The big question about life on other planets: 1000000000000000000000 planets in the universe

[bripat9643]

Jupiter is a gas giant and technically has no surface on which it's citizens and live.

A terrestrial planet the size of Jupiter would have a surface gravity many hundreds of time that of Earth, making it highly unlikely to evolve any citizens.

Also, because of the time contraction caused by the extreme gravity, any citizens that do evolve will come and go in the wink of a geological eye.

Maybe. That's based on our own solar system though and the laws that exist here. We don't know if these same laws exist everywhere in the universe.

Of course, we also don't know what full grown "human like" species might look like or how they would function under extremely different conditions.

A basic principle of science is that the same laws exist everywhere. It would be nonsensical if they didn't.

Except when geniuses declare that the universe created itself from nothing because nothing got bored one day and decided to turn nothing into the universe

Who created God?

That is not answerable from out current perspective, at the very least God must be defined before such a question can be ask. A better question is what created us, and I assure you that no sterile pond created the most sophisticated code in the universe our DNA. And do not babble that RNA created itself either because the mathematical probability of that is null

Wrong. The proposition that everything needs a creator is a logical contradiction. If God doesn't require a creator, then neither does the universe. Your failure to answer the question I asked shows that even you know that.

Creationism is absurd.

 

[bripat9643]

they are assuming those are planets, and they might be but we dont know for sure

If this is true then why not believe every point of light has people as smart as us circling them?

Well, it took nearly 4.5 billion years for our light bulb of sentience to wink on. That's about half the life of our star.

Hmmm, no, the Earth and the Sun are the same age. The universe is about 13 billion years old.

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

Everything in the universe is exactly the same age as matter can not be created thus it always was

If it always existed, then when did God create it?

You're spouting contradictions again.

 

[westwall]

And that too is inaccurate, our level of sentience is less than two million years old.

Yes, I know, which makes what i said accurate. It took almost half the life of the Sun for sentience to appear on one of its planets.

No, it took more than half. Real sentience doesn't begin till the Cambrian Period, 570 to 600 million years ago.

Before that it was jelly fish at best.

 

[progressive hunter]

If this is true then why not believe every point of light has people as smart as us circling them?

Well, it took nearly 4.5 billion years for our light bulb of sentience to wink on. That's about half the life of our star.

Hmmm, no, the Earth and the Sun are the same age. The universe is about 13 billion years old.

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

"A million years?" The Sun and the Earth are 4.5 billion years old. A million years is virtually an instant when measured against that. The Earth took a while to take it's final form, but that process began at the same time the Sun formed.

The Sun formed first, the planetary disc came later. How long it took for the disc to form planets is still open to conjecture.

I would love to see the proof of that,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

If this is true then why not believe every point of light has people as smart as us circling them?

Well, it took nearly 4.5 billion years for our light bulb of sentience to wink on. That's about half the life of our star.

Hmmm, no, the Earth and the Sun are the same age. The universe is about 13 billion years old.

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

Everything in the universe is exactly the same age as matter can not be created thus it always was

If it always existed, then when did God create it?

You're spouting contradictions again.

not if he created time at the same time he created matter and space,,,

 

[bripat9643]

If this is true then why not believe every point of light has people as smart as us circling them?

Well, it took nearly 4.5 billion years for our light bulb of sentience to wink on. That's about half the life of our star.

Hmmm, no, the Earth and the Sun are the same age. The universe is about 13 billion years old.

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

"A million years?" The Sun and the Earth are 4.5 billion years old. A million years is virtually an instant when measured against that. The Earth took a while to take it's final form, but that process began at the same time the Sun formed.

The Sun formed first, the planetary disc came later. How long it took for the disc to form planets is still open to conjecture.

The disk and the sun formed at the same time. However, it took more time for the disc to coalesce into planets.

 

[westwall]

Well, it took nearly 4.5 billion years for our light bulb of sentience to wink on. That's about half the life of our star.

Hmmm, no, the Earth and the Sun are the same age. The universe is about 13 billion years old.

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

"A million years?" The Sun and the Earth are 4.5 billion years old. A million years is virtually an instant when measured against that. The Earth took a while to take it's final form, but that process began at the same time the Sun formed.

The Sun formed first, the planetary disc came later. How long it took for the disc to form planets is still open to conjecture.

I would love to see the proof of that,,,

The Sun had to form first for our current theory of planetary formation to work.

 

[Frannie]

If this is true then why not believe every point of light has people as smart as us circling them?

Well, it took nearly 4.5 billion years for our light bulb of sentience to wink on. That's about half the life of our star.

Hmmm, no, the Earth and the Sun are the same age. The universe is about 13 billion years old.

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

Everything in the universe is exactly the same age as matter can not be created thus it always was

Wrong, the matter is the same age. But the form that matter takes is what we are talking about.

Now. Go away troll.

The material that your body is made of is exactly the same age as the universe...…..

Prove me wrong

Or go away troll

LOL

 

[bripat9643]

Well, it took nearly 4.5 billion years for our light bulb of sentience to wink on. That's about half the life of our star.

Hmmm, no, the Earth and the Sun are the same age. The universe is about 13 billion years old.

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

Everything in the universe is exactly the same age as matter can not be created thus it always was

If it always existed, then when did God create it?

You're spouting contradictions again.

not if he created time at the same time he created matter and space,,,

"At the same time" presumes that time already exists.

 

[progressive hunter]

Hmmm, no, the Earth and the Sun are the same age. The universe is about 13 billion years old.

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

"A million years?" The Sun and the Earth are 4.5 billion years old. A million years is virtually an instant when measured against that. The Earth took a while to take it's final form, but that process began at the same time the Sun formed.

The Sun formed first, the planetary disc came later. How long it took for the disc to form planets is still open to conjecture.

I would love to see the proof of that,,,

The Sun had to form first for our current theory of planetary formation to work.

so its a theory not fact,,,got it

you might want to add that into your answers because there are some that take what they see on the internet as fact

 

[Frannie]

Hmmm, no, the Earth and the Sun are the same age. The universe is about 13 billion years old.

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

"A million years?" The Sun and the Earth are 4.5 billion years old. A million years is virtually an instant when measured against that. The Earth took a while to take it's final form, but that process began at the same time the Sun formed.

The Sun formed first, the planetary disc came later. How long it took for the disc to form planets is still open to conjecture.

I would love to see the proof of that,,,

The Sun had to form first for our current theory of planetary formation to work.

What formed the sun?

 

[progressive hunter]

Hmmm, no, the Earth and the Sun are the same age. The universe is about 13 billion years old.

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

Everything in the universe is exactly the same age as matter can not be created thus it always was

If it always existed, then when did God create it?

You're spouting contradictions again.

not if he created time at the same time he created matter and space,,,

"At the same time" presumes that time already exists.

no it doesnt,,

which came first time, space or matter??

 

[bripat9643]

Well, it took nearly 4.5 billion years for our light bulb of sentience to wink on. That's about half the life of our star.

Hmmm, no, the Earth and the Sun are the same age. The universe is about 13 billion years old.

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

Everything in the universe is exactly the same age as matter can not be created thus it always was

Wrong, the matter is the same age. But the form that matter takes is what we are talking about.

Now. Go away troll.

The material that your body is made of is exactly the same age as the universe...…..

Prove me wrong

Or go away troll

LOL

That depends on how you define "The material that your body is made of." Are you only counting protons and neutrons, or are Carbon and Oxygen something different from Hydrogen?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No, it took more than half. Real sentience doesn't begin till the Cambrian Period, 570 to 600 million years ago.

Which would be about 4 billion years into the life of a star expected to "live" about 12 billion+ years. So...not more than half... Methinks we are talking past each other...

 

[bripat9643]

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

"A million years?" The Sun and the Earth are 4.5 billion years old. A million years is virtually an instant when measured against that. The Earth took a while to take it's final form, but that process began at the same time the Sun formed.

The Sun formed first, the planetary disc came later. How long it took for the disc to form planets is still open to conjecture.

I would love to see the proof of that,,,

The Sun had to form first for our current theory of planetary formation to work.

What formed the sun?

Gravity.

 

[Frannie]

Maybe. That's based on our own solar system though and the laws that exist here. We don't know if these same laws exist everywhere in the universe.

Of course, we also don't know what full grown "human like" species might look like or how they would function under extremely different conditions.

A basic principle of science is that the same laws exist everywhere. It would be nonsensical if they didn't.

Except when geniuses declare that the universe created itself from nothing because nothing got bored one day and decided to turn nothing into the universe

Who created God?

That is not answerable from out current perspective, at the very least God must be defined before such a question can be ask. A better question is what created us, and I assure you that no sterile pond created the most sophisticated code in the universe our DNA. And do not babble that RNA created itself either because the mathematical probability of that is null

Wrong. The proposition that everything needs a creator is a logical contradiction. If God doesn't require a creator, then neither does the universe. Your failure to answer the question I asked shows that even you know that.

Creationism is absurd.

No one has any idea what the universe is much less where it came from. This is why all the math that would explain what is observed in the universe fails as the math is not itself wrong but can not be applied to unknowns

 

[bripat9643]

The Sun predates the Earth by at least a million years.

Everything in the universe is exactly the same age as matter can not be created thus it always was

If it always existed, then when did God create it?

You're spouting contradictions again.

not if he created time at the same time he created matter and space,,,

"At the same time" presumes that time already exists.

no it doesnt,,

which came first time, space or matter??

We're discussing when time existed, not just space and matter.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

No one has any idea what the universe is much less where it came from.

No shit dummy, that's why we're trying to figure it out.

 

[Frannie]

"A million years?" The Sun and the Earth are 4.5 billion years old. A million years is virtually an instant when measured against that. The Earth took a while to take it's final form, but that process began at the same time the Sun formed.

The Sun formed first, the planetary disc came later. How long it took for the disc to form planets is still open to conjecture.

I would love to see the proof of that,,,

The Sun had to form first for our current theory of planetary formation to work.

What formed the sun?

Gravity.

What forms gravity without any sort of mass coalition to form the gravity

 

[bripat9643]

A basic principle of science is that the same laws exist everywhere. It would be nonsensical if they didn't.

Except when geniuses declare that the universe created itself from nothing because nothing got bored one day and decided to turn nothing into the universe

Who created God?

That is not answerable from out current perspective, at the very least God must be defined before such a question can be ask. A better question is what created us, and I assure you that no sterile pond created the most sophisticated code in the universe our DNA. And do not babble that RNA created itself either because the mathematical probability of that is null

Wrong. The proposition that everything needs a creator is a logical contradiction. If God doesn't require a creator, then neither does the universe. Your failure to answer the question I asked shows that even you know that.

Creationism is absurd.

No one has any idea what the universe is much less where it came from. This is why all the math that would explain what is observed in the universe fails as the math is not itself wrong but can not be applied to unknowns

There are so many things wrong with that, I don't know where to start.