The Belief That Life Was the Result of an Accident Is Unscientific

[PoliticalChic]

I link, source and document everything I post.

Perhaps, if you go to college, you'll understand the importance of doing so.

An entire sentence in your own words with no cut & paste. I knew you could do it. And a gratuitous insult to boot. Thanks.

You are far too flagitious an individual to deserve any but the most condign contumely.

 

[rightwinger]

Communism, Nazism, Liberalism, Socialism, Progressivism, Fascism...

...is responsible for over 100 million slaughtered since its origin.

Being that you are both a liar and a fool, the numbers will not be instructive to you....

...but, ever the optimist I, here you go:

"Over the past 100 years the most oppressive ideology in the world has been communism [Marxism]. While the people who lived under it were starved, tortured and murdered, its leaders lived in luxury.
The suppression of ordinary people by their communist rulers far surpasses anything capitalist employers were ever accused of doing. While condemning exploitation, communist dictators turned out to be masters at it.

a. R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the governments in the countries where they lived. Hate on the Left




1. 169,202,000 Murdered: Summary and Conclusions [20th Century Democide]

I BACKGROUND
2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of Democide]
3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide

II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime under Chiang Kai-shek

III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse

IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER




Now....why are you so fearful of reality?????

Poor Political Chic

Unable to stay on topic

 

[alang1216]

"None of these events happened in English-speaking places, maybe that is the cause?"

Over 100 million men, women and children were slaughtered under the auspices of Leftists.

Non-English speaking Leftists! You have not proven language is NOT the cause.

Since there is no universal 'Leftist' manifesto, I'll ask you about the Communist Manifesto. Where in it does it call for the anyone's slaughter?

 

[alang1216]

You are far too flagitious an individual to deserve any but the most condign contumely.

But at least I learned two new words today. What have you learned today?

 

[alang1216]

I seem to recall that God sent a flood to kill...babies.

Just pretend they were all aborted and then you won't care.

Are you morally superior to God?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Taste like chicken!

It REALLY doesn't.

Wont ask how you know that.

 

[JimBowie1958]

I seem to recall that God sent a flood to kill almost everything, everything meaning animals & babies. He told the Israelis to kill everyone in Jericho and their animals too. He sent a plague to kill 70,000 Israelis because David took a census. Sounds like a serial killer to me yet there is nothing like it in the NT.

This is a complicated issue, but let me try with an analogy first.

Suppose a person was engaging in extra marital sex at a high frequency and got herpes.

From a cause and effect perspective, his own behavior was what got him infected, but from a moral perspective it is consistent to say that he was tested and judged by God, though not literally.

The plague 'sent by God' was described as an angel that David stopped at the place the temple was later built, but this is obviously metaphor as plagues are not angels of death roaming the Earth. That is simply the understanding of a pastoral people three thousand years ago. To the mind of the Biblical writer that is what it was and so the Spirit of God led him to write what he did as best the author understood it.

When God orders the mass slaughter of an entire community, to include those we think innocent, it is not comparable to the guilt we would have were we to do such a thing under our own volition. God can see the future and he knows what the descendants of Jericho or the Amalekites would do if left alive and He knows it perfectly. So God has the moral authority to condemn a community of people such as the inhabitants of Jericho, Sodom Gomorrah, or the Amalekites because He alone can prevent much worse violence. The Amalekites for example were allowed to live by KingSaul and they returned to being a plague to Israel that cause more suffering for them for centuries if they indeed became ancestors of some of the Arab tribes.

 

[alang1216]

The plague 'sent by God' was described as an angel that David stopped at the place the temple was later built, but this is obviously metaphor as plagues are not angels of death roaming the Earth. That is simply the understanding of a pastoral people three thousand years ago. To the mind of the Biblical writer that is what it was and so the Spirit of God led him to write what he did as best the author understood it.

An atheist might say there was a plague after the census so the pastoral people connected the two.

A theist said:
God gave David a choice of three punishments for his sin—three years of famine, three months of fleeing before his enemies, or three days of plague. David chose the third, and the Lord then punished Israel with a plague that killed 70,000 men from Dan in the north to Beersheba in the south. As for why God punished the whole nation for the sin of the king, that is exactly the question David asks in 2 Samuel 24:17. Why, when he was the one who had sinned, did the people have to suffer? He even requested that God’s hand be against him and his family only, and that God would spare the people. But, as with the account of Job, God chose not to give a reason for His actions. Perhaps it was because of Israel’s multiplied sins and rebellion against God throughout the centuries. Perhaps it was a lesson to the people (and to us as well) that the people suffer when their leaders go astray. The reality is that God didn’t justify His actions with a reason, nor does He have to.

Either way it sounds like a literal plague to me.

When God orders the mass slaughter of an entire community, to include those we think innocent, it is not comparable to the guilt we would have were we to do such a thing under our own volition. God can see the future and he knows what the descendants of Jericho or the Amalekites would do if left alive and He knows it perfectly. So God has the moral authority to condemn a community of people such as the inhabitants of Jericho, Sodom Gomorrah, or the Amalekites because He alone can prevent much worse violence. The Amalekites for example were allowed to live by KingSaul and they returned to being a plague to Israel that cause more suffering for them for centuries if they indeed became ancestors of some of the Arab tribes.

I'm sure you'd agree that since God created the people of Jericho he could have found a way to save them. Where was Jesus when they needed him?

 

[JimBowie1958]

The plague 'sent by God' was described as an angel that David stopped at the place the temple was later built, but this is obviously metaphor as plagues are not angels of death roaming the Earth. That is simply the understanding of a pastoral people three thousand years ago. To the mind of the Biblical writer that is what it was and so the Spirit of God led him to write what he did as best the author understood it.

An atheist might say there was a plague after the census so the pastoral people connected the two.

A theist said:
God gave David a choice of three punishments for his sin—three years of famine, three months of fleeing before his enemies, or three days of plague. David chose the third, and the Lord then punished Israel with a plague that killed 70,000 men from Dan in the north to Beersheba in the south. As for why God punished the whole nation for the sin of the king, that is exactly the question David asks in 2 Samuel 24:17. Why, when he was the one who had sinned, did the people have to suffer? He even requested that God’s hand be against him and his family only, and that God would spare the people. But, as with the account of Job, God chose not to give a reason for His actions. Perhaps it was because of Israel’s multiplied sins and rebellion against God throughout the centuries. Perhaps it was a lesson to the people (and to us as well) that the people suffer when their leaders go astray. The reality is that God didn’t justify His actions with a reason, nor does He have to.

Either way it sounds like a literal plague to me.

When God orders the mass slaughter of an entire community, to include those we think innocent, it is not comparable to the guilt we would have were we to do such a thing under our own volition. God can see the future and he knows what the descendants of Jericho or the Amalekites would do if left alive and He knows it perfectly. So God has the moral authority to condemn a community of people such as the inhabitants of Jericho, Sodom Gomorrah, or the Amalekites because He alone can prevent much worse violence. The Amalekites for example were allowed to live by KingSaul and they returned to being a plague to Israel that cause more suffering for them for centuries if they indeed became ancestors of some of the Arab tribes.

I'm sure you'd agree that since God created the people of Jericho he could have found a way to save them. Where was Jesus when they needed him?

The plague was literal, but it being the punishment from God for the census is not necessarily literal. That is a moral statement that has no objective way to be confirmed scientifically or historically.

Not all problems have solutions, and since God ordered them all to be killed I think it confirms that there was no way.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You are far too flagitious an individual to deserve any but the most condign contumely.

But at least I learned two new words today. What have you learned today?

That you're a buffoon?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Communism, Nazism, Liberalism, Socialism, Progressivism, Fascism...

...is responsible for over 100 million slaughtered since its origin.

Being that you are both a liar and a fool, the numbers will not be instructive to you....

...but, ever the optimist I, here you go:

"Over the past 100 years the most oppressive ideology in the world has been communism [Marxism]. While the people who lived under it were starved, tortured and murdered, its leaders lived in luxury.
The suppression of ordinary people by their communist rulers far surpasses anything capitalist employers were ever accused of doing. While condemning exploitation, communist dictators turned out to be masters at it.

a. R.J. Rummel estimates that almost 170 million people were killed in the 20th century by their own governments. These are not deaths in war. They are the victims of genocide by the governments in the countries where they lived. Hate on the Left




1. 169,202,000 Murdered: Summary and Conclusions [20th Century Democide]

I BACKGROUND
2. The New Concept of Democide [Definition of Democide]
3. Over 133,147,000 Murdered: Pre-Twentieth Century Democide

II 128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS
4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime under Chiang Kai-shek

III 19,178,000 VICTIMS: THE LESSER MEGA-MURDERERS
8. 5,964,000 Murdered: Japan's Savage Military
9. 2,035,000 Murdered: The Khmer Rouge Hell State
10. 1,883,000 Murdered: Turkey's Genocidal Purges
11. 1,670,000 Murdered: The Vietnamese War State
12. 1,585,000 Murdered: Poland's Ethnic Cleansing
13. 1,503,000 Murdered: The Pakistani Cutthroat State
14. 1,072,000 Murdered: Tito's Slaughterhouse

IV 4,145,000 VICTIMS: SUSPECTED MEGAMURDERERS
15. 1,663,000 Murdered? Orwellian North Korea
16. 1,417,000 Murdered? Barbarous Mexico
17. 1,066,000 Murdered? Feudal Russia

DEATH BY GOVERNMENT: GENOCIDE AND MASS MURDER




Now....why are you so fearful of reality?????

Poor Political Chic

Unable to stay on topic

I'm not a Liberal....I don't take orders.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Get your goofy voodoo out of here, this is a place of truth.

It's "goofy voodoo" to believe that the universe created itself and that life came from lightning striking a puddle of water containing minerals. LMAO!

"It's "goofy voodoo" to believe that the universe created itself and that life came from lightning striking a puddle of water containing minerals. "

No it's not, what an odd thing to say. I know you desperately want to drag all scientific questions and knowledge down into the murky slime where faith-based ideas reside (since you cannot elevate your faith-based ideas to the status of science), but you will always fail. Always.

You're just today's version of the religious naysayer that has been squawking for millenia. 500 years ago, you would have been squawking about the earth revolving around the Sun. 200 years ago, you would have been cackling at the idea that pathogens cause disease. 100 years ago, you would have been doing the same little dance regarding the idea that there is more than one galaxy in the universe. Same shit, different day, Did I mention you will always fail? Always.

 

[alang1216]

You are far too flagitious an individual to deserve any but the most condign contumely.

But at least I learned two new words today. What have you learned today?

That you're a buffoon?

No, you called me that yesterday. Try again.

 

[alang1216]

The plague was literal, but it being the punishment from God for the census is not necessarily literal. That is a moral statement that has no objective way to be confirmed scientifically or historically.

Not all problems have solutions, and since God ordered them all to be killed I think it confirms that there was no way.

The Bible makes the connection. Is the OT fake news?

I guess God isn't as powerful as I thought.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Bible makes the connection. Is the OT fake news?

The Bible is a spiritual document and makes connections that a secular perspective would not make.

That is not fake news, that is simply a different perspective.

I guess God isn't as powerful as I thought.

How much power allows one to find an answer to the unanswerable question?

How many BTUs would allow you to make a four sided triangle?

Not everything can be accomplished by simply increasing the power applied, hence it is not a facet of omnipotence to say they cannot be achieved.

 

[alang1216]

The Bible makes the connection. Is the OT fake news?

The Bible is a spiritual document and makes connections that a secular perspective would not make.

That is not fake news, that is simply a different perspective.

I guess God isn't as powerful as I thought.

How much power allows one to find an answer to the unanswerable question?

How many BTUs would allow you to make a four sided triangle?

Not everything can be accomplished by simply increasing the power applied, hence it is not a facet of omnipotence to say they cannot be achieved.

I guess this 'natural' selection has worked since God has not felt the need to sanction genocide in a very long time.

 

[Weatherman2020]

This is who we are. Just a pile of elements from the Periodic Table.
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Same elements you will find all around you. When you die, those elements will continue to exist with no effect upon them. Carbon atoms will still be carbon atoms after you die.
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No matter how accurate you are in combing all of the ratios of atoms in a living being, it is not going to become animated.

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Atoms are not going to write Beethoven, they does not want to listen to Beethoven, nor does the pile of atoms care if it a living being lives or dies, because the elements have nothing to gain or lose either way. Atoms have no interest in talking to each other, laughing at funny cat videos, or even reading and responding on USMB. Atoms just do not care.

How anyone can delude themselves to believe atoms do have sentient life is beyond me.

Scientists are the first to admit that they don't have The Answer to the origin of our existence. Yet.

Such egotistical beliefs have the exclusive domain of the various religions of the world for thousands of years.
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Origin of life aside, why would anyone have a belief carbon atoms care about what color goes with your pants?

 

[Weatherman2020]

So if I pile all of the elements in the right ratios that makes a human, why does that pile not move?

Time needed? No, those elements have been in my backyard for a very very long time. Geology around my home is at least 6 million years.

Yet no new life.

"So if I pile all of the elements in the right ratios that makes a human, why does that pile not move?"

....as if you have done this. Ever seen a pile of "elements" just like a human that didn't move? I have. It's called a corpse.

I can buy all the elements of a human on amazon. But why is your corpse not moving?

 

[Weatherman2020]

So if I pile all of the elements in the right ratios that makes a human, why does that pile not move?

Time needed? No, those elements have been in my backyard for a very very long time. Geology around my home is at least 6 million years.

Yet no new life.

You are doing it all wrong

You don't start with a human right away. You start with some primordial slime containing the correct hydrocarbons at a reasonable temperature with plenty of water. Maybe a lightning bolt or solar energy and a living organism is created. Wait a billion years and let evolution take its course

OK, why no new life forms in the past 500 million years? All life is traced back to a single lump of goo.

"OK, why no new life forms in the past 500 million years?"

What is this nonsense? Plenty of species have emerged in the last 500 million years.

As far as new types of life, ut's a simple answer....the biomass already existent on this planet dominates.

If it’s so simple and so many new life forms have emerged from the mud in the past 500 million years, then you should have no trouble listing three of them.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Nor is your brain pattern the same as when you were 10. Doesn’t mean we can kill you at ten.

At 3 weeks the babies heart is beating. So your stopping a heart beating.

The same can be said of almost any animal and we can kill any animal (we own) at any stage in their lives Why should human beings be granted special rights? How are humans different from other animals?

Because only humans are created in the image of God.

Since 1962 school kids could no longer be told they were each created equally in the image of God. This was replaced with telling kids they are no more important than a tree.

We are bearing the fruits of that change now with the rapid escalation of mass murder in our society.