Texas Abortion bill

[bodecea]

Chris, let me ask you and any of the liberals here. Was she right to use the filibuster?

If it's legal to do, sure...why not?

There seems to be a lot of whining from the left when republican seneators like rand paul or others do it. they call it obstructionism.

Not from me....again, if it's legal...they can have at it.

 

[AmyNation]

On the first point. Not bovine excrement.

Of registered voters, 63 percent say the state has enough restrictions on abortion and 71 percent thinking that the Governor and legislature should be more focused on the economy and jobs. A majority opposes the sort of legislation passed by the state Senate and being considered by the state House during this legislative Special Session, believing that it imposes further restrictions on abortion. Overall, only 34 percent trust the Governor and the legislature to make decisions about women's healthcare.

Texas Voters Oppose Governor Perry's Omnibus Abortion Bill - GQR

Second point. Yes the Anti-Choice folks here in Texas are in the minority........

I didn't even think to question if the majority of Texans were in favor of the bill.

That's because you don't care. You believe in strong-arming the opposition, so whether the opposition is minority or majority is irrelevant.

You turn particularly whiny when proven wrong.

Why cant you ever just "I was wrong" and accept it gracefully?

This bill was not favored by the majority, it did not improve health care for women seeking abortions and it died the death it deserved.

 

[koshergrl]

"The rub here is that the court ruled that citizens using the legal process had no standing to defend a law that they had already passed. But in Texas, the mob in effect grabbed standing not granted to it in law to stop a bill that the majority favors. In both cases, ordinary citizens in the majority lost in what is supposed to be a representative republic."

The PJ Tatler » A Few Thoughts on the Texas Filibuster and the Supremes

"Davis stood and spoke continuously for nearly 11 hours in an attempt to block passage of SB 5, a bill that would ban all abortions after 20 weeks and could effectively close all but five abortion clinics in the state. Supporters say the new, stringent standards raise the level of care for Texas women. The majority of Texas voters polled have shown support for restrictions on abortion"

Texas Legislators Called Back For Special Session On Abortion Bill : The Two-Way : NPR

We already have restrictions on abortions that most Texans support, but on these new more restrictive measures, the polls do not show majority support. Trying to ram these new restrictions through a special session does not rise to the cause of an emergency session.

The only "new restriction" on ABORTION is the 20 week one, that the majority of Texans (and Americans) whole heartedly endorse.

The other so-called restrictions aren't restrictions on abortions, they simply set a medical standard for abortionists that brings them into mainstream medicine.

And it is THAT that has the abortionists shrieking, because they don't WANT to have to meet the same standards as mainstream providers. They don't want to have to show any qualifications at all, they don't want to have to be inspected, they don't want to keep records, and they most certainly don't want to ever be in the hostile HOSPITAL environment, which is competitive and closely monitored. And they don't care if women die so that they can continue as they have. They don't care one bit.

 

[Avatar4321]

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Wearing pink tennis shoes to prepare for nearly 13 consecutive hours of standing, a Democratic Texas state senator on Tuesday began a one-woman filibuster to block a GOP-led effort that would impose stringent new abortion restrictions across the nation's second-most populous state.

Sen. Wendy Davis, 50, of Fort Worth began the filibuster at 11:18 a.m. CDT Tuesday and passed the halfway mark in her countdown to midnight - the deadline for the end of the 30-day special session.

Rules stipulate she remain standing, not lean on her desk or take any breaks - even for meals or to use the bathroom. Colleagues removed her chair so she wouldn't sit down by mistake.

If signed into law, the measures would close almost every abortion clinic in Texas, a state 773 miles wide and 790 miles long with 26 million people. A woman living along the Mexico border or in West Texas would have to drive hundreds of miles to obtain an abortion if the law passes.

In her opening remarks, Davis said she was "rising on the floor today to humbly give voice to thousands of Texans" and called Republican efforts to pass the bill a "raw abuse of power."

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Chris, let me ask you and any of the liberals here. Was she right to use the filibuster?

If it's legal to do, sure...why not?

Not everything that is legal is right. Not everything that is right is legal.

There are some who object to the fillibuster being used when they oppose it's purpose but love it when they are for the issue.

 

[Avatar4321]

I didn't even think to question if the majority of Texans were in favor of the bill.

That's because you don't care. You believe in strong-arming the opposition, so whether the opposition is minority or majority is irrelevant.

You turn particularly whiny when proven wrong.

Why cant you ever just "I was wrong" and accept it gracefully?

This bill was not favored by the majority, it did not improve health care for women seeking abortions and it died the death it deserved.

I predict it will be the law of Texas by the end of the year.

 

[bendog]

"The rub here is that the court ruled that citizens using the legal process had no standing to defend a law that they had already passed. But in Texas, the mob in effect grabbed standing not granted to it in law to stop a bill that the majority favors. In both cases, ordinary citizens in the majority lost in what is supposed to be a representative republic."

The PJ Tatler » A Few Thoughts on the Texas Filibuster and the Supremes

"Davis stood and spoke continuously for nearly 11 hours in an attempt to block passage of SB 5, a bill that would ban all abortions after 20 weeks and could effectively close all but five abortion clinics in the state. Supporters say the new, stringent standards raise the level of care for Texas women. The majority of Texas voters polled have shown support for restrictions on abortion"

Texas Legislators Called Back For Special Session On Abortion Bill : The Two-Way : NPR

We already have restrictions on abortions that most Texans support, but on these new more restrictive measures, the polls do not show majority support. Trying to ram these new restrictions through a special session does not rise to the cause of an emergency session.

The only "new restriction" on ABORTION is the 20 week one, that the majority of Texans (and Americans) whole heartedly endorse.

The other so-called restrictions aren't restrictions on abortions, they simply set a medical standard for abortionists that brings them into mainstream medicine.

And it is THAT that has the abortionists shrieking, because they don't WANT to have to meet the same standards as mainstream providers. They don't want to have to show any qualifications at all, they don't want to have to be inspected, they don't want to keep records, and they most certainly don't want to ever be in the hostile HOSPITAL environment, which is competitive and closely monitored. And they don't care if women die so that they can continue as they have. They don't care one bit.

Being disingenuous does your position no positive service. The legislation's intent is to close the vast maj of clinics. At least be honest. LOL

 

[koshergrl]

Yup, it will be law...

Because ultimately, it is the will of the people driving it.

Though the will of the people is little by little becoming irrelevant.

 

[AmyNation]

That's because you don't care. You believe in strong-arming the opposition, so whether the opposition is minority or majority is irrelevant.

You turn particularly whiny when proven wrong.

Why cant you ever just "I was wrong" and accept it gracefully?

This bill was not favored by the majority, it did not improve health care for women seeking abortions and it died the death it deserved.

I predict it will be the law of Texas by the end of the year.

I predict if they push it through it'll be held up with injunctions and die in the higher courts

 

[Avatar4321]

Being disingenuous does your position no positive service. The legislation's intent is to close the vast maj of clinics. At least be honest. LOL

After Gosnell and the guy down in Texas, how can anyone claim it's disingenuous to have standards at abortion clinics?

Sure let's just ignore standards as long as they can have abortions.

If they can't provide for the safety of those involved, they shouldn't be performing abortions or any medical procedurers.

 

[Avatar4321]

You turn particularly whiny when proven wrong.

Why cant you ever just "I was wrong" and accept it gracefully?

This bill was not favored by the majority, it did not improve health care for women seeking abortions and it died the death it deserved.

I predict it will be the law of Texas by the end of the year.

I predict if they push it through it'll be held up with injunctions and die in the higher courts

It's absolutely ridiculous that having medical standards for abortion clinics is a bad thing.

 

[koshergrl]

We already have restrictions on abortions that most Texans support, but on these new more restrictive measures, the polls do not show majority support. Trying to ram these new restrictions through a special session does not rise to the cause of an emergency session.

The only "new restriction" on ABORTION is the 20 week one, that the majority of Texans (and Americans) whole heartedly endorse.

The other so-called restrictions aren't restrictions on abortions, they simply set a medical standard for abortionists that brings them into mainstream medicine.

And it is THAT that has the abortionists shrieking, because they don't WANT to have to meet the same standards as mainstream providers. They don't want to have to show any qualifications at all, they don't want to have to be inspected, they don't want to keep records, and they most certainly don't want to ever be in the hostile HOSPITAL environment, which is competitive and closely monitored. And they don't care if women die so that they can continue as they have. They don't care one bit.

Being disingenuous does your position no positive service. The legislation's intent is to close the vast maj of clinics. At least be honest. LOL

Nothing disingenuos about it. The legislation's purpose is to drum out disgusting abbatoirs that are butchering and killing women, and force the remaining clinics to meet a basic standard. I'm sorry if the vast majority of abortion clinics are abbatoirs. It's because there has been no oversight. Reform will make abortion MUCH safer. Are you against providing a decent standard of care for women who are seeking abortion?

 

[AmyNation]

I predict it will be the law of Texas by the end of the year.

I predict if they push it through it'll be held up with injunctions and die in the higher courts

It's absolutely ridiculous that having medical standards for abortion clinics is a bad thing.

It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest this bill did anything to improve medical standards at abortion clinics. I think you know that, I get why KG won't admit it but I thought you were more honest than that.

 

[koshergrl]

Are you calling Avatar a liar?

Because that would be trolling, or so I have been told.

 

[Avatar4321]

I predict if they push it through it'll be held up with injunctions and die in the higher courts

It's absolutely ridiculous that having medical standards for abortion clinics is a bad thing.

It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest this bill did anything to improve medical standards at abortion clinics. I think you know that, I get why KG won't admit it but I thought you were more honest than that.

And what evidence would I have that the bill does nothing to improve medical standards? Especially when the bill specifically has measures that improve medical standards. Are they fake?

 

[AmyNation]

It's absolutely ridiculous that having medical standards for abortion clinics is a bad thing.

It's absolutely ridiculous to suggest this bill did anything to improve medical standards at abortion clinics. I think you know that, I get why KG won't admit it but I thought you were more honest than that.

And what evidence would I have that the bill does nothing to improve medical standards? Especially when the bill specifically has measures that improve medical standards. Are they fake?

What measures in the bill improve medical standards?

 

[bendog]

Being disingenuous does your position no positive service. The legislation's intent is to close the vast maj of clinics. At least be honest. LOL

After Gosnell and the guy down in Texas, how can anyone claim it's disingenuous to have standards at abortion clinics?

Sure let's just ignore standards as long as they can have abortions.

If they can't provide for the safety of those involved, they shouldn't be performing abortions or any medical procedurers.

You're being disengenouls in assertign the bill's intent is not to shut down clinics. Texas can inspect clinics, the Texas Legislature and Medical Assoc can look at docs qualifications. Gosnell is in jail. I'm pretty sure docs kill hundreds daily via poor treatment choices in all kinds of procedures. It's abortion you're about, not women's safety. Fine, but don't lie about it.

 

[koshergrl]

It's a medical standard that mainstream physicians and specialists maintain admitting privileges in local hospitals. If you have ever had oral surgery, or made use of a neurologist or ob/gyn, or a rural medical clinic, or a 24 hour clinic, then you are aware that the professionals who provide the services have admitting privileges. It is a basic standard that they adhere to because it allows them to exercise the option of using the hospital facilities in the event their own facilities will not suffice. So if I woman starts to hemorrhage a week after her abortion at 20 weeks, the PHYSICIAN (because they are supposed to be physicians) who provided her care at the clinic can meet her at the hospital to administer what care needs to be administered.

Because you don't go to an abortion clinic if you're sick. You go to the ER or to your primary physician...but a lot of women avoid their primary physicians when they have abortions.

When women die, it is almost ALWAYS because their abortion *doctors* aren't available to treat, and those same doctors will not tell them to go to the hospital, because they don't have admitting privileges. They don't want other doctors looking at their work.

So they tell women to take ibuprofen and take a day off work.

 

[BlindBoo]

"The rub here is that the court ruled that citizens using the legal process had no standing to defend a law that they had already passed. But in Texas, the mob in effect grabbed standing not granted to it in law to stop a bill that the majority favors. In both cases, ordinary citizens in the majority lost in what is supposed to be a representative republic."

The PJ Tatler » A Few Thoughts on the Texas Filibuster and the Supremes

"Davis stood and spoke continuously for nearly 11 hours in an attempt to block passage of SB 5, a bill that would ban all abortions after 20 weeks and could effectively close all but five abortion clinics in the state. Supporters say the new, stringent standards raise the level of care for Texas women. The majority of Texas voters polled have shown support for restrictions on abortion"

Texas Legislators Called Back For Special Session On Abortion Bill : The Two-Way : NPR

We already have restrictions on abortions that most Texans support, but on these new more restrictive measures, the polls do not show majority support. Trying to ram these new restrictions through a special session does not rise to the cause of an emergency session.

The only "new restriction" on ABORTION is the 20 week one, that the majority of Texans (and Americans) whole heartedly endorse.

The other so-called restrictions aren't restrictions on abortions, they simply set a medical standard for abortionists that brings them into mainstream medicine.

And it is THAT that has the abortionists shrieking, because they don't WANT to have to meet the same standards as mainstream providers. They don't want to have to show any qualifications at all, they don't want to have to be inspected, they don't want to keep records, and they most certainly don't want to ever be in the hostile HOSPITAL environment, which is competitive and closely monitored. And they don't care if women die so that they can continue as they have. They don't care one bit.

Whatever you want to call it, it does not have majority support among Texans.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Those are your assertions, koshergrl. Please give us objective sources, data, and empirical evidence back up what you are saying.

 

[koshergrl]

Being disingenuous does your position no positive service. The legislation's intent is to close the vast maj of clinics. At least be honest. LOL

After Gosnell and the guy down in Texas, how can anyone claim it's disingenuous to have standards at abortion clinics?

Sure let's just ignore standards as long as they can have abortions.

If they can't provide for the safety of those involved, they shouldn't be performing abortions or any medical procedurers.

You're being disengenouls in assertign the bill's intent is not to shut down clinics. Texas can inspect clinics, the Texas Legislature and Medical Assoc can look at docs qualifications. Gosnell is in jail. I'm pretty sure docs kill hundreds daily via poor treatment choices in all kinds of procedures. It's abortion you're about, not women's safety. Fine, but don't lie about it.

Trolling. Reported.

BTW, I have maintained all along that the bill would close the abortion clinics that are operating on the fringes of mainstream medicine. The point is to make abortion clinics SAFER...and that means that the bad ones, the ones that have no standing in the community, and that for whatever reason can't work with hospitals, will be closed.

Because those are the ones that kill women.