The Anarchist Prophets

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As a socialist, I've become accustomed to incessant repetition of mockeries that refer to the failures of Leninism and its derivative of Stalinism in the Soviet Union and derivative of Maoism in China. No matter how many times I attempt to explain that I'm an anarchist and a libertarian, and that the failures of Leninism in fact strengthen anarchist ideology, politically and economically misinformed rightists are seemingly incapable of distinguishing between the pseudo-socialist state capitalism adopted by Leninists and legitimate socialism, that which necessitates actual public ownership and management of the means of production, not mere declaration of such.

With significant factions within the socialist movement now advocating republican market socialism as the way forward after having witnessed the numerous deficiencies of central planning, we should be aware of the fact that it was anarchists who initially identified the problematic nature of authoritarian inclinations within socialist ideology. It was then the anarchists who were persecuted after the state capitalists gained power, and to add insult to injury, anarchists who are now told that all forms of socialism are impossible to implement because of the failures of an ideology that they attacked as anti-socialist even prior to its complete development, offering prescient and desperately needed criticisms of authoritarian "socialism" throughout the nineteenth century and into the twentieth. Elements of this commentary were indeed prophetic in nature, and it's necessary to examine them to determine the role of anarchism in the socialist movement, and whether anarchism is better equipped than Marxism and republican market socialism to lead that movement forward.

This analysis must start with Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, the first person to declare himself an anarchist (in 1840), and a socialist theorist who ensured that the development of anarchism predated the development of Marxism, attacking what he regarded as the authoritarian nature of the socialism advocated by rival Louis Blanc:

[W]hat can there be in common between socialism, that universal protest, and the hotch-potch of old prejudices which make up M. Blanc’s republic? M. Blanc is never tired of appealing to authority, and socialism loudly declares itself anarchistic; M. Blanc places power above society, and socialism tends to subordinate it to society; M. Blanc makes social life descend from above, and socialism maintains that it springs up and grows from below; M. Blanc runs after politics, and socialism is in quest of science. No more hypocrisy, let me say to M. Blanc: you desire neither Catholicism nor monarchy nor nobility, but you must have a God, a religion, a dictatorship, a censorship, a hierarchy, distinctions, and ranks. For my part, I deny your God, your authority, your sovereignty, your judicial State, and all your representative mystifications.

Proudhon's work was published several decades before Marx and Engels were to achieve their ultimate fame, but Proudhon did know Marx and was aware of Marx's criticism of his work, terming it a "tissue of abuse, calumny, falsification and plagiarism," and Marx (or Marxism) "the tapeworm of socialism." Marx's greater libertarian foe, however, was to be the Russian anarchist Mikhail Bakunin, who warned that "If you took the most ardent revolutionary, vested him in absolute power, within a year he would be worse than the Czar himself" and "When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick" decades before the Bolsheviks were to spark the Russian Revolution. Marx himself cannot be entirely blamed for the state capitalist legacy of the USSR, of course (and likely would have disavowed Leninism), but it's worth noting that anarchists predicted that authoritarian elements would be able to base themselves upon Marxist principles and tenets. Bakunin elaborated on this in his 1871 manuscript Statism and Anarchy:

Idealists of all kinds – metaphysicians, positivists, those who support the rule of science over life, doctrinaire revolutionists – all defend the idea of state and state power with equal eloquence, because they see in it, as a consequence of their own systems, the only salvation for society...This fiction of a pseudo-representative government serves to conceal the domination of the masses by a handful of privileged elite; an elite elected by hordes of people who are rounded up and do not know for whom or for what they vote. Upon this artificial and abstract expression of what they falsely imagine to be the will of the people and of which the real living people have not the least idea, they construct both the theory of statism as well as the theory of so-called revolutionary dictatorship.

The differences between revolutionary dictatorship and statism are superficial. Fundamentally they both represent the same principle of minority rule over the majority in the name of the alleged “stupidity” of the latter and the alleged “intelligence” of the former. Therefore they are both equally reactionary since both directly and inevitably must preserve and perpetuate the political and economic privileges of the ruling minority and the political and economic subjugation of the masses of the people.

Now it is clear why the dictatorial revolutionists, who aim to overthrow the existing powers and social structures in order to erect upon their ruins their own dictatorships, never were or will be the enemies of government, but, to the contrary, always will be the most ardent promoters of the government idea. They are the enemies only of contemporary governments, because they wish to replace them. They are the enemies of the present governmental structure, because it excludes the possibility of their dictatorship. At the same time they are the most devoted friends of governmental power. For if the revolution destroyed this power by actually freeing the masses, it would deprive this pseudo-revolutionary minority of any hope to harness the masses in order to make them the beneficiaries of their own government policy.

We have already expressed several times our deep aversion to the theory of Lassalle and Marx, which recommends to the workers, if not as a final ideal at least as the next immediate goal, the founding of a people’s state, which according to their interpretation will be nothing but “the proletariat elevated to the status of the governing class.”

He complemented this with a criticism of Marxist "Communism." (Note that this was the only variety of "communism" existing during his lifetime, and anarchist communism was not to develop until after his death.)

I hate Communism because it is the negation of liberty and because for me humanity is unthinkable without liberty. I am not a Communist, because Communism concentrates and swallows up in itself for the benefit of the State all the forces of society, because it inevitably leads to the concentration of property in the hands of the State.

This statement, again, was issued several decades prior to the Russian Revolution, illustrating a level of prophetic insight on the part of the anarchist theorists that perhaps indicates a similar knowledge of legitimate and positive socialist organization.

Shortly after the Russian Revolution and establishment of the Soviet Union, the anarchist theorist Peter Kropotkin made his many criticisms of the authoritarian nature of Soviet state capitalism known, writing this to Lenin in 1920:

Russia has already become a Soviet Republic only in name. The influx and taking over of the people by the 'party,' that is, predominantly the newcomers (the ideological communists are more in the urban centers), has already destroyed the influence and constructive energy of this promising institution - the soviets. At present, it is the party committees, not the soviets, who rule in Russia. And their organization suffers from the defects of bureaucratic organization. To move away from the current disorder, Russia must return to the creative genius of local forces which, as I see it, can be a factor in the creation of a new life.And the sooner that the necessity of this way is understood, the better. People will then be all the more likely to accept [new] social forms of life. If the present situation continues, the very word 'socialism' will turn into a curse. That is what happened to the conception of equality in France for forty years after the rule of the Jacobins.

This insight is utterly prescient and demonstrates substantial abilities of foresight. Kropotkin knew not only that the state capitalism of Lenin and the Bolsheviks was not "socialist"; he knew that it was in fact anti-socialist, and that its ruinous legacy would generate harsh damage to the socialist movement, creating a "guilt by association" of sorts for even those socialists (such as anarchists), who had quickly and vigilantly condemned the authoritarianism of state capitalism. Similarly opposed to this pseudo-socialism was Emma Goldman, deported from the U.S. to Russia for her political convictions and participation in radical activity, and initially optimistic about the Russian Revolution. This optimism turned to dismay after she witnessed the brutal suppression of the democratically motivated Kronstadt Rebellion in 1921 by the Red Army, and led to her 1923 publication of My Disillusionment in Russia, in which she railed against the nature of dictatorship in the USSR:

The STATE IDEA, the authoritarian principle, has been proven bankrupt by the experience of the Russian Revolution. If I were to sum up my whole argument in one sentence I should say: The inherent tendency of the State is to concentrate, to narrow, and monopolize all social activities; the nature of revolution is, on the contrary, to grow, to broaden, and disseminate itself in ever-wider circles. In other words, the State is institutional and static; revolution is fluent, dynamic. These two tendencies are incompatible and mutually destructive. The State idea killed the Russian Revolution and it must have the same result in all other revolutions, unless the libertarian idea prevail.

Goldman had no ability to know that the Soviet Union would eventually be dissolved many decades later and did not declare it anti-socialist only after its imminent destruction was apparent. She, as with other consistent anarchists, declared the Soviet Union and the authoritarian state capitalism that falsely masqueraded as socialism within it to be tyrannically monstrous and unjust even as it gained greater power:

Witness the tragic condition of Russia. The methods of State centralization have paralyzed individual initiative and effort; the tyranny of the dictatorship has cowed the people into slavish submission and all but extinguished the fires of liberty; organized terrorism has depraved and brutalized the masses and stifled every idealistic aspiration; institutionalized murder has cheapened human life, and all sense of the dignity of man and the value of life has been eliminated; coercion at every step has made effort bitter, labor a punishment, has turned the whole of existence into a scheme of mutual deceit, and has revived the lowest and most brutal instincts of man. A sorry heritage to begin a new life of freedom and brotherhood.

In the mid-to-late 1930's, the world saw the most expansive and important socialist revolution throughout history occur during the Spanish Civil War, as anarchists and libertarian workers organized and collectivized vast areas of land and numerous fixtures throughout Spain, establishing several thousand anarchist collectives among several million inhabitants of Spain, their hub being in the industrialized region of Catalonia and its capital of Barcelona, a city populated by 1.2 million residents. Unfortunately, the exigencies of the situation (a fascist military revolt against the republican government), led union leaders to organize an alliance with authoritarian "socialists" backed by the Soviet Union. These phony socialists considered the social revolution a counterproductive engagement, and moved to sabotage and destroy collectivization efforts through violent force, with Soviet "allies" deliberately depriving anarchist and libertarian Marxist military forces of necessary aid, critically undermining the war effort. The anarcho-syndicalist Rudolf Rocker offered this insighftul analysis into the reasons for this treachery:

For two decades the supporters of Bolshevism have been hammering it into the masses that dictatorship is a vital necessity for the defense of the so-called proletarian interests against the assaults of the counter-revolution and for paving the way for Socialism. They have not advanced the cause of Socialism by this propaganda, but have merely smoothed the way for Fascism in Italy, Germany, and Austria by causing millions of people to forget that dictatorship, the most extreme form of tyranny, can never lead to social liberation. In Russia, the so-called dictatorship of the proletariat has not led to Socialism, but to the domination of a new bureaucracy over the proletariat and the whole people…What the Russian autocrats and their supporters fear most is that the success of libertarian Socialism in Spain might prove to their blind followers that the much vaunted “necessity of a dictatorship” is nothing but one vast fraud which in Russia has led to the despotism of Stalin and is to serve today in Spain to help the counter-revolution to a victory over the revolution of the workers and peasants.

This anarchist criticism has continued to the present day, and saw a remarkable recent expression in Noam Chomsky's 1986 publication of his article The Soviet Union Versus Socialism:

The Leninist antagonism to the most essential features of socialism was evident from the very start. In revolutionary Russia, Soviets and factory committees developed as instruments of struggle and liberation, with many flaws, but with a rich potential. Lenin and Trotsky, upon assuming power, immediately devoted themselves to destroying the liberatory potential of these instruments, establishing the rule of the Party, in practice its Central Committee and its Maximal Leaders -- exactly as Trotsky had predicted years earlier, as Rosa Luxembourg and other left Marxists warned at the time, and as the anarchists had always understood. Not only the masses, but even the Party must be subject to "vigilant control from above," so Trotsky held as he made the transition from revolutionary intellectual to State priest. Before seizing State power, the Bolshevik leadership adopted much of the rhetoric of people who were engaged in the revolutionary struggle from below, but their true commitments were quite different. This was evident before and became crystal clear as they assumed State power in October 1917.

It is thus apparent that anarchists have been at the forefront of criticism of the authoritarian and dictatorial nature of the pseudo-socialism of the Leninist states, and criticized the authoritarian inclinations of Marxism and pre-Marxist socialism long prior to that. With every facet of this analysis in mind, is it reasonable to claim that anarchism and libertarianism (which could include minarchist varieties of socialism, such as forms of libertarian Marxism) represent the future of the socialist movement?
 
A dissertation about "an anarchy" is better regarded a contradiction in terms. Marshall McLuhan had a better sense of an anarchy when he suggested that "The Medium Is The Message," and not the drivel. In the above, each of the commentators is engaged in one or another contention about a civilization with borders, not without them.

In North America, an anarchy is easily best represented by the illegal aliens of the United States, essentially going back and forth, often enough, using the state civilizations as a kind of forest with benefits--ripe for the picking.

What, then, do they lack--if not wealth? Wealth is what they lack.

Widespread Wealth Worldwide has to be thought a pre-condition for an anarchy. An anarchy would not be alleged to be a breeding ground for servitude, for example, either voluntary or involuntary.

Widespread Wealth is an arithmetic trick, just like state civilizations--wherein the rich get richer, and poorer get poorer--is itself an arithmetic trick.

State civilizations invariably fail. Using arithmetic, the civilization failure can be predicted. The civilizations either promotes material prosperity, or it does not. Mostly, recently, they do not--and worldwide.

That is not likely a basis for an anarchy. Notice that the state civilizations do not concede that in fact they don't work. The poor couldn't pay the mortgages, the rich houses came tumbling down.

That is what works(??!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Odd that no one seems to want to admit that the stateless illegals, actually do work(?)!)
 
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Your post is based on the all-too-common fallacy that anarchism involves chaos or disorder. Since self-described anarchists have instead advocated decentralized libertarian socialism since Proudhon's declaration of anarchism in 1840, that's baseless.
 
I prefer to live by the simple mandate of God's punishment upon all mankind...that will exist throughout the expanse of man's physical existence. To survive one must earn that life by the sweat of his brow and take it from the good earth, "........cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of your life. Thorns and bristles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shall thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken; for thou art dust, and unto dust shalt thou return." -- Genesis 3:17-19

With the Christ presenting this eternal truth, "You will always have the poor among you." -- John 12:8. Why does the Christ make such a statement? Poverty comes from a variety of sources; Circumstances, incapacity, and even free will choice.....the majority of the poor, simply choose to be poor as directed by their free will actions. No government can control the conditions that bring about poverty...regardless of the subscribed ideology. These things will continue to happen, and there is nothing that anyone or any government can mandate that will stop nature from taking its course.....unless of course your middle initial is "W".....then you have the inherent power to control the forces of weather. Or St. Al....or "barry" the Messiah.....then you can simply purchase carbon credits, health care, and food stamps on the money borrowed from WE THE PEOPLE...and their Children...and their Children..and their Children's Children..etc. The reality is.....nothing in life is free, SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE must place a spade to the earth in order to preserve life, when you have more potato consumers than potato farmers....it does not take a genius to figure out the ultimate results.
 
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Agna, in your system, is my house MY house? Or is it everyone's?

All variants of socialism involve a distinction between private and possessive property, with private property, on the one hand, involving a monopoly of dictatorial control over a relatively scarce resource that permits the "owner" to deprive others of usage of that resource unless they subordinate themselves under a hierarchical chain of command in the labor market. The capitalist economy is based on coordination between countless arrangements of that nature. Possessive property, conversely, involves ownership of individual items and personal effects; ownership of a watch would be an example of a personal possession, while ownership of a watch factory would be an example of private property.

With Agna, you should be more worried about your daughter than your house. :eek:

Even if that were the case, that would probably be better for the daughter than the Taliban-style strangulation your Rapunzel-length pubes would inflict on her, trannymold. :eusa_whistle:

No government can control the conditions that bring about poverty...regardless of the subscribed ideology.

Considering that I referred to an ideology that involves specifically focused opposition to government, this comment seems rather purposeless. Your position seems weakened further, considering the reality of the early apostles' practice of libertarian communism recorded in Acts 2:44-45: "Now all who believed were together, and had all things in common, 45 and sold their possessions and goods, and divided them among all, as anyone had need."
 
With Agna, you should be more worried about your daughter than your house. :eek:

Even if that were the case, that would probably be better for the daughter than the Taliban-style strangulation your Rapunzel-length pubes would inflict on her, trannymold. :eusa_whistle:

:rofl:

A douchebag with a sense of humor! My kind of guy.

If only you could teach your playpen mate JPukenema a thing or two about humor we'd all be better off for it. :cool:
 
6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

Holy Bible Matthew 7:6
 
Hello Again,

And so it's back to the contradiction in terms! A "decentralized, libertarian, socialism," is about a government, not an anarchy.

And again, the illegal aliens are not about chaos and disorder. And, Widespread Wealth Worldwide is about arithmetic. Post-Proudhon, mathematics is shown, by philosophers who do these things, to be a complete and logical system--therefore of order. Like illegal aliens, mathematics works across borders, even across the border.

"Decentralized governments," "Libertarians," (One of my older friends, who is older like me, is a founder of the Libertarian Party), "Socialists," "Centrists," "Communists," "Nationalists," "Democrats," "Republicans," "Radicals," "Peace and Freedom Party," and then on and on: All have government in mind, and none have Widespread Wealth Worldwide in mind.

The various writers cited, in the OP, did not have Widespread Wealth Worldwide in mind, but did have a socialist, pro-government, bias in mind.

Proudhon, who is dead, is nevertheless associated with the following:

"By the word [anarchy] I wanted to indicate the extreme limit of political progress. Anarchy is... a form of government or constitution in which public and private consciousness, formed through the development of science and law, is alone sufficient to maintain order and guarantee all liberties... The institutions of the police, preventative and repressive methods officialdom, taxation etc., are reduced to a minimum... monarchy and intensive centralization disappear, to be replaced by federal institutions and a pattern of life based upon the commune."

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
("Bias," of course, is now a non-starter in The Colonies. It simply turns out that the Colored Guy has a penchant for careless hair coverings, on the upper lip--apparently. There are even pictures!")
 
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And so it's back to the contradiction in terms! A "decentralized, libertarian, socialism," is about a government, not an anarchy.

As I said, this is merely reversion to a basic fallacy. "Government" is referred to in the sense of a hierarchical and statist organization, not bodies of public management in general. The term "anarchist" has always referred to advocates of a libertarian socialist philosophy as long as it has been used as a self-descriptive term since 1840.

But this thread is not intended for general discussion of anarchism and libertarianism anyway, but merely for discussion of whether those political ideologies should be at the forefront of the socialist movement rather than Marxism or republican market socialism.
 
People who are dead, explaining life to the living, even itself seems less leftist, and more Fascist. U. S. Libertarians often seem to think that government should be intended to promote a particular version of national "liberty," and "freedom," (possibly just like always)!

A Libertarian anarchy, of some kind of commune, is more neighborhood, more similar to the Fascist, nationalist version of socialism--than it is to the left. Widespread differences, made in ghetto-like regions--would not to seem to much different from continents as they are, even in Australia.

Neither the right, nor the left, in the versions posted already--Pretends any concept of Widespread Wealth Wordwide.

The Socialist experience, in the collapsed Eastern Bloc, was itself statistically flawed.

Proudhon himself was not a Greek, of the concept of anti-sovereign and/or anti-ruler, known as an "anarchon," even in ancient times.

Proudhon may be better alleged to have tried to co-opt all of the earth's ancient concepts: Mainly for the sake of anti-semitic, ancient France. This is probably not a fellow that anyone puts behind the wheel of car in Malibu, especially if the dead guy is loaded(?).

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Anyone acknowledges that Libertarians know a thing or two about how "freedom" is set up, using law!".
 
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"We," including everyone else: Are identifying the state-run, fascist economy--as Socialist. Hitler called his state-run economy socialist, the Communists famously called their state-run economies socialist.

Recall that Mussolini, and not the railroad companies: Is credited with having been able to get the trains tp run on time!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
("Government Motors," though it may be called--the government mainly only wants to dictate to it, while it can, and then sell it back. Or Again, Socialism happens where it happens.)
 
"We," including everyone else: Are identifying the state-run, fascist economy--as Socialist. Hitler called his state-run economy socialist, the Communists famously called their state-run economies socialist.

Self-descriptions don't validate those political regimes as legitimately socialist any more than the Soviet-controlled German "Democratic" Republic was legitimately so. In reality, there were and are significantly anti-socialist elements in both fascist and state capitalist ideology.
 
In the same sense that this thread is posted as not being about a discussion of anarchy, but whether or not one particular faction of anti-anarchists, such as the Proudhon factions--ought to be the in the forefront of "the left"--then in that sense the nationalist, socialist, state-run economies are not worth the discussion of what means of propaganda they used to describe their socialism.

The Agnapostate OP appears to finally so-state.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Odd that still so many refrain from discussing the nature of "socialist freedom," post--subsequent the collapse of so many of them!)
 
I asked whether anarchists of the Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin et al. variety ought to be at the forefront of the socialist movement, rather than the Leninists that presently self-identify as socialists, or the non-Leninist Marxists. Really not a difficult concept to understand, from what I can gather.
 
The European Intellectual tradition is a basic non-starter on its face--given events in Europe, and as they play out even now.

Showing the kinds of folks they are is the complete lack of concept of Widespread Wealth Worldwide.

Even Dickens character, Micawber, is the better start. You don't look up a horse's (former or current Harvard Law Professor), for viable solutions to world problems at any time(?)! Even the law itself is easy to understand, not that any of the schools themselves believe that there is any arithmetic in law.

Even the Generals, facing Afghanistan, want popular support, well beyond the law.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(The Economic Miracle of 9/11, is after all, partially owed to the due diligence of the Taliban, allied with the Republican Party, USA--cross-over supporters of Obama!)
 
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Your post is based on the all-too-common fallacy that anarchism involves chaos or disorder. Since self-described anarchists have instead advocated decentralized libertarian socialism since Proudhon's declaration of anarchism in 1840, that's baseless.

Anarchists do not get the right to redefine the meaning of a word.

They ought to change their name to better reflect the form of government they want and getting the word ANARCHIST out of it would be a good move marketing-wise.

What you want is a kind of locally decentralized socialism, not anarchy.
 
X2^!

This below is actually not socialist:

http://www.unsystem.org/

Southern California is at once home to multi-generation Hispanic gangs, and also the former "Bracero" program, which brought the low-wage workers into California, while the Anglos were off doing progressive, construction, education, and basic infra-structure programas(?)! Nixon ran for governor, against the whole thing, was roundly defeated--and set up the Schwazenegger, (stranger than fiction), administration. The Press Corps would not be "Kicking Dick Nixon around anymore." It would take the United States Senate to finally get rid of him.

In history, prior to the Holy Father's Christian Hitler Youth, the Catholic Church had an unrecognized concept, borrowed from the Old Testament, of religious-based Public Works. Israel built The Temple, and the Catholics went overboard with the Cathedrals. It would take a McLuhanite to assess the impact of the newer mass medium on the economic history of enlightenment of of the West, (no pun. . . well, and McLuhan was Catholic). It would "Take A Village," (?), in effect: To Create the local trades of a multi-year, cathedral-building project. In less advanced civilization, there would be an excuse. . . .to evolve into. . . .The more loaded form.

The settling of anything West of the Orginal 13 United States would create a different concept, of co-ops, and including for utilities and health care.

So what does a global and worldwide anarchy look like anyway?

And of course, Firstly, it probably needs Toilets. Public utilities, health care, transports, schools, and currency organizations would easily come next, and in no particular order, in the manner of an anarchy.

*Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Ignorance of the Law, continuing, is no excuse: Excepting, clearly, at the schools!)
 
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