Terri Schiavo and Jahi McMath: Govt IN or OUT of health care programs?

[emilynghiem]

Poll: Is putting GOVT in charge of these decisions better or worse than private facilities and programs? Which is better for GUARANTEEING people have access to resources and support of those who SHARE THEIR BELIEFS?

Girl declared brain dead moved from hospital - Houston Chronicle

Given the cases of both Terri Schiavo and Jahi McMath,
I see these as MORE reasons to keep family and health decisions to the individuals to consult with the professionals and providers who SHARE THEIR BELIEFS.

The more these cases go through courts or govt to get in the hands of third parties, of course, people with views on both sides are NOT GOING TO AGREE.

Isn't the solution to create separate networks for prochoice and prolife beliefs, so people can fund their own policies and NOT PAY or BE IN CHARGE of making decisions for people who believe differently?

What do you believe?

Do you believe putting GOVT in charge, or letting people fund charity hospitals or business networks that support their beliefs, would make handling these cases better or worse?

 

[Katzndogz]

Terri Schiavo and Jahai McMath are not remotely similar. Schiavo was not brain dead. Her body functioned on its own. She breathed on her own. Her heart beat on its own. McMath is simply dead.

The first thing is to educate the public in the differences between coma, persistent vegitative state and death.

People are free to waste their money any way they want to. If they want to donate to maintain a corpse in the belief that it will someday be resurrected they should do so. No insurance money or public funds should be available for such nonsense.

 

[emilynghiem]

Terri Schiavo and Jahai McMath are not remotely similar. Schiavo was not brain dead. Her body functioned on its own. She breathed on her own. Her heart beat on its own. McMath is simply dead.

The first thing is to educate the public in the differences between coma, persistent vegitative state and death.

People are free to waste their money any way they want to. If they want to donate to maintain a corpse in the belief that it will someday be resurrected they should do so. No insurance money or public funds should be available for such nonsense.

I agree on mass public education, but no longer have faith in GOVT being in charge, given the blatant biases and propaganda I've seen tax money wasted to promote.

Further, I would promote investing in medical education and public health internships TO TRAIN AND CREATE MORE SERVICE PROVIDERS AND FACILITIES, which buying insurance doesn't pay for.
So this goes beyond just educating the public on health and medical issues, but actually directing resources toward jobs and education in health care (where the medical professionals can cover the cost of their training through providing public services through clinics and teaching hospitals to resolve problems with student debts at the same time as health care reforms).

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ADDED NOTE on public education:

And I would include (if not require) citizens to receive training and assistance in CONFLICT RESOLUTION and mediation in order to qualify for tax paid services that represent the public.

This would reduce the costs of conflicts from wasting public resources. It would reward people who can resolve conflicts, and require those who cannot resolve their differences to PAY FOR THEIR OWN PROGRAMS and keep their religion/politics OUT OF GOVT. (This would also lead to limited govt, to reduce the bureaucracy, backlog, abuses and waste).

Once EACH CASE is subject to conflict resolution, then yes, the differences in EACH CASE and the beliefs of the individuals involved, can all be accommodated EQUALLY as required for Constitutional inclusion and equal protection/representation under law.

So this would ALLOW such cases as Schiavo and McMath to be handled individually.

As long as we rely on legal competition to decide policies, this leads to political abuse and bullying which precludes equal free choice and unabridged due process of law.

So I would require conflict resolution especially in cases involving religious/political differences since people's beliefs generally do not change by being forced by govt or law.

If people don't understand this concept in the nature of conflict, THAT should be part of conflict resolution training required for all citizens and ESPECIALLY for govt officials.

 

[Katzndogz]

Judges should not be making medical decisions. However, sometimes they will be right, as the judge was in the case of the child trying to get a lung transpant of adult lungs and sometimes they will be wrong as the judge was in this case.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Not just govt that should not be part of health decisions.

(And, PLEASE, do not introduce the rw lie that health care under ACA is controlled by government. If that lie is brought into this, I will ignore it.)

We need to do away with all health care insurance companies.

 

[Vox]

Jahi is dead. There is no case, so nobody should cover.

Terri Schiavo care was covered by private costs, as far as I remember, or Medicaid, which is a usual course after all the private costs are used.

 

[Vox]

Judges should not be making medical decisions. However, sometimes they will be right, as the judge was in the case of the child trying to get a lung transpant of adult lungs and sometimes they will be wrong as the judge was in this case.

No, he was not RIGHT.

That judge's decision is actually one of the most detrimental blows to the FAIR transplantology as it was known until that decision.

Now people with money and/or connections will get the transplant, because they will be able to hire a lawyer, the ones without it - will be dumped.

Before - the FAIR assesment was the decision maker.
The lungs of an adult should not have been wasted on a 10 year old.

 

[Truthmatters]

Terry Shiavo was an adult who had stated in LIFE what her wishes were.


those wishes needed to be honored don't you think?

 

[Vox]

Terri Schiavo and Jahai McMath are not remotely similar. Schiavo was not brain dead. Her body functioned on its own. She breathed on her own. Her heart beat on its own. McMath is simply dead.

The first thing is to educate the public in the differences between coma, persistent vegitative state and death.

People are free to waste their money any way they want to. If they want to donate to maintain a corpse in the belief that it will someday be resurrected they should do so. No insurance money or public funds should be available for such nonsense.

I agree on mass public education, but no longer have faith in GOVT being in charge, given the blatant biases and propaganda I've seen tax money wasted to promote.

Further, I would promote investing in medical education and public health internships TO TRAIN AND CREATE MORE SERVICE PROVIDERS AND FACILITIES, which buying insurance doesn't pay for.
So this goes beyond just educating the public on health and medical issues, but actually directing resources toward jobs and education in health care (where the medical professionals can cover the cost of their training through providing public services through clinics and teaching hospitals to resolve problems with student debts at the same time as health care reforms).

================================
ADDED NOTE on public education:

And I would include (if not require) citizens to receive training and assistance in CONFLICT RESOLUTION and mediation in order to qualify for tax paid services that represent the public.

This would reduce the costs of conflicts from wasting public resources. It would reward people who can resolve conflicts, and require those who cannot resolve their differences to PAY FOR THEIR OWN PROGRAMS and keep their religion/politics OUT OF GOVT. (This would also lead to limited govt, to reduce the bureaucracy, backlog, abuses and waste).

Once EACH CASE is subject to conflict resolution, then yes, the differences in EACH CASE and the beliefs of the individuals involved, can all be accommodated EQUALLY as required for Constitutional inclusion and equal protection/representation under law.

So this would ALLOW such cases as Schiavo and McMath to be handled individually.

As long as we rely on legal competition to decide policies, this leads to political abuse and bullying which precludes equal free choice and unabridged due process of law.

So I would require conflict resolution especially in cases involving religious/political differences since people's beliefs generally do not change by being forced by govt or law.

If people don't understand this concept in the nature of conflict, THAT should be part of conflict resolution training required for all citizens and ESPECIALLY for govt officials.

There is no case in Jahi's situation. she is dead and her body is slowly decomposing, while the heart is still beating.

And there was no GOVERNMENT intervention per se, except the judge's extension to January 7th, however, if they find the money for a private maintenance of a corpse - they should be able to, however ridiculous from the medical and legal standpoint it is.

But the education of the public and media ( as they are as ignorant as general public) is needed ASAP.

 

[Vox]

Terry Shiavo was an adult who had stated in LIFE what her wishes were.


those wishes needed to be honored don't you think?

No she DID NOT.

It was a lie her greedy husband maintained, but there was not ever a proof of it.

her sister and other relatives stated quite to the contrary

 

[Truthmatters]

and you chose whos lying or not?


do you understand marriage?

 

[Truthmatters]

Do you tell things to your spouse you don't tell to your sister ?

 

[Truthmatters]

Terry Shiavo was an adult who had stated in LIFE what her wishes were.


those wishes needed to be honored don't you think?

No she DID NOT.

It was a lie her greedy husband maintained, but there was not ever a proof of it.

her sister and other relatives stated quite to the contrary

Prove he and his wife never discussed it

 

[Katzndogz]

Judges should not be making medical decisions. However, sometimes they will be right, as the judge was in the case of the child trying to get a lung transpant of adult lungs and sometimes they will be wrong as the judge was in this case.

No, he was not RIGHT.

That judge's decision is actually one of the most detrimental blows to the FAIR transplantology as it was known until that decision.

Now people with money and/or connections will get the transplant, because they will be able to hire a lawyer, the ones without it - will be dumped.

Before - the FAIR assesment was the decision maker.
The lungs of an adult should not have been wasted on a 10 year old.

That ruling actually changed the rule. It used to he that children under 12 would automatically be denied transplant of adult lungs. That rule (there never was a law) was already being challenged based on advances in transplantation. It is now on a case by case basis in the judgment of the transplant team. In transplantation someone is always going to live and someone else die.

 

[Katzndogz]

I heard on the news that Jahai's corpse had some internal degeneration which may be an infection. Naturally her dead body won't make antibodies. Quite possibly decomposition has already started.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I heard on the news that Jahai's corpse had some internal degeneration which may be an infection. Naturally her dead body won't make antibodies. Quite possibly decomposition has already started.

The entire organism dies simultaneously.

Not just the brain.

 

[Katzndogz]

I heard on the news that Jahai's corpse had some internal degeneration which may be an infection. Naturally her dead body won't make antibodies. Quite possibly decomposition has already started.

The entire organism dies simultaneously.

Not just the brain.

That's why Jahai is all dead with machines assuming some bodily functions.

 

[Vox]

and you chose whos lying or not?


do you understand marriage?

Cui bono, darling.
it's obvious who is lying.

 

[Vox]

do you understand marriage?

you mean the piece of paper which does not prevent you from having girlfriends and kids while maintaining you have the right to inherit the MONEY from a wife you spend years to kill?

 

[Truthmatters]

On what basis?