Teenager and 20 year old shot Friday night....in Britain, where they have gun control...

[August West]

Does the UK or any other developed country have the toddler problem like we have? Perhaps it takes one good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun.
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Does the UK or any other developed country have the toddler problem like we have? Perhaps it takes one good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun.
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

But you also need to factor in how many toddlers were saved because they were tooled up.

Good toddlers should not be punished for the actions of bad toddlers who are probably illegal or black.

 

[2aguy]

Hilarious.Define violent crime because it is different in every country.
Or why not stick to murder because a corpse is a corpse everywhere.
You people have no integrity. You lie as easily as you breath, you quote false stats as if they were taken fr the scriptures and you dont give a **** what happens in your communities as long as you get to play with your penis extensions.
In the US someone has been shot and killed whilst you have read this thread. In the UK someone has made a cup of tea.

And you need to get help with your sexual fixation on guns.......

There is no lying here....Britain is experiencing more gun crime.....Britain is actually a more violent place than the rest of Europe, and even the United States......truth.....

And after banning guns.....on an island nation....you have more gun crime, not less....and your teenagers are becoming killers...they are currently stabbing each other to death.....and they are starting to use guns more and more......you are about to enter the 1960s as far as your crime rate is concerned......our crime rates spiked in the 1960s....gun murder sky rocketed....and you are now entering that period in your development......you had a reprieve due to World War 2.....and now you are about to see what violence is really like....

Repeating shite doesnt make it true.

here you go

House of Commons - Home Affairs - Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence

Since 1967, homicide figures for England and Wales have been adjusted to exclude any cases which do not result in conviction

You need to quantify the number that do not lead to a conviction to have any credibility. You get me a figure, we can add it to the convicted number and it will still be way below Americas slaughter.

29 people were killed by guns in the US on Thursday and 32 were killed on Wednesday. Please drop the pretence that guns make you safer.

and yours is not as idyllic as you want to believe

but the murder rate has always been lower in the UK than the US gun bans or not and the fact that we have 2 different definition of murder doesn't hurt your cause either

Our non gun murder rate was higher than their total murder rate....which is something the anti gunners refuse to understand...since they focus on guns...and not the criminals.....

 

[2aguy]

Does the UK or any other developed country have the toddler problem like we have? Perhaps it takes one good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun.
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

320 million people in the U.S.....accidental gun deaths...going down as we went from 200 million guns to 357-400 million guns with over 15 million people in America Carrying guns for self defense....

So as more people own and carry guns...our accidental gun death rate is going down.....moron....

The actual numbers....keep in mind, genius.....

320,000,000 people in the U.S.......accidental gun deaths with 357-400 million guns.... 489.

Accidental car deaths in 2015... 36,161



Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2015...489

2014.....486
2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824


And if you are worried about Toddlers dying....get rid of cars......

Leading Causes of Death | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

Death by car and gun by age, 1015...

<1.... Car 64, Gun 1

1-4.... Car 332, Gun 25

5-9.... Car 351, Gun 7

10-14.... Car 412, Gun 15

15-19.... Car 2,535, Gun 52

Total Car.... 3,694

Total Gun.... 100

Total car accidental death

 

[2aguy]

Does the UK or any other developed country have the toddler problem like we have? Perhaps it takes one good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun.
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

But you also need to factor in how many toddlers were saved because they were tooled up.

Good toddlers should not be punished for the actions of bad toddlers who are probably illegal or black.

Yes....actual stats from the CDC show you have no clue what you are talking about...but please...keep talking out of your ass....it isn't funny when Jim Carrey used to do it....and it isn't funny when you do it...but it does show people how ignorant you are on this subject....

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Does the UK or any other developed country have the toddler problem like we have? Perhaps it takes one good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun.
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

But you also need to factor in how many toddlers were saved because they were tooled up.

Good toddlers should not be punished for the actions of bad toddlers who are probably illegal or black.

Yes....actual stats from the CDC show you have no clue what you are talking about...but please...keep talking out of your ass....it isn't funny when Jim Carrey used to do it....and it isn't funny when you do it...but it does show people how ignorant you are on this subject....

You could save yourself a lot of time making up bogus stats by just admitting that you love your guns and dont give a **** who gets hurt. Its the truth.

 

[2aguy]

Does the UK or any other developed country have the toddler problem like we have? Perhaps it takes one good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun.
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

But you also need to factor in how many toddlers were saved because they were tooled up.

Good toddlers should not be punished for the actions of bad toddlers who are probably illegal or black.

Yes....actual stats from the CDC show you have no clue what you are talking about...but please...keep talking out of your ass....it isn't funny when Jim Carrey used to do it....and it isn't funny when you do it...but it does show people how ignorant you are on this subject....

You could save yourself a lot of time making up bogus stats by just admitting that you love your guns and dont give a **** who gets hurt. Its the truth.

How are they bogus stats numb nuts......you can't refute stats from the CDC....I have given you the link, you can check the numbers yourself.....but because the numbers show you are a dumb ass, you call them bogus.....

Then.....when studies show that Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives....a number researched and discovered by bill clinton and his Department of Justice and supported by barak obama and his CDC in 2013 when they researched all of the available gun research spending 10 million dollars to do it.......you say I don't care about people....

Let's see genius....

1,500,000 violent crimes stopped....that means rapes and murders as well as other violent crimes....

Vs. 9,616 gun murders....70-80% of those victims being criminals involved in the criminal life style...and of those not actual criminals, they are friends and family of actual criminals......so.....

1,923 actual innocent victims of gun murder in the United States in 2015......taking the 80% number.....

1,500,000 violent crimes stopped by Americans using guns..... vs. 1,923 innocent people murdered by guns...

So genius....who cares about victims more....me....who wants 1,500,000 people to survive attacks by criminals...or you...who would rather they get raped, robbed and murdered....

You are talking out of your ass again....

 

[dani67]

Yep....when you outlaw guns only the outlaws will have them...as Britain keeps finding out....

Murder probe launched after teenage boy shot dead in east London

A murder investigation has been launched after a teenage boy was shot dead in east London.

Scotland Yard said a boy in his “mid-teens” was killed and another man in his early 20s was injured after the pair were shot in Newham on Friday night.

The boy was pronounced dead at the scene after suffering a gunshot wound, police said. The other victim is not thought to have suffered life-threatening injuries, and it is not yet clear whether the two shootings are linked.

Terrified witnesses told how they heard gunshots being fired just before 11pm before police descended on the scene in North Woolwich.

One said: "I went to the area to get some Chinese. Whilst I was there I heard a couple of shots, sudden bangs.

"Suddenly there was a tonne of police cars and squad cars in the area, lots of blue lights. Spoke to my former neighbour, she said she heard the same thing as me... sounded like gun shots."

its
Fallacy

 

[JakeStarkey]

2aguy keep arguing against the fact that the ratio of gun violence death in UK compared to USA of 1 to 12 adjusted per capita. Remove the gun laws and watch the increase super spike. west argues the spike has do with violence by immigrants in US but can't prove it, which is quite typical for westwall.

 

[2aguy]

2aguy keep arguing against the fact that the ratio of gun violence death in UK compared to USA of 1 to 12 adjusted per capita. Remove the gun laws and watch the increase super spike. west argues the spike has do with violence by immigrants in US but can't prove it, which is quite typical for westwall.

And that isn't the truth..........Britain had less gun violence than the United States before they banned guns...it spiked right after the ban, and returned to the same level...they always had lower gun violence and murder rates than the United States, even when they had legal access to guns...so your point has no bearing on the situation....

And as my research shows........gun crime in Britain has gone up......4% over all and as high as 10% in London and the other cities....you think that what used to be true will always be true....and that is why you are clueless....

Britain was set back by World War 2...but now they are catching up with us as their single teenage mothers are creating street thugs who are now more willing to commit murder than before.....and they have imported violent criminals who are also more willing to kill.....

So you are talking out of your ass.......

 

[Skull Pilot]

Does the UK or any other developed country have the toddler problem like we have? Perhaps it takes one good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun.
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

still trying to push that one toddler a week bullshit

more kids die from drowning than by accidental shootings so if you're going to get all "outraged" about accidental child deaths why don't you start with the worst offenders?

Firearms aren't even in the top 10

 

[JakeStarkey]

Skull and 2aguy simply cannot get around the numbers that say gun laws greatly reduce death by guns in UK.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You can stick your gun nut lies up your arse you sad ****. None of it is true. You also forget in your racist diatribe that the Norwegian killer was actually a norwegian.
Its a European country you thick inbred ******.

Why dont you go and shoot some squirrels you piece of shit.

Be, he hit a nerve, didn't he

 

[2aguy]

Skull and 2aguy simply cannot get around the numbers that say gun laws greatly reduce death by guns in UK.

They don't do that moron.....I have shown you the stats....you are lying......gun deaths were low in Britain before the ban and didn't go lower than that after the ban...in fact, they are now going up....

Homicides in England and Wales up 14%

The police-recorded crime figures include a 9% rise in knife crime and a 4% rise in gun crime, which are thought to reflect a rise in gang violence largely in London and Manchester.

The rise in gun crime is the first recorded for eight years and includes a 10% rise in London.

 

[2aguy]

Skull and 2aguy simply cannot get around the numbers that say gun laws greatly reduce death by guns in UK.

and Liverpool....

Gun crime in Liverpool: Why? What? Where? - CCTV.co.uk

Gang warfare on Liverpool’s streets

A major factor in recent gun crime in Liverpool is that some of the city’s most substantial criminal fraternities have been eradicated, leading to smaller gangs battling in fragmented “turf wars” and tit-for-tat crime sprees.




Gun smuggling also a factor

Clearly the ebb and flow of Liverpool’s gangs is a central theme.

Another key factor in the upturn in Liverpool’s gun crime is that guns are now more readily available than ever before.

The main smuggling route is from eastern European countries such as Albania and Lithuania. Police forces throughout the UK report that they have made significant seizures recently of guns coming in from Franc




triggerpool....


TRIGGERPOOL: Liverpool gets killer nickname after recent surge in gun deaths

There were 36 attacks in the first five months of this year as rivalries spilled over in Speke, Aigburth, Garston, Vauxhall, Kirkdale, Walton, Everton, Bootle and Croxteth.

Mark Hillman was shot dead in April as he walked down a cul-de-sac in Everton. He had earlier been slashed across the face.

In an unconnected attack, a man from Speke was shot in the face, suffering horrific eye injuries.




Anti gun campaign launched after 75 shooting incidents in the last 12 months

The past 12 months have seen gun violence rip through the heart of Liverpool and the surrounding area.

Since January 2016 there has been more than 75 shootings, leading to the deaths of three men – Mark Hillman, Blake Brown and Thomas Baker.

 

[JakeStarkey]

None of these number mitigate the fact of a 1:12 ratio, 2aguy.

You simply can't get around that gun laws work.

 

[JakeStarkey]

None of these number mitigate the fact of a 1:12 ratio, 2aguy.

You simply can't get around that gun laws work.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Skull and 2aguy simply cannot get around the numbers that say gun laws greatly reduce death by guns in UK.

but they don't

As I already told you the murder rate in the UK is about that same as it was in 1950 now if all those strict gun control laws of the 60.s really reduced murder wouldn't the murder rate be lower than before the gun laws?

Our murder rate is the same as it was in 1950 even though we have more guns than ever if guns caused murder rates to go up why isn't our murder rate going up every year?

 

[Skull Pilot]

None of these number mitigate the fact of a 1:12 ratio, 2aguy.

You simply can't get around that gun laws work.

take into account that the murder rate in the UK has always been lower

Our murder rates are at 1950 levels without all the strict gun laws of the UK

Murder rates in the UK are at their 1950 level even with all the gun laws passed after 1950

so it seems that all those gun laws didn't do shit for lowering the murder rate

 

[August West]

Does the UK or any other developed country have the toddler problem like we have? Perhaps it takes one good toddler with a gun to stop a bad toddler with a gun.
People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year

still trying to push that one toddler a week bullshit

more kids die from drowning than by accidental shootings so if you're going to get all "outraged" about accidental child deaths why don't you start with the worst offenders?

Firearms aren't even in the top 10

Yes. One toddler shooting a week. Kids need swimming pools more than they need guns dumbass. If you want to talk about swimming pools start your own thread Empty Skull.