The "Beautiful" Budget bill in Congress right now (pushed by both Trump and Johnson), would raise National debt by $4 Trillion, if passed!

[Toddsterpatriot]

Do you seriously not understand that there are structural deficits that are inherited? Do you really not undertand what the words "policy contrbution to deficit" mean?

Why do you want to keep wasting everyone's time with your silly posts?

I gave you the account of Trump's policy deficit contrubution and I gave you Biden's policy deficit contribution. Trump's is MUCH higher and not single word you've posted refutes that in any way.

Do you seriously not understand that there are structural deficits that are inherited?

Give me a ******* break.
You can pretend that Biden's debt was Trump's fault, as though Biden was unable to do anything to change the budget's course.

I gave you the account of Trump's policy deficit contrubution and I gave you Biden's policy deficit contribution.

Yeah, I always laugh at those bullshit analyses.

Remember when Obamacare was supposed to save us money?
Remember when Obamacare was going to be paid for with Obama's student
loan profits?

 

[AntonToo]

Do you seriously not understand that there are structural deficits that are inherited?

Give me a ******* break.
You can pretend that Biden's debt was Trump's fault, as though Biden was unable to do anything to change the budget's course.

Ok lets go over it one more time:

Both Biden and Trump came into office with certain baseline spending and revenues. It includes policies that were signed into law by previous administrations, it includes interest on those policies, it includes economic conditions etc. that would be the case no matter who was stepping into office.

They then signed various legislation that increased and in some cases decreased deficit. That is their personal contribution to our deficits.

Both overall increased deficit, though Trump's policy contributed much more deficit.


I'm not interested in your coulda-wouldas I'm giving a factual, quantified effects of their policies, while you are posting mindless drivel.

 

[lg325]

This is Sen. Klobuchers take on the budget bill.

MSN

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Ok lets go over it one more time:

Both Biden and Trump came into office with certain baseline spending and revenues. It includes policies that were signed into law by previous administrations, it includes interest on those policies, it includes economic conditions etc. that would be the case no matter who was stepping into office.

They then signed various legislation that increased and in some cases decreased deficit. That is their personal contribution to our deficits.

Both overall increased deficit, though Trump's policy contributed much more deficit.


I'm not interested in your coulda-wouldas I'm giving a factual, quantified effects of their policies, while you are posting mindless drivel.

Biden had 4 years to increase Trump's taxes or cut Trump's spending.
Did he do that?

I'm not interested in your coulda-wouldas

I'm interested in reality. Biden borrowed more than Trump.
He added more debt than Trump.

I'm giving a factual, quantified effects of their policies,

You're giving estimated projections of future impacts.
Not solid numbers of actual borrowing.

while you are posting mindless drivel.

You're hilarious! Keep posting about how Biden was a budget hawk.
It makes you sound even dumber than you initially appeared.

 

[AntonToo]

Biden had 4 years to increase Trump's taxes or cut Trump's spending.
Did he do that?

I'm not interested in your coulda-wouldas

I'm interested in reality. Biden borrowed more than Trump.
He added more debt than Trump.

I'm giving a factual, quantified effects of their policies,

You're giving estimated projections of future impacts.
Not solid numbers of actual borrowing.

while you are posting mindless drivel.

You're hilarious! Keep posting about how Biden was a budget hawk.
It makes you sound even dumber than you initially appeared.

Dummy do you not get that your every complaint for Biden applies to Trump when it comes to actual comparison?

Yes they both could have been fiscally better, but FACT is that they weren't and Trump's policies added up to trillions more debt.

You can't refute any of that.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Do you seriously not understand that there are structural deficits that are inherited?

Give me a ******* break.
You can pretend that Biden's debt was Trump's fault, as though Biden was unable to do anything to change the budget's course.

I gave you the account of Trump's policy deficit contrubution and I gave you Biden's policy deficit contribution.

Yeah, I always laugh at those bullshit analyses.

Remember when Obamacare was supposed to save us money?
Remember when Obamacare was going to be paid for with Obama's student
loan profits?

All Obummer care did was drive up working citizens healthcare premiums

 

[Woodznutz]

Trump's actions of cutting spending by getting rid of many of the department's presently in place at the beginning of 2025, was supposed to get rid of much of the debt that U.S. has amassed over the past 60 years. Nonetheless and if passed, the present budget bill that Johnson has put together and that Trump supports, will add to the U.S debt by $4 Trillion. In addition, it takes away from the poor (cuts Medicaid for 7.6 to 10.3 million) and gives more money to the rich.

The drug costs alone for Medicaid are nearly a $Trillion per year ($871Billion). Trump wants to lower these costs, which would lower the cost of Medicaid without denying anyone coverage that needs it.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Is this what Americans need and want?

That's about the same as the last administration, isn't it? Did Americans need and want that too? Is it a case of cherry picking which debt you're happy with? Don't tell me, it depends on the colour of their underpants, that kind of excuse.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dummy do you not get that your every complaint for Biden applies to Trump when it comes to actual comparison?

Yes they both could have been fiscally better, but FACT is that they weren't and Trump's policies added up to trillions more debt.

You can't refute any of that.

do you not get that your every complaint for Biden applies to Trump when it comes to actual comparison?

And to Obama and Bush as well, I get it.

Yes they both could have been fiscally better, but FACT is that they weren't and Trump's policies added up to trillions more debt.

They could have been much better. But Trump added $7.8 trillion and Biden added $8.5 trillion.

Imagine if Manchin and Sinema hadn't slowed him down.
He could have added $9 or $10 trillion.

 

[Stann]

Trump's actions of cutting spending by getting rid of many of the department's presently in place at the beginning of 2025, was supposed to get rid of much of the debt that U.S. has amassed over the past 60 years. Nonetheless and if passed, the present budget bill that Johnson has put together and that Trump supports, will add to the U.S debt by $4 Trillion. In addition, it takes away from the poor (cuts Medicaid for 7.6 to 10.3 million) and gives more money to the rich.

AI Overview

The House budget resolution being considered in Congress proposes a $4 trillion increase to the debt limit, according to PBS and McGuireWoods Consulting. This is intended to allow the Treasury to continue paying bills and avoid a federal debt default. The bill also includes provisions for tax cuts and potential cuts in other areas to offset the cost, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

AI Overview

The potential impact of President Trump's budget bill on Medicaid enrollment is significant, with estimates varying between 7.6 and 10.3 million people potentially losing coverage by 2034 if the proposed cuts and reforms are enacted.

Is this what Americans need and want?


.

trump cannot fix anything , he destroys.

 

[Luckyone]

The drug costs alone for Medicaid are nearly a $Trillion per year ($871Billion). Trump wants to lower these costs, which would lower the cost of Medicaid without denying anyone coverage that needs it.

The bill passed by the House makes around $600 billion in cuts to Medicaid. About 10.9 million people could lose their coverage over the next 10 years, according to Wednesday’s estimate by the Congressional Budget Office.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The bill passed by the House makes around $600 billion in cuts to Medicaid. About 10.9 million people could lose their coverage over the next 10 years, according to Wednesday’s estimate by the Congressional Budget Office.

About 10.9 million people could lose their coverage over the next 10 years,

How many of those are illegal aliens?
How many are able-bodied?

 

[leftwinger]

Yea yea cool story nutbag, too bad it's entirely incoherent because government spending is stimulative and a stronger recovery would have required bigger, not smaller stimulus.

What did Trump do when shit hit the fan? Spend like crazy. In fact Trump's 2020 stimulus was many times bigger than Obama's yet you have can find nothing to criticize there.

Yawning. Stupid maggot brain. Man made FLU launch, deep state forced shutdown. Congress spent to kill the country, rig the vote. Trump was the target. Not a participant. That's all// not again over and over.

 

[leftwinger]

Um...retard?

After absorbing the impact of the Great Recession, Obama LOWERED the deficit by half in the succeeding years.

Trump then set about doubling the deficit. Before Covid.

You are talking out of your ass.

As for the massive government spending, that was to bail out the crooked financial institutions instead of holding them accountable and selling off their parts like they did when LTCM collapsed.

The Fed set a whole new precedent by buying toxic assets from the zombie banks.



The only deep thing in this topic is your ignorance.

Yawning. Congress caused (did not prvebt) housing bust to being in deep state muslim to raid the treasury. Trillion dollar over-spending became standard.

 

[leftwinger]

No, you haven't.

Post what Trump spent in his 4 years and what Biden spent in his 4 years.

Disregard Congress spending on Flu and it was business as usual while fixing Obiuden 1.0 corruption waste.

 

[leftwinger]

Not going to argue spending "blame". Deep State Congress is the issue. Short of a miracle it will take 25 yrs to clean them up thru the vote (with Election Fraud).//

 

[g5000]

Yawning.

Whenever something goes way over your head, your mind shuts down.

Then you say weird, impotent, things like, "Congress caused (did not prvebt) housing bust to being in deep state muslim to raid the treasury. Trillion dollar over-spending became standard."

 

[g5000]

Disregard Congress spending on Flu and it was business as usual while fixing Obiuden 1.0 corruption waste.

See? Every time you idiots are faced with Trump's massive overspending and the doubling of the deficit, you programmed morons say, "BECAUSE COVID".

Sorry, rube. Your propagandists kept you in the dark about the facts of Trump's spending and doubling the deficit BEFORE Covid.

And you never bothered to think for yourself and LOOK.

"WAAAAH! Obama spends too much!" For eight years.

Followed by four years of dead silence as Trump racked up the same amount of Obama's deficits in HALF the time.

Four years of dead silence.

Then four years of, "WAAAAH! Biden spends too much!"

Now go ahead and shut your brain down and yawn again. You DESERVE to be lied to. You BEG to be lied to.

And as Trump orders Congress to add TRILLIONs more to the debt, and less than six months into this go-round, you are once again dead silent.

 

[leftwinger]

Look marxist children posting. I could get on a high powered PC with screens, software, dual mouses, spreadsheets, headphones, ultra speed fibre network, anti-glare, stand up desk, hacking help, It support and then obliterate all of you with Facts, dara and post proof you would run to another thread from it.


Final: all debt problems back to 08’ ($28T) are caused by Deep State Congressional Vermin willing to destroy the Country for their short term gains. They want to pick their boss (Obama, Biden Harris) thus making it easier to raid the treasury and collapse America.

You are “in on it” in some fiancial way, working for them or you are too stupid to breathe on your own.

Get off the boards and get off me. //

 

[g5000]

Look marxist children posting. I could get on a high powered PC with screens, software, dual mouses, spreadsheets, headphones, ultra speed fibre network, anti-glare, stand up desk, hacking help, It support and then obliterate all of you with Facts, dara and post proof you would run to another thread from it.


Final: all debt problems back to 08’ ($28T) are caused by Deep State Congressional Vermin willing to destroy the Country for their short term gains. They want to pick their boss (Obama, Biden Harris) thus making it easier to raid the treasury and collapse America.

You are “in on it” in some fiancial way, working for them or you are too stupid to breathe on your own.

Get off the boards and get off me. //

And there's that dead silence about Trump and the organization formerly known as the Republican Party adding debt. There's that willful blindness I have been talking about for years.

Boom.

Now Trump is demanding the debt ceiling be suspended. There is one, and only one, reason a big spender wants the debt ceiling suspended.

Just like the last time it was suspended TWICE while he and the GOP controlled everything.