Terrorist Who Killed 38 Israelis Appointed PA Adviser

[Lipush]

The Jewish brigades aim was to target British soldiers. That's a fact known by now.

Terrorism is not something our people tolerate or act by.

 

[Coyote]

The Jewish brigades aim was to target British soldiers. That's a fact known by now.

Terrorism is not something our people tolerate or act by.

Not Irgun, and some of the other gangs, as evidenced by the list of attacks. Begin led Irgun.

 

[sealadaigh]

False. Begin was not a terrorist. Give me the name of a terrorist that Israel has appointed. I'll repeat the question for you. A Terrorist. Not someone you don't like. A real terrorist. Thank you. - Jeri

perhaps you would be so kind as to define exactly what a terrorist is.

someone who's main aim, target and wishes and ability is to harm unarmed civilians under the very specific will of causing grief, panic, or war-awakening.

good enough definition?

pretty shakey. i suppose that leaves out a militant who targets a bar that he knows is frequented by soldiers or reserve soldiers that are oppressing his people in the hopes to not cause grief but instead to effect political change (and not grief, panic, or war awakening), with any civilian casualities being unfortunate collateral damage.

it just seems like the only real use for the word is inflamatory. i know it was used a lot in europe and america to describe the soldiers/volunteers of oglaigh na h'Eireann until the irish and americans put the use of it out of commission in the press and other media. now the word making a revival and and it really does seem like a word being used in a bigoted manner, and as evidenced in this thread.

israeli jews are not terrorists despite their actions. arabs are, no matter what their actions.

 

[Coyote]

Trolling posts have been removed - get back on topic please (topic is not biblical histories or personal attacks on other posters).

 

[kvetch]

Trolling posts have been removed - get back on topic please (topic is not biblical histories or personal attacks on other posters).

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[MHunterB]

"israeli jews are not terrorists despite their actions. arabs are, no matter what their actions. "

Perhaps you believe that that is the view of some posters here, but certainly it isn't mine or Lipush's. Why don't you ASK everyone if they agree with that quote?

And meanwhile: does something Israel didn't exactly even do a couple of decades ago excuse poor behavior by Palestinians? I don't think so - seems that you do. It also suggests to many that Palestinians currently aren't terribly focused on achieving peaceful coexistence with an Israel of any size or dimensions : ((

 

[José]

Originally posted by kvetch
I once made love to my sweetie in a wood in Canada and all the coyotes joined in with their howls....amazin experience

tmi.

 

[pbel]

Gee, if he was Israeli he would have been made prime minister.

Lame propaganda, our prime minister didn't kill anyone.

PM Begin????

 

[CMike]

Why is PA appointing Muslim terrorists for their Advisors? Anyone?

Because they are a terrorist group.

 

[skye]

Terrorist Who Killed 38 Israelis Appointed PA Adviser-.



One only wonders what kind of advice this deranged person can give? Well, you can use your imagination ....

Another step in the wrong direction on the part of the Palestinian Authority to achieve "peace".

 

[sealadaigh]

"israeli jews are not terrorists despite their actions. arabs are, no matter what their actions. "

Perhaps you believe that that is the view of some posters here, but certainly it isn't mine or Lipush's. Why don't you ASK everyone if they agree with that quote?

And meanwhile: does something Israel didn't exactly even do a couple of decades ago excuse poor behavior by Palestinians? I don't think so - seems that you do. It also suggests to many that Palestinians currently aren't terribly focused on achieving peaceful coexistence with an Israel of any size or dimensions : ((

there are lies by commission and lies by omission.

you omitted the context.

nothing really justifies poor behaviour, although you and i probably have a different definition of poor behaviour. your definition seems to be that of an advocate for the well armed and powerful. mine is that of an advocate for those who fight for their precious freedom and dignity with whatever meager means available.

 

[alan1]

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[sealadaigh]

Gee, if he was Israeli he would have been made prime minister.

Lame propaganda, our prime minister didn't kill anyone.

well, actually, if you knew your history, after the coastal road attack (in which hussein fayyad played an inexcusable but very minor role), prime minister menachem begin and israel launched operation litani, an attack on lebanon in which over 2000 civilians were killed and close to 250,000 people displaced.

our only friend in the mideast, in the attack, used cluster bombs in lebanon supplied by the U.S. and in contravention of their agreement with us to use them only for defensive purposes. friends don't let friends bomb the holy hell out of civilians.

old ways die hard, i suppose, for menachem begin anyway.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Begin was never listed as a terrorist and he was never on a terrorist watch list. Drop it, Seal.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

perhaps you would be so kind as to define exactly what a terrorist is.

someone who's main aim, target and wishes and ability is to harm unarmed civilians under the very specific will of causing grief, panic, or war-awakening.

good enough definition?

Source: List of Irgun attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia from 1944-48 under Begin's leadership. These are the civilian targets.

1946, October 31 Bombing of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured. [33]
1947, September 26 4 British policemen killed in Irgun bank robbery. [34]
1947, December 11 13 killed in attack on Tireh, near Haifa [38]
1947, December 12 20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate. [39]
1947, December 13 6 killed, 25 wounded by bombs outside Alhambra Cinema. [40]
1947, December 13 5 killed, 47 wounded by two bombs at Damascus Gate. [40]
1947, December 13 7 killed, 10 seriously injured in attack on Yehudiya. [40]
1947, December 16(ca) 10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa. [41]
1947, December 29 14 Arabs killed by bomb in Jerusalem. [34][42]
1947, December 30 6 Arabs killed and, 42 injured by grenades at Haifa refinery, precipitating the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre, which lead to the Balad al-Shaykh massacre. [43]
1948, January 1 2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa. [44]
1948, January 5 14 Arabs killed and 19 injured by truck bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's built Ottoman Town Hall [45]
1948, January 7 20 Arabs killed by bomb at Jaffa Gate. [46][47]
1948, February 10 7 Arabs killed near Ras el Ain after selling cows in Tel Aviv [48]
1948, February 18 12 Arabs killed and 43 wounded at a marketplace in Ramla [49]

I think that qualifies under the definition.

Terrorists are not afforded the same equal protection as citizens who obey the law. You are comparing apples and oranges here. Also Wikipedia is not a reliable source and I'd have to fact check dates and stories independently. People regularly visit those pages and alter the facts, add or detract, not a good source imo. - Jeri

 

[P F Tinmore]

Begin was never listed as a terrorist and he was never on a terrorist watch list. Drop it, Seal.

The question is why not?

Many are on the list for doing less or nothing at all.

It seems that terrorist lists are no more than political name calling.

 

[sealadaigh]

someone who's main aim, target and wishes and ability is to harm unarmed civilians under the very specific will of causing grief, panic, or war-awakening.

good enough definition?

Source: List of Irgun attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia from 1944-48 under Begin's leadership. These are the civilian targets.

1946, October 31 Bombing of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured. [33]
1947, September 26 4 British policemen killed in Irgun bank robbery. [34]
1947, December 11 13 killed in attack on Tireh, near Haifa [38]
1947, December 12 20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate. [39]
1947, December 13 6 killed, 25 wounded by bombs outside Alhambra Cinema. [40]
1947, December 13 5 killed, 47 wounded by two bombs at Damascus Gate. [40]
1947, December 13 7 killed, 10 seriously injured in attack on Yehudiya. [40]
1947, December 16(ca) 10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa. [41]
1947, December 29 14 Arabs killed by bomb in Jerusalem. [34][42]
1947, December 30 6 Arabs killed and, 42 injured by grenades at Haifa refinery, precipitating the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre, which lead to the Balad al-Shaykh massacre. [43]
1948, January 1 2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa. [44]
1948, January 5 14 Arabs killed and 19 injured by truck bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's built Ottoman Town Hall [45]
1948, January 7 20 Arabs killed by bomb at Jaffa Gate. [46][47]
1948, February 10 7 Arabs killed near Ras el Ain after selling cows in Tel Aviv [48]
1948, February 18 12 Arabs killed and 43 wounded at a marketplace in Ramla [49]

I think that qualifies under the definition.

Terrorists are not afforded the same equal protection as citizens who obey the law. You are comparing apples and oranges here. Also Wikipedia is not a reliable source and I'd have to fact check dates and stories independently. People regularly visit those pages and alter the facts, add or detract, not a good source imo. - Jeri

hitler obeyed the law and was not on anyones terrorist watch list either.

 

[Sallow]

Why is PA appointing Muslim terrorists for their Advisors? Anyone?

Same reason Israel appoints Jewish terrorists.

Dude.

Israel was STARTED by terrorists.

Generally..you are a pretty sharp guy.

 

[Coyote]

someone who's main aim, target and wishes and ability is to harm unarmed civilians under the very specific will of causing grief, panic, or war-awakening.

good enough definition?

Source: List of Irgun attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia from 1944-48 under Begin's leadership. These are the civilian targets.

1946, October 31 Bombing of the British Embassy in Rome. Nearly half the building was destroyed and 3 people were injured. [33]
1947, September 26 4 British policemen killed in Irgun bank robbery. [34]
1947, December 11 13 killed in attack on Tireh, near Haifa [38]
1947, December 12 20 killed, 5 wounded by barrel bomb at Damascus Gate. [39]
1947, December 13 6 killed, 25 wounded by bombs outside Alhambra Cinema. [40]
1947, December 13 5 killed, 47 wounded by two bombs at Damascus Gate. [40]
1947, December 13 7 killed, 10 seriously injured in attack on Yehudiya. [40]
1947, December 16(ca) 10 killed by bomb at Noga Cinema in Jaffa. [41]
1947, December 29 14 Arabs killed by bomb in Jerusalem. [34][42]
1947, December 30 6 Arabs killed and, 42 injured by grenades at Haifa refinery, precipitating the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre, which lead to the Balad al-Shaykh massacre. [43]
1948, January 1 2 Arabs killed and 9 injured by shooting attack on cafe in Jaffa. [44]
1948, January 5 14 Arabs killed and 19 injured by truck bomb outside the 3-storey 'Serrani', Jaffa's built Ottoman Town Hall [45]
1948, January 7 20 Arabs killed by bomb at Jaffa Gate. [46][47]
1948, February 10 7 Arabs killed near Ras el Ain after selling cows in Tel Aviv [48]
1948, February 18 12 Arabs killed and 43 wounded at a marketplace in Ramla [49]

I think that qualifies under the definition.

Terrorists are not afforded the same equal protection as citizens who obey the law. You are comparing apples and oranges here.

Not at all.

Irgun was listed as a terrorist organization. Begin headed during the referenced amount of time. We just didn't have the same laws in the 1940's as we do now. In the end it comes down to the same thing: the winners get to legitimize their terrorism. It's white washed into freedom fighting.

Also Wikipedia is not a reliable source and I'd have to fact check dates and stories independently. People regularly visit those pages and alter the facts, add or detract, not a good source imo. - Jeri

You may not like Wikipedia - but each of those instances is sourced and can be independently verified.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Begin was never listed as a terrorist and he was never on a terrorist watch list. Drop it, Seal.

The question is why not?

Many are on the list for doing less or nothing at all.

It seems that terrorist lists are no more than political name calling.

Because Begin never commited act of Terrorism nor was he on a Terrorist List.

The only people on the State Dept terrorist list are those who are known to have commited acts of terror. This requires documentation. Hamas is a terrorist organization. Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization. Hizbollah is a terrorist organization. CAIR is an unindicted Co - Conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation Trials and is a terrorist organization... getting through yet??