Term Limits? How Would That Affect the so-called "Deep State"?

[candycorn]

Yep on birthright citizenship. No more anchor babies from our adversaries.

Unless you're a Native American; you're descendent from an anchor baby. So bon voyage.

Not sure about English as the national language, but its a great idea.

Xenophobia at it's worst.

There can be no national religion dumbass.

Don't under estimate the hate of the political right wing.

Deviant democrats want to ban religions.

Categorically false on every front.

 

[gipper]

Unless you're a Native American; you're descendent from an anchor baby. So bon voyage.

Xenophobia at it's worst.

Don't under estimate the hate of the political right wing.

Categorically false on every front.

 

[billyerock123]

This is all dreaming.

it takes a constitutional Amenement, with 2/3s voting yes, to change term limits....

It just, ain't gonna happen, no matter how much many citizens want it to change....

That's 2/3's vote in every state ... one state doesn't get a 2/3 vote the bill fails ... that's why it's so hard to remove an amendment ... that's why I laugh at stupid Republicans when they say Democrats are going to take away our guns... ...

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That's 2/3's vote in every state ... one state doesn't get a 2/3 vote the bill fails ... that's why it's so hard to remove an amendment ... that's why I laugh at stupid Republicans when they say Democrats are going to take away our guns... ...

democrats don't try and change the words of the second amendment, stupid, they claim it doesn't mean that a person can own a firearm.

 

[billyerock123]

democrats don't try and change the words of the second amendment, stupid, they claim it doesn't mean that a person can own a firearm.

if you want to say stupid things I can't help you ... saying claim it doesn't mean they can own a firearm is a violation of the second amendment ...

 

[billyerock123]

Sounds like projection….

seems you don't understand the meaning of the word fact ... like stating a fact is not a projection ... but republicans were never too bright ... they think they have a winning issue on abortion ... they will learn what is meant by the majority rules in this case ...

 

[billyerock123]

There are two ways to create Amendments and pass them into law. Most people don't seem to know that.

The Constitution’s Article V requires that an amendment be proposed by two-thirds of the House and Senate, or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the state legislatures. It is up to the states to approve a new amendment, with three-quarters of the states voting to ratify it.

The one instance of an amendment appeal, the 21st Amendment, shows how this unusual process works. The 18th Amendment ratified in 1919 prohibited “the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors” nationwide under most circumstances. By the early 1930s, Prohibition had become unpopular and Congress passed the 21st Amendment, with its repeal provision, in February 1933 just before Franklin Roosevelt became President. The amendment proposed for ratification included language never used before but permitted under Article V: state conventions (and not state legislatures) would be called for ratification votes, out of fear the temperance lobby would influence state lawmakers.

When Utah became the 36th state to approve the amendment in December 1933, the ratified 21st Amendment not only repealed the broad prohibition on alcohol, it also added language to the Constitution that states had the ability to define alcohol laws within their borders.

 

[billyerock123]

Term limits force pols to live under the laws they pass instead of getting paid by lobbyists for laws that benefit the lobbyists.

thats why there are lobbyists if you don't like the lobbyist bill ,vote for the other guy ... I mean not they republican guy ...
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[j-mac]

seems you don't understand the meaning of the word fact ... like stating a fact is not a projection ... but republicans were never too bright ... they think they have a winning issue on abortion ... they will learn what is meant by the majority rules in this case ...

You think a fact is anything you say? I saw no back up for your ridiculous pablum….

 

[kyzr]

Unless you're a Native American; you're descendant from an anchor baby. So bon voyage.
Xenophobia at it's worst.
Don't under estimate the hate of the political right wing.
Categorically false on every front.

The United States was founded in 1776 dumbass.
English is the dominant language
What hate?

 

[candycorn]

The United States was founded in 1776 dumbass.

So? Do the people who were here before you have rights? I'm sure you can't wait to strip away whatever rights they currently have in your coupvention.

English is the dominant language

So? E Pluribus Unum. But I guess you guys don't cotton to that way of thinking. Speaking of cotton...are you guys going to reduce blacks to 3/5 of a person again once you re-write the constitution?

What hate?

You're the expert...why are you so hateful?

 

[kyzr]

So? Do the people who were here before you have rights? I'm sure you can't wait to strip away whatever rights they currently have in your convention.
So? E Pluribus Unum. But I guess you guys don't cotton to that way of thinking. Speaking of cotton...are you guys going to reduce blacks to 3/5 of a person again once you re-write the constitution?
You're the expert...why are you so hateful?

So, before the United States of America was formed natives were born into and belonged to "tribes". A sovereign country can prescribe how citizenship is defined.
E Pluribus Unum is exactly right dumbass. If you even know what that means. We'll shove that race card up your ass if you keep trying to play it. E Pluribus Unum!
Dealing with low-IQ posters who have no clue what words mean, like "hateful", has its down side.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Term limits is about attracting the right kinds of people to office. We don't need any more power and money obsessed creeps who look at a political office as a coveted lucrative, cushy job, hanging on by their fingernails into their 80s and 90s. Term limits would be an attempt to get back to original idea of political office being a sacrifice and a service.

The founders didn't implement congressional term limits for a reason.

And as already pointed out, they would violate the constitution so would take an amendment.

 

[Burgermeister]

The founders didn't implement congressional term limits for a reason.

And as already pointed out, they would violate the constitution so would take an amendment.

Yes, they didn’t envision career politicians.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Yes, they didn’t envision career politicians.

What are you talking about?

That is the exactly what they envisioned.

Here is what James Madison had to say about it in federalist paper 53.

"[A] few of the members of Congress will possess superior talents; will by frequent re-elections, become members of long standing; will be thoroughly masters of the public business, and perhaps not unwilling to avail themselves of those advantages. The greater the proportion of new members of Congress, and the less the information of the bulk of the members, the more apt they be to fall into the snares that may be laid before them," wrote Madison.

Why Members of the US Congress Do Not Face Term Limits

Whenever Congress makes people mad, which seems to be most of the time lately; the call goes up for our national lawmakers to face term limits.

www.thoughtco.com

 

[Burgermeister]

What are you talking about?

That is the exactly what they envisioned.

Here is what James Madison had to say about it in federalist paper 53.

"[A] few of the members of Congress will possess superior talents; will by frequent re-elections, become members of long standing; will be thoroughly masters of the public business, and perhaps not unwilling to avail themselves of those advantages. The greater the proportion of new members of Congress, and the less the information of the bulk of the members, the more apt they be to fall into the snares that may be laid before them," wrote Madison.

Why Members of the US Congress Do Not Face Term Limits

Whenever Congress makes people mad, which seems to be most of the time lately; the call goes up for our national lawmakers to face term limits.

www.thoughtco.com

That's an interesting quote. Madison is obviously envisioning these particular "few members" have "superior talents". What we have is not a just a few exceptional representatives, most of them are only concerned with re-election and getting re-elected is their only "superior talent". I'm on the Jeffersonian side.

"All [reforms] can be... [achieved] peaceably by the people confining their choice of Representatives and Senators to persons attached to republican government and the principles of 1776; not office-hunters, but farmers whose interests are entirely agricultural. Such men are the true representatives of the great American interest and are alone to be relied on for expressing the proper American sentiments." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Campbell, 1797.

"A government by representatives elected by the people at short periods was our object, and our maxim... was, 'where annual election ends, tyranny begins;' nor have our departures from it been sanctioned by the happiness of their effects." --Thomas Jefferson to S. Adams, 1800.

"Whenever a man has cast a longing eye on [offices] a rottenness begins in his conduct." --Thomas Jefferson to T. Coxe, 1799.

 

[Catsnmeters]

That's an interesting quote. Madison is obviously envisioning these particular "few members" have "superior talents". What we have is not a just a few exceptional representatives, most of them are only concerned with re-election and getting re-elected is their only "superior talent". I'm on the Jeffersonian side.

No. He specifically by frequent re-elections.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

"All [reforms] can be... [achieved] peaceably by the people confining their choice of Representatives and Senators to persons attached to republican government and the principles of 1776; not office-hunters, but farmers whose interests are entirely agricultural. Such men are the true representatives of the great American interest and are alone to be relied on for expressing the proper American sentiments." --Thomas Jefferson to A. Campbell, 1797.

This has nothing to do with term limits. This has to do with regular citizens being in office.

"A government by representatives elected by the people at short periods was our object, and our maxim... was, 'where annual election ends, tyranny begins;' nor have our departures from it been sanctioned by the happiness of their effects." --Thomas Jefferson to S. Adams, 1800.

This also has nothing to do with term limits but instead addresses the need for elections.

"Whenever a man has cast a longing eye on [offices] a rottenness begins in his conduct." --Thomas Jefferson to T. Coxe, 1799.

This also has nothing to do with congressional term limits and could just as easily apply to a first term office holder.

I am sure our global enemies would love it if Congress was full of a bunch of noobs like AOC and MTG but that probably isn't the best thing for America in the long term.

 

[Burgermeister]

No. He specifically by frequent re-elections.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I can't make you understand your own quote.

 

[JohnDB]

Term limits won't really do much except create a bunch of idiots running for office.
However....
Removing the Corporate money will.
Also "automatic disqualification and removal from office" for any person discovered to have received such funds for campaigning.

Then we have the issue of the stock market.
Most of the congress is extremely guilty of "insider trading ".
Again...an absolute embarrassment.

 

[bripat9643]

The point of the OP was that the right wing constantly complains about these people whom they never name being deep state operatives. It would seem to me that they would not care so much about term limits for elected officials but care more about limiting how long Judy in accounting (for example) can hold her job since they seem to believe that she, somehow, steers the agency to favor us on the left.

Yeah, I know it's nuts but thats that they believe. This unnamed criminal organiazation.

You mean when we name them your kind just ignores what we said.

Peter Strzok seem to have had a lot of control with what the FBI did with regard to Trump, didn't he?