Thanks Barack 3 West Virginia Coal Plants to Close

[Oddball]

So we can safely assume you don't think USA drinking water supplies should be regulated because it's "regulatory overreach" to ensure safe drinking water for our citizens. We'll just let companies fill up any regular old water they can find. The consumers will decide by what kills them or not!

What an idiot.

If it wasn't for the EPA, then the water utility would poison us all. Isn't that what you believe? And you also believe that food companies are happy to sell products that will kill their customers or make them ill.

Libturds are so stupid it defies belief.

Prior to the EPA, thousands of companies were allowed to dump whatever they wanted into the air or waterways. Swamps were useless land. Companies took the path of least resistance. It was easier to burn it or dump it than to be accountable for your hazardous byproducts

And states & localities did absolutely nothing to end these practices, did they?

 

[bripat9643]

Prior to the EPA, thousands of companies were allowed to dump whatever they wanted into the air or waterways. Swamps were useless land. Companies took the path of least resistance. It was easier to burn it or dump it than to be accountable for your hazardous byproducts

And states & localities did absolutely nothing to end these practices, did they?

States and localities were dumping untreated sewage directly into rivers and streams.

 

[The T]

Little Jacky Boy...

It's not about desire to kill people, it's about ineptitude, bottom line and more. Do you even KNOW what the water and food quality was like before the EPA?

Educate yourself, sonny.

Nixon create the EPA in 1970. Please find us some examples of people dying from the water they drank prior to that.

The EPA doesn't regulate food quality. However, you also won't find any examples of people dying from contaminated food prior to the creation of the FDA or the USDA.

I wanna see THAT death certificate! Cause of death "Drank the water".

But then were they in Mexico? That would preclude Montezuma's revenge though...

 

[Peach]

The companies COULD comply with safety regs, or does SAGO not ring a bell? That company lost more than they would have spent complying with regulations enacted BEFORE Obama was President.

We're discussing coal fired power plants, not coal mines.

Try to focus.

I see a child giving a finger; a lot of focus THERE. Note that FirstEnergy has more profitable options. And toxic emissions can many more than at the plants. SAGO was an example of ignorance in self policing; FirstEnergy would not be closing were it not for better profits in other areas. Blame the lost jobs on the CAUSE.

 

[Peach]

These old plants need to be retired.

FirstEnergy found more profitable endeavors:
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Last month, when FirstEnergy Corp. decided to close six coal-fired power plants in its home state of Ohio and two other states, the moves became instant political ammunition for Republicans, who blamed the Obama administration’s environmental regulations for the closures.

Because of the regulations on toxic power plant emissions announced last month by U.S. EPA, “500 hardworking Americans in three states will lose their jobs — not to mention the countless indirect jobs,” asserted Rep. Bill Johnson (R-Ohio).

But the causes for the closures were not quite as simple or as immediate as that. Other forces helped push the FirstEnergy plants to the brink, according to energy experts. They include an underperforming U.S. economy, which is suppressing growth of electricity demand, and the lowest natural gas prices in a dozen years, which have made new gas-fired generation a compelling choice for utilities.

Plus, there are offsetting benefits. They begin with the potential for many more jobs in drilling, pipelines, steel, tools, chemicals and related industries — employment that will be created thanks to the surge in development of natural gas from the Utica and Marcellus shale deposits running underneath the state’s east side. The benefits also include a substantial reduction in health threats caused by the toxic emissions, EPA says.

 

[Big Fitz]

Prior to the EPA, thousands of companies were allowed to dump whatever they wanted into the air or waterways. Swamps were useless land. Companies took the path of least resistance. It was easier to burn it or dump it than to be accountable for your hazardous byproducts

And states & localities did absolutely nothing to end these practices, did they?

States and localities were dumping untreated sewage directly into rivers and streams.

Back in the day, before the EPA came around my grandfather told me you could tell what color of paper the mills were making on the Fox River by the color of the water. I spent time at a pulp mill where the waste product used to be dumped directly in the river. Now they go into 2 1.5 million gallon reclamation ponds... at least the waste water does. Smells to high heaven, but the EPA says it won't kill you. Just make you wish you were dead. The pure shit in the mill will kill you though if you drink it. Nothing like an MSDS chart of 4/4/3 "Cancer Risk" to make you sit up and take notice.

A reasonable regulation would be to say they can't just dump that shit into the river, recycle it as much as you can and dispose of the rest safely. An unreasonable one would be saying that you can't even SMELL the stuff or banning it completely.

Somewhere in there is an equilibrium point.

 

[Oddball]

Prior to the EPA, thousands of companies were allowed to dump whatever they wanted into the air or waterways. Swamps were useless land. Companies took the path of least resistance. It was easier to burn it or dump it than to be accountable for your hazardous byproducts

And states & localities did absolutely nothing to end these practices, did they?

States and localities were dumping untreated sewage directly into rivers and streams.

Yes they were, which does bring a certain (albeit small) measure of federal jurisdiction, as rivers were the interstate highways of yesteryear.

That said, states and localities were already banning open trash burning, adopting airshed regs, water and sewage treatment standards, etcetera, long before 1970.

 

[Cowman]

If it wasn't for the EPA, then the water utility would poison us all. Isn't that what you believe? And you also believe that food companies are happy to sell products that will kill their customers or make them ill.

Libturds are so stupid it defies belief.

Prior to the EPA, thousands of companies were allowed to dump whatever they wanted into the air or waterways. Swamps were useless land. Companies took the path of least resistance. It was easier to burn it or dump it than to be accountable for your hazardous byproducts

Again, can you produce evidence of anyone dying from contaminated drinking water prior to 1970? Contaminated food?

How about the Cholera Epidemics early 1900's and prior for starters... which really got the asses of states to pass drinking water legislation and regulations very similar to the EPA? It's precisely because of our history with water and food quality and the illnesses they cause that we have the EPA and FDA to regulate on a federal level.

 

[Peach]

Acountants? They'd run an old plant that into the ground with only profitability as a guide. The right likes to talk about values, but want us ignore the fact that there's nothing inherently moral about the bottom line.

BS You lying turd.

People also understand you must maintain equipment to continue to make money.

This order came from Obama in his campaign promise so **** off.

They weren't ordered to close, they were ordered to clean up. They CHOSE to close up rather than clean up.

The company decided the current market was better in other areas.

 

[CaughtInTheMid]

If it wasn't for the EPA, then the water utility would poison us all. Isn't that what you believe? And you also believe that food companies are happy to sell products that will kill their customers or make them ill.

Libturds are so stupid it defies belief.

Prior to the EPA, thousands of companies were allowed to dump whatever they wanted into the air or waterways. Swamps were useless land. Companies took the path of least resistance. It was easier to burn it or dump it than to be accountable for your hazardous byproducts

Again, can you produce evidence of anyone dying from contaminated drinking water prior to 1970? Contaminated food?

this case is fascinating and very sad for those stationed at Camp Lejeune from the '50s thru the late '80s. i've been following it for years.

Camp Lejeune water contamination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The T]

And states & localities did absolutely nothing to end these practices, did they?

States and localities were dumping untreated sewage directly into rivers and streams.

Back in the day, before the EPA came around my grandfather told me you could tell what color of paper the mills were making on the Fox River by the color of the water. I spent time at a pulp mill where the waste product used to be dumped directly in the river. Now they go into 2 1.5 million gallon reclamation ponds... at least the waste water does. Smells to high heaven, but the EPA says it won't kill you. Just make you wish you were dead. The pure shit in the mill will kill you though if you drink it. Nothing like an MSDS chart of 4/4/3 "Cancer Risk" to make you sit up and take notice.

A reasonable regulation would be to say they can't just dump that shit into the river, recycle it as much as you can and dispose of the rest safely. An unreasonable one would be saying that you can't even SMELL the stuff or banning it completely.

Somewhere in there is an equilibrium point.

Such is the Rice Creek that feeds the St. John's River South Of Jacksonville, FL...

LINK

 

[Oddball]

And states & localities did absolutely nothing to end these practices, did they?

States and localities were dumping untreated sewage directly into rivers and streams.

Back in the day, before the EPA came around my grandfather told me you could tell what color of paper the mills were making on the Fox River by the color of the water. I spent time at a pulp mill where the waste product used to be dumped directly in the river. Now they go into 2 1.5 million gallon reclamation ponds... at least the waste water does. Smells to high heaven, but the EPA says it won't kill you. Just make you wish you were dead. The pure shit in the mill will kill you though if you drink it. Nothing like an MSDS chart of 4/4/3 "Cancer Risk" to make you sit up and take notice.

A reasonable regulation would be to say they can't just dump that shit into the river, recycle it as much as you can and dispose of the rest safely. An unreasonable one would be saying that you can't even SMELL the stuff or banning it completely.

Somewhere in there is an equilibrium point.

Something far better suited for the WS EPA & DNR than the feds.

 

[Peach]

And states & localities did absolutely nothing to end these practices, did they?

States and localities were dumping untreated sewage directly into rivers and streams.

Yes they were, which does bring a certain (albeit small) measure of federal jurisdiction, as rivers were the interstate highways of yesteryear.

That said, states and localities were already banning open trash burning, adopting airshed regs, water and sewage treatment standards, etcetera, long before 1970.

The problems LOCAL enforcement is expensive for the localities; Code Enforcement violations, in my state, create small liens on properties. Small local governments cannot afford to enforce regulations.

 

[Oddball]

Prior to the EPA, thousands of companies were allowed to dump whatever they wanted into the air or waterways. Swamps were useless land. Companies took the path of least resistance. It was easier to burn it or dump it than to be accountable for your hazardous byproducts

Again, can you produce evidence of anyone dying from contaminated drinking water prior to 1970? Contaminated food?

this case is fascinating and very sad for those stationed at Camp Lejeune from the '50s thru the late '80s. i've been following it for years.

Camp Lejeune water contamination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which brings up another salient point...

The #1 source of industrial pollution and hazardous waste in the nation: The District of Columbia Corporation.

Now, somehow or another, we're supposed to sit back and let them tell the rest of us how we may or may not run our businesses, run our farms, heat and light our homes, where we can or can't place structures....

 

[Peach]

Thanks Barack… 3 West Virginia Coal Plants to Close | The Gateway Pundit

Three West Virginia coal plants just announced they will close this year. Metro News reported: Ohio based FirstEnergy Corporation announces it will close three coal fired power plants in West Virginia by this fall. The closings come directly from the impact of new federal EPA regulations. The plants to close are Albright Power Station, Willow Island Power Station, and the Rivesville Power Station. The company says 105 employees will be directly impacted. The three plants produce 660 megawatts and about 3-percent of FirstEnergy’s total generation. In recent years, the plants served as “peaking facilities” and generated power during times of...

More FACTS for CONs, FirstEnergy ea windfall from closing the plants:

(AP) NEW YORK — Instead of complaining about clean air rules, maybe utilities should cheer them.

Sometimes, the rules lead to big gains.

First Energy, a utility based in Ohio, got such a boost Thursday, a week after the company announced it would close six coal-fired plants, blaming new federal rules aimed at slowing emissions of mercury and other toxins.

Without these plants, electricity prices in parts of Ohio dominated by First Energy are expected to nearly double at a power auction scheduled for May.

The reason: There will now be a smaller fleet of power plants available to meet potential power needs. This smaller supply means the price to coax companies like First Energy to make their plants available will rise.

 

[Oddball]

Thanks Barack… 3 West Virginia Coal Plants to Close | The Gateway Pundit

Three West Virginia coal plants just announced they will close this year. Metro News reported: Ohio based FirstEnergy Corporation announces it will close three coal fired power plants in West Virginia by this fall. The closings come directly from the impact of new federal EPA regulations. The plants to close are Albright Power Station, Willow Island Power Station, and the Rivesville Power Station. The company says 105 employees will be directly impacted. The three plants produce 660 megawatts and about 3-percent of FirstEnergy’s total generation. In recent years, the plants served as “peaking facilities” and generated power during times of...

More FACTS for CONs, FirstEnergy ea windfall from closing the plants:

(AP) NEW YORK — Instead of complaining about clean air rules, maybe utilities should cheer them.

Sometimes, the rules lead to big gains.

First Energy, a utility based in Ohio, got such a boost Thursday, a week after the company announced it would close six coal-fired plants, blaming new federal rules aimed at slowing emissions of mercury and other toxins.

Without these plants, electricity prices in parts of Ohio dominated by First Energy are expected to nearly double at a power auction scheduled for May.

The reason: There will now be a smaller fleet of power plants available to meet potential power needs. This smaller supply means the price to coax companies like First Energy to make their plants available will rise.

Read: More crony capitalism and higher prices for the proles.

Big whoop.

 

[CaughtInTheMid]

Again, can you produce evidence of anyone dying from contaminated drinking water prior to 1970? Contaminated food?

this case is fascinating and very sad for those stationed at Camp Lejeune from the '50s thru the late '80s. i've been following it for years.

Camp Lejeune water contamination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which brings up another salient point...

The #1 source of industrial pollution and hazardous waste in the nation: The District of Columbia Corporation.

Now, somehow or another, we're supposed to sit back and let them tell the rest of us how we may or may not run our businesses, run our farms, heat and light our homes, where we can or can't place structures....

i can't speak for the entire government, but i know that the water at Camp Lejeune, since all this information came out, is probably the most tested/clean in the country. those in charge were under major pressure to never let something like this happen again to our military.

 

[The T]

States and localities were dumping untreated sewage directly into rivers and streams.

Yes they were, which does bring a certain (albeit small) measure of federal jurisdiction, as rivers were the interstate highways of yesteryear.

That said, states and localities were already banning open trash burning, adopting airshed regs, water and sewage treatment standards, etcetera, long before 1970.

The problems LOCAL enforcement is expensive for the localities; Code Enforcement violations, in my state, create small liens on properties. Small local governments cannot afford to enforce regulations.

Then why does the Imperial FED impose them?

 

[bripat9643]

Prior to the EPA, thousands of companies were allowed to dump whatever they wanted into the air or waterways. Swamps were useless land. Companies took the path of least resistance. It was easier to burn it or dump it than to be accountable for your hazardous byproducts

Again, can you produce evidence of anyone dying from contaminated drinking water prior to 1970? Contaminated food?

How about the Cholera Epidemics early 1900's and prior for starters... which really got the asses of states to pass drinking water legislation and regulations very similar to the EPA? It's precisely because of our history with water and food quality and the illnesses they cause that we have the EPA and FDA to regulate on a federal level.

That had more to do with our general state of ignorance regarding the causes of disease than with the superiority of government regulation. Prior to 1900, most drinking water came from wells and sewage was handled by outhouses. That is what caused cholera epidemics. Lack of regulations on business had nothing to do with it.

Furthermore what you are saying is that government regulation is necessary because government failed to provide clean drinking water.

 

[The T]

Again, can you produce evidence of anyone dying from contaminated drinking water prior to 1970? Contaminated food?

How about the Cholera Epidemics early 1900's and prior for starters... which really got the asses of states to pass drinking water legislation and regulations very similar to the EPA? It's precisely because of our history with water and food quality and the illnesses they cause that we have the EPA and FDA to regulate on a federal level.

That had more to do with our general state of ignorance regarding the causes of disease than with the superiority of government regulation. Prior to 1900, most drinking water came from wells and sewage was handled by outhouses. That is what caused cholera epidemics. Lack of regulations on business had nothing to do with it.

Furthermore what you are saying is that government regulation is necessary because government failed to provide clean drinking water.

Just lack of education.