to own, sell, and rape human flesh,

 

[Papageorgio]

For over a hundred and fifty years, the legacy of the Confederacy has been sold as a noble Lost Cause of states defending their states rights.

The reality is that the Confederacy was an Evil Empire. One of the worst nations in the history of mankind.

The Confederacy was built on ensuring that the institution of slavery would exist forever,
The Confederacy kept 40 percent of its population in bondage.
The economy of the Confederacy was built around enforced free labor. Labor enforced by whip and chain.
The Confederacy used women for breeding and then sold the children.
The Confederacy considered human slaves as no more than livestock

By any valuation, this was pure EVIL and should never be defended or honored in todays society.

So, do you believe Microsoft to be evil? Is Phillip Morris, British Tabboco and JTI evil?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

CSA is the epitome of evil.

 

[SmokeALib]

For over a hundred and fifty years, the legacy of the Confederacy has been sold as a noble Lost Cause of states defending their states rights.

The reality is that the Confederacy was an Evil Empire. One of the worst nations in the history of mankind.

The Confederacy was built on ensuring that the institution of slavery would exist forever,
The Confederacy kept 40 percent of its population in bondage.
The economy of the Confederacy was built around enforced free labor. Labor enforced by whip and chain.
The Confederacy used women for breeding and then sold the children.
The Confederacy considered human slaves as no more than livestock

By any valuation, this was pure EVIL and should never be defended or honored in todays society.

Kinda what the Democratic Party is today - to make blacks (and everybody else) slaves to the almighty government.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Kinda what the Democratic Republican Party is today - to make blacks (and everybody else) slaves to the MAGA movement.

 

[rightwinger]

Kinda what the Democratic Party is today - to make blacks (and everybody else) slaves to the almighty government.

Not THAT Captain Hyperbole!

 

[BackAgain]

whst was it then?

A shitty confederacy.

 

[BackAgain]

Kinda what the Democratic Republican Party is today - to make blacks (and everybody else) slaves to the MAGA movement.

Not a single iota of sense was found in retarded jackass’ post.

 

[San Souci]

For over a hundred and fifty years, the legacy of the Confederacy has been sold as a noble Lost Cause of states defending their states rights.

The reality is that the Confederacy was an Evil Empire. One of the worst nations in the history of mankind.

The Confederacy was built on ensuring that the institution of slavery would exist forever,
The Confederacy kept 40 percent of its population in bondage.
The economy of the Confederacy was built around enforced free labor. Labor enforced by whip and chain.
The Confederacy used women for breeding and then sold the children.
The Confederacy considered human slaves as no more than livestock

By any valuation, this was pure EVIL and should never be defended or honored in todays society.

An Evil DEMOCRAT Empire.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Objective, educated people know that historical issues are rarely as simple and cut-and-dried as school textbooks portray them. This is especially true for issues such as the Confederacy. A few more facts on the issue:

-- When in late 1864 the Confederacy began to debate emancipation for slaves who agreed to serve in the army, letters to editors in Southern newspapers ran heavily in favor of the idea. This should not be shocking. Fewer than 10% of Southern citizens owned slaves, and 2/3 of Southern households did not have slaves.

-- Liberal historians frequently misquote the Confederate bill that authorized emancipation for slave soldiers in order to make it appear that the bill did not authorize any change in the slaves' status. If you read the bill, you'll see it did authorize such a change. Moreover, when Jefferson Davis issued the executive order to implement the bill, he added the stipulation that slaves had to volunteer for military service, that no slave could be forced to serve against his will.

-- Many, many non-slaveholding Southerners harbored considerable resentment against the planter class, i.e., slaveholders who owned 50 or more slaves.

-- The radical slaveholders and slavery apologists were known as Fire-Eaters. Nearly half the members of the Confederate Congress were Fire-Eaters. To give you some idea of how radical they were, Fire-Eating Southern newspapers blasted Robert E. Lee when he publicly supported gradual emancipation in late 1864 and early 1865. Until then, criticism of Lee in Southern newspapers had been rare and mild.

-- There were two groups of Fire-Eaters. You had sincere, principled Fire-Eaters such as Robert Barnwell Rhett, who truly believed that the slaves were happy with their situation and that emancipation would be harmful for slaves, and who were shocked and disturbed when they realized this was not true. But then you had other Fire-Easters such as Thomas Hindman, who were immoral and who cared nothing for slaves and viewed them as little more than cattle.

-- The Fire-Eaters were the ones who spread false, inflammatory stories about Northern abolitionists starting fires in the South, freeing slaves, urging slaves to stage a violent revolt, etc., etc.

-- The Fire-Eaters were also the ones who led the charge to reject the 1860 election results and to push the Deep South states to secede. In contrast, men like Davis and Lee urged restraint and negotiation and initially spoke against secession.

 

[whitehall]

I increase my cred with such comparisons. The South fought to own, sell, and rape human flesh,

Every society including the American colonies and England and Portugal and Spain fought to own, sell and rape human flesh. We forgave them but we can't seem to forgive ourselves when there is some hatred based political advantage to be gained.

 

[Failzero]

24% of Americans today have Ancestry who fought for the Confederacy ( Including Some Blacks )

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Every society including the American colonies and England and Portugal and Spain fought to own, sell and rape human flesh. We forgave them but we can't seem to forgive ourselves when there is some hatred based political advantage to be gained.

... because it took a civil war that killed more than 600000 soldiers and at least 100000 civilians.

It required war for the US to end this evil.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

24% of Americans today have Ancestry who fought for the Confederacy ( Including Some Blacks )

Probably as many as 2,000 blacks fought for the South.

So what?

It was evil. the 24% of southern-descent Americans today must renounce the CSA.

 

[Failzero]

Probably as many as 2,000 blacks fought for the South.

So what?

It was evil. the 24% of southern-descent Americans today must renounce the CSA.

So to be an American today you must renounce ( Israel & Zionism) ( Marxism / Socialism / Communism) ...

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We must uphold Israel, we must denounce fascism, and we must denounce Marxism.

 

[Failzero]

We must uphold Israel, we must denounce fascism, and we must denounce Marxism.

We must renounce ( Open Borders ) ( Pedo / NAMBLA types ) ( Legalized Drugs ) ( Third Trimester Abortion ) ...

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There are no open borders. Only pedos support pedos and mos NAMBLA are GOP.

I am uncertain about how far we should legalize drugs. Trimester abortion should be allowed in case of Mom's health and lack of viailility of fetus.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Objective, educated people know that historical issues are rarely as simple and cut-and-dried as school textbooks portray them. This is especially true for issues such as the Confederacy. A few more facts on the issue:

-- When in late 1864 the Confederacy began to debate emancipation for slaves who agreed to serve in the army, letters to editors in Southern newspapers ran heavily in favor of the idea. This should not be shocking. Fewer than 10% of Southern citizens owned slaves, and 2/3 of Southern households did not have slaves.

-- Liberal historians frequently misquote the Confederate bill that authorized emancipation for slave soldiers in order to make it appear that the bill did not authorize any change in the slaves' status. If you read the bill, you'll see it did authorize such a change. Moreover, when Jefferson Davis issued the executive order to implement the bill, he added the stipulation that slaves had to volunteer for military service, that no slave could be forced to serve against his will.

-- Many, many non-slaveholding Southerners harbored considerable resentment against the planter class, i.e., slaveholders who owned 50 or more slaves.

-- The radical slaveholders and slavery apologists were known as Fire-Eaters. Nearly half the members of the Confederate Congress were Fire-Eaters. To give you some idea of how radical they were, Fire-Eating Southern newspapers blasted Robert E. Lee when he publicly supported gradual emancipation in late 1864 and early 1865. Until then, criticism of Lee in Southern newspapers had been rare and mild.

-- There were two groups of Fire-Eaters. You had sincere, principled Fire-Eaters such as Robert Barnwell Rhett, who truly believed that the slaves were happy with their situation and that emancipation would be harmful for slaves, and who were shocked and disturbed when they realized this was not true. But then you had other Fire-Easters such as Thomas Hindman, who were immoral and who cared nothing for slaves and viewed them as little more than cattle.

-- The Fire-Eaters were the ones who spread false, inflammatory stories about Northern abolitionists starting fires in the South, freeing slaves, urging slaves to stage a violent revolt, etc., etc.

-- The Fire-Eaters were also the ones who led the charge to reject the 1860 election results and to push the Deep South states to secede. In contrast, men like Davis and Lee urged restraint and negotiation and initially spoke against secession.

I should add that it was also mostly the Fire-Eaters who told all sorts of reckless, wild tales about what Abraham Lincoln would to the South after he took office. They also brazenly misrepresented Lincoln's views on the John Brown raid to make it appear that he approved of the raid, when in fact he roundly and severely condemned it.

And, sadly, very few Southern newspapers expressed any skepticism about this false portrayal of Lincoln. The Fire-Eaters used this whipped-up, unfounded fear of Lincoln to garner public support for secession in the Deep South. The majority of citizens in the Upper South did not buy it, but the substantial majority of Deep South citizens did.

 

[Zebra]

For over a hundred and fifty years, the legacy of the Confederacy has been sold as a noble Lost Cause of states defending their states rights.

The reality is that the Confederacy was an Evil Empire. One of the worst nations in the history of mankind.

The Confederacy was built on ensuring that the institution of slavery would exist forever,
The Confederacy kept 40 percent of its population in bondage.
The economy of the Confederacy was built around enforced free labor. Labor enforced by whip and chain.
The Confederacy used women for breeding and then sold the children.
The Confederacy considered human slaves as no more than livestock

By any valuation, this was pure EVIL and should never be defended or honored in todays society.

Ery true!