Thank you for killing reform Joe libermann and republicans

[Chris]

And why do you suppose they don't "ignore the Republicans and pass the public option through reconciliation?"

Because unfortunately the best leadership on this issue is coming from the Dems in the House.

The Senate is completey controlled by corporate lobbyists.

 

[elvis]

And why do you suppose they don't "ignore the Republicans and pass the public option through reconciliation?"

Because unfortunately the best leadership on this issue is coming from the Dems in the House.

The Senate is completey controlled by corporate lobbyists.

and when Obama signs this bill, you'll stop kissing his ass, right?

 

[Foxfyre]

The Democrats are having problems because they can read the polls just like everybody else, and they can see that this healthcare boondoggle is losing popularity with the right, center, and moderate left who don't want socialized medicine and don't want a healthcare system that will be far worse and will cost much more. They don't trust legislation that obviously not a single member of Congress has read or understands, and they don't trust Presidential leadership or Congressional leadership that obviously don't have a clue what they are doing. They are also losing popularity with the more looney far left who WANT Marxist socialized medicine and as much government control as possible and resent any modifications trying to pacify the right, center, and moderate left.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had patriots and statesmen who love American and care about Americans in our federal government instead of a bunch of politicians trying to look good enough to be re-elected?

 

[oreo]

The Democrats are having problems because they can read the polls just like everybody else, and they can see that this healthcare boondoggle is losing popularity with the right, center, and moderate left who don't want socialized medicine and don't want a healthcare system that will be far worse and will cost much more. They don't trust legislation that obviously not a single member of Congress has read or understands, and they don't trust Presidential leadership or Congressional leadership that obviously don't have a clue what they are doing. They are also losing popularity with the more looney far left who WANT Marxist socialized medicine and as much government control as possible and resent any modifications trying to pacify the right, center, and moderate left.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had patriots and statesmen who love American and care about Americans in our federal government instead of a bunch of politicians trying to look good enough to be re-elected?

Simply put--Americans do not trust the federal government to take over 6% of this economy. And for good reason.

Social security is bankrupt, medicare is bankrupt, medicade is bankupt & the U.S. senate cafeteria is in red ink---.

The truth is not one of these liberals who are supporting a public option on this board--can name one single agency run by the federal government that is efficient--nor describe one single agency that has ever been run more efficiently than what a private sector business could do.

In fact, if any new--start up--small business ran their business the same way as the federal government they would be bankrupt 15 minutes after they opened their doors--

In essense, our federal government couldn't operate a lemonade stand without driving it into bankrupsty.

 

[oreo]

And why do you suppose they don't "ignore the Republicans and pass the public option through reconciliation?"

Because unfortunately the best leadership on this issue is coming from the Dems in the House.

The Senate is completey controlled by corporate lobbyists.

Really--& you think the house of representatives is is "exempt" from corporate lobbyists?---

Criss you really don't pay much attention do you? A great show for you to start watching is American experience typically shown on the PBS channel--which is completely non-partisan. You will note that for each member of congress, which includes the house of representatives, there are typically 4 lobbyists.

 

[elvis]

And why do you suppose they don't "ignore the Republicans and pass the public option through reconciliation?"

Because unfortunately the best leadership on this issue is coming from the Dems in the House.

The Senate is completey controlled by corporate lobbyists.

Really--& you think the house of representatives is is "exempt" from corporate lobbyists?---

Criss you really don't pay much attention do you? A great show for you to start watching is American experience typically shown on the PBS channel--which is completely non-partisan. You will note that for each member of congress, which includes the house of representatives, there are typically 4 lobbyists.

he's more interested in Soviet experience.

 

[California Girl]

The Democrats are having problems because they can read the polls just like everybody else, and they can see that this healthcare boondoggle is losing popularity with the right, center, and moderate left who don't want socialized medicine and don't want a healthcare system that will be far worse and will cost much more. They don't trust legislation that obviously not a single member of Congress has read or understands, and they don't trust Presidential leadership or Congressional leadership that obviously don't have a clue what they are doing. They are also losing popularity with the more looney far left who WANT Marxist socialized medicine and as much government control as possible and resent any modifications trying to pacify the right, center, and moderate left.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had patriots and statesmen who love American and care about Americans in our federal government instead of a bunch of politicians trying to look good enough to be re-elected?

 

[Ringel05]

The Democrats are having problems because they can read the polls just like everybody else, and they can see that this healthcare boondoggle is losing popularity with the right, center, and moderate left who don't want socialized medicine and don't want a healthcare system that will be far worse and will cost much more. They don't trust legislation that obviously not a single member of Congress has read or understands, and they don't trust Presidential leadership or Congressional leadership that obviously don't have a clue what they are doing. They are also losing popularity with the more looney far left who WANT Marxist socialized medicine and as much government control as possible and resent any modifications trying to pacify the right, center, and moderate left.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had patriots and statesmen who love American and care about Americans in our federal government instead of a bunch of politicians trying to look good enough to be re-elected?

Jeeze, you don't want much do ya.

 

[ihopehefails]

To state Democrats have a veto proof majority is a Lie!
HEALTH CARE REFORM PROPOSAL
Health Care > Health Care Reform Proposal

Get the Facts:

Health Reform Will:

* Hold down rising costs that are picking our pockets. expenses, deductibles and co-pays will have yearly or lifetime limits on the coverage you receive will be outlawed.
* Require insurance companies to fully cover, without checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.
* Require all companies to finally pay their fair share at least 72.5 percent of the premium for individual coverage 65 percent of the premium for family coverage, or a amount for part-time employees. Companies that don’t health care for workers will be required to pay to help support the public health insurance option.

This health care reform is worth fighting for. It works for working families and works for America.

* President Obama’s vision of health care reform puts you and your doctor, instead of insurance companies, in charge of your own health care.
* This legislation gets a grip on health care costs that are crushing the middle class.
* The legislation will improve health care quality by curbing insurance company abuses, rewarding doctors for improving the quality of care instead of increasing the quantity of care and forcing insurers to compete with a quality public health insurance plan. This means a great deal to all of us and our families.
* Think how much easier contract negotiations will be when America gets a handle on rising health care costs.
* It even helps employers—especially small businesses that now pay the highest insurance premiums—by making it easier to provide and pay for health benefits.
* President Obama’s proposal has a strong public plan option that will keep insurance companies honest and drive waste out of the system. Even the insurance companies admit that hundreds of billions of dollars don’t go for helpful care. With competition from a strong public plan, we can finally stop them from wasting all this money.
* The Obama plan means health care will be there for you, no matter what. If you lose your job, or your kid loses his. If you get sick. When you retire. If your plant closes or your company goes into Chapter 11. That strong public health insurance option means you and your family can’t fall through the cracks. No matter what.
* And finally, the health reform championed by the president helps unions by leveling the playing field. Nonunion companies will have to pay their fair share for the first time instead of dumping their health care costs on the rest of us. It will help American businesses by keeping costs down. Keeping health costs down means more production and more exports. The Obama plan also helps industries with older workforces modernize without casting off their retirees.

Find out how health reform will affect you with this interactive tool from the Center for American Progress.
Health Care: Facts on the Health Care Reform Proposal

The stated purpose of this health care reform was :

1. To keep costs of health care insurance down.

2. To insure everyone.

This plan does neither. If health care reform was their priority they would have done.

1. Tort reform, which would reduce the costs of healthcare.
2. Open competition among the states.
3. Promoted health savings plans with pre-tax dollars.
4. Grouped small business.
5. Passed legislation making insurance portable.
6. Passed legislation on pre-existing conditions.

They have done none of these simple measures to reduce costs and expand coverage, this is NOT about health care reform it is about a national take-over of 6% of our economy.

56% of Americans now OPPOSE the senate's health care reform legislation, only 40% favor it, you are in the minority. In America the majority wins, you lost.


" When the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fear the people there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.

duh! That is true but so is this sentiment " When the people fear the government there is tyranny. When the government fear the people there is liberty."

What is your point?

 

[VaYank5150]

And why do you suppose they don't "ignore the Republicans and pass the public option through reconciliation?"

Because unfortunately the best leadership on this issue is coming from the Dems in the House.

The Senate is completey controlled by corporate lobbyists.

Uhhhhh, yeah. Thank God, we don't have that happening in the HOUSE....

 

[Immanuel]

The Democrats are having problems because they can read the polls just like everybody else, and they can see that this healthcare boondoggle is losing popularity with the right, center, and moderate left who don't want socialized medicine and don't want a healthcare system that will be far worse and will cost much more. They don't trust legislation that obviously not a single member of Congress has read or understands, and they don't trust Presidential leadership or Congressional leadership that obviously don't have a clue what they are doing. They are also losing popularity with the more looney far left who WANT Marxist socialized medicine and as much government control as possible and resent any modifications trying to pacify the right, center, and moderate left.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had patriots and statesmen who love American and care about Americans in our federal government instead of a bunch of politicians trying to look good enough to be re-elected?

Simply put -- the Democrats have done a piss poor job selling this piss poor plan and they know it.

That doesn't mean they won't pass it though. Congress knows that if they do pass it and Obama signs it, everyone will blame Obama in the long run and forget about their part in all of this in just a few months.

Immie

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Thank you for your uncapitalistic ways to keep the monopoly of the insurance companies around. Thank you for killing grandma by the dening hard working american a chance to survive and to live there lives but it's more important to have your 12 million dollar a year salary paid by these hard working Americans .

Health care reform isn't worth a mandate to buy this crap of insurance or receive a fine. My girlfriend has non allergic rhinitis that has caused breathing problems. She paid her insurance premiums every month. She was denied coverage for her CT scan which cost 400 dollars. Got denied payment for her visits because they determine it was allergy related even though the ct scan looked at by three doctors said it was structural. Now her surgery to get the problem fixed has been denied because it allergy related even though it has been proven to be structural.

This needs to end. You people against health care reform are killing people e everyday. You are terrorist, it obviously accepted terrorism that the republicans do.

Glad to be of service...hopefully we will get you to drop dead soon...then we can vote in healthcare reform.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

And why do you suppose they don't "ignore the Republicans and pass the public option through reconciliation?"

Because unfortunately the best leadership on this issue is coming from the Dems in the House.

The Senate is completey controlled by corporate lobbyists.

The Dem's control Congress....So apparently the Dem's are controlled by corporate lobbyists...thankyou for that little tidbit Swami Crissy

 

[blastoff]

Thank you for your uncapitalistic ways to keep the monopoly of the insurance companies around. Thank you for killing grandma by the dening hard working american a chance to survive and to live there lives but it's more important to have your 12 million dollar a year salary paid by these hard working Americans .

Health care reform isn't worth a mandate to buy this crap of insurance or receive a fine. My girlfriend has non allergic rhinitis that has caused breathing problems. She paid her insurance premiums every month. She was denied coverage for her CT scan which cost 400 dollars. Got denied payment for her visits because they determine it was allergy related even though the ct scan looked at by three doctors said it was structural. Now her surgery to get the problem fixed has been denied because it allergy related even though it has been proven to be structural.

This needs to end. You people against health care reform are killing people e everyday. You are terrorist, it obviously accepted terrorism that the republicans do.

Your absolute lack of knowledge about the party affiliations of the current members of the House and Senate is stunningly stupid.

 

[JakeStarkey]

blastoff, that was a stunning non-sequitur of yours.

 

[Navy1960]

As a political decision the Democrats would be much better off if they said to the American people " we hear you and have decided to go back to work on this bill" rather than appear to be jamming a bill down our throats in an effort to appear not to lose. It's my opinion that the democrats would win a lot of people to their cause if they appeared to be listening to people rather than working against them. Whats really interesting here the party platform even calls for a public option.

"Covering All Americans and Providing Real Choices of Affordable Health Insurance Options. Families and individuals should have the option of keeping the coverage they have or choosing from a wide array of health insurance plans, including many private health insurance options and a public plan."

It amazes me that the democrats are so willing to get a win for the president they are even willing to abandon their own platform.

 

[WillowTree]

The U.S. Senate needs to be changed to a majority vote.

We need to be a democracy.

And the Democrats need to ignore the Republicans and pass the public option through reconciliation.

since when was 60/40 not a majority asswipe?

 

[Foxfyre]

The Democrats are having problems because they can read the polls just like everybody else, and they can see that this healthcare boondoggle is losing popularity with the right, center, and moderate left who don't want socialized medicine and don't want a healthcare system that will be far worse and will cost much more. They don't trust legislation that obviously not a single member of Congress has read or understands, and they don't trust Presidential leadership or Congressional leadership that obviously don't have a clue what they are doing. They are also losing popularity with the more looney far left who WANT Marxist socialized medicine and as much government control as possible and resent any modifications trying to pacify the right, center, and moderate left.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had patriots and statesmen who love American and care about Americans in our federal government instead of a bunch of politicians trying to look good enough to be re-elected?

Simply put--Americans do not trust the federal government to take over 6% of this economy. And for good reason.

Social security is bankrupt, medicare is bankrupt, medicade is bankupt & the U.S. senate cafeteria is in red ink---.

The truth is not one of these liberals who are supporting a public option on this board--can name one single agency run by the federal government that is efficient--nor describe one single agency that has ever been run more efficiently than what a private sector business could do.

In fact, if any new--start up--small business ran their business the same way as the federal government they would be bankrupt 15 minutes after they opened their doors--

In essense, our federal government couldn't operate a lemonade stand without driving it into bankrupsty.

Would that it were only 6% of the economy. Try 16% of the GDP. This is a dangerous and extremely unhealthy takeover attempt by what increasingly looks like a rogue government; and no freedom loving Americans should tolerate, condone, or silently stand by while it happens.

 

[JakeStarkey]

A foul mouth does not a lady make, Willow Tree. You behave as such cheap goods here on the forum. Chris is saying, "Screw the 60 vote requirement and go with reconciliation," which is of course a democracy.

I agree, Chris. Go for it, Dems.

 

[Foxfyre]

The Democrats are having problems because they can read the polls just like everybody else, and they can see that this healthcare boondoggle is losing popularity with the right, center, and moderate left who don't want socialized medicine and don't want a healthcare system that will be far worse and will cost much more. They don't trust legislation that obviously not a single member of Congress has read or understands, and they don't trust Presidential leadership or Congressional leadership that obviously don't have a clue what they are doing. They are also losing popularity with the more looney far left who WANT Marxist socialized medicine and as much government control as possible and resent any modifications trying to pacify the right, center, and moderate left.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had patriots and statesmen who love American and care about Americans in our federal government instead of a bunch of politicians trying to look good enough to be re-elected?

Simply put -- the Democrats have done a piss poor job selling this piss poor plan and they know it.

That doesn't mean they won't pass it though. Congress knows that if they do pass it and Obama signs it, everyone will blame Obama in the long run and forget about their part in all of this in just a few months.

Immie

I don't know Immie. I have lived a long time now, and I don't remember a time when there were as many likely voters who were as well informed, who were as vocal (and demonstrating) and who were just plain angry at incompetence and arrogance in their government as now. Even as we see the poll numbers for Obama and the Democrats plumment, we are seeing approval ratings for the Tea Partiers and other peaceful activists rising, and this is even improving the fortunes of the hapless and impotent GOP.

I am also seeing positive signs that the Tea Partiers are less interested in a third party now and are looking to infuse the GOP with a new sense of responsibility, patriotism, and courage.

I am even daring to be a little bit hopeful here.