The Argument For and Against Raising the Minimum Wage to $15/hr

[ZRoberts1991]

I hear a lot of people always discussing whether or not to raise the minimum wage, but it seems like everyone is so one-sided and rarely looks at the other end of the spectrum. I made a video that just stated the clear points that are always emphasized on both sides of the debate. I was wondering what your thoughts were on the points I made and your position on the issue itself?

 

[Iceweasel]

We've been discussing it for some time. The bottom line is that leftist can't grasp economies, only how to stick their hands in others' pockets and cry if it wasn't enough.

 

[Bleipriester]

In America the thinking of the free market is kinda ideological and may not be touched without the threat of communism and evil is being painted on every wall. Reforms are due. How they must look like can only be determined after the situation has been fully gathered and analyzed. The shaping of the reforms must not be influenced by lobby groups or political ideas but by the aforementioned analysis at first. That will surely result in restrictions for the free market but who thinks, the US or other western countries are prepared for the future, is utterly wrong. Our economies are run by the hunt for short term profits that will result in the ruin of them. Each country, according to its own situation, has to establish its own guideline or political idea that can grant the further existence.

The West has only a pitiful smile for China and Russia but it is those countries that sit on mountains of cash while the western hemisphere drowns in debts and social unrest.

 

[Iceweasel]

Yep sure. Let's abandon what made us the greatest nation in the history of the Earth and let's adopt those failing socialist principles to boost us into prosperity.

What a laugh, do you guys ever give any of this any thought?

 

[Bleipriester]

Yep sure. Let's abandon what made us the greatest nation in the history of the Earth and let's adopt those failing socialist principles to boost us into prosperity.

What a laugh, do you guys ever give any of this any thought?

That is exactly what I mean with the previous post´s first sentence. Look, America was made by hard work, not by financial services and anti-socialism affectation just there where is no socialism. When companies turn into anonymous, robot-led and faithless exploiters, something has to be done about it. That has just nothing to do with socialism or capitalism.

 

[Iceweasel]

Yep sure. Let's abandon what made us the greatest nation in the history of the Earth and let's adopt those failing socialist principles to boost us into prosperity.

What a laugh, do you guys ever give any of this any thought?

That is exactly what I mean with the previous post´s first sentence. Look, America was made by hard work, not by financial services and anti-socialism affectation just there where is no socialism. When companies turn into anonymous, robot-led and faithless exploiters, something has to be done about it. That has just nothing to do with socialism or capitalism.

There's no socialism? We have many and it's been growing exponentially. What would you call obamacare? That sure isn't the free market. The problem with health insurance was too much government involvement in the first place.

 

[Bleipriester]

Yep sure. Let's abandon what made us the greatest nation in the history of the Earth and let's adopt those failing socialist principles to boost us into prosperity.

What a laugh, do you guys ever give any of this any thought?

That is exactly what I mean with the previous post´s first sentence. Look, America was made by hard work, not by financial services and anti-socialism affectation just there where is no socialism. When companies turn into anonymous, robot-led and faithless exploiters, something has to be done about it. That has just nothing to do with socialism or capitalism.

There's no socialism? We have many and it's been growing exponentially. What would you call obamacare? That sure isn't the free market. The problem with health insurance was too much government involvement in the first place.

There are laws that tell you what to not to do. Nevertheless, you are a free person, right? Why should that not also apply to companies?
Obamacare is a step in the right decision in my opinion. This is not socialism. In socialism there is no actual health insurance because health is free in socialism.
If you don´t force the better situated into a health insurance, you cannot grant health insurance to the poor because the insurance system would collapse. Rights cannot exist without duties or slavery will be result. That is what society means. Together instead of against each other.

 

[JFish123]

Yep sure. Let's abandon what made us the greatest nation in the history of the Earth and let's adopt those failing socialist principles to boost us into prosperity.

What a laugh, do you guys ever give any of this any thought?

That is exactly what I mean with the previous post´s first sentence. Look, America was made by hard work, not by financial services and anti-socialism affectation just there where is no socialism. When companies turn into anonymous, robot-led and faithless exploiters, something has to be done about it. That has just nothing to do with socialism or capitalism.

There's no socialism? We have many and it's been growing exponentially. What would you call obamacare? That sure isn't the free market. The problem with health insurance was too much government involvement in the first place.

There are laws that tell you what to not to do. Nevertheless, you are a free person, right? Why should that not also apply to companies?
Obamacare is a step in the right decision in my opinion. This is not socialism. In socialism there is no actual health insurance because health is free in socialism.
If you don´t force the better situated into a health insurance, you cannot grant health insurance to the poor because the insurance system would collapse. Rights cannot exist without duties or slavery will be result. That is what society means. Together instead of against each other.

That's the problem with liberals. They want to "force" policies on us for the "betterment of mankind."

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[Bleipriester]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/attachments/imageuploadedbytapatalk1439039002-670254-jpg.46779/

While this is funny indeed and is not completely made up out of thin air, it implies that all the poor are just too lazy. But they are those who have two or three jobs and nevertheless could not afford a health insurance.

 

[Iceweasel]

There are laws that tell you what to not to do. Nevertheless, you are a free person, right? Why should that not also apply to companies?
Obamacare is a step in the right decision in my opinion. This is not socialism. In socialism there is no actual health insurance because health is free in socialism.
If you don´t force the better situated into a health insurance, you cannot grant health insurance to the poor because the insurance system would collapse. Rights cannot exist without duties or slavery will be result. That is what society means. Together instead of against each other.

Who is free? And no, healthcare isn't free anywhere. Nothing is free. That's the main problem with socialism, people think it's free but it costs everyone and not everyone is the same. I should be able to get cheaper health insurance for taking care of myself and living a healthy lifestyle. Socialist programs like obamacare pool me with burger and fries 7 days a week behemoths that sit on their ass all day everyday.

It should be like car insurance, you wrap your car around a tree every year you should pay more.

 

[Bleipriester]

There are laws that tell you what to not to do. Nevertheless, you are a free person, right? Why should that not also apply to companies?
Obamacare is a step in the right decision in my opinion. This is not socialism. In socialism there is no actual health insurance because health is free in socialism.
If you don´t force the better situated into a health insurance, you cannot grant health insurance to the poor because the insurance system would collapse. Rights cannot exist without duties or slavery will be result. That is what society means. Together instead of against each other.

Who is free? And no, healthcare isn't free anywhere. Nothing is free. That's the main problem with socialism, people think it's free but it costs everyone and not everyone is the same. I should be able to get cheaper health insurance for taking care of myself and living a healthy lifestyle. Socialist programs like obamacare pool me with burger and fries 7 days a week behemoths that sit on their ass all day everyday.

It should be like car insurance, you wrap your car around a tree every year you should pay more.

Surely it costs but at least there is no healthcare insurance (and others) taking part of your money for profit. All you pay is the normal taxes. However, it is not about introducing socialism in America. Your other argument is not wrong but has your insurance no bonus programs for people that take care of themselves?

 

[Iceweasel]

Surely it costs but at least there is no healthcare insurance (and others) taking part of your money for profit. All you pay is the normal taxes. However, it is not about introducing socialism in America. Your other argument is not wrong but has your insurance no bonus programs for people that take care of themselves?

Normal taxes, meaning what? We've got the best care available on Earth, that didn't happen because no one worked for a profit. Profit is what drives innovation and competition. It's what made Microsoft what it is. It's what made us great.

Now we're supposed to believe profits are evil and the government has a better way? Where has that happened?

 

[Bleipriester]

Normal taxes, meaning what? We've got the best care available on Earth, that didn't happen because no one worked for a profit. Profit is what drives innovation and competition. It's what made Microsoft what it is. It's what made us great.

Now we're supposed to believe profits are evil and the government has a better way? Where has that happened?

Health should not be a merchandise. While the free market can be largely free in my opinion, basic goods such as certain types of basic food, water, electricity, fuel and health must be harshly controlled by the government. After such a law being implemented, one can enjoy the benefits of the free market in good times and doesn´t have to fear of social security falling apart in bad times. Bad times can even be prevented. Just imagine, how many millions of Americans are depended on food stamps and private give aways and how their number rose since 2008. And what was the cause of the crisis? An unregulated financial services market.

By the way: The health care system in the US is hardly the best in the world. It can compete with Cuba but not with the systems of the other western countries.
World Health Organization s Ranking of the World s Health Systems thepatientfactor.com

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

And what was the cause of the crisis? An unregulated financial services market.

of course thats 100% stupid and liberal. The USSR and Red China were very regulated and 120 million souls slowly starved to death. When China deregulated it instantly eliminated 40% of the world's poverty!
Our financial system was hugely regulated to the point point where Fanny/Freddie held 77% of the subprime Alt A mortgages at the time of the collapse to meet affordable housing goal regulations.

Do you understand?

 

[Bleipriester]

And what was the cause of the crisis? An unregulated financial services market.

of course thats 100% stupid and liberal. The USSR and Red China were very regulated and 120 million souls slowly starved to death. When China deregulated it instantly eliminated 40% of the world's poverty!
Our financial system was hugely regulated to the point point where Fanny/Freddie held 77% of the subprime Alt A mortgages at the time of the collapse to meet affordable housing goal regulations.

Do you understand?

You don´t understand. The situations were completely different. Mao forced farmers to make steel in primitive self-made ovens that did not work. Millions starved to death. Russia faced bad harvests and purchased grain from the USA.

 

[PredFan]

We've been discussing it for some time. The bottom line is that leftist can't grasp economies, only how to stick their hands in others' pockets and cry if it wasn't enough.

And that is the end of this thread.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

You don´t understand. The situations were completely different. Mao forced farmers to make steel in primitive self-made ovens that did not work. Millions starved to death. Russia faced bad harvests and purchased grain from the USA.

yes Mao and Stalin were typical liberal elites who thought they knew best. This is why our liberals spied for them and gave them the bomb !!

Now do you understand?

 

[skookerasbil]

When Work Is Punished The Ongoing Tragedy Of America s Welfare State Zero Hedge

duh

Most of the uninformed zombies think its a no-brainer that a single mother benefits when the minimum wage goes from $10/hr to $15/hr!!

 

[Stephanie]

this is the end Results. so go ahead and call for you and others to be out of a job. what do these Politicians and UNIONS CARE
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[martybegan]

I hear a lot of people always discussing whether or not to raise the minimum wage, but it seems like everyone is so one-sided and rarely looks at the other end of the spectrum. I made a video that just stated the clear points that are always emphasized on both sides of the debate. I was wondering what your thoughts were on the points I made and your position on the issue itself?

An excessive minimum wage separates the value of the labor provided from the increase in value of the product/service given by said labor. The result is cost increases that some products/services cannot afford, lumping more work onto less workers to keep prices level, or automation.

That, and people who used to make $15 an hour on merit, are now lumped in with "minimum wage workers", and will now either demand more pay, or take those easier jobs, pushing out the people worth $8 an hour into unemployment.