Zone1 The biggest difference between Catholicism and Protestantism.

[Donald H]

Did you read the link? Your strawman is a modern dogma of creationists as in recent. Keep beating that dead horse, it's not going to change the fact that you are an idiot to pretend that creationists existed for thousands of years when they didn't.

Some of them get too smart for their own beliefs. They turn to alternative beliefs that are manufactured by their chuches specifically for them.

 

[ding]

Some of them get too smart for their own beliefs. They turn to alternative beliefs that are manufactured by their chuches specifically for them.

That doesn't sound like you are disavowing your idiotic belief that creationism is an old belief rather than a modern belief.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Jesus worked through his chosen Apostles as a special priesthood, who then, in their turn chose others to become part of this special priesthood, handed down to our time, trained in scripture and Apostolic tradition.

You are think Christ can be defeated by this or any sin? Catholics see Christ as the one who takes away the sin of the world, not the one who is defeated by sin. Interesting, too, you only see the sin but are blind to work Catholics have done and are doing to extinguish this sin, not only in the Church, but in society. Ever see how Catholic children are being reimbursed when abused by a priest while most of the rest of society's children never receive a dime from those who abused them?

Jesus worked, and the disciples watched and learned. Jesus didn't need them in order to work. It was after His death, that they were empowered by the Holy Spirit, and began to work for Christ's sake.

I think nothing can defeat Christ. For you to suggest I think otherwise is insulting, nor am I blind.
Non-Catholics also see Jesus as the one who takes away the sins of the world.

What is interesting is that when it is applicable, I see sin and repentance. < A turning away from the sin.
That is not what is happening in the Catholic Church. Rampant pedophilia is one of the main reasons Luther was compelled to reveal the CC's immoral issues and leave it. And it has increased, not decreased, since then.
You can't "reimburse" a child for being sexually abused by someone they trusted. You pay them off to make the problem go away. < It has literally cost the Catholic Church billions. And the priest is quietly moved to the next church with children in it.

 

[Meriweather]

That is not what is happening in the Catholic Church.

And you wonder why I suggest that you see sin as defeating Christ.

 

[The Irish Ram]

And you wonder why I suggest that you see sin as defeating Christ.

Christ defeats sin. That is what I see. Glad we've cleared that up.

There is a difference between committing a sin, and practicing sin. I wonder what Luther would think after he found out that the Catholic Church today not only did not repent and turn away from pedophilia, but has spent billions of dollars to silence their victims. What do you think Jesus thinks about it?

 

[Meriweather]

Christ defeats sin. That is what I see. Glad we've cleared that up.

There is a difference between committing a sin, and practicing sin. I wonder what Luther would think after he found out that the Catholic Church today not only did not repent and turn away from pedophilia, but has spent billions of dollars to silence their victims. What do you think Jesus thinks about it?

You do realize you just contradicted yourself again.

 

[hobelim]

Catholics believe they have the authority to change the meaning of scripture.
Protestants do not claim such authority.

Seriously?

Catholic, Protestant, whats the difference?


They both worship a mangod, solemnly celebrate his "sacrificial death" and are bat shit crazy.

 

[The Irish Ram]

You do realize you just contradicted yourself again.

No. You are assuming Christ is in the Vatican. When you consider how Christ feels about children, the fact that each one has its own angel:
Matthew 18:10 See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father, who is in heaven.

And the fact that God turns His back on sin, what makes you think that Christ has anything to do with the Vatican? This has been a persistent problem within the church throughout the ages. That does not earn God's Seal of Approval.

What I see is Christ in individuals who are born and raised in the Catholic faith, that love Jesus, and live their lives accordingly. I don't think God holds their church's hierarchy against them. Or anyone else's church's leaders for that matter. God judges the heart...

 

[Cougarbear]

Catholics believe they have the authority to change the meaning of scripture.
Protestants do not claim such authority. From there comes most of the other differences.

If you browse all the different Protestant bibles, you see many changes based on one church’s teaching and understanding.

 

[Woodznutz]

If you browse all the different Protestant bibles, you see many changes based on one church’s teaching and understanding.

Most of the changes derive from newer versions that update the language. Some provide clarity, others not.

 

[Meriweather]

No. You are assuming Christ is in the Vatican. When you consider how Christ feels about children, the fact that each one has its own angel:
Matthew 18:10 See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven their angels always see the face of my Father, who is in heaven.

And the fact that God turns His back on sin, what makes you think that Christ has anything to do with the Vatican? This has been a persistent problem within the church throughout the ages. That does not earn God's Seal of Approval.

What I see is Christ in individuals who are born and raised in the Catholic faith, that love Jesus, and live their lives accordingly. I don't think God holds their church's hierarchy against them. Or anyone else's church's leaders for that matter. God judges the heart...

The assumption is on your part that Christ is not in the Vatican. Christ tells us where two or three are gathered in his name, he is present as well.

Next, since the fall, mankind has existed in a broken state and God has been our shepherd. You are seeing the Vatican as a lost sheep, and you are declaring Christ will not go after this particular lost sheep. In fact you hasten to declare that Jesus turns his back on what is clearly his.

 

[Cougarbear]

Most of the changes derive from newer versions that update the language. Some provide clarity, others not.

Well, clarity to you and your members. But, not for everyone. The Bible is not for private interpretation only. So, your interpretation of the scriptures and why they mean may not be the same as mine. I may read a text and have a different meaning than you do. It would show if we were to both clarify our understanding in the words we write. And, both may be true at the same time. Take John 10:16, this says Jesus has other sheep which are not of this fold. Them I must also bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. That may mean something different to me because of my advanced knowledge and spiritual understanding of the Plan of God. I understand fold in this context as Judah. You many say Israel. Both can be right and I would not object. I would say that he will also take the word to the gentiles around the world. You may limit this to just Europe. I would not object because Europe is part of the world. But, I would say you are limited in your understanding of the world if you lived in those days. To me, this has even greater meaning because this supports the Church and Gospel being established in the Americas in which after he dies mentioned in subsequent verses, he will visit them personally. And, maybe other places in the world in which we don't currently have the records of like we do with the Book of Mormon. And. you may reject this supporting verse in John for the Book of Mormon. I rest my case.

 

[Woodznutz]

Well, clarity to you and your members. But, not for everyone. The Bible is not for private interpretation only. So, your interpretation of the scriptures and why they mean may not be the same as mine. I may read a text and have a different meaning than you do. It would show if we were to both clarify our understanding in the words we write. And, both may be true at the same time. Take John 10:16, this says Jesus has other sheep which are not of this fold. Them I must also bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. That may mean something different to me because of my advanced knowledge and spiritual understanding of the Plan of God. I understand fold in this context as Judah. You many say Israel. Both can be right and I would not object. I would say that he will also take the word to the gentiles around the world. You may limit this to just Europe. I would not object because Europe is part of the world. But, I would say you are limited in your understanding of the world if you lived in those days. To me, this has even greater meaning because this supports the Church and Gospel being established in the Americas in which after he dies mentioned in subsequent verses, he will visit them personally. And, maybe other places in the world in which we don't currently have the records of like we do with the Book of Mormon. And. you may reject this supporting verse in John for the Book of Mormon. I rest my case.

The context for John 10:16 is the entirety of John chapters 9 and 10. It reveals plainly who "this fold" is.

This fold: The Jews and others that became his disciples in and around Judea.

The other fold: The lost sheep of the house of Israel who God had driven to the north country, to whom he was "sent only".

I have no opinion regarding the Mormon church. To me they are just another Christian denomination.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Bible is not for private interpretation only.

I'm probably not the only one who has some private interpretations. When you study deeply you can come up with them. Human history as the "battle of the sexes" for example.

 

[Cougarbear]

I'm probably not the only one who has some private interpretations. When you study deeply you can come up with them. Human history as the "battle of the sexes" for example.

What battle? That’s a construct on the left.

 

[Woodznutz]

What battle? That’s a construct on the left.

"My wife wanted a cat.
I didn't want a cat.
So we compromised,
And got a cat."

 

[ding]

Seriously?

Catholic, Protestant, whats the difference?


They both worship a mangod, solemnly celebrate his "sacrificial death" and are bat shit crazy.

Life isn't fair. That's why sacrifices are necessary.

 

[hobelim]

Life isn't fair. That's why sacrifices are necessary.

So you are down with an innocent Jewish man, Jesus, being tortured and crucified as a "perfect human sacrifice" so you won't have to pay the penalty for your own sins, death, and can sin with impunity for life, (yay!), as long as you celebrate his death every other Sunday and high holiday and worship and eat him for spiritual life in the form of a lifeless matzo made by human hands even though it cannot see, hear, speak, or walk, has no spiritual life to give, and is not God?

What a guy! (As if you are not already dead and in hell for swallowing in such a reprehensible lie.)

I'm sure that sweet baby Jesus is very impressed by your genuine deep and abiding love for him.

I AM

 

[Donald H]

Life isn't fair. That's why sacrifices are necessary.

It's the human condition that you suggest isn't fair. If you disagree with that then you have to blame the god.

Early man likely to die soon after puberty, but now in Canada at least, we live past 80 on average!

 

[Donald H]

So you are down with an innocent Jewish man, Jesus, being crucified as a "perfect human sacrifice" so that you won't have to pay the penalty for your own sins, death, and can sin with impunity for life as long as you celebrate his death and eat him in the form of a lifeless matzo made by human hands, even though it cannot see hear speak or walk has no life and is not God?

What a guy! (As if you are not already dead and in hell for believing in such a reprehensible lie.)

I'm sure that sweet baby Jesus is very impressed by your genuine deep and abiding love for him.

I AM

You condemn every religion except Joo. Rational grownups just go one religion further.