The Arctic is already effectively ice free

[IanC]

Hmmmmmmm................ Present Sea Ice in the Arctic is at 3.5 million square kilometers. That is somewhere between to 9th and 7th lowest extent on record. Three to four weeks of melt left to go.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

How much must we reduce CO2 to bring the ice back to it's normal level?

What is the normal level for interglacials?

A side note is the finding of methane consuming bacteria in the Arctic. Not unlike the natural bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill.

 

[Old Rocks]

Now Mr. Crusader Frank, just how to you propose to reduce the level of CO2?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Now Mr. Crusader Frank, just how to you propose to reduce the level of CO2?

I was hoping you have a number between 0 and 400.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hmmmmmmm................ Present Sea Ice in the Arctic is at 3.5 million square kilometers. That is somewhere between to 9th and 7th lowest extent on record. Three to four weeks of melt left to go.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

How much must we reduce CO2 to bring the ice back to it's normal level?

What is the normal level for interglacials?

A side note is the finding of methane consuming bacteria in the Arctic. Not unlike the natural bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill.

Hmmmmmmm................ Present Sea Ice in the Arctic is at 3.5 million square kilometers. That is somewhere between to 9th and 7th lowest extent on record. Three to four weeks of melt left to go.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

How much must we reduce CO2 to bring the ice back to it's normal level?

What is the normal level for interglacials?

A side note is the finding of methane consuming bacteria in the Arctic. Not unlike the natural bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill.

Normal is whatever the AGWCult says it is

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Now Mr. Crusader Frank, just how to you propose to reduce the level of CO2?

Shut down Western Civilization. No one uses gas or oil except the Party leaders.

Got a number for us?

 

[Old Rocks]

Hmmmmmmm................ Present Sea Ice in the Arctic is at 3.5 million square kilometers. That is somewhere between to 9th and 7th lowest extent on record. Three to four weeks of melt left to go.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

How much must we reduce CO2 to bring the ice back to it's normal level?

What is the normal level for interglacials?

A side note is the finding of methane consuming bacteria in the Arctic. Not unlike the natural bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill.

The bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill? Really?

http://www.npr.org/2015/04/20/40037...oil-spill-effects-linger-and-recovery-is-slow

This was one of the most heavily oiled areas during the BP oil spill five years ago. Today, hundreds of tar balls still dot the beach. A BP crew works to clean up a large tar mat from the surf.

"This will be going on, unfortunately, for years," says Marshall.

That's because some of the oil was buried beneath the sand just offshore, and it gets churned up when the surf is rough. Back out on Barataria Bay, Marshall points to where roots jut up in the open water. These used to be mangrove islands.

"The oil coated the roots of those mangrove trees and then they died," Marshall says. "And without the mangroves to hold the islands together, within three years most of those islands were gone."

Louisiana was already losing land at an alarming rate, but scientists confirm that the oil spill accelerated the pace. Barataria Bay has lost key bird nesting islands, andfederal government studies indicate that dolphins here in the bay are sick and dying at a higher rate than normal and show signs of oil poisoning.

Just as the sheer amount of oil prevented the normal biological processing of all the oil, the Arctic methane that is being out gassed from both the permafrost and clathrates is far too large amount for the normal processes to take care of. Flights measuring methane over that region often record amount high up as large as 2150 ppb.

http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hmmmmmmm................ Present Sea Ice in the Arctic is at 3.5 million square kilometers. That is somewhere between to 9th and 7th lowest extent on record. Three to four weeks of melt left to go.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

How much must we reduce CO2 to bring the ice back to it's normal level?

What is the normal level for interglacials?

A side note is the finding of methane consuming bacteria in the Arctic. Not unlike the natural bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill.

The bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill? Really?

5 Years After BP Oil Spill, Effects Linger And Recovery Is Slow

This was one of the most heavily oiled areas during the BP oil spill five years ago. Today, hundreds of tar balls still dot the beach. A BP crew works to clean up a large tar mat from the surf.

"This will be going on, unfortunately, for years," says Marshall.

That's because some of the oil was buried beneath the sand just offshore, and it gets churned up when the surf is rough. Back out on Barataria Bay, Marshall points to where roots jut up in the open water. These used to be mangrove islands.

"The oil coated the roots of those mangrove trees and then they died," Marshall says. "And without the mangroves to hold the islands together, within three years most of those islands were gone."

Louisiana was already losing land at an alarming rate, but scientists confirm that the oil spill accelerated the pace. Barataria Bay has lost key bird nesting islands, andfederal government studies indicate that dolphins here in the bay are sick and dying at a higher rate than normal and show signs of oil poisoning.

Just as the sheer amount of oil prevented the normal biological processing of all the oil, the Arctic methane that is being out gassed from both the permafrost and clathrates is far too large amount for the normal processes to take care of. Flights measuring methane over that region often record amount high up as large as 2150 ppb.

Arctic News

So, no number for CO2 reduction

Just as we suspected, no science, just yap yap

 

[CrusaderFrank]

AGWCult: The Ice is melting cuz of the CO2 Glacier Eating Spaghetti Monster! Look at the Models!!!

Denier: How much do we have to lower CO2 to keep the ice from melting?

AGWCult: The Ice is melting cuz of the CO2 Glacier Eating Spaghetti Monster! Look at the Models!!!

Denier: I was hoping for a number

AGWCult: The Ice is melting cuz of the CO2 Glacier Eating Spaghetti Monster! Look at the Models!!!

Denier: Why are we spending all this money on "Climate research"?

AGWCult: The Ice is melting cuz of the CO2 Glacier Eating Spaghetti Monster! Look at the Models!!!

 

[IanC]

Hmmmmmmm................ Present Sea Ice in the Arctic is at 3.5 million square kilometers. That is somewhere between to 9th and 7th lowest extent on record. Three to four weeks of melt left to go.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

How much must we reduce CO2 to bring the ice back to it's normal level?

What is the normal level for interglacials?

A side note is the finding of methane consuming bacteria in the Arctic. Not unlike the natural bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill.

The bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill? Really?

5 Years After BP Oil Spill, Effects Linger And Recovery Is Slow

This was one of the most heavily oiled areas during the BP oil spill five years ago. Today, hundreds of tar balls still dot the beach. A BP crew works to clean up a large tar mat from the surf.

"This will be going on, unfortunately, for years," says Marshall.

That's because some of the oil was buried beneath the sand just offshore, and it gets churned up when the surf is rough. Back out on Barataria Bay, Marshall points to where roots jut up in the open water. These used to be mangrove islands.

"The oil coated the roots of those mangrove trees and then they died," Marshall says. "And without the mangroves to hold the islands together, within three years most of those islands were gone."

Louisiana was already losing land at an alarming rate, but scientists confirm that the oil spill accelerated the pace. Barataria Bay has lost key bird nesting islands, andfederal government studies indicate that dolphins here in the bay are sick and dying at a higher rate than normal and show signs of oil poisoning.

Just as the sheer amount of oil prevented the normal biological processing of all the oil, the Arctic methane that is being out gassed from both the permafrost and clathrates is far too large amount for the normal processes to take care of. Flights measuring methane over that region often record amount high up as large as 2150 ppb.

Arctic News

So you are saying that the BP oilspill was as problematic as the initial predictions? Hahahahaha. Your ability to revise history is amazing.

Methane levels are far below predicted values, much lower than even the discrepancy between predicted and actual temps (ignoring the massive adjustments which make the predictions somewhat in the ballpark).

 

[jc456]

Hmmmmmmm................ Present Sea Ice in the Arctic is at 3.5 million square kilometers. That is somewhere between to 9th and 7th lowest extent on record. Three to four weeks of melt left to go.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

How much must we reduce CO2 to bring the ice back to it's normal level?

What is the normal level for interglacials?

A side note is the finding of methane consuming bacteria in the Arctic. Not unlike the natural bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill.

The bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill? Really?

5 Years After BP Oil Spill, Effects Linger And Recovery Is Slow

This was one of the most heavily oiled areas during the BP oil spill five years ago. Today, hundreds of tar balls still dot the beach. A BP crew works to clean up a large tar mat from the surf.

"This will be going on, unfortunately, for years," says Marshall.

That's because some of the oil was buried beneath the sand just offshore, and it gets churned up when the surf is rough. Back out on Barataria Bay, Marshall points to where roots jut up in the open water. These used to be mangrove islands.

"The oil coated the roots of those mangrove trees and then they died," Marshall says. "And without the mangroves to hold the islands together, within three years most of those islands were gone."

Louisiana was already losing land at an alarming rate, but scientists confirm that the oil spill accelerated the pace. Barataria Bay has lost key bird nesting islands, andfederal government studies indicate that dolphins here in the bay are sick and dying at a higher rate than normal and show signs of oil poisoning.

Just as the sheer amount of oil prevented the normal biological processing of all the oil, the Arctic methane that is being out gassed from both the permafrost and clathrates is far too large amount for the normal processes to take care of. Flights measuring methane over that region often record amount high up as large as 2150 ppb.

Arctic News

So, no number for CO2 reduction

Just as we suspected, no science, just yap yap

As that Dr dude posted, shuck and jive. It's all they got.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hmmmmmmm................ Present Sea Ice in the Arctic is at 3.5 million square kilometers. That is somewhere between to 9th and 7th lowest extent on record. Three to four weeks of melt left to go.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.area.arctic.png

How much must we reduce CO2 to bring the ice back to it's normal level?

What is the normal level for interglacials?

A side note is the finding of methane consuming bacteria in the Arctic. Not unlike the natural bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill.

The bacteria that consumed the BP oilspill? Really?

5 Years After BP Oil Spill, Effects Linger And Recovery Is Slow

This was one of the most heavily oiled areas during the BP oil spill five years ago. Today, hundreds of tar balls still dot the beach. A BP crew works to clean up a large tar mat from the surf.

"This will be going on, unfortunately, for years," says Marshall.

That's because some of the oil was buried beneath the sand just offshore, and it gets churned up when the surf is rough. Back out on Barataria Bay, Marshall points to where roots jut up in the open water. These used to be mangrove islands.

"The oil coated the roots of those mangrove trees and then they died," Marshall says. "And without the mangroves to hold the islands together, within three years most of those islands were gone."

Louisiana was already losing land at an alarming rate, but scientists confirm that the oil spill accelerated the pace. Barataria Bay has lost key bird nesting islands, andfederal government studies indicate that dolphins here in the bay are sick and dying at a higher rate than normal and show signs of oil poisoning.

Just as the sheer amount of oil prevented the normal biological processing of all the oil, the Arctic methane that is being out gassed from both the permafrost and clathrates is far too large amount for the normal processes to take care of. Flights measuring methane over that region often record amount high up as large as 2150 ppb.

Arctic News

So, no number for CO2 reduction

Just as we suspected, no science, just yap yap

As that Dr dude posted, shuck and jive. It's all they got.

Why are we spending any money on Climate research, they don't seem to do any research

 

[Crick]

Cook found over 12,000 published studies. What makes you think "they don't seem to do any research"?

 

[Billy_Bob]

Water rapidly growing LESS cold

Not with ambient air temps below freezing..

 

[Crick]

I think its entirely possible for ice to continue to melt while air temps fall below freezing. The water temperature would be a much more meaningful measure. When I fill my ice tray with 72F water and pop it in the freezer, the sub-freezing air temp in the freezer does not cause an instantaneous phase change.

What is it exactly about which you say "not with ambient air temps below freezing"? That the Arctic is not already effectively ice-free? If so, I suggest, once again, you actually read the OP's article to see what the author actually intends with that description.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I think its entirely possible for ice to continue to melt while air temps fall below freezing. The water temperature would be a much more meaningful measure. When I fill my ice tray with 72F water and pop it in the freezer, the sub-freezing air temp in the freezer does not cause an instantaneous phase change.

What is it exactly about which you say "not with ambient air temps below freezing"? That the Arctic is not already effectively ice-free? If so, I suggest, once again, you actually read the OP's article to see what the author actually intends with that description.

Heat rises moron. If the water were warmer the ambient temp would be above freezing and it is currently 29 deg F indicating the water is at freeze boarder and not warmer.

 

[Billy_Bob]

proof positive crick is lying outa his ass again..

 

[Billy_Bob]

Funny i have now looked at 7 different data providers and found our arctic temps falling rapidly, not increasing as Crick has said..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Cook found over 12,000 published studies. What makes you think "they don't seem to do any research"?

Slapping each other on the back over the imaginary powers of the CO2 molecule is not research.