The American Right enters its Hippie phase

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This is so true. Remember radical lefties in the late 60s? This is pretty much today's Party of Trump. The roles have reversed. Brilliant piece from a very conservative writer and website. At least what we USED to consider conservatism.

Kevin Daniel Williamson (born September 18, 1972) is an American conservative political commentator. He is the roving correspondent for National Review.[2]

<snips>

As Democrats embrace authority and Republicans push countercultural revolution, we’re reenacting the 1960s with the roles reversed.
My hunch is that a great deal of what is presently going on with the Right — and it won’t do to pretend it is just a tiny fringe — is an echo of that 1960s counterculture. Republicans have evolved out of their Apollonian sensibility and adopted a Dionysian one just as Democrats have, by and large, made the opposite journey. Today among progressives, it’s “experts say” and “science says,” but not long ago it was, “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson,” in the words of Bernardine Dohrn, who went on to marry William Ayers and become a professor of law at Northwestern as well as a benefactor of Barack Obama.​
Democrats’ overall approach to politics right now is to associate their party and its members with high-status authority figures and to denounce Republicans as insufficiently reverent of these figures, and insufficiently deferential to them. The response of many Republicans has been to subject those authority figures and their institutions — and, in some ways, the idea of authority itself — to ridicule and scorn. They desire to be both outraged and outrageous, high on rage themselves and a source of rage and anxiety in others. Like those of the hippies and, later, the punks, this right-wing tendency is largely outward-focused rather than the expression of some intimate individual sensibility: If the hippies and the punks had been driven by some kind of anarchic individualism, they wouldn’t have all looked alike and listened to the same music. The point wasn’t originality or authenticity — it was to freak out the squares, to vex and offend the mainstream of society, the ’60s and ’70s version of “owning the libs.”​
The leftist radicals of the 1960s were willing to engage in genuinely self-destructive behavior as a sacrifice to the idols they had constructed for themselves. They held science, reason, the government, the business establishment, organized religion, and much else in disdain, along with such notions as compromise, moderation, and cooperation. The contemporary Right also hates the government, the business establishment, much of organized religion, compromise, etc., but instead of LSD and Transcendental Meditation it has hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, absurd mask politics, election trutherism, anti-vaccine activism, 1,001 conspiracy theories, and QAnon.​
It even has its own version of the Manson murders, the five dead after the January 6 sacking of the Capitol only one unborn child short of the six dead at Roman Polanski’s house — both episodes of violence meant as theater for public consumption. This is self-harm, but it is also communicative. It is ceremonial outrage directed at the foundations of respectability per se, a reaction to what many on the right — and here I include myself — experience as an ever-narrower corridor of thinkable thoughts and sayable sentences. In some cases, those who are on the outside looking in discover that they are better pleased to be on the outside looking out — but others prefer to smash the windows, or to perform obscenities in front of them to shock and disgust those seated comfortably inside.​
Obviously, this kind of histrionic, ecstatic, Dionysian politics is ultimately incompatible with conservatism properly understood, though it goes easily hand-in-hand with a particular kind of right-wing revolutionism. Hence the contemporary Right’s promises of revolution and of a Dionysian frenzy presaging a return to innocence, from Ron Paul’s “Revolution” to the Tea Party to “Make America Great Again,” which, as far as right-wing slogans go, at least has the good taste to be properly reactionary. Hence also the cultishness of Republican politics circa 2021: the fever-dream hysteria, the idolatry, the mad quackery and pseudoscientific enthusiasms, and — lest we forget — the violence. In 2000, the “Brooks Brothers Riot” was a joke — in 2021, the riot was for real, and some on the right are starting to get a taste for it.​
Where and how this ends, I do not know. But if there were such a thing as stock in cults, I’d be long on those and short on most of what we understood to be conservatism until the day before yesterday.​

Full:

 
This is so true. Remember radical lefties in the late 60s? This is pretty much today's Party of Trump. The roles have reversed. Brilliant piece from a very conservative writer and website. At least what we USED to consider conservatism.

Kevin Daniel Williamson (born September 18, 1972) is an American conservative political commentator. He is the roving correspondent for National Review.[2]

<snips>

As Democrats embrace authority and Republicans push countercultural revolution, we’re reenacting the 1960s with the roles reversed.
My hunch is that a great deal of what is presently going on with the Right — and it won’t do to pretend it is just a tiny fringe — is an echo of that 1960s counterculture. Republicans have evolved out of their Apollonian sensibility and adopted a Dionysian one just as Democrats have, by and large, made the opposite journey. Today among progressives, it’s “experts say” and “science says,” but not long ago it was, “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson,” in the words of Bernardine Dohrn, who went on to marry William Ayers and become a professor of law at Northwestern as well as a benefactor of Barack Obama.​
Democrats’ overall approach to politics right now is to associate their party and its members with high-status authority figures and to denounce Republicans as insufficiently reverent of these figures, and insufficiently deferential to them. The response of many Republicans has been to subject those authority figures and their institutions — and, in some ways, the idea of authority itself — to ridicule and scorn. They desire to be both outraged and outrageous, high on rage themselves and a source of rage and anxiety in others. Like those of the hippies and, later, the punks, this right-wing tendency is largely outward-focused rather than the expression of some intimate individual sensibility: If the hippies and the punks had been driven by some kind of anarchic individualism, they wouldn’t have all looked alike and listened to the same music. The point wasn’t originality or authenticity — it was to freak out the squares, to vex and offend the mainstream of society, the ’60s and ’70s version of “owning the libs.”​
The leftist radicals of the 1960s were willing to engage in genuinely self-destructive behavior as a sacrifice to the idols they had constructed for themselves. They held science, reason, the government, the business establishment, organized religion, and much else in disdain, along with such notions as compromise, moderation, and cooperation. The contemporary Right also hates the government, the business establishment, much of organized religion, compromise, etc., but instead of LSD and Transcendental Meditation it has hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, absurd mask politics, election trutherism, anti-vaccine activism, 1,001 conspiracy theories, and QAnon.​
It even has its own version of the Manson murders, the five dead after the January 6 sacking of the Capitol only one unborn child short of the six dead at Roman Polanski’s house — both episodes of violence meant as theater for public consumption. This is self-harm, but it is also communicative. It is ceremonial outrage directed at the foundations of respectability per se, a reaction to what many on the right — and here I include myself — experience as an ever-narrower corridor of thinkable thoughts and sayable sentences. In some cases, those who are on the outside looking in discover that they are better pleased to be on the outside looking out — but others prefer to smash the windows, or to perform obscenities in front of them to shock and disgust those seated comfortably inside.​
Obviously, this kind of histrionic, ecstatic, Dionysian politics is ultimately incompatible with conservatism properly understood, though it goes easily hand-in-hand with a particular kind of right-wing revolutionism. Hence the contemporary Right’s promises of revolution and of a Dionysian frenzy presaging a return to innocence, from Ron Paul’s “Revolution” to the Tea Party to “Make America Great Again,” which, as far as right-wing slogans go, at least has the good taste to be properly reactionary. Hence also the cultishness of Republican politics circa 2021: the fever-dream hysteria, the idolatry, the mad quackery and pseudoscientific enthusiasms, and — lest we forget — the violence. In 2000, the “Brooks Brothers Riot” was a joke — in 2021, the riot was for real, and some on the right are starting to get a taste for it.​
Where and how this ends, I do not know. But if there were such a thing as stock in cults, I’d be long on those and short on most of what we understood to be conservatism until the day before yesterday.​

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Damn, don’t tell those in Seattle that participated in a “summer of love” in the “autonomous zone” Communist utopia set up by left-wing extremists .
 
This is so true. Remember radical lefties in the late 60s? This is pretty much today's Party of Trump. The roles have reversed. Brilliant piece from a very conservative writer and website. At least what we USED to consider conservatism.

Kevin Daniel Williamson (born September 18, 1972) is an American conservative political commentator. He is the roving correspondent for National Review.[2]

<snips>

As Democrats embrace authority and Republicans push countercultural revolution, we’re reenacting the 1960s with the roles reversed.
My hunch is that a great deal of what is presently going on with the Right — and it won’t do to pretend it is just a tiny fringe — is an echo of that 1960s counterculture. Republicans have evolved out of their Apollonian sensibility and adopted a Dionysian one just as Democrats have, by and large, made the opposite journey. Today among progressives, it’s “experts say” and “science says,” but not long ago it was, “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson,” in the words of Bernardine Dohrn, who went on to marry William Ayers and become a professor of law at Northwestern as well as a benefactor of Barack Obama.​
Democrats’ overall approach to politics right now is to associate their party and its members with high-status authority figures and to denounce Republicans as insufficiently reverent of these figures, and insufficiently deferential to them. The response of many Republicans has been to subject those authority figures and their institutions — and, in some ways, the idea of authority itself — to ridicule and scorn. They desire to be both outraged and outrageous, high on rage themselves and a source of rage and anxiety in others. Like those of the hippies and, later, the punks, this right-wing tendency is largely outward-focused rather than the expression of some intimate individual sensibility: If the hippies and the punks had been driven by some kind of anarchic individualism, they wouldn’t have all looked alike and listened to the same music. The point wasn’t originality or authenticity — it was to freak out the squares, to vex and offend the mainstream of society, the ’60s and ’70s version of “owning the libs.”​
The leftist radicals of the 1960s were willing to engage in genuinely self-destructive behavior as a sacrifice to the idols they had constructed for themselves. They held science, reason, the government, the business establishment, organized religion, and much else in disdain, along with such notions as compromise, moderation, and cooperation. The contemporary Right also hates the government, the business establishment, much of organized religion, compromise, etc., but instead of LSD and Transcendental Meditation it has hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, absurd mask politics, election trutherism, anti-vaccine activism, 1,001 conspiracy theories, and QAnon.​
It even has its own version of the Manson murders, the five dead after the January 6 sacking of the Capitol only one unborn child short of the six dead at Roman Polanski’s house — both episodes of violence meant as theater for public consumption. This is self-harm, but it is also communicative. It is ceremonial outrage directed at the foundations of respectability per se, a reaction to what many on the right — and here I include myself — experience as an ever-narrower corridor of thinkable thoughts and sayable sentences. In some cases, those who are on the outside looking in discover that they are better pleased to be on the outside looking out — but others prefer to smash the windows, or to perform obscenities in front of them to shock and disgust those seated comfortably inside.​
Obviously, this kind of histrionic, ecstatic, Dionysian politics is ultimately incompatible with conservatism properly understood, though it goes easily hand-in-hand with a particular kind of right-wing revolutionism. Hence the contemporary Right’s promises of revolution and of a Dionysian frenzy presaging a return to innocence, from Ron Paul’s “Revolution” to the Tea Party to “Make America Great Again,” which, as far as right-wing slogans go, at least has the good taste to be properly reactionary. Hence also the cultishness of Republican politics circa 2021: the fever-dream hysteria, the idolatry, the mad quackery and pseudoscientific enthusiasms, and — lest we forget — the violence. In 2000, the “Brooks Brothers Riot” was a joke — in 2021, the riot was for real, and some on the right are starting to get a taste for it.​
Where and how this ends, I do not know. But if there were such a thing as stock in cults, I’d be long on those and short on most of what we understood to be conservatism until the day before yesterday.​

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This is so true. Remember radical lefties in the late 60s? This is pretty much today's Party of Trump. The roles have reversed. Brilliant piece from a very conservative writer and website. At least what we USED to consider conservatism.

Kevin Daniel Williamson (born September 18, 1972) is an American conservative political commentator. He is the roving correspondent for National Review.[2]

<snips>

As Democrats embrace authority and Republicans push countercultural revolution, we’re reenacting the 1960s with the roles reversed.
My hunch is that a great deal of what is presently going on with the Right — and it won’t do to pretend it is just a tiny fringe — is an echo of that 1960s counterculture. Republicans have evolved out of their Apollonian sensibility and adopted a Dionysian one just as Democrats have, by and large, made the opposite journey. Today among progressives, it’s “experts say” and “science says,” but not long ago it was, “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson,” in the words of Bernardine Dohrn, who went on to marry William Ayers and become a professor of law at Northwestern as well as a benefactor of Barack Obama.​
Democrats’ overall approach to politics right now is to associate their party and its members with high-status authority figures and to denounce Republicans as insufficiently reverent of these figures, and insufficiently deferential to them. The response of many Republicans has been to subject those authority figures and their institutions — and, in some ways, the idea of authority itself — to ridicule and scorn. They desire to be both outraged and outrageous, high on rage themselves and a source of rage and anxiety in others. Like those of the hippies and, later, the punks, this right-wing tendency is largely outward-focused rather than the expression of some intimate individual sensibility: If the hippies and the punks had been driven by some kind of anarchic individualism, they wouldn’t have all looked alike and listened to the same music. The point wasn’t originality or authenticity — it was to freak out the squares, to vex and offend the mainstream of society, the ’60s and ’70s version of “owning the libs.”​
The leftist radicals of the 1960s were willing to engage in genuinely self-destructive behavior as a sacrifice to the idols they had constructed for themselves. They held science, reason, the government, the business establishment, organized religion, and much else in disdain, along with such notions as compromise, moderation, and cooperation. The contemporary Right also hates the government, the business establishment, much of organized religion, compromise, etc., but instead of LSD and Transcendental Meditation it has hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, absurd mask politics, election trutherism, anti-vaccine activism, 1,001 conspiracy theories, and QAnon.​
It even has its own version of the Manson murders, the five dead after the January 6 sacking of the Capitol only one unborn child short of the six dead at Roman Polanski’s house — both episodes of violence meant as theater for public consumption. This is self-harm, but it is also communicative. It is ceremonial outrage directed at the foundations of respectability per se, a reaction to what many on the right — and here I include myself — experience as an ever-narrower corridor of thinkable thoughts and sayable sentences. In some cases, those who are on the outside looking in discover that they are better pleased to be on the outside looking out — but others prefer to smash the windows, or to perform obscenities in front of them to shock and disgust those seated comfortably inside.​
Obviously, this kind of histrionic, ecstatic, Dionysian politics is ultimately incompatible with conservatism properly understood, though it goes easily hand-in-hand with a particular kind of right-wing revolutionism. Hence the contemporary Right’s promises of revolution and of a Dionysian frenzy presaging a return to innocence, from Ron Paul’s “Revolution” to the Tea Party to “Make America Great Again,” which, as far as right-wing slogans go, at least has the good taste to be properly reactionary. Hence also the cultishness of Republican politics circa 2021: the fever-dream hysteria, the idolatry, the mad quackery and pseudoscientific enthusiasms, and — lest we forget — the violence. In 2000, the “Brooks Brothers Riot” was a joke — in 2021, the riot was for real, and some on the right are starting to get a taste for it.​
Where and how this ends, I do not know. But if there were such a thing as stock in cults, I’d be long on those and short on most of what we understood to be conservatism until the day before yesterday.​

Full:

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This is so true. Remember radical lefties in the late 60s? This is pretty much today's Party of Trump. The roles have reversed. Brilliant piece from a very conservative writer and website. At least what we USED to consider conservatism.

Kevin Daniel Williamson (born September 18, 1972) is an American conservative political commentator. He is the roving correspondent for National Review.[2]

<snips>

As Democrats embrace authority and Republicans push countercultural revolution, we’re reenacting the 1960s with the roles reversed.
My hunch is that a great deal of what is presently going on with the Right — and it won’t do to pretend it is just a tiny fringe — is an echo of that 1960s counterculture. Republicans have evolved out of their Apollonian sensibility and adopted a Dionysian one just as Democrats have, by and large, made the opposite journey. Today among progressives, it’s “experts say” and “science says,” but not long ago it was, “Offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives, and then eating a meal in the same room, far out! The Weathermen dig Charles Manson,” in the words of Bernardine Dohrn, who went on to marry William Ayers and become a professor of law at Northwestern as well as a benefactor of Barack Obama.​
Democrats’ overall approach to politics right now is to associate their party and its members with high-status authority figures and to denounce Republicans as insufficiently reverent of these figures, and insufficiently deferential to them. The response of many Republicans has been to subject those authority figures and their institutions — and, in some ways, the idea of authority itself — to ridicule and scorn. They desire to be both outraged and outrageous, high on rage themselves and a source of rage and anxiety in others. Like those of the hippies and, later, the punks, this right-wing tendency is largely outward-focused rather than the expression of some intimate individual sensibility: If the hippies and the punks had been driven by some kind of anarchic individualism, they wouldn’t have all looked alike and listened to the same music. The point wasn’t originality or authenticity — it was to freak out the squares, to vex and offend the mainstream of society, the ’60s and ’70s version of “owning the libs.”​
The leftist radicals of the 1960s were willing to engage in genuinely self-destructive behavior as a sacrifice to the idols they had constructed for themselves. They held science, reason, the government, the business establishment, organized religion, and much else in disdain, along with such notions as compromise, moderation, and cooperation. The contemporary Right also hates the government, the business establishment, much of organized religion, compromise, etc., but instead of LSD and Transcendental Meditation it has hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, absurd mask politics, election trutherism, anti-vaccine activism, 1,001 conspiracy theories, and QAnon.​
It even has its own version of the Manson murders, the five dead after the January 6 sacking of the Capitol only one unborn child short of the six dead at Roman Polanski’s house — both episodes of violence meant as theater for public consumption. This is self-harm, but it is also communicative. It is ceremonial outrage directed at the foundations of respectability per se, a reaction to what many on the right — and here I include myself — experience as an ever-narrower corridor of thinkable thoughts and sayable sentences. In some cases, those who are on the outside looking in discover that they are better pleased to be on the outside looking out — but others prefer to smash the windows, or to perform obscenities in front of them to shock and disgust those seated comfortably inside.​
Obviously, this kind of histrionic, ecstatic, Dionysian politics is ultimately incompatible with conservatism properly understood, though it goes easily hand-in-hand with a particular kind of right-wing revolutionism. Hence the contemporary Right’s promises of revolution and of a Dionysian frenzy presaging a return to innocence, from Ron Paul’s “Revolution” to the Tea Party to “Make America Great Again,” which, as far as right-wing slogans go, at least has the good taste to be properly reactionary. Hence also the cultishness of Republican politics circa 2021: the fever-dream hysteria, the idolatry, the mad quackery and pseudoscientific enthusiasms, and — lest we forget — the violence. In 2000, the “Brooks Brothers Riot” was a joke — in 2021, the riot was for real, and some on the right are starting to get a taste for it.​
Where and how this ends, I do not know. But if there were such a thing as stock in cults, I’d be long on those and short on most of what we understood to be conservatism until the day before yesterday.​

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In a way sure.

It is not specific to trumpies however. They are fringe and disappearing with trump who is a has been and no longer important.

The fact is however that for a long time now the left wing has been dominant in many areas such as media. entertainment and universities. They are the new establishment. This makes right wingers, even mild right wingers, the new anti establishment people.

Ldeft wingers deny this however claiming that they are the ones fighting the status quo when they are the ones defending it by trying to suppress the speech of those they disagree with.
 
Anti-government
Anti-science
Anti-society

Tribal conformity
Desire to be outlandish

Yea...he nailed you

QAnon is your version of transendental meditation
 
Anti-government
Anti-science
Anti-society

Tribal conformity
Desire to be outlandish

Yea...he nailed you

QAnon is your version of transendental meditation

Da fuq. Lol @ outlandish....seen those leftist trannies lately?

. I'd say more but you're quick on the report thingy. Think we don't know?
 
They're just pushing the "left" leaning men out of the democratic coalition. Especially civil libertarians. I don't care about economic freedoms all that much, pretty centrist. But basic civil liberties used to be where the left was strong.

The side that promotes civil liberties is always going to be the one that is a bit out there. Other side are the conformers who don't care about civil liberties becuase they figure their behavior is always well within acceptable norms anyway, most obviously speech.
 
Anti-government
Anti-science
Anti-society

Tribal conformity
Desire to be outlandish

Yea...he nailed you

QAnon is your version of transendental meditation
He described many people left and right.

The left is far more tribal and anti science. They are anti government if it suits them.

Anti society is meaningless as no one is pro society to the poinbt of self sacrifice and society is just a vague idea.
 
In a way sure.

It is not specific to trumpies however. They are fringe and disappearing with trump who is a has been and no longer important.

The fact is however that for a long time now the left wing has been dominant in many areas such as media. entertainment and universities. They are the new establishment. This makes right wingers, even mild right wingers, the new anti establishment people.

Ldeft wingers deny this however claiming that they are the ones fighting the status quo when they are the ones defending it by trying to suppress the speech of those they disagree with.

Thoughtful response - Was hoping to get at least one. However the claim that lefties control the media is laughable. Fox, OAN, Newsmax dominate cable news and extreme right wing propaganda sites like Gateway Pundit, PJ Media, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Epoch Times, RT, The Blaze, WorldNetDaily, Town Hall, and American Thinker get FAR more hits than liberal sites like HuffPo and Mother Jones.

And who's trying to suppress speech? Honestly, I don't get it.
 
Thoughtful response - Was hoping to get at least one. However the claim that lefties control the media is laughable. Fox, OAN, Newsmax dominate cable news and extreme right wing propaganda sites like Gateway Pundit, PJ Media, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Epoch Times, RT, The Blaze, WorldNetDaily, Town Hall, and American Thinker get FAR more hits than liberal sites like HuffPo and Mother Jones.

And who's trying to suppress speech? Honestly, I don't get it.

The center left dominates media.

Anyone denying that is insane.

Fox has the more successful model. That doesn't mean they have more eyeballs. The two most prominent papers in America? Controlled by center left WaPo and NYT. 3 broadcast networks? NBC, CBS, ABC all center left. Twitter, facebook, google.

What the fuck are you talking about? lol

As we bifricate by education and gender (more women than men are well educated in 2021). Of course the left is going to take over. They're the ones with the degrees. Journalists used to be the sons of plumbers. Now they're the sons of our elite.
 
Anti-government
Anti-science
Anti-society

Tribal conformity
Desire to be outlandish

Yea...he nailed you

QAnon is your version of transendental meditation
Exactly ^ They have much more in common with Bill Ayers, Weather Underground, and 60s counter-culture than they would care to admit.
 
Thoughtful response - Was hoping to get at least one. However the claim that lefties control the media is laughable. Fox, OAN, Newsmax dominate cable news and extreme right wing propaganda sites like Gateway Pundit, PJ Media, Breitbart, Daily Caller, Epoch Times, RT, The Blaze, WorldNetDaily, Town Hall, and American Thinker get FAR more hits than liberal sites like HuffPo and Mother Jones.

And who's trying to suppress speech? Honestly, I don't get it.
OAN and Newsmax are fringe and dominate nothing. FOX is big but the ONLY right leaning news outlet. The rest of the media is massively left wing and has been for decades.

BLM ANTIFA violently suppress speech. Youtube, Facebook virtually all social media restrictys it on their platforms and in a sgtriclty martisan manner. Universities suppress it heavily going so far as restricting it to small isolated areas.

The left used to celebrate free speech in the sixties but now turn against it.
 
OAN and Newsmax are fringe and dominate nothing. FOX is big but the ONLY right leaning news outlet. The rest of the media is massively left wing and has been for decades.

BLM ANTIFA violently suppress speech. Youtube, Facebook virtually all social media restrictys it on their platforms and in a sgtriclty martisan manner. Universities suppress it heavily going so far as restricting it to small isolated areas.

The left used to celebrate free speech in the sixties but now turn against it.
Disagree - Conservatives also dominate social media including Facebook. And NO ONE is suppressing free speech. That's a RW faux outrage canard.

 
Disagree - Conservatives also dominate social media including Facebook. And NO ONE is suppressing free speech. That's a RW faux outrage canard.

No they dont and yes it does. Zuckerberg openly acknowledges his company is not allowoing posts they disagree with which of course means of a political nature. Specifically right wing ideas they oppose. That is fact
 

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