The Blinders On The Left

[PoliticalChic]

there was no recession in 2008. There was a market correction the was very short term and the market started back up in 2009. The so called recession of 2008 is a fantasy of the left to justify the failures of the great Kenyan messiah.

DAMN LIAR ^^^; TYPICAL OF A RIGHT WING POS!

The stock market crash of 2008 occurred on September 29, 2008. The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 777.68 points in intra-day trading. That was the largest point drop in any single day in history. It plummeted because Congress rejected the bank bailout bill. But the crash had been building for a long time.

The Dow hit its pre-recession high on October 9, 2007, closing at 14,164.43. Less than 18 months later, it had dropped more than 50 percent to 6,594.44 on March 5, 2009.

those numbers make my point, no recession, a market correction. BTW, what is the DOW at today?

for the record, I and many others made a lot of money in the market in 08 and 09. It was an outstanding time to buy.

There was no recession, that is a left wing talking point designed to cover up the economic failure known as Obama.

Maybe you're simply stupid and not a Damn Liar. But maybe both.

Both housing, the stock markets and unemployment began their recovery during the Obama Administration, no amount of revisionist history will refute those facts. That you believe the crash in Oct. 2008 was not an effect of a failure to regulate by Bush&Co. is a fantasy.

1. "Maybe you're simply stupid..."
The concept of irony has spent the entirety of its existence waiting for you to come along and give it meaning.


2. "Both housing, the stock markets and unemployment began their recovery ..."
It behooves me...as it plays into the concept being developed in this thread.....that the Mortgage Meltdown is a direct result of Democrat policy.

Had not FDR ignored his authority under article 1, section 8 of the Constitution, and invaded....occupied.....the private housing market...
....he created GSE's Fannie, and his drones followed with Freddie, to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.


There would never.....NEVER....had been Mortgage Meltdown
"... the total lost household wealth at $19.2 trillion. But that doesn’t take into account long-term effects of homeowners who may be less socially mobile — and therefore contribute less to the economy over time."
How Much Did the Financial Crisis Cost?



Gads...when any educated person views the calamities, both domestic and in foreign policy, caused by the Democrats....

...one has to wonder why the party has not been outlawed.

#2 Another damn ^^^ lie: The policy for home ownership was a product of both the R's and D's:

December 16, 2003

Today's Presidential Action
"Today, President Bush signed into law the American Dream Downpayment Act of 2003, which will help approximately 40,000 families a year with their down payment and closing costs, and further strengthen America's housing market. This legislation complements the President's aggressive housing agenda announced in 2002 to dismantle the barriers to homeownership"

Somehow, claiming others lie turns into a boomerang for your posts.

1. Democrat FDR shredded the Constitution....ignoring article I, section 8, the enumerated powers.

He created GSE's Fannie, and his drones followed with Freddie, to do something the Constitution didn't authorize: meddle in housing.
Fannie Mae was created in 1938.....who was President?

2. Democrat Carter....the CRA, constraining banking policy


3. Democrat Clinton....strengthened the CRA

Under Clinton, HUD threatened banks, again, to give unrequited loans.

Henchmen: Democrats Cisneros and Cuomo.


4. Democrats Frank and Dodd barred any governmental discipline in this area.

It was Democrats and Democrat policies that caused the Mortgage Meltdown



And so....once again....we've proven that the only liar here is .......

.....you.

 

[Redfish]

The Great Depression and our great Recession was caused by scamming bankers, wall street, & people in high places of power, the signs were there well be for 1929, same with the Recession, methods to fix the mess, being both good, bad, &varied, as usual we are never prepared even when we know its coming.

there was no recession in 2008. There was a market correction the was very short term and the market started back up in 2009. The so called recession of 2008 is a fantasy of the left to justify the failures of the great Kenyan messiah.

DAMN LIAR ^^^; TYPICAL OF A RIGHT WING POS!

The stock market crash of 2008 occurred on September 29, 2008. The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 777.68 points in intra-day trading. That was the largest point drop in any single day in history. It plummeted because Congress rejected the bank bailout bill. But the crash had been building for a long time.

The Dow hit its pre-recession high on October 9, 2007, closing at 14,164.43. Less than 18 months later, it had dropped more than 50 percent to 6,594.44 on March 5, 2009.

those numbers make my point, no recession, a market correction. BTW, what is the DOW at today?

for the record, I and many others made a lot of money in the market in 08 and 09. It was an outstanding time to buy.

There was no recession, that is a left wing talking point designed to cover up the economic failure known as Obama.

Maybe you're simply stupid and not a Damn Liar. But maybe both.

Both housing, the stock markets and unemployment began their recovery during the Obama Administration, no amount of revisionist history will refute those facts. That you believe the crash in Oct. 2008 was not an effect of a failure to regulate by Bush&Co. is a fantasy.

IT WAS NOT A RECESSION, AND YES THE RECOVERY HAPPENED UNDER OBOZO, SO FRICKEN WHAT? NOTHING HE DID CAUSED THE MARKETS TO TURN AROUND, NOTHING HE DID CAUSED HOUSING TO RECOVER, NOTHING HE DID CAUSED UNEMPLOYMENT TO BE REDUCED (IN FACT UNEMPLOYMENT AND UNDEREMPLOYMENT INCREASED UNDER THE KENYAN MANIPULATER).

THE SO-CALLED "CRASH OF OCT 08, WAS A VERY TEMPORARY MARKET CORRECTION, BUSH DID NOT CAUSE IT AND OBOZO DID NOT FIX IT.

DAMN, CAN YOU GET OFF THE POLITICAL TALKING POINTS FOR JUST ONE OR TWO POSTS?

 

[Redfish]

For the most part, when it comes to communism, Socialism, and every iteration thereof, Leftists cannot see or recognize any iniquity.
And that extends to refusing to admit the success of the economic and political thesis known as conservatism.


One Liberal wrote this in a recent article in the WSJ:

"It is time to admit that American liberalism is in deep crisis: a crisis of imagination and ambition on our side, a crisis of attachment and trust on the side of the wider public.
Ronald Reagan almost single-handedly destroyed the New Deal vision of America that used to guide us."
The Liberal Crackup


Let's go over the reasons for this.

They...Liberals, Democrats, Socialists, Marxists.... so very much want communism to be correct and successful, that the Left's pundits both ignore the truth, and lie about it.


1. "...Western leftists [suffered from] an intellectual disability when they gazed upon the Soviet Union....they failed to notice the transformation of their own...economies by Reaganism....

Almost all the intellectual energy of ....leftists was spent in attempting to demonstrate the failure of [Reagan's] policies by criteria that were short-term, parochial, and irrelevant to the dramatic character of the economic changes that [Reagan's policies produced]."
John O'sullivan, "The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister: Three Who Changed the World," p.257-258



2. One cannot help but laugh when reading the prognostications, predictions, pronouncements from one Leftist after another.... John Kenneth Galbraith, Lester Thurow, Paul Samuelson, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Seweryn Bialer, Strobe Talbott.....one after another praising the success of the USSR, and claiming how tales of impending demise were simply untrue.

And this....right up to a year before the Soviet collapse!!!


Yet....these are the 'experts' taught to this day in our universities.....and the real expert, Ronald Reagan....despised in those precincts.




3. The 'dupes' were still viewing Potemkin Villages.
A dupe is one who is easily deceived or fooled. As far back as Washington’s Farewell Address, we find the warning against dupes: “Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

In the early years after the Bolshevik Revolution, the communists used manipulations, such as the Potemkin Villages, to persuade the world how admirable and successful the revolution had been. One technique was to invite prominent American and British leftists to take carefully planned tours. And these ‘Potemkin Progressives,’ for the most part, behaved and thought just as they were meant to. Lenin, and then Stalin, carefully arranged the tours so that these progressives would then go back to their countries and praise Soviet Russia, and tell of the amazing success of communism. See Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century



For dupes such as these 'Potemkin Progressives'.... John Kenneth Galbraith, Lester Thurow, Paul Samuelson, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Seweryn Bialer, Strobe Talbott...trips to Potemkin Villages wasn't necessary. Long after Franklin Roosevelt has sworn that Communist Russia was what we should honor, and hope to be, they continued to carry that banner.



Imagine how quickly any college course telling the truth about the Soviet Union, or revealing the success of Reagan's economic policies...

...would be shut down.

Blinders on the left?????
What's taking place in Virginia is a reflection of the trump administration. People like, Bannon, Miller and Trump as well, have emboldened and have fed into the hate. And what these racist fascist people don't understand, is they're supporting or honoring treason. In their twisted minds, they think they're being patriotic, when in reality they are just terrorists.

Do you want to talk about treason? Hmmm, do you?

then lets talk about Benghazi
lets talk about 30,000 deleted e-mails
lets talk about a deal to give Russia 20% of our uranium
lets talks Bubba Clinton's speaking fees in Russia
lets talk about Lynch and Bubba's meeting on the tarmac
lets talk about the DNC and the media collaborating to give questions to Hillary
lets talk about how Harry Reid became a multi millionaire while "serving" in the senate
lets talk about wasserman Schultz and national security
lets talk about Comey and Lynch scheming to call the Hillary investigation a "matter"

you libs have no high ground here, your people are as dirty as they come

 

[Wry Catcher]

For the most part, when it comes to communism, Socialism, and every iteration thereof, Leftists cannot see or recognize any iniquity.
And that extends to refusing to admit the success of the economic and political thesis known as conservatism.


One Liberal wrote this in a recent article in the WSJ:

"It is time to admit that American liberalism is in deep crisis: a crisis of imagination and ambition on our side, a crisis of attachment and trust on the side of the wider public.
Ronald Reagan almost single-handedly destroyed the New Deal vision of America that used to guide us."
The Liberal Crackup


Let's go over the reasons for this.

They...Liberals, Democrats, Socialists, Marxists.... so very much want communism to be correct and successful, that the Left's pundits both ignore the truth, and lie about it.


1. "...Western leftists [suffered from] an intellectual disability when they gazed upon the Soviet Union....they failed to notice the transformation of their own...economies by Reaganism....

Almost all the intellectual energy of ....leftists was spent in attempting to demonstrate the failure of [Reagan's] policies by criteria that were short-term, parochial, and irrelevant to the dramatic character of the economic changes that [Reagan's policies produced]."
John O'sullivan, "The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister: Three Who Changed the World," p.257-258



2. One cannot help but laugh when reading the prognostications, predictions, pronouncements from one Leftist after another.... John Kenneth Galbraith, Lester Thurow, Paul Samuelson, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Seweryn Bialer, Strobe Talbott.....one after another praising the success of the USSR, and claiming how tales of impending demise were simply untrue.

And this....right up to a year before the Soviet collapse!!!


Yet....these are the 'experts' taught to this day in our universities.....and the real expert, Ronald Reagan....despised in those precincts.




3. The 'dupes' were still viewing Potemkin Villages.
A dupe is one who is easily deceived or fooled. As far back as Washington’s Farewell Address, we find the warning against dupes: “Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

In the early years after the Bolshevik Revolution, the communists used manipulations, such as the Potemkin Villages, to persuade the world how admirable and successful the revolution had been. One technique was to invite prominent American and British leftists to take carefully planned tours. And these ‘Potemkin Progressives,’ for the most part, behaved and thought just as they were meant to. Lenin, and then Stalin, carefully arranged the tours so that these progressives would then go back to their countries and praise Soviet Russia, and tell of the amazing success of communism. See Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century



For dupes such as these 'Potemkin Progressives'.... John Kenneth Galbraith, Lester Thurow, Paul Samuelson, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Seweryn Bialer, Strobe Talbott...trips to Potemkin Villages wasn't necessary. Long after Franklin Roosevelt has sworn that Communist Russia was what we should honor, and hope to be, they continued to carry that banner.



Imagine how quickly any college course telling the truth about the Soviet Union, or revealing the success of Reagan's economic policies...

...would be shut down.

Blinders on the left?????
What's taking place in Virginia is a reflection of the trump administration. People like, Bannon, Miller and Trump as well, have emboldened and have fed into the hate. And what these racist fascist people don't understand, is they're supporting or honoring treason. In their twisted minds, they think they're being patriotic, when in reality they are just terrorists.

Do you want to talk about treason? Hmmm, do you?

then lets talk about Benghazi
lets talk about 30,000 deleted e-mails
lets talk about a deal to give Russia 20% of our uranium
lets talks Bubba Clinton's speaking fees in Russia
lets talk about Lynch and Bubba's meeting on the tarmac
lets talk about the DNC and the media collaborating to give questions to Hillary
lets talk about how Harry Reid became a multi millionaire while "serving" in the senate
lets talk about wasserman Schultz and national security
lets talk about Comey and Lynch scheming to call the Hillary investigation a "matter"

you libs have no high ground here, your people are as dirty as they come

You need a tin foil hat lined with lead.

 

[danielpalos]

Nonsense.

There is no way to compare the Right to the groups that have descended from a philosophy that slaughtered over 100 million men, women and children.

I have no desire to argue with a philosophical agente provocatrice, though you are enjoyably witty.

But to rebut, evil on one side spurs evil from the other. Looking back at the apparent continuance of these problems and the moral battles which have persisted since at least the WWI era I believe that people from both partisan views are equally responsible -
One cries about such-and-such to the point of tantrum, spurring retaliatory acts of attention from the other, justifying the cries and tantrums from the former, baiting the weak from the latter, the cycle continues.

Perhaps another time I can try to convince you, and ask for examples that compare with the Katyn Forest Massacre, the gulags, the state-directed famines, the murders to prevent 'emigration,' etc.

For now....the thread is constructed to highlight the embrace of failed economic and political policies by the Left.


Take care.

FDR was on the left; Hoover was on the right. Any questions?

 

[Redfish]

For the most part, when it comes to communism, Socialism, and every iteration thereof, Leftists cannot see or recognize any iniquity.
And that extends to refusing to admit the success of the economic and political thesis known as conservatism.


One Liberal wrote this in a recent article in the WSJ:

"It is time to admit that American liberalism is in deep crisis: a crisis of imagination and ambition on our side, a crisis of attachment and trust on the side of the wider public.
Ronald Reagan almost single-handedly destroyed the New Deal vision of America that used to guide us."
The Liberal Crackup


Let's go over the reasons for this.

They...Liberals, Democrats, Socialists, Marxists.... so very much want communism to be correct and successful, that the Left's pundits both ignore the truth, and lie about it.


1. "...Western leftists [suffered from] an intellectual disability when they gazed upon the Soviet Union....they failed to notice the transformation of their own...economies by Reaganism....

Almost all the intellectual energy of ....leftists was spent in attempting to demonstrate the failure of [Reagan's] policies by criteria that were short-term, parochial, and irrelevant to the dramatic character of the economic changes that [Reagan's policies produced]."
John O'sullivan, "The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister: Three Who Changed the World," p.257-258



2. One cannot help but laugh when reading the prognostications, predictions, pronouncements from one Leftist after another.... John Kenneth Galbraith, Lester Thurow, Paul Samuelson, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Seweryn Bialer, Strobe Talbott.....one after another praising the success of the USSR, and claiming how tales of impending demise were simply untrue.

And this....right up to a year before the Soviet collapse!!!


Yet....these are the 'experts' taught to this day in our universities.....and the real expert, Ronald Reagan....despised in those precincts.




3. The 'dupes' were still viewing Potemkin Villages.
A dupe is one who is easily deceived or fooled. As far back as Washington’s Farewell Address, we find the warning against dupes: “Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

In the early years after the Bolshevik Revolution, the communists used manipulations, such as the Potemkin Villages, to persuade the world how admirable and successful the revolution had been. One technique was to invite prominent American and British leftists to take carefully planned tours. And these ‘Potemkin Progressives,’ for the most part, behaved and thought just as they were meant to. Lenin, and then Stalin, carefully arranged the tours so that these progressives would then go back to their countries and praise Soviet Russia, and tell of the amazing success of communism. See Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century



For dupes such as these 'Potemkin Progressives'.... John Kenneth Galbraith, Lester Thurow, Paul Samuelson, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Seweryn Bialer, Strobe Talbott...trips to Potemkin Villages wasn't necessary. Long after Franklin Roosevelt has sworn that Communist Russia was what we should honor, and hope to be, they continued to carry that banner.



Imagine how quickly any college course telling the truth about the Soviet Union, or revealing the success of Reagan's economic policies...

...would be shut down.

Blinders on the left?????
What's taking place in Virginia is a reflection of the trump administration. People like, Bannon, Miller and Trump as well, have emboldened and have fed into the hate. And what these racist fascist people don't understand, is they're supporting or honoring treason. In their twisted minds, they think they're being patriotic, when in reality they are just terrorists.

Do you want to talk about treason? Hmmm, do you?

then lets talk about Benghazi
lets talk about 30,000 deleted e-mails
lets talk about a deal to give Russia 20% of our uranium
lets talks Bubba Clinton's speaking fees in Russia
lets talk about Lynch and Bubba's meeting on the tarmac
lets talk about the DNC and the media collaborating to give questions to Hillary
lets talk about how Harry Reid became a multi millionaire while "serving" in the senate
lets talk about wasserman Schultz and national security
lets talk about Comey and Lynch scheming to call the Hillary investigation a "matter"

you libs have no high ground here, your people are as dirty as they come

You need a tin foil hat lined with lead.

In other words you don't want to talk about any treasonous acts committed by dems and libs. Got it.

If you just want to exchange insults, I am not interested because I have facts on my side and I am better at it than you are.

 

[danielpalos]

...FDR and Obama, both rescued our nation from the incompetency of their Republican Predecessors.

The Great Depression had much more to do with industry fatcats in conglomerate with the biggest scamming bankers the world had ever seen pulling a fast one on global commerce to consolidate power and further cement oligopolies/plutocracies than any government involvement of the time.
These same types of people are still pushing agendas to consolidate more and more and more into their own circles, and politically they exist on both sides.

FDR implemented debt policies to keep the starving man afloat. We needed no additional policies during the housing collapse to feed families as welfare was already in place. The market recovered after the big scare on it's own damn volition, and not Obama, nor Obama's admin or the government in general did a damn thing but sold the people out on even more debt which went into the hands of banking cartels and stock frauders.

You must be a blind man, or one of poor voracity for the truth.

Dude, the left wing knows, capitalism died in 1929 and we have been, "bailed out by socialism, ever since".

 

[danielpalos]

Torch-wielding white nationalists march on University of Virginia ahead of massive rally

From the Link:

Charlottesville mayor Mike Signer said in a statement of the torch-bearing white nationalists, "I have seen tonight the images of torches on the Grounds of the University of Virginia. When I think of torches, I want to think of the Statue of Liberty. When I think of candelight, I want to think of prayer vigils. Today, in 2017, we are instead seeing a cowardly parade of hatred, bigotry, racism, and intolerance march down the lawns of the architect of our Bill of Rights ... I am beyond disgusted by this unsanctioned and despicable display of visual intimidation on a college campus."

Sooo....the best you can do, half-head, is claim "seee...you have insane, anti-American radicals on your side, too......

....just a fraction as many."


None of the folks you've tried to identify as the Right represent Right-leadership.


All of the iniquities of the Left are right out of their mouths.


"Democrats Boo God"

Your theory of defense is very weak, the structure of your opinion does not meet the standard of an argument (they never do) and is one more opinion piece by a rather dimwitted and angry narcissist.

Everything I post is accurate, correct and true.

It is no accident that I always provide links, sources and documentation.
You, on the other hand, are our best source of Greenhouse Gases.


Now, judging by your input in this and every other attempt at posting by you, one can only conclude this fact of life:
Somewhere out there is a tree tireless producing oxygen so you can breathe. I think you owe it an apology.

Everything you post is biased and most of it is either a lie (example to follow), a half-truth, an exaggeration, a rumor or and innuendo.

As to #4 above:

"The Great Depression lasted from 1929 to 1939, and was the worst economic downturn in the history of the industrialized world. It began after the stock market crash of October 1929, which sent Wall Street into a panic and wiped out millions of investors. Over the next several years, consumer spending and investment dropped, causing steep declines in industrial output and employment as failing companies laid off workers. By 1933, when the Great Depression reached its lowest point, some 15 million Americans were unemployed and nearly half the country’s banks had failed."

http://www.history.com/topics/great-depression

FDR was inaugurated the first week of March, 1933. He, like Obama later, had no game plan on how to respond to the economic mess left to him by his predecessors.

Now, for those who want to read the link, and compare it to the Minister of Truth's story, PoliticalChic, who revises history to suit her biases, will have an understanding of why conservatives hate FDR and Obama, both rescued our nation from the incompetency of their Republican Predecessors.

Is this correct or not, half-head?


"During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.

Real per-capita disposable income increased by 18% from 1982 to 1989, meaning the American standard of living increased by almost 20% in just seven years. The poverty rate declined every year from 1984 to 1989, dropping by one-sixth from its peak. The stock market more than tripled in value from 1980 to 1990, a larger increase than in any previous decade."
Reaganomics Vs. Obamanomics: Facts And Figures


Speak up!!!

Both had to bailout out the rich not blacks?

 

[danielpalos]

...FDR and Obama, both rescued our nation from the incompetency of their Republican Predecessors.

The Great Depression had much more to do with industry fatcats in conglomerate with the biggest scamming bankers the world had ever seen pulling a fast one on global commerce to consolidate power and further cement oligopolies/plutocracies than any government involvement of the time.
These same types of people are still pushing agendas to consolidate more and more and more into their own circles, and politically they exist on both sides.

FDR implemented debt policies to keep the starving man afloat. We needed no additional policies during the housing collapse to feed families as welfare was already in place. The market recovered after the big scare on it's own damn volition, and not Obama, nor Obama's admin or the government in general did a damn thing but sold the people out on even more debt which went into the hands of banking cartels and stock frauders.

You must be a blind man, or one of poor voracity for the truth.

"FDR implemented debt policies to keep the starving man afloat."

I am happy to see you instructing that fool.....but....there were no 'starving men" during the Depression.

"According to my quick reading of the Life and death during the Great Depression by José A. Tapia Granadosa and Ana V. Diez Roux, the only noticeable increase of mortality was suicide, with a noticeable decline of mortality in every other category.

It's interesting that this paper was written in 2009, before the (shall we say) sensationalist Russian claim of 7 million deaths.

According also to Michael Mosley, life expectancy actually rose through the Great Depression. In his Horizon programme Eat, Fast and Live Longer he claims

From 1929 to 1933, in the darkest years of the great depression when people were eating far less, life expectancy increased by 6 years.

seeing as the US diet was far higher than starvation standards before the GD, even a serious reduction would have been unlikely to induce starvation level conditions in the majority of the population. And with enough food available overall, and the US always having had a very active local charity network, it's quite likely there would have been help for at least the majority of those who could not afford to feed themselves. In fact for quite a few people a somewhat leaner diet may well have contributed to the increased life expectancy. –



They include a table that shows trends in death rates per 100,000 population. Starvation does not appear on the list, nor does it rate a mention in the article. The researchers do acknowledge that malnutrition led to decreased health during the Depression, but not to increased mortality. Malnutrition was a widespread problem, starvation was not.



Importantly, this study shows that economic crisis does not guarantee a mortality crisis, but instead reinforces the notion that what crucially matters is how governments respond and whether protective social and public health policies are in place both during and in advance of economic shocks

Sources: David Stuckler, Christopher Meissner, Price Fishback, Sanjay Basu, Martin McKee. 2011. "Banking crises and mortality during the Great Depression: evidence from US urban populations, 1929-1937." Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. (link)

Price Fishback, Michael Haines, and Shawn Kantor. 2005. "Births, Deaths, and New Deal Relief During the Great Depression."
How many people in the US starved to death during the Great Depression?

How many social programs were established?

 

[danielpalos]

BTW....not only did FDR turn a recession into a depression that lasted five times longer than any other such downturn....

....but he increased unemployment.


Here is an interesting visual: imagine a triple line of the unemployed, three across, consisting of those unemployed under Hoover, in 1931. The line would have gone from Los Angeles, across the country, to the border of Maine.

What effect did Roosevelt have on the line?

Well, eight years later, in 1939, the length of the line would have gone further, from the Maine border, south to Boston, then on to New York City, then to Philadelphia, on to Washington, D.C.- and finally, into Virginia.
Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal"


Think Folsom was wrong?

Check it out at the US Bureau of the Census, 'Historical Statistics of the United States: Colonial Times to 1970, I-126 and Unemployment Statistics during the Great Depression

I think we used to have a third world economy before FDR.

 

[danielpalos]

The Great Depression and our great Recession was caused by scamming bankers, wall street, & people in high places of power, the signs were there well be for 1929, same with the Recession, methods to fix the mess, being both good, bad, &varied, as usual we are never prepared even when we know its coming.

You moron.....ever hear of this?

After the depression [1920-1921] the United States proceeded to enjoy the “Roaring Twenties,” arguably the most prosperous decade in the country’s history. Some of this prosperity was illusory—itself the result of subsequent Fed inflation—but nonetheless the 1920–1921 depression “purged the rottenness out of the system” and provided a solid framework for sustainable growth."

The conclusion seems obvious to anyone whose mind is not firmly locked into the Keynesian or monetarist framework: The free market works.
The Depression You’ve Never Heard Of: 1920-1921 | The Freeman | Ideas On Liberty


The 1920s were an age of dramatic social and political change. For the first time, more Americans lived in cities than on farms. The nation’s total wealth more than doubled between 1920 and 1929, and this economic growth swept many Americans into an affluent but unfamiliar “consumer society.” The Roaring Twenties - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

The 1920s earned their moniker—the "Roaring Twenties"—through the decade's real and sustained prosperity, dizzying technological advancements, and lively culture. The decade marked the flourishing of the modern mass-production, mass-consumption economy, which delivered fantastic profits to investors while also raising the living standard of the urban middle- and working-class. Economy in The 1920s

A tide of economic and social change swept across the country in the 1920s. Nicknames for the decade, such as “the Jazz Age” or “the Roaring Twenties,” convey something of the excitement and the changes in social conventions that were taking place at the time. As the economy boomed, wages rose for most Americans and prices fell, resulting in a higher standard of living and a dramatic increase in consumer consumption.... The American economy's phenomenal growth rate during the '20s...." A New Society: Economic & Social Change


Causes of the Depression
1. The actions of the federal reserve

2. The sky-high Smoot-Hawley Tariff

3. The actions of Hoover that were continued by Roosevelt....after he promised to do the opposite!

4. And, mainly, the abject ineptitude of Roosevelt....who wanted the crisis to continue.

a. In 1935, the Brookings Institution (left-leaning) delivered a 900-page report on the New Deal and the National Recovery Administration, concluding that “ on the whole it retarded recovery.”
article • AEI

All of that happened after WWI. It may not have been that way, but for that previous mobilization and Arms Race.

 

[Wry Catcher]

For the most part, when it comes to communism, Socialism, and every iteration thereof, Leftists cannot see or recognize any iniquity.
And that extends to refusing to admit the success of the economic and political thesis known as conservatism.


One Liberal wrote this in a recent article in the WSJ:

"It is time to admit that American liberalism is in deep crisis: a crisis of imagination and ambition on our side, a crisis of attachment and trust on the side of the wider public.
Ronald Reagan almost single-handedly destroyed the New Deal vision of America that used to guide us."
The Liberal Crackup


Let's go over the reasons for this.

They...Liberals, Democrats, Socialists, Marxists.... so very much want communism to be correct and successful, that the Left's pundits both ignore the truth, and lie about it.


1. "...Western leftists [suffered from] an intellectual disability when they gazed upon the Soviet Union....they failed to notice the transformation of their own...economies by Reaganism....

Almost all the intellectual energy of ....leftists was spent in attempting to demonstrate the failure of [Reagan's] policies by criteria that were short-term, parochial, and irrelevant to the dramatic character of the economic changes that [Reagan's policies produced]."
John O'sullivan, "The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister: Three Who Changed the World," p.257-258



2. One cannot help but laugh when reading the prognostications, predictions, pronouncements from one Leftist after another.... John Kenneth Galbraith, Lester Thurow, Paul Samuelson, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Seweryn Bialer, Strobe Talbott.....one after another praising the success of the USSR, and claiming how tales of impending demise were simply untrue.

And this....right up to a year before the Soviet collapse!!!


Yet....these are the 'experts' taught to this day in our universities.....and the real expert, Ronald Reagan....despised in those precincts.




3. The 'dupes' were still viewing Potemkin Villages.
A dupe is one who is easily deceived or fooled. As far back as Washington’s Farewell Address, we find the warning against dupes: “Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

In the early years after the Bolshevik Revolution, the communists used manipulations, such as the Potemkin Villages, to persuade the world how admirable and successful the revolution had been. One technique was to invite prominent American and British leftists to take carefully planned tours. And these ‘Potemkin Progressives,’ for the most part, behaved and thought just as they were meant to. Lenin, and then Stalin, carefully arranged the tours so that these progressives would then go back to their countries and praise Soviet Russia, and tell of the amazing success of communism. See Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century



For dupes such as these 'Potemkin Progressives'.... John Kenneth Galbraith, Lester Thurow, Paul Samuelson, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Seweryn Bialer, Strobe Talbott...trips to Potemkin Villages wasn't necessary. Long after Franklin Roosevelt has sworn that Communist Russia was what we should honor, and hope to be, they continued to carry that banner.



Imagine how quickly any college course telling the truth about the Soviet Union, or revealing the success of Reagan's economic policies...

...would be shut down.

Blinders on the left?????
What's taking place in Virginia is a reflection of the trump administration. People like, Bannon, Miller and Trump as well, have emboldened and have fed into the hate. And what these racist fascist people don't understand, is they're supporting or honoring treason. In their twisted minds, they think they're being patriotic, when in reality they are just terrorists.

Do you want to talk about treason? Hmmm, do you?

then lets talk about Benghazi
lets talk about 30,000 deleted e-mails
lets talk about a deal to give Russia 20% of our uranium
lets talks Bubba Clinton's speaking fees in Russia
lets talk about Lynch and Bubba's meeting on the tarmac
lets talk about the DNC and the media collaborating to give questions to Hillary
lets talk about how Harry Reid became a multi millionaire while "serving" in the senate
lets talk about wasserman Schultz and national security
lets talk about Comey and Lynch scheming to call the Hillary investigation a "matter"

you libs have no high ground here, your people are as dirty as they come

You need a tin foil hat lined with lead.

In other words you don't want to talk about any treasonous acts committed by dems and libs. Got it.

If you just want to exchange insults, I am not interested because I have facts on my side and I am better at it than you are.

Let's discuss treason and sedition. Begin by providing evidence that anything in the list meets the bar for culpability by either HRC or Obama. Which one committed a crime? You claim to have facts, I claim your facts are only echoes of right wing memes.

Then I will point out the number, and there have been several, tweets by Trump which are seditious, and may result in his impeachment for obstruction of justice.

 

[PoliticalChic]

For the most part, when it comes to communism, Socialism, and every iteration thereof, Leftists cannot see or recognize any iniquity.
And that extends to refusing to admit the success of the economic and political thesis known as conservatism.


One Liberal wrote this in a recent article in the WSJ:

"It is time to admit that American liberalism is in deep crisis: a crisis of imagination and ambition on our side, a crisis of attachment and trust on the side of the wider public.
Ronald Reagan almost single-handedly destroyed the New Deal vision of America that used to guide us."
The Liberal Crackup


Let's go over the reasons for this.

They...Liberals, Democrats, Socialists, Marxists.... so very much want communism to be correct and successful, that the Left's pundits both ignore the truth, and lie about it.


1. "...Western leftists [suffered from] an intellectual disability when they gazed upon the Soviet Union....they failed to notice the transformation of their own...economies by Reaganism....

Almost all the intellectual energy of ....leftists was spent in attempting to demonstrate the failure of [Reagan's] policies by criteria that were short-term, parochial, and irrelevant to the dramatic character of the economic changes that [Reagan's policies produced]."
John O'sullivan, "The President, the Pope, and the Prime Minister: Three Who Changed the World," p.257-258



2. One cannot help but laugh when reading the prognostications, predictions, pronouncements from one Leftist after another.... John Kenneth Galbraith, Lester Thurow, Paul Samuelson, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Seweryn Bialer, Strobe Talbott.....one after another praising the success of the USSR, and claiming how tales of impending demise were simply untrue.

And this....right up to a year before the Soviet collapse!!!


Yet....these are the 'experts' taught to this day in our universities.....and the real expert, Ronald Reagan....despised in those precincts.




3. The 'dupes' were still viewing Potemkin Villages.
A dupe is one who is easily deceived or fooled. As far back as Washington’s Farewell Address, we find the warning against dupes: “Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

In the early years after the Bolshevik Revolution, the communists used manipulations, such as the Potemkin Villages, to persuade the world how admirable and successful the revolution had been. One technique was to invite prominent American and British leftists to take carefully planned tours. And these ‘Potemkin Progressives,’ for the most part, behaved and thought just as they were meant to. Lenin, and then Stalin, carefully arranged the tours so that these progressives would then go back to their countries and praise Soviet Russia, and tell of the amazing success of communism. See Dr. Paul Kengor, Hoover Institution, Stanford “DUPES: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century



For dupes such as these 'Potemkin Progressives'.... John Kenneth Galbraith, Lester Thurow, Paul Samuelson, Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Seweryn Bialer, Strobe Talbott...trips to Potemkin Villages wasn't necessary. Long after Franklin Roosevelt has sworn that Communist Russia was what we should honor, and hope to be, they continued to carry that banner.



Imagine how quickly any college course telling the truth about the Soviet Union, or revealing the success of Reagan's economic policies...

...would be shut down.

Blinders on the left?????
What's taking place in Virginia is a reflection of the trump administration. People like, Bannon, Miller and Trump as well, have emboldened and have fed into the hate. And what these racist fascist people don't understand, is they're supporting or honoring treason. In their twisted minds, they think they're being patriotic, when in reality they are just terrorists.

Do you want to talk about treason? Hmmm, do you?

then lets talk about Benghazi
lets talk about 30,000 deleted e-mails
lets talk about a deal to give Russia 20% of our uranium
lets talks Bubba Clinton's speaking fees in Russia
lets talk about Lynch and Bubba's meeting on the tarmac
lets talk about the DNC and the media collaborating to give questions to Hillary
lets talk about how Harry Reid became a multi millionaire while "serving" in the senate
lets talk about wasserman Schultz and national security
lets talk about Comey and Lynch scheming to call the Hillary investigation a "matter"

you libs have no high ground here, your people are as dirty as they come

You need a tin foil hat lined with lead.

In other words you don't want to talk about any treasonous acts committed by dems and libs. Got it.

If you just want to exchange insults, I am not interested because I have facts on my side and I am better at it than you are.

Let's discuss treason and sedition. Begin by providing evidence that anything in the list meets the bar for culpability by either HRC or Obama. Which one committed a crime? You claim to have facts, I claim your facts are only echoes of right wing memes.

Then I will point out the number, and there have been several, tweets by Trump which are seditious, and may result in his impeachment for obstruction of justice.

Just a few (25) of the scandals, lies, and criminal activity of Hillary Clinton.




1. Travelgate: After their election, the Clintons fired the White House Travel Office...which had served 7 administrations, and turned it over to their pals. As part of this, they brought bogus corruption charges against the civil servants therein.

The individuals were cleared on all counts.

The Independent Council found that Hillary lied when she claimed she wasn't behind the scam. “The overwhelming evidence establishes that she played a role in the decision to fire the employees. … Thus, her statement to the contrary under oath was factually false.”


a. " Hillary described Travelgate with cool indifference as, “perhaps worthy of a two-or-three-week life span, instead, in a partisan political climate, it became the first manifestation of an obsession for investigation that persisted into the millennium.” But for Billy Dale, it wasn’t a partisan manifestation. It was the termination of a thirty-plus-year career, and a fight for his freedom. If convicted, he faced a maximum of twenty years in prison and up to $500,000 in fines.”

Read more: How Hillary Clinton sicced the FBI on the White House travel office

b. For you or I that would mean a perjury charge and criminal record for trying to destroy an innocent American who had served honorably under eight administrations and lying about it. For Hillary it meant a future as the junior New York Senator and then President Barack Obama’s Secretary of State." Ibid.

2. @ 0:58 Hillary's pal Vince Foster was involved in several of the Clinton scandals. When he was found dead: was that why Hillary had Foster's files ransacked before investigators could view them?

WASHINGTON, July 26— A Secret Service officer today flatly contradicted the White House account of the night of Vincent W. Foster Jr.'s death, telling the Senate Whitewater panel that he had seen Hillary Rodham Clinton's top aide remove files from Mr. Foster's office. The aide vehemently denied doing it.

Testifying under oath before the special Senate committee investigating Whitewater, the officer, Henry P. O'Neill, said that on July 20, 1993, several hours after Mr. Foster's body was found in a Virginia park, he saw Mrs. Clinton's chief of staff, Margaret A. Williams, carrying two handfuls of folders from Mr. Foster's office." 2 Conflicting Accounts on Files From White House Aide's Office

3. @ 1:47 To see how a President Hillary would 'rule,' take a look at her methods when Bill put her in charge of the earlier attempt at a take-over of healthcare: " WASHINGTON, Dec. 1— A Federal district judge said today that he intended to impose sanctions on Clinton Administration officials for their "misconduct" in a court case involving the disclosure of documents from Hillary Rodham Clinton's task force on health care..... "The court understands plaintiffs' frustration with the defendants' misconduct during the course of this litigation, and the court intends to impose sanctions." Misconduct Found on Clinton Health Plan

The Kremlin would be proud!

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4. @4:07 Whitewater....15 Clinton pals were convicted of 40 federal crimes.

5. @4:35 Cattlegate...."... computerized records of her trades, which the White House obtained from the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, show for the first time how she was able to turn her initial investment into $6,300 overnight. In about 10 months of trading, she made nearly $100,000, relying heavily on advice from her friend James B. Blair, an experienced futures trader.

The new records also raise the possibility that some of her profits -- as much as $40,000 – came from larger trades ordered by someone else and then shifted to her account,...." http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpsrv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr940527.htm

a. "....guided through the risky trades by James Blair, a friend and top lawyer for one of Arkansas' most powerful companies, Tyson Foods Inc." Business | Hillary Clinton Invested $1,000, Netted $100,000 Through Trading | Seattle Times Newspaper

b. "....Tyson was everything shed been taught to despise at Wellesley and Yale, a greedy capitalist who hated labor unions and had no compunction about polluting Mother Earth for financial gain. Yet she allowed Blair, Big Daddys right-hand man, to manage her financial affairs. Second, assuming the speculation in Marshalls Magazine is correct, she was the conduit for a bribe." Democrook: Hillary Clinton

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6. @5:38 Raw naked power: Filegate. The Clintons illegally obtained FBI files on potential political enemies. "... in 1996 when it was discovered that the Clinton White House illegally obtained FBI files on adversaries, and used them to smear them, continues to this day. Strangely, although Mrs. Clinton is the principal defendant, and although there is sworn testimony, obtained during earlier discovery that Mrs. Clinton was the mastermind of this illegal scheme, the Court has never granted Plaintiffs requests to depose her —.... civil lawsuit which seeks to hold her accountable for illegally violating the privacy rights of American citizens she and her husband Bill Clinton viewed as political adversaries during their administration in the 1990s." Hillary Clinton tries to escape from on-going Filegate case

a. "It was also during this Filegate case that it was learned that President Clinton, on the advice of his top political adviser, James Carville, had illegally released Privacy Act protected information from White House files to smear Kathleen Willey, a woman who was a material witness in the impeachment proceedings, as she was also sexually harassed by the “philanderer in chief” while working for him in the White House."
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/proof-hillary-isnt-fit-to-be-president/#sdOkMsPFKtC3oQzH.99

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7. @ 6:35 Chinagate. Foreign countries funneled millions into Clinton's campaign. ".... Hillary then masterminded a scheme whereby the Clinton-Gore presidential campaign of 1996 took bribes from communist Chinese banks and their government to bankroll the president’s and the Democratic Party’s re-election efforts ."
Proof Hillary isn’t fit to be president

a. "When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, Chinese missiles were greatly limited in terms of their range and accuracy. But as journalist Richard Poe noted in 2003, “Thanks to Bill Clinton, China can now hit any city in the USA, using state-of-the-art, solid-fueled missiles with dead-accurate, computerized guidance systems and multiple warheads.”.... "'We like your president. We want to see him reelected,' former Chinese intelligence chief General Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung.

"Indeed, Chinese intelligence organized a massive covert operation aimed at tilting the 1996 election Clinton’s way.

"Clinton’s top campaign contributors for 1992 were Chinese agents; his top donors in 1996 were U.S. defense contractors selling missile technology to China.

"Clinton recieved funding directly from known or suspected Chinese intelligence agents, among them James and Mochtar Riady who own the Indonesian Lippo Group; John Huang; Charlie Trie; Ted Sioeng; Maria Hsia; Wang Jun and others." http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=644

b. "Agents for the Chinese government and military funneled millions into President Clinton’s re-election campaign, the Clinton Legal Defense Fund and the DNC.

The DOJ reported “A pattern of events suggests a level of knowledge within the White House–including the President’s and First Lady’s offices–concerning the injection of foreign funds into the reelection effort.” http://lybio.net/tag/hillary-clinton-a-career-criminal-video/

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8. @6:35 ChinaGate Against campaign finance law, China donated to Bill Clinton's campaign so as to influence US policies. Agents for the Chinese government, and the military, funneled millions into Clinton's campaign.

DoJ: ...knowledge within the President's and First Lady's Offices...concerning the injection of foreign funds in the reelection effort.

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9. @7:10 Using the IRS against political enemies....a Democrat tactic. A senior IRS official admitted that Clinton opponents were singled out for audit....including Bill Clinton's female accusers.

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10. @ 7:45 PardonGate He issued pardons to 450 individuals including cocaine traffickers, terrorists and kidnappers. Several pardons directly benefitted Hillary Clinton, with ties to her NYSenate bid. Marc Rich was actually a fugitive on the run at the time...on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List....while his wife donated thousands to Hillary Clinton's Senate Campaign, the Clinton Legal Defense Fund and the DNC.

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11. @12:00 As Senator....introduced three minor bills which became law in seven years. That includes naming a post office.

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12. @12:33 Enthusiastically voted for the Iraq War

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13. @13:10 "....prosecutors revealed Monday that the mastermind of Mayor Vincent C. Gray’s “shadow campaign” also funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars to aid Mrs. Clinton’s bid for the White House.

Jeffrey E. Thompson’s scheme included diverting more than $608,000 in illicit funds to a New York marketing executive, Troy White, who organized “street teams” to raise Mrs. Clinton’s visibility in urban areas during her Democratic primary battle against Barack Obama.

.....from February to May 2008, Thompson used two firms to disburse $608,750 in “excessive and unreported contributions to pay for campaign services in coordination with and in support of a federal political candidate for president of the United States and the federal and the candidate’s authorized committee.” That candidate was Mrs. Clinton." http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/10/hillary-clinton-campaign-received-funds-jeffrey-th/

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14. @ 13:39 " State Department spokeswoman can't name Hillary Clinton's diplomatic achievements ... and neither can Hillary Clinton!
· Jen Psaki, the State Department's chief spokesperson, seemed blindsided by a question about Clinton's accomplishments

· A CNN panel erupted into laughter when Psaki's gaffe was shown

· Clinton herself couldn't articulate what she was 'most proud of' during her time as America's top diplomat when asked just weeks ago

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ts-neither-Hillary-Clinton.html#ixzz4B04XlE93

Not one achievement in her 4years collecting a salary from the taxpayers.
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15. @ 14:33 " The State Department misplaced and lost some $6 billion due to the improper filing of contracts during the past six years, mainly during the tenure of former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, according to a newly released Inspector General report." http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/4/state-dept-misplaced-6b-under-hillary-clinton-ig-r/

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16. @ 14:48 " Hillary's State Department Refused to Brand Boko Haram as Terrorists" http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...efused-to-brand-boko-haram-as-terrorists.html
Even though FBI, DoJ and CIA had requested it, so they could pursue group.Result was kidnapping of 300 Nigerian school girls.
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17. @ 14:58 A special investigator for the State Department found that with Hillary in charge, the following investigations were blocked or called off:
a) Sexual assaults by state dept security officials in Beirut
b) "Endemic" use of prostitutes by Hillary's security detail
c.) Drug use by state dept contractors in Baghdad
d) Solicitation of child male prostitutes by US ambassador in Belgium
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18. @16:10 Benghazi cover-up
Hillary testified that she had submitted all documents related to the inquiry. 20 months later....41 new documents were found....including changes to Susan Rice's talking points.
More documents are being withheld.
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19. "State Dept. Promises to Release Clinton Emails on Day That Literally Doesn’t Exist" http://lawnewz.com/columnists/state...on-emails-on-day-that-literally-doesnt-exist/
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20. This, from the Mexican paper...the NYTimes:

"In April 2012, representatives from Qatar were apparently hoping to get “five minutes” with former President Bill Clinton while in New York to present him with a $1 million check for his foundation as a birthday gift from the previous year.


While it is unclear whether that meeting ever took place, the offer,mentioned in one of thousands of hacked Clinton campaign emailsreleased by WikiLeaks last week, was an example of the complex ethical issues the Clinton Foundation faced in managing relationships with foreign governments when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state. It also raised questions about whether the foundation had fully followed procedures it had voluntarily agreed to in order to avoid those very issues."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/us/politics/wikileaks-bill-clinton-foundation.html

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. I'd be remiss to post only Ronald Reagan's amazing successes in domestic policy.....

...how does the other side do, the folks who use force and coercion to keep the collective in line...this:

" the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech."





...how did Obama's collectivist/socialist program work out for the economy?

"Obama is the first President never to have had a year of 3% or better economic growth: "... annual growth during Obama’s “recovery” has never topped 3%. By comparison, it never fell below 3% during the Reagan recovery. And in the nine years following the 1990-91 recession, GDP grew faster than 3% in all but two. Heck, even Jimmy Carter had some strong growth years." President Obama's Growth Gap Hits $1.31 Trillion | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

a. "The years since 2007 have been a macroeconomic disaster for the United States of a magnitude unprecedented since the Great Depression."
Obama: Always Wrong, Never In Doubt

b. ".... [Obama was the] first president since Hoover to never have a single year above 3% GDP growth."
Obama economy is 'amazing,' says hedge fund billionaire


FDR, of course, (in)famously extended the Depression into a decade long debacle.



Should FDR/Obama and the collectivists haveknown how to do better for the economy?

You betcha,' they should have.

 

[eddiew37]

6. I'd be remiss to post only Ronald Reagan's amazing successes in domestic policy.....

...how does the other side do, the folks who use force and coercion to keep the collective in line...this:

" the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech."





...how did Obama's collectivist/socialist program work out for the economy?

"Obama is the first President never to have had a year of 3% or better economic growth: "... annual growth during Obama’s “recovery” has never topped 3%. By comparison, it never fell below 3% during the Reagan recovery. And in the nine years following the 1990-91 recession, GDP grew faster than 3% in all but two. Heck, even Jimmy Carter had some strong growth years." President Obama's Growth Gap Hits $1.31 Trillion | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

a. "The years since 2007 have been a macroeconomic disaster for the United States of a magnitude unprecedented since the Great Depression."
Obama: Always Wrong, Never In Doubt

b. ".... [Obama was the] first president since Hoover to never have a single year above 3% GDP growth."
Obama economy is 'amazing,' says hedge fund billionaire


FDR, of course, (in)famously extended the Depression into a decade long debacle.



Should FDR/Obama and the collectivists haveknown how to do better for the economy?

You betcha,' they should have.

yes and Obama had soooooo much help from replicants ,,who pulled him down with every chance they got

 

[Kosh]

Ronald Reagan almost single-handedly destroyed the New Deal vision of America that used to guide us."
The Liberal Crackup


.

No, actually Ronald Reagan almost singlehandedly saved Social Security for 75 years,

yes, THAT Social Security, one of FDR's most significant achievements.

And the far left drones like you want to keep putting IOU's in FDR's achievement, muck like how you drones love FDR for locking up Americans..

 

[eddiew37]

GOD save you chic
David Duke, a former KKK leader who supported Trump during the campaign and attended the Charlottesville rally today, argued that the rally was going to help "fulfill the promises" of Trump.

"This represents a turning point for the people of this country. We are determined to take our country back," Duke said. "We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That's what we believed in. That's why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he's going to take our country back
David Duke, a former KKK leader who supported Trump during the campaign and attended the Charlottesville rally today, argued that the rally was going to help "fulfill the promises" of Trump.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. I'd be remiss to post only Ronald Reagan's amazing successes in domestic policy.....

...how does the other side do, the folks who use force and coercion to keep the collective in line...this:

" the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech."





...how did Obama's collectivist/socialist program work out for the economy?

"Obama is the first President never to have had a year of 3% or better economic growth: "... annual growth during Obama’s “recovery” has never topped 3%. By comparison, it never fell below 3% during the Reagan recovery. And in the nine years following the 1990-91 recession, GDP grew faster than 3% in all but two. Heck, even Jimmy Carter had some strong growth years." President Obama's Growth Gap Hits $1.31 Trillion | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

a. "The years since 2007 have been a macroeconomic disaster for the United States of a magnitude unprecedented since the Great Depression."
Obama: Always Wrong, Never In Doubt

b. ".... [Obama was the] first president since Hoover to never have a single year above 3% GDP growth."
Obama economy is 'amazing,' says hedge fund billionaire


FDR, of course, (in)famously extended the Depression into a decade long debacle.



Should FDR/Obama and the collectivists haveknown how to do better for the economy?

You betcha,' they should have.

yes and Obama had soooooo much help from replicants ,,who pulled him down with every chance they got

If you saw a politician with no experience, a father who stated that 100% taxation was acceptable, and refused to negotiate with the other side.....

.....what would be the problem with resisting him at every opportunity???


In case you truly don't understand the divide.....

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.



Which do you choose?

 

[PoliticalChic]

GOD save you chic
David Duke, a former KKK leader who supported Trump during the campaign and attended the Charlottesville rally today, argued that the rally was going to help "fulfill the promises" of Trump.

"This represents a turning point for the people of this country. We are determined to take our country back," Duke said. "We are going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump. That's what we believed in. That's why we voted for Donald Trump, because he said he's going to take our country back
David Duke, a former KKK leader who supported Trump during the campaign and attended the Charlottesville rally today, argued that the rally was going to help "fulfill the promises" of Trump.

This David Duke, Democrat?

State Senator, 1975 (Baton Rouge Area)[edit]
Threshold > 50%

First Ballot, November 1, 1975

Louisiana State Senate, 1975
Party Candidate Votes %
Democratic Kenneth Osterberger 22,287 66
Democratic David Duke 11,079 33
N/A Others 1
Total 100
State Senator, 10th District, 1979 (Suburban New Orleans)[edit]
Threshold > 50% First Ballot, October 27, 1979

Louisiana State Senate, 10th District, 1979
Party Candidate Votes %
Democratic Joseph Tiemann 21,329 57
Democratic David Duke 9,897 26
N/A Others 6,459 17
Total 37,685 100
Democratic Nomination for United States Presidential Candidate, 1988 (Louisiana results)[edit]
Threshold = Plurality

1988 Democratic Presidential primary in Louisiana
Party Candidate Votes %
Democratic Jesse Jackson 221,522 35
Democratic Al Gore 174,971 28
Democratic Michael Dukakis 95,661 15
Democratic Dick Gephardt 67,029 11
Democratic Gary Hart 26,437 4
Democratic David Duke 23,391 4
Democratic Others 16,008 3
Total 625,019 100
Electoral history of David Duke - Wikipedia






"In 1979, after his first, abortive run for president (as a Democrat) and a series of highly publicized violent Klan incidents, Duke quietly incorporated the nonprofit National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP) in an attempt to leave the baggage of the Klan behind."
David Duke - Wikipedia



Of course, Trump was never a racist....but the personification of your party, Bill Clinton, has been a life-long racist.
But he's your guy, huh?

 

[eddiew37]

6. I'd be remiss to post only Ronald Reagan's amazing successes in domestic policy.....

...how does the other side do, the folks who use force and coercion to keep the collective in line...this:

" the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech."





...how did Obama's collectivist/socialist program work out for the economy?

"Obama is the first President never to have had a year of 3% or better economic growth: "... annual growth during Obama’s “recovery” has never topped 3%. By comparison, it never fell below 3% during the Reagan recovery. And in the nine years following the 1990-91 recession, GDP grew faster than 3% in all but two. Heck, even Jimmy Carter had some strong growth years." President Obama's Growth Gap Hits $1.31 Trillion | Stock News & Stock Market Analysis - IBD

a. "The years since 2007 have been a macroeconomic disaster for the United States of a magnitude unprecedented since the Great Depression."
Obama: Always Wrong, Never In Doubt

b. ".... [Obama was the] first president since Hoover to never have a single year above 3% GDP growth."
Obama economy is 'amazing,' says hedge fund billionaire


FDR, of course, (in)famously extended the Depression into a decade long debacle.



Should FDR/Obama and the collectivists haveknown how to do better for the economy?

You betcha,' they should have.

yes and Obama had soooooo much help from replicants ,,who pulled him down with every chance they got

If you saw a politician with no experience, a father who stated that 100% taxation was acceptable, and refused to negotiate with the other side.....

.....what would be the problem with resisting him at every opportunity???


In case you truly don't understand the divide.....

a. individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.


or


b. the collective, command and control regulation of private industry, and overarching government that can order every aspect of the private citizen's life....right down to control of his thoughts and speech.



Which do you choose?

certainly not b......