The Big Lie is Bush Lied

[Rosotar]

I don't give a rats ass what libs say or rep or any of the charade. the players at the top of this game are all controlled and owned and ultimately work towards the same new world order agenda ,coke or Pepsi ,skull and bones bush or skull and bones Kerry its only the illusion of choice ,divide and conquer
the truth is they have tricked you all.... 911 was an inside job

I don't discount the conspiracy theories altogether red states but it's hard for them to get much traction.

You can't prove these theories any more than cons can prove their wingnut conspiracy theories about the "liberal" media.

It will probably wash out somewhere down the road in history whether or not the Bush administration was complicit if not actively involved in 9-11.

For the time being we have real, tangible, "provable" fish to fry in regards to this administration. I think it's more constructive to just stick to the facts.

When you think about it, anyone who could launch such a massive and complicated conspiracy is not likely to be careless enough to leave loose ends hanging out there to be discovered. The kind of conspiracy that you're talking about is almost "supernatural." I'm talking "Damien" from the omen shit. That's a pretty far stretch.

Given that these PNAC neocons that have been pulling George Bush's puppet strings from day one have been trying to get a president to invade Iraq ever since they wrote the first letter to Bill Clinton, it's not out of the question that they saw the attack coming and looked the other way because they knew it would give them a blank check to finally accomplish their objective. For the time being though that's water under the bridge.

They were wrong on everything. Now we need to stay focused on the ways that we can possibly hang them with their own rope. We're never going to accomplish that with mere conspiracy theories.

 

[red states rule]

Tell me that you saw a shiney silver airliner in the video.....come on.... it looked more like a white plastic vibrator that pulled up in frame and stopped. You buy every piece of BS they sell.

I'm sure Chalie Sheen takes Bush for an idiot, along with 70% of the US and 99% of the whole planet.

Tell us how it was a rocket made by Haliburton that blew up the Pentagon. (and how Cheney pushed the launch button)

 

[maineman]

I agree RSR.... the inside job conspiracy theorists do not provide a convincing scenario whatsoever.

I do not think that Bush actively had anything to do with perpetrating 9/11....I do think that he was negligent in his oversight of our intelligence machinery in the lead up to 9/11 that may have provided increased opportunity for the success of the attack. I think that his own FBI organization knew about arabs learning to fly jets and not caring to learn about landing.... and they did nothing with that knowledge.... I think that Bush inexplicably stopped the predator overflights over Afghanistan that had been set up specifically to find and identify and eliminate Osama bin Laden.... I think that Bush was briefed in August that Osama was determined to strike inside America and rather than cut short his vacation, fly back to washington and march the intelligence community heads up in front of his desk and demand that they take immediate action to get to the bottom of this threat and neutralize it, he briefly acknowledged receipt of the report and went off to play golf.

No....Clearly, Bush did nothing to actively perpetrate 9/11....he simply failed to do a lot of things that might very well have prevented it.

And, afterwards, he lied about the presence of absolute certainty concerning Saddam's stockpiles of WMD's and took us to war on false pretenses.

 

[eots]

I agree RSR.... the inside job conspiracy theorists do not provide a convincing scenario whatsoever.

I do not think that Bush actively had anything to do with perpetrating 9/11....I do think that he was negligent in his oversight of our intelligence machinery in the lead up to 9/11 that may have provided increased opportunity for the success of the attack. I think that his own FBI organization knew about arabs learning to fly jets and not caring to learn about landing.... and they did nothing with that knowledge.... I think that Bush inexplicably stopped the predator overflights over Afghanistan that had been set up specifically to find and identify and eliminate Osama bin Laden.... I think that Bush was briefed in August that Osama was determined to strike inside America and rather than cut short his vacation, fly back to washington and march the intelligence community heads up in front of his desk and demand that they take immediate action to get to the bottom of this threat and neutralize it, he briefly acknowledged receipt of the report and went off to play golf.

No....Clearly, Bush did nothing to actively perpetrate 9/11....he simply failed to do a lot of things that might very well have prevented it.

And, afterwards, he lied about the presence of absolute certainty concerning Saddam's stockpiles of WMD's and took us to war on false pretenses.

Norm Mineta - U.S. Secretary of Transportation 2001 - 2006. U.S. Secretary of Commerce 2000 - 2001. Senior Vice President, Lockheed Martin 1995 - 2000. Former 12-term Congressman from California 1971 - 1995. Currently, Vice Chairman of the Board, Hill & Knowlton.

9/11 Commission testimony 5/23/03:

Lee Hamilton: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center [PEOC]. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?

Norm Mineta: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --

Lee Hamilton: The flight you're referring to is the --

Norm Mineta: The flight that came into the Pentagon. ...
http://www.youtube.com

Norm Mineta: I didn't know about the order to shoot down. I arrived at the PEOC at about 9:20 a.m. And the president was in Florida, and I believe he was on his way to Louisiana at that point when the conversation that went on between the vice president and the president and the staff that the president had with him.

Tim Roemer: So when you arrived at 9:20 [at the Presidential Emergency Operating Center in the White House], how much longer was it before you overheard the conversation between the young man and the vice president saying, "Does the order still stand?"

Norm Mineta: Probably about five or six minutes.

Tim Roemer: So about 9:25 or 9:26. And your inference
was that the vice president snapped his head around and said, "Yes, the order still stands." Why did you infer that that was a shoot-down? http://www.youtube.com


Editor's note: Secretary Mineta's testimony is entirely omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report. His testimony directly contradicts the 9/11 Commission Report in two key points.

1. Mr. Mineta testified he arrived at the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) in the White House at 9:20 a.m. and observed Vice President Dick Cheney discussing with an aide that the incoming Flight 77 was 50 miles out at 9:25 or 9:26. The 9/11 Commission Report maintains Vice President Cheney did not arrive at the PEOC until 9:58, over one-half hour later. Mr. Mineta's testimony is further supported by the fact that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at 9:37, which is the correct time it would have taken Flight 77 to arrive at the Pentagon, if it had been about 50 miles out at 9:26.

2. The Commission Report maintains the government did not know the whereabouts of Flight 77 prior 9:32, when Dulles Tower air controllers "observed a primary radar target tracking eastbound at a high rate of speed". Mr. Mineta's testimony reveals Vice President Cheney was being informed of the plane's position for several minutes before that, and perhaps considerably longer.

Also of interest, is that the first approximately 15 minutes of Mr. Mineta's testimony before the Commission (Panel 1, Friday, May 23. 2003) during which he discusses the points mentioned above, have been edited out of the official 9/11 Commission video archives. However, his entire testimony does appear in the transcript.


Bio: http://www.nndEdward L. Peck – Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under Ronald Reagan. Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs at the State Department. U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq (1977 - 1980). 32-year veteran of the Foreign Service.

Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article b.com/people
Morgan Reynolds, PhD – Chief Economist, U.S. Department of Labor under George W. Bush 2001 - 2002. Former Director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis. Professor Emeritus, Economics, Texas A&M University.

Video 6/2/06: "I first began to suspect that 9/11 was in inside job when the Bush-Cheney Administration invaded Iraq. … We can prove that the government’s story is false." http://video.goo


Essay 6/9/05: "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause(s) of the collapse of the twin towers [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories] and building 7 [570 feet tall, 47 stories, and not hit by an airplane]. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely [to] prove to be sound." http://www.l...


Bio: http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=bio

Paul Craig Roberts, PhD – Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan, "Father of Reaganomics", Former Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal. Currently Chairman of the Institute for Political Economy and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. Former William E. Simon chair in political economy, Center for Strategic and International Studies, Georgetown University. Former Senior Research Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University. Author or co-author of several books on economics and politics, including; The Supply-Side Revolution (1985), Alienation and the Soviet Economy: The Collapse of the Socialist Era (1990), The Soviet Union After Perestroika (1991), The Capitalist Revolution in Latin America (2003).

Endorsement of 9/11 and American Empire (Vol I) – Intellectuals Speak Out: "This is the most important book of our time. Distinguished national and international scientists and scholars present massive evidence that the 9/11 Commission Report is a hoax and that the 9/11 "terrorist attack" has been manipulated to serve a hegemonic agenda in the Middle East. The book's call for a truly independent panel of experts to be empowered to bring out the true facts must be heeded or Americans will never again live under accountable government." http://www.interlinkbooks.com

Philip J. Berg, Esquire – Former Deputy Attorney General, State of Pennsylvania.

Article 10/29/04: "The official story of what actually took place on 9-11 is a lie." http://www.americanfreepress.net


Statement 1/4/07: "Berg continued there is overwhelming evidence that: "Bush and his cronies made 9/11 happen or let it happen. And, if they let it happen, then they made it happen. Either way, they are responsible; and more important, they have completely and unequivocally covered-it-up!" MS Word doc at http://www.911forthetruth.com/pdfs/PR_01042007.doc


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article.php



Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."


Bio: http
Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret) – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran (two Silver Stars, a Bronze Star and a Purple Heart). Appointed by President George H.W. Bush to serve on the American Battle Monuments Commission (1990 - 1994), and on the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces. Military Historian and Deputy Director of Field Operations for the U.S. Marine Corps Historical Center, Washington, D.C. 1990 - 1994.

Article 7/10/06: "The former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under the Reagan Administration and a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and Colonel has gone on the record to voice his doubts about the official story of 9/11 - calling it ‘the dog that doesn't hunt.’ ‘I'm astounded that the conspiracy theory advanced by the administration could in fact be true and the evidence does not seem to suggest that's accurate,’ he said." http://www.knowledgedriven


Bio: http://www.firstprinciplespress

Capt. Eric H. May, U.S. Army (ret) – Former U.S. Army Intelligence Officer. Former inspector and interpreter for the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty team.

Essay 9/11 and Non-investigation: "As a former Army officer, my tendency immediately after 911 was to rally 'round the colors and defend the country against what I then thought was an insidious, malicious all-Arab entity called Al-Qaida. In fact, in April of 2002, I attempted to reactivate my then-retired commission to return to serve my country in its time of peril. ...

Now I view the 911 event as Professor David Griffin, author of The New Pearl Harbor, views it: as a matter that implies either

A) passive participation by the Bush White House through a deliberate stand-down of proper defense procedures that (if followed) would have led US air assets to a quick identification and confrontation of the passenger aircraft that impacted WTC 1 and WTC 2, or worse ...

B) active execution of a plot by rogue elements of government, starting with the White House itself, in creating a spectacle of destruction that would lead the United States into an invasion of the Middle East ..." http://mujca.com/captain.htm


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth





Essay 8/16/06: "We know that it is strictly impossible for any building, much less steel columned buildings, to "pancake" at free fall speed. Therefore, it is a non-controversial fact that the official explanation of the collapse of the WTC buildings is false." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info


Essay 2/6/06: "There are not many editors eager for writers to explore the glaring defects of the 9/11 Commission Report. One would think that if the report could stand analysis, there would not be a taboo against calling attention to the inadequacy of its explanations." http://www.counterpunc


Bio: http://www.vdare.com/roberts/bio.htm



Catherine Austin Fitts

Catherine Austin Fitts – Assistant Secretary of Housing under George H.W. Bush. Former Managing Director and Member of the Board of Wall Street investment bank, Dillon, Read & Co

Audio Interview 9/9/04: Regarding 9/11 "The official story could not possibly have happened... It’s not possible. It’s not operationally feasible... The Commission was a whitewash." (About 45 minutes into the file.) http://157


Essay 3/22/04: "The first category of people who benefited were those who are guilty and complicit in designing, implementing and financing the 9-11 operation. On such a sophisticated and successful covert operation, the people responsible would have had budgets and financing and would have organized the operation to maximize their political and financial benefits." http://globalresearch.ca


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article



Bio: http://www.solari.com/about/ca_fitts.html



William Bergman, MA, MBA




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Nineeleven.co.uk

 

[Bern80]

I agree RSR.... the inside job conspiracy theorists do not provide a convincing scenario whatsoever.

I do not think that Bush actively had anything to do with perpetrating 9/11....I do think that he was negligent in his oversight of our intelligence machinery in the lead up to 9/11 that may have provided increased opportunity for the success of the attack. I think that his own FBI organization knew about arabs learning to fly jets and not caring to learn about landing.... and they did nothing with that knowledge.... I think that Bush inexplicably stopped the predator overflights over Afghanistan that had been set up specifically to find and identify and eliminate Osama bin Laden.... I think that Bush was briefed in August that Osama was determined to strike inside America and rather than cut short his vacation, fly back to washington and march the intelligence community heads up in front of his desk and demand that they take immediate action to get to the bottom of this threat and neutralize it, he briefly acknowledged receipt of the report and went off to play golf.

No....Clearly, Bush did nothing to actively perpetrate 9/11....he simply failed to do a lot of things that might very well have prevented it.

And, afterwards, he lied about the presence of absolute certainty concerning Saddam's stockpiles of WMD's and took us to war on false pretenses.

Hey maineman I have really bad news for you. Eots is the king of cut and paste. No one on this board holds a candle to him. I promise you will never get a post out of him that is in his own words.

 

[eots]

Hey maineman I have really bad news for you. Eots is the king of cut and paste. No one on this board holds a candle to him. I promise you will never get a post out of him that is in his own words.

what a lame attempt to ignore a discredit the beliefs of these top level
intelligence ,military ,and government personal with years of experience and serving through multiple administrations , it is almost unbelievable to me
how some people fight so hard to stay in denial and that you don't seem to even question why the mainstream media makes it appear as fringe groups and Charlie sheen are the voice of 911 truth and simple refuses to provide the information i have posted here.....word

 

[red states rule]

what a lame attempt to ignore a discredit the beliefs of these top level
intelligence ,military ,and government personal with years of experience and serving through multiple administrations , it is almost unbelievable to me
how some people fight so hard to stay in denial and that you how you don't seem to even question why the mainstream media makes it appear as fringe groups and Charlie sheen are the voice of 911 truth and simple refuses to provide the information i have posted here.....word

no, we are ignoring the rants of a deranged liberal kook who in serious need of 24 hour adult supervision

 

[eots]

no, we are ignoring the rants of a deranged liberal kook who in serious need of 24 hour adult supervision

no I'm afraid not you are indeed ignoring these men and patriots
you cant address the opinions of these experts or the lack of media attention to there bold statements ,so you make your delusional lib blah blah
blah comments to avoid it...word

 

[red states rule]

no I'm afraid not you are indeed ignoring these men and patriots
you cant address the opinions of these experts or the lack of media attention to there bold statements ,so you make your delusional lib blah blah
blah comments to avoid it...word

If you have so much evidence on the story of the century - send it to Dan Rather. He needs a job I guess, and he has a history of reporting fiction as fact

 

[maineman]

Hey maineman I have really bad news for you. Eots is the king of cut and paste. No one on this board holds a candle to him. I promise you will never get a post out of him that is in his own words.

you'll notice I haven't asked him to provide any.

and RSR provides that delightful mixture of not only showing a true talent for finding lengthy cut and paste articles of only limited relevance, but also has mastered the art of the lame oneliner.... so he is able to annoy on a variety of levels.

 

[maineman]

and here I am agreeing with RSR, and he doesn't even THANK me for it!

I agree RSR.... the inside job conspiracy theorists do not provide a convincing scenario whatsoever.

I do not think that Bush actively had anything to do with perpetrating 9/11....I do think that he was negligent in his oversight of our intelligence machinery in the lead up to 9/11 that may have provided increased opportunity for the success of the attack. I think that his own FBI organization knew about arabs learning to fly jets and not caring to learn about landing.... and they did nothing with that knowledge.... I think that Bush inexplicably stopped the predator overflights over Afghanistan that had been set up specifically to find and identify and eliminate Osama bin Laden.... I think that Bush was briefed in August that Osama was determined to strike inside America and rather than cut short his vacation, fly back to washington and march the intelligence community heads up in front of his desk and demand that they take immediate action to get to the bottom of this threat and neutralize it, he briefly acknowledged receipt of the report and went off to play golf.

No....Clearly, Bush did nothing to actively perpetrate 9/11....he simply failed to do a lot of things that might very well have prevented it.

And, afterwards, he lied about the presence of absolute certainty concerning Saddam's stockpiles of WMD's and took us to war on false pretenses.

 

[red states rule]

you'll notice I haven't asked him to provide any.

and RSR provides that delightful mixture of not only showing a true talent for finding lengthy cut and paste articles of only limited relevance, but also has mastered the art of the lame oneliner.... so he is able to annoy on a variety of levels.

at least my articles are based on facts and expose the left wing bias of the media. Thet must do so to piss you off so badly

 

[Rosotar]

what a lame attempt to ignore a discredit the beliefs of these top level
intelligence ,military ,and government personal with years of experience and serving through multiple administrations ,

With all due respect eots unless you've been living in a cave for years you should know that ignoring the beliefs and advice of qualified, high level officials is the norm with the Bush administration and most conservatives today.

They ignore their own intelligence agencies and the NIE's they produce. They ignore the conclusions of the Iraq Survey Group. They've ignored the consensus of the international community. They ignore the will of the American people. Heck, Bush even ignored the opinions of his commanders on the ground in Iraq. It was interesting to note that a couple months ago when his commanders stopped carrying the water for this administration and began speaking out publicly disagreeing with his "troop surge" idea he simply replaced them with new commanders who would echo what he wanted to hear.

And now he has the nerve to accuse Democrats of "second guessing" the commanders in the field.

Deep denial and spinning alternate realities is the norm rather than the exception with this administration!

 

[maineman]

at least my articles are based on facts and expose the left wing bias of the media. Thet must do so to piss you off so badly

actually, most of your articles are opinion pieces from conservative sources.

I am sure that Rush Limbaugh believes he is putting out "facts", but that doesn't change the fact that his bias is obvious and makes his pronouncements less than objective.

 

[eots]

If you have so much evidence on the story of the century - send it to Dan Rather. He needs a job I guess, and he has a history of reporting fiction as fact

thats right clown keep proving my point for me



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[red states rule]

With all due respect eots unless you've been living in a cave for years you should know that ignoring the beliefs and advice of qualified, high level officials is the norm with the Bush administration and most conservatives today.

They ignore their own intelligence agencies and the NIE's they produce. They ignore the conclusions of the Iraq Survey Group. They've ignored the consensus of the international community. They ignore the will of the American people. Heck, Bush even ignored the opinions of his commanders on the ground in Iraq. It was interesting to note that a couple months ago when his commanders stopped carrying the water for this administration and began speaking out publicly disagreeing with his "troop surge" idea he simply replaced them with new commanders who would echo what he wanted to hear.

And now he has the nerve to accuse Democrats of "second guessing" the commanders in the field.

Deep denial and spinning alternate realities is the norm rather than the exception with this administration!

It seems libs are doing that. They confirm Gen Petraeus (without a single NO vote)and now that want to deny him the resources to win the war

 

[maineman]

and RSR....rest assured, you do not "piss me off" in the least...

you merely disappoint me.

 

[red states rule]

and RSR....rest assured, you do not "piss me off" in the least...

you merely disappoint me.

you sure ***** and whine enough when I post articles that rip your predetermined views to pieces

 

[maineman]

you sure ***** and whine enough when I post articles that rip your predetermined views to pieces

I merely point out my disappointment at your inability to actually think for yourself.

Now...If you tried to actually post your own thoughts that attempted to rip my views to pieces, I would love to read them.

I really have no need for a conservative clipping service, which is all you seem to be good for.

 

[red states rule]

I merely point out my disappointment at your inability to actually think for yourself.

Now...If you tried to actually post your own thoughts that attempted to rip my views to pieces, I would love to read them.

I really have no need for a conservative clipping service, which is all you seem to be good for.

We all know you have no need for facts - you ignore them like most liberal moonbats