Televise All School Classes

[protectionist]

protectionist

It's the same old communist teachers diatribe of hating democrats .

But you make me laugh. You teach your kids about some God that doesn't exist.
You go to church and support a pastor fiddling with little kids yet get upset when they are taught the facts.

You've got FITH disease.

IGNORE.

 

[protectionist]

A professional teacher is what the children need.

Who does not teach CRT.

 

[protectionist]

The media consent form is the law! STFU and learn something from someone who dealt with it for 21 years. What is the purpose in blurring out the kids faces? The audio will still be there. You would not be able to see which blurry image was your little hellion unless you heard the voice. What you propose in your obviously dementia-riddled brain is simply impossible. I have told you before, you need to get a grip on reality! You keep claiming things are possible when they are not. Your best bet is to STFU and slink off this thread before someone else reads your insanity.

So it's the law. That's nice. And if/when a new law is passed, requiring television of classrooms, then THAT will be the law.

And I say one again, stopping CRT from going into kids' heads is more important than the question of hearing the kids talking.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The biggest problem with this entire insanity is funding. Who will pay for it?

There are about 98,500 public schools in the US. Putting a camera in each classroom, focused on the front of the class, having a computer system capable of sorting numerous parental requests for access, and letting them see the proper classroom, along with a substantial recording capability (for records if something is done wrong) would be expensive.

If you spent $10,000 per school (a huge lowball amount) it would cost $985 million. Having done a lot of work in the cable and fiber optics industry, I think a realistic minimum would be $25k per school (not counting the cost of the technicians to run it and maintain it).

Spending $25k per school would cost the US $2,462,500,000.00. Spending almost $2.5 Billion? Where will that money come from? Certainly not the individual school districts.

That question was answered 2 days ago in Post # 35.

I don't know if this guy is a current technician ... one server per school with three or four dozen wireless transmitting cameras and a usb down load... less than a thousand. less than the electric bill for one week... less than the money spent on the front lawn... They don't need a large or expensive computer either. Probably can use one they have hanging around. If a school doesn't have a thousand to spend.... I'm calling bullshit. They passed out the chrome books.... at first I thought...OMG this must cost a fortune! Nope.....I talked to the local school bard and I was told that it was instead a major cost savings. As opposed to spending upward of 2000 a piece for a complete set of school books they spent instead about 400 a piece for a much more versatile piece of technology. Chrome book stops working? Call and you get a new one in less than 1/2 hour. Sign in and all your stuff is there. Including the cameras footage! Each Chrome book has a camera on it... one on the teachers desk is all that is needed... Don't even need to install a camera.... These people are either too old to know better or they are just purposely ignorant. There will no longer be any snow days here....lol.

3 or 4 dozen would not cover an elementary school. You have no concept of scale required to do this.

One of my school districts bought a laptop for every student from elementary through high school. On any given day, half of the student's computers would be dead because they were not charged, There were 4 electrical outlets in the classroom, because the school was built in the 1950s. Each classroom required a wireless hub since the walls were too thick for the signal to carry. On any given day, three to four students laptops had shattered screens and those took weeks to acquire replacements and install them.

Another district bought laptops for juniors and seniors. I taught math in that school system, so I had all grade levels. The upper classmen's computers were useless because there was none for the freshmen and sophomores. Great plan, huh?

The fact that Chromebooks have very little installed memory, you pay for the required servers to perform that function. More costs!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The media consent form is the law! STFU and learn something from someone who dealt with it for 21 years. What is the purpose in blurring out the kids faces? The audio will still be there. You would not be able to see which blurry image was your little hellion unless you heard the voice. What you propose in your obviously dementia-riddled brain is simply impossible. I have told you before, you need to get a grip on reality! You keep claiming things are possible when they are not. Your best bet is to STFU and slink off this thread before someone else reads your insanity.

So it's the law. That's nice. And if/when a new law is passed, requiring television of classrooms, then THAT will be the law.

And I say one again, stopping CRT from going into kids' heads is more important than the question of hearing the kids talking.

That is NOT happening and you are the only dipshit who seems to support it because it is a non-starter.

So you have gone back to television even after everyone has proven that stupid idea will not work on any planet.

Yoy are so stupid, you probably wouldn't recognize CRT if it was being taught and you'd think regular old American history was CRT if it was not.

 

[justoffal]

The biggest problem with this entire insanity is funding. Who will pay for it?

There are about 98,500 public schools in the US. Putting a camera in each classroom, focused on the front of the class, having a computer system capable of sorting numerous parental requests for access, and letting them see the proper classroom, along with a substantial recording capability (for records if something is done wrong) would be expensive.

If you spent $10,000 per school (a huge lowball amount) it would cost $985 million. Having done a lot of work in the cable and fiber optics industry, I think a realistic minimum would be $25k per school (not counting the cost of the technicians to run it and maintain it).

Spending $25k per school would cost the US $2,462,500,000.00. Spending almost $2.5 Billion? Where will that money come from? Certainly not the individual school districts.

That question was answered 2 days ago in Post # 35.

I don't know if this guy is a current technician ... one server per school with three or four dozen wireless transmitting cameras and a usb down load... less than a thousand. less than the electric bill for one week... less than the money spent on the front lawn... They don't need a large or expensive computer either. Probably can use one they have hanging around. If a school doesn't have a thousand to spend.... I'm calling bullshit. They passed out the chrome books.... at first I thought...OMG this must cost a fortune! Nope.....I talked to the local school bard and I was told that it was instead a major cost savings. As opposed to spending upward of 2000 a piece for a complete set of school books they spent instead about 400 a piece for a much more versatile piece of technology. Chrome book stops working? Call and you get a new one in less than 1/2 hour. Sign in and all your stuff is there. Including the cameras footage! Each Chrome book has a camera on it... one on the teachers desk is all that is needed... Don't even need to install a camera.... These people are either too old to know better or they are just purposely ignorant. There will no longer be any snow days here....lol.

3 or 4 dozen would not cover an elementary school. You have no concept of scale required to do this.

One of my school districts bought a laptop for every student from elementary through high school. On any given day, half of the student's computers would be dead because they were not charged, There were 4 electrical outlets in the classroom, because the school was built in the 1950s. Each classroom required a wireless hub since the walls were too thick for the signal to carry. On any given day, three to four students laptops had shattered screens and those took weeks to acquire replacements and install them.

Another district bought laptops for juniors and seniors. I taught math in that school system, so I had all grade levels. The upper classmen's computers were useless because there was none for the freshmen and sophomores. Great plan, huh?

The fact that Chromebooks have very little installed memory, you pay for the required servers to perform that function. More costs!

It would here.....you have more than 36 rooms in your elementary school????.... UM......never seen a school that size and I'm in a pretty good sized metropolis.

JO

 

[WinterBorn]

You saw the estimates of cost posted in this thread.

No, I missed those off the cuff guessitmates

Would you care to throw them against the wall again to see if they stick?

Since I posted the original, I will throw it against the wall. I know it will stick because I have spend 20+ years in the business and it is a low-ball estimate.

"The biggest problem with this entire insanity is funding. Who will pay for it?

There are about 98,500 public schools in the US. Putting a camera in each classroom, focused on the front of the class, having a computer system capable of sorting numerous parental requests for access, and letting them see the proper classroom, along with a substantial recording capability (for records if something is done wrong) would be expensive.

If you spent $10,000 per school (a huge lowball amount) it would cost $985 million. Having done a lot of work in the cable and fiber optics industry, I think a realistic minimum would be $25k per school (not counting the cost of the technicians to run it and maintain it).

Spending $25k per school would cost the US $2,462,500,000.00. Spending almost $2.5 Billion? Where will that money come from? Certainly not the individual school districts."

 

[protectionist]

That makes zero sense like most of your posts. There are many states out there that have banned CRT. Why don't you bitch at the ones who have not shit-canned it? My state NEVER taught it and likely never will. We have to wait until the next legislative session to put it into law, over our libtard governor's likely veto.

How do you know CRT was "NEVER taught" in your state ? Don't even try to answer that. You don't know, and it probably is being taught there in hundreds of public schools, which you know nothing about.

 

[Winco]

The overall concept that most parents want access to their children (through videoing every moment of the day) in the classroom is just not true.

Mac-7 and protectionist have been effective trolls. That’s all they are….trolls supporting a ridiculous idea that most Don’t support by trolling that “everyone wants this” to protect the children.

 

[WinterBorn]

Trim salaries that are already the second lowest in the US for professions requiring a degree? Yeah, who are you going to get to teach? My God, do you ever listen to how stupid your posts sound?

Teacher annual salaries are for a 9 month year (and they generally work a 6 hour day). 9AM - 3PM.

Who in the hell told you they only work 6 hours a day?

Allow me to educate you on the reality of a teacher's day. I Get Paid for 180 Days of Work Each Year, but I Actually Work More Than 250

And schools usually have students arriving at 7:30am. You think teachers don't get to work until 9am? You really are an idiot. And when do they grade work? When do they plan the curriculum? You are clueless.

 

[protectionist]

That's stupid! Research show students learn better in smaller classes. If you could get 48 kids in one of my classrooms, I would kiss your ass and have the picture on the front of the New York Times. You might be able to do that if you killed them all and stacked them like cord wood.

Do you have any other moronic ideas to contribute?

His idea was perfectly sensible, and yes, my classes were larger than the ones common today, too. Not 48 kids, but still much larger.

Good post, Polishprince.

 

[WinterBorn]

That's not the way it works. Have a nice day!

The OP is suggesting to MAKE IT WORK that way. If it was that way already, there would be no need for the suggestion. Duh!

The OP never suggested how we PAY for your pipedream of cameras in the classroom.

 

[WinterBorn]

That's stupid! Research show students learn better in smaller classes. If you could get 48 kids in one of my classrooms, I would kiss your ass and have the picture on the front of the New York Times. You might be able to do that if you killed them all and stacked them like cord wood.

Do you have any other moronic ideas to contribute?

His idea was perfectly sensible, and yes, my classes were larger than the ones common today, too. Not 48 kids, but still much larger.

Good post, Polishprince.

Judging by this post, your more crowded classroom did not contribute to you having a good education.

Smaller classrooms have always been known to be better. But due to having fewer teachers and fewer useable classrooms, we have been forced to accept larger class sizes.

The money that you want spent on this insane surveillance system could provide better facilities and more qualified teachers. And THAT would be a guaranteed improvement in the education system.

 

[WinterBorn]

A professional teacher is what the children need.

Who does not teach CRT.

The curriculum is decided by someone well above the teacher's pay grade.

 

[protectionist]

Another moronic statement? Does it never end with you?

Many states never closed their schools during the pandemic or closed for only a short period of time. You need to get your head out of your ass or CNN, wherever it has been, and realize the only schools that stayed closed are those in libtard dominated cities and states. Our schools closed because we have a libtard governor. When he knew his powers were going to be stripped by the legislature, he relented.

Obviously, he was talking about those states (typically blue) that WERE closed during the pandemic. ......

Good post, Mac-7.

 

[WinterBorn]

The biggest problem with this entire insanity is funding. Who will pay for it?

There are about 98,500 public schools in the US. Putting a camera in each classroom, focused on the front of the class, having a computer system capable of sorting numerous parental requests for access, and letting them see the proper classroom, along with a substantial recording capability (for records if something is done wrong) would be expensive.

If you spent $10,000 per school (a huge lowball amount) it would cost $985 million. Having done a lot of work in the cable and fiber optics industry, I think a realistic minimum would be $25k per school (not counting the cost of the technicians to run it and maintain it).

Spending $25k per school would cost the US $2,462,500,000.00. Spending almost $2.5 Billion? Where will that money come from? Certainly not the individual school districts.

That question was answered 2 days ago in Post # 35.

I don't know if this guy is a current technician ... one server per school with three or four dozen wireless transmitting cameras and a usb down load... less than a thousand. less than the electric bill for one week... less than the money spent on the front lawn... They don't need a large or expensive computer either. Probably can use one they have hanging around. If a school doesn't have a thousand to spend.... I'm calling bullshit. They passed out the chrome books.... at first I thought...OMG this must cost a fortune! Nope.....I talked to the local school bard and I was told that it was instead a major cost savings. As opposed to spending upward of 2000 a piece for a complete set of school books they spent instead about 400 a piece for a much more versatile piece of technology. Chrome book stops working? Call and you get a new one in less than 1/2 hour. Sign in and all your stuff is there. Including the camera's footage! Sooooooooooooo while we weren't looking surveillance has been fully achieved. Each Chrome book has a camera on it... one on the teachers desk is all that is needed... Don't even need to install a camera.... These people are either too old to know better or they are just purposely ignorant. There will no longer be any snow days here....lol.

Having the bandwidth to provide video from every classroom requires fiber optics and a good server. Allowing a few hundred parents to sign in and select a specific classroom is not going to be done with some CPU they have lying around. Having the recording capability, to avoid lawsuits when someone claims they saw something, would require even more technology.

 

[justoffal]

The biggest problem with this entire insanity is funding. Who will pay for it?

There are about 98,500 public schools in the US. Putting a camera in each classroom, focused on the front of the class, having a computer system capable of sorting numerous parental requests for access, and letting them see the proper classroom, along with a substantial recording capability (for records if something is done wrong) would be expensive.

If you spent $10,000 per school (a huge lowball amount) it would cost $985 million. Having done a lot of work in the cable and fiber optics industry, I think a realistic minimum would be $25k per school (not counting the cost of the technicians to run it and maintain it).

Spending $25k per school would cost the US $2,462,500,000.00. Spending almost $2.5 Billion? Where will that money come from? Certainly not the individual school districts.

That question was answered 2 days ago in Post # 35.

I don't know if this guy is a current technician ... one server per school with three or four dozen wireless transmitting cameras and a usb down load... less than a thousand. less than the electric bill for one week... less than the money spent on the front lawn... They don't need a large or expensive computer either. Probably can use one they have hanging around. If a school doesn't have a thousand to spend.... I'm calling bullshit. They passed out the chrome books.... at first I thought...OMG this must cost a fortune! Nope.....I talked to the local school bard and I was told that it was instead a major cost savings. As opposed to spending upward of 2000 a piece for a complete set of school books they spent instead about 400 a piece for a much more versatile piece of technology. Chrome book stops working? Call and you get a new one in less than 1/2 hour. Sign in and all your stuff is there. Including the cameras footage! Each Chrome book has a camera on it... one on the teachers desk is all that is needed... Don't even need to install a camera.... These people are either too old to know better or they are just purposely ignorant. There will no longer be any snow days here....lol.

3 or 4 dozen would not cover an elementary school. You have no concept of scale required to do this.

One of my school districts bought a laptop for every student from elementary through high school. On any given day, half of the student's computers would be dead because they were not charged, There were 4 electrical outlets in the classroom, because the school was built in the 1950s. Each classroom required a wireless hub since the walls were too thick for the signal to carry. On any given day, three to four students laptops had shattered screens and those took weeks to acquire replacements and install them.

Another district bought laptops for juniors and seniors. I taught math in that school system, so I had all grade levels. The upper classmen's computers were useless because there was none for the freshmen and sophomores. Great plan, huh?

The fact that Chromebooks have very little installed memory, you pay for the required servers to perform that function. More costs!

If you can't get students to charge their Chromebooks ..you need a hell of a lot more than in person teaching.
There is no way one person can compete with the new technology.... ( now I'm gong to stop right here and tell you that I am a fan of personal instruction....but that has nothing to do with the technology wave that will sooner or later totally change public schooling.) Once again this is not a debate about right or wrong....this is a clarion call to those who are listening that this IS INDEED ON THE WAY.....people said much the same of cell phones when they were first introduced.

Each school system already has its own server....or at least the one here does. The chrome books give kids access to an entire library of instruction including teachers from all over the world. Is it going to take some time? Yes...don't forget that the pandemic forced this on use when we were not yet ready for it and it still worked pretty good. You keep the Data for seven days then reuse the storage vessel. No you won't capture every moment but that is also not necessary. In any case this is all wasted...
The end of the current brick and mortar system is imminent so this conversation is about lounge Chairs as opposed to straight chairs on the deck of the titanic.

JO

 

[protectionist]

Libs threw that idea out the window decades ago

Now the adults are ruled by the children

All the more reason to televise the classes. CRT or not.

 

[justoffal]

The biggest problem with this entire insanity is funding. Who will pay for it?

There are about 98,500 public schools in the US. Putting a camera in each classroom, focused on the front of the class, having a computer system capable of sorting numerous parental requests for access, and letting them see the proper classroom, along with a substantial recording capability (for records if something is done wrong) would be expensive.

If you spent $10,000 per school (a huge lowball amount) it would cost $985 million. Having done a lot of work in the cable and fiber optics industry, I think a realistic minimum would be $25k per school (not counting the cost of the technicians to run it and maintain it).

Spending $25k per school would cost the US $2,462,500,000.00. Spending almost $2.5 Billion? Where will that money come from? Certainly not the individual school districts.

That question was answered 2 days ago in Post # 35.

I don't know if this guy is a current technician ... one server per school with three or four dozen wireless transmitting cameras and a usb down load... less than a thousand. less than the electric bill for one week... less than the money spent on the front lawn... They don't need a large or expensive computer either. Probably can use one they have hanging around. If a school doesn't have a thousand to spend.... I'm calling bullshit. They passed out the chrome books.... at first I thought...OMG this must cost a fortune! Nope.....I talked to the local school bard and I was told that it was instead a major cost savings. As opposed to spending upward of 2000 a piece for a complete set of school books they spent instead about 400 a piece for a much more versatile piece of technology. Chrome book stops working? Call and you get a new one in less than 1/2 hour. Sign in and all your stuff is there. Including the camera's footage! Sooooooooooooo while we weren't looking surveillance has been fully achieved. Each Chrome book has a camera on it... one on the teachers desk is all that is needed... Don't even need to install a camera.... These people are either too old to know better or they are just purposely ignorant. There will no longer be any snow days here....lol.

Having the bandwidth to provide video from every classroom requires fiber optics and a good server. Allowing a few hundred parents to sign in and select a specific classroom is not going to be done with some CPU they have lying around. Having the recording capability, to avoid lawsuits when someone claims they saw something, would require even more technology.

I've done the same with Blue tooth dude....( i know it won't work for computer screens but we're talking simple surveillance ) look this is a futile argument. The technology is there and it's cheap.... I have personally watched entire class room sessions on my grandson's chrome book. I don't do what you do for a living so I'm not going to debate you in your specialty that would be dumb of me. This thing has already been done.
The kids sitting in class during the hybrid sessions frequently turned their cameras out the other way..... I'm sure they weren't supposed to but I think you hear what I am saying. I'm not saying we should do this...I'm telling you we are doing it already.

The teacher's face and voice were visible and audible for the entire 1 hour and 20 minutes of each session. I didn't look over his shoulder constantly but I could have.

JO

 

[protectionist]

In the end?

What you teach you kids in the home makes more of a difference than what ideas they try to put into your kid in the schools.

If you pay attention, and teach your values in the home, your kid will still reflect your values.

This is, and always has been America. Sure, there might be a leftist agenda with some teachers and administrators, but IMO? American culture is a bit more resilient than that.

Have a little faith. It makes no difference if the teachers are conservative or even if they are liberals. . . most of them are NOT leftists. And even if they are? What of it, you think families are?

IMO? Most Americans still believe in the core values of America, and still believe all kids, no matter what their back-ground or skin color, are all equal, and should be treated the same in the end.

This all just may be a rudimentary attempt, to make folks aware of implicit biases at an early age, especially if they are a part of the IN-GROUP.

. . . fostering empathy is never a bad thing.

I made my kid read the novel "To Kill a Mockingbird," when he was in sixth grade. . . naturally, he was a bit irritated when eight grade rolled around and it was an assigned reading, and asked me, did he have to read it again? I told him, if he could remember the details clearly enough to get an "A" on all the assignments, no, otherwise, of course he had to.

I couldn't disagree more. Kids are being brainwashed by CRT, and other ultra-liberal garbage, and they are totally at odds with their conservative parents, and are the real life counterparts of Mike & Gloria & Archie Bunker.

It was that way too when I was young, and very liberal.