Teen arrested for defending him self against the mob!

[Jitss617]

I'm still hazy on what happened with the first shooting. That could easily change things.

I think there's a lot of grey in this incident. I can see a final ruling landing somewhere in the middle of both extremes. On one hand, he shouldn't have even been there and this is why we don't let kids play with guns. On the other hand, the second and third shootings were clearly self-defense.

And frankly, I'm not big on the protests for Jacob Blake either, at least with the evidence I've seen so far.

Nope, not self defense. He was fleeing from a felony murder. He did not have the law on his side to kill others attempting to effect a citizen's arrest.

He was running from a mob lol it’s on video, One guy was going to execute them at point-blank range if he wasn’t skilled enough to shoot his ******* arm off

He started running after shooting his first victim even though no one was chasing him.

He was chased by the shootee ,, he was cornered, he immediately called the cops and said he killed someone.. than he was chased, again by the mob

Cornered? Where? he ran between two parked cars and then around one of them after shooting his victim. How is that possible if he was cornered?

He was tired of running,, no man should run from a mob,, same guy called him a ****** earlier, why did he hide his face with his shirt?

LOLOL

You poor, demented Russian troll, he wasn't running from a mob.

Lol there is video of it,, they were throwing stuff at him one looked like a bottle that was on fire

Yes, there is. And it shows him being chased by 1 guy, not a mob. Like I said, you're demented.

Not what I saw .. I saw man in the street

 

[Juicin]

So Tamir Rice gets shot and killed over a toy gun even though he harmed no one but this guy gets to murder people, march down the road with his gun and gets to go home?

If people had rioted over Tamir Rice you'd probably see like 95% support

There were protests. No, there was not 95% support. There was even less of a reason for Elijah McClain to have been killed. Where is the support?

McClain resisted arrest

And wasn't in middle school

There was NO reason to arrest him. You don't arrest someone for walking home from the store..........unless you are black of course.

You arrest people for not following commands...?

Certainly don't struggle

Guy was either crazy or just so angry he was in that moment manic

Yes, he had social anxiety issues. But cops are going to learn that you don't assault someone while doing nothing illegal just because they do not jump when you say jump.

We will get there or the country will burn.

Again as soon as he failed to follow commands he was doing something illegal

No he wasn't.

It was his fault he has ******* anxiety not the worlds

Cops did the right thing. Even sent him off in an ambulance instead of beating teh shit out of him and putting him in a cell. Maybe the paramedics killed him or his anxiety. Wasn't the cops

The cops only assaulted him which lead to the rest. If they had left him alone like they should have none of it happens.

Failing to follow a lawful order is illegal

Now had he said get on your knees and give me a bj yea he'd have a right to not comply

All he had to do was stop and look at them, then sue them

It wasn't lawful.

Yes it was....

Your redress is suing the officers not struggling.

No it was not. He had done nothing wrong and the police had no reason to believe he had. In that case they have no lawful reason to stop you.

It doesn't matter. If a cop tells me to stop I have to stop. Whether i was doing something wrong or not.

That's how our law works.

I'm sure there is a legal phrase for it that google would reveal. You don't seem to understand how our law around policing works.

If they want to detain me and I physically resist....that's resisting arrest

Whether or not was a good arrest needs lawyers. As a citizen I have to submit.

No you do not. It's sad how many people do not know their rights. Unless they can express a reason for a stop you can tell them to screw off.

Yea you can SAY it

You can't actively resist if they make a bad arrest

lol

Your right is to sue them for the bad arrest. Not fight them in the street. WHat the **** is wrong with you?

You can. You are allowed to protect yourself from an assault.

When a cop does it, it's not an assault bud

Yes it is. The police are not above the law. There have been many lawsuits over police assaults.

How this eludes you I have no idea.

You need to call your lawyer if you believe that. Or if he told you that, get a new one. Pure ******* stupidity

"i have a right to resist arrest". Under no circumstances. Simply fleeing is a crime

He wasn't "fleeing". He was walking home minding his own business.

Yea he actively resisted, so much so they instead of taking him to jail for resisting decided to put him in an ambulance

lol

had he just calmly let them arrest him, he probably coulda got 50k outta it

edit - not even calmly, just non violently.

You are admitting he could have sued and won. That is going to stop. Cops are going to learn their place. No, you do NOT simply cede your civil rights to anyone and you should never have to.

Yea he could have, until he resisted.

You need to talk to your lawyer. You are going to get hurt if you really believe that and are a younger man

Source: am upper class brown kid with lawyer relatives who has had some unlawful interactions with police...on both sides

DO NOT RESIST ARREST, SHUT UP, MAKE NO FAST MOVEMENTS, AND WAIT FOR YOUR LAWYER OR BAIL HEARING

Unless you're gonna run, in which case you better ******* make it. Only rational way it makes sense to half assed resist (as in not try to kill/incapacitate the cops) is if you think you can get away by doing it.

Maybe black America needs classes on what their rights are AND HOW TO ASSERT THEM. Which you do with lawyers and your mouth not your fists

 

[Jitss617]

Update: Here's the suspect:

It is still unclear whether this is a right-wing militia member or a left-wing protester belonging to a group such as antifa.
Liability would be very high for police if found to be giving right-wing militia members the right to kill. But let's not rush to judgment.
Details should be revealed soon:

Illinois teen arrested in fatal shooting at Kenosha protest, police say | CNN

A 17-year-old Illinois resident connected to an overnight shooting during a protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, was taken into custody Wednesday morning, according to police in Antioch, Illinois.

www.cnn.com

Geez...he is just a kid. And he is going to have to live with this the rest of his life. Where the hell were his parents?

I suspect they're proud of their son. A lot of Americans are.

Tell us, what do you think the parents of the kids burning down a car lot are thinking?

Why is it you never concern yourself with criminals and terrorists? You do this in every discussion

Why is it you are incapable of recognizing that there are multiple victims here? Too damn hateful and bloodthirsty? What did this guy do to deserve being killed? Rhetorical, you will find some excuse or make it up.

Kenosha protester allegedly killed by Kyle Rittenhouse remembered as a ‘peaceful person’

“He is a peaceful person. He didn’t go out looking to beat people up. He’s more of a defender,” his friend said.

nypost.com

Is this a joke? The scum bag swung a weapon at his head..View attachment 380397

Yes, to effect a citizen's arrest on a murderer.

Why because they knew he was 17? Lol haha

No, because they saw him murder someone.

In self defense.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Next we’ll hear that his using Chinese TikTok to make a video of himself at the Trump rally shows he must actually be a secret Soros-paid Chicom agent ... out to embarrass Trump!

Or will we? How many infantile assholes here have already endorsed this vigilantism?!

 

[jc456]

So Tamir Rice gets shot and killed over a toy gun even though he harmed no one but this guy gets to murder people, march down the road with his gun and gets to go home?

If people had rioted over Tamir Rice you'd probably see like 95% support

There were protests. No, there was not 95% support. There was even less of a reason for Elijah McClain to have been killed. Where is the support?

McClain resisted arrest

And wasn't in middle school

There was NO reason to arrest him. You don't arrest someone for walking home from the store..........unless you are black of course.

You arrest people for not following commands...?

Certainly don't struggle

Guy was either crazy or just so angry he was in that moment manic

Yes, he had social anxiety issues. But cops are going to learn that you don't assault someone while doing nothing illegal just because they do not jump when you say jump.

We will get there or the country will burn.

Again as soon as he failed to follow commands he was doing something illegal

No he wasn't.

It was his fault he has ******* anxiety not the worlds

Cops did the right thing. Even sent him off in an ambulance instead of beating teh shit out of him and putting him in a cell. Maybe the paramedics killed him or his anxiety. Wasn't the cops

The cops only assaulted him which lead to the rest. If they had left him alone like they should have none of it happens.

Failing to follow a lawful order is illegal

Now had he said get on your knees and give me a bj yea he'd have a right to not comply

All he had to do was stop and look at them, then sue them

It wasn't lawful.

Yes it was....

Your redress is suing the officers not struggling.

No it was not. He had done nothing wrong and the police had no reason to believe he had. In that case they have no lawful reason to stop you.

It doesn't matter. If a cop tells me to stop I have to stop. Whether i was doing something wrong or not.

That's how our law works.

I'm sure there is a legal phrase for it that google would reveal. You don't seem to understand how our law around policing works.

If they want to detain me and I physically resist....that's resisting arrest

Whether or not was a good arrest needs lawyers. As a citizen I have to submit.

Weren’t the cops called there? Why? by the way, them showing up put their lives in harms way. If one can’t appreciate that they are not worth any further part of this

Some lady called and said that while she didn't know that the person had done something illegal that there was a black man walking home in an animated manner. There is nothing illegal in that.

How does it change the cops entering into an unknown scenario? Are you saying their lives don’t matter? What if they’re black?

 

[jc456]

So Tamir Rice gets shot and killed over a toy gun even though he harmed no one but this guy gets to murder people, march down the road with his gun and gets to go home?

If people had rioted over Tamir Rice you'd probably see like 95% support

There were protests. No, there was not 95% support. There was even less of a reason for Elijah McClain to have been killed. Where is the support?

McClain resisted arrest

And wasn't in middle school

There was NO reason to arrest him. You don't arrest someone for walking home from the store..........unless you are black of course.

You arrest people for not following commands...?

Certainly don't struggle

Guy was either crazy or just so angry he was in that moment manic

Yes, he had social anxiety issues. But cops are going to learn that you don't assault someone while doing nothing illegal just because they do not jump when you say jump.

We will get there or the country will burn.

Again as soon as he failed to follow commands he was doing something illegal

No he wasn't.

It was his fault he has ******* anxiety not the worlds

Cops did the right thing. Even sent him off in an ambulance instead of beating teh shit out of him and putting him in a cell. Maybe the paramedics killed him or his anxiety. Wasn't the cops

The cops only assaulted him which lead to the rest. If they had left him alone like they should have none of it happens.

Failing to follow a lawful order is illegal

Now had he said get on your knees and give me a bj yea he'd have a right to not comply

All he had to do was stop and look at them, then sue them

It wasn't lawful.

Yes it was....

Your redress is suing the officers not struggling.

No it was not. He had done nothing wrong and the police had no reason to believe he had. In that case they have no lawful reason to stop you.

It doesn't matter. If a cop tells me to stop I have to stop. Whether i was doing something wrong or not.

That's how our law works.

I'm sure there is a legal phrase for it that google would reveal. You don't seem to understand how our law around policing works.

If they want to detain me and I physically resist....that's resisting arrest

Whether or not was a good arrest needs lawyers. As a citizen I have to submit.

No you do not. It's sad how many people do not know their rights. Unless they can express a reason for a stop you can tell them to screw off.

Yea you can SAY it

You can't actively resist if they make a bad arrest

lol

Your right is to sue them for the bad arrest. Not fight them in the street. WHat the **** is wrong with you?

You can. You are allowed to protect yourself from an assault.

When a cop does it, it's not an assault bud

Yes it is. The police are not above the law. There have been many lawsuits over police assaults.

How this eludes you I have no idea.

You need to call your lawyer if you believe that. Or if he told you that, get a new one. Pure ******* stupidity

"i have a right to resist arrest". Under no circumstances. Simply fleeing is a crime

He wasn't "fleeing". He was walking home minding his own business.

Yea he actively resisted, so much so they instead of taking him to jail for resisting decided to put him in an ambulance

lol

had he just calmly let them arrest him, he probably coulda got 50k outta it

edit - not even calmly, just non violently.

You are admitting he could have sued and won. That is going to stop. Cops are going to learn their place. No, you do NOT simply cede your civil rights to anyone and you should never have to.

Cops say stop, you fking stop! That’s our law

 

[flacaltenn]

Thread discussion can't be contained to the political angle here.. Already busting over to be a duplicate thread on the topic... Looking to merge..

 

[pknopp]

So Tamir Rice gets shot and killed over a toy gun even though he harmed no one but this guy gets to murder people, march down the road with his gun and gets to go home?

If people had rioted over Tamir Rice you'd probably see like 95% support

There were protests. No, there was not 95% support. There was even less of a reason for Elijah McClain to have been killed. Where is the support?

McClain resisted arrest

And wasn't in middle school

There was NO reason to arrest him. You don't arrest someone for walking home from the store..........unless you are black of course.

You arrest people for not following commands...?

Certainly don't struggle

Guy was either crazy or just so angry he was in that moment manic

Yes, he had social anxiety issues. But cops are going to learn that you don't assault someone while doing nothing illegal just because they do not jump when you say jump.

We will get there or the country will burn.

Again as soon as he failed to follow commands he was doing something illegal

No he wasn't.

It was his fault he has ******* anxiety not the worlds

Cops did the right thing. Even sent him off in an ambulance instead of beating teh shit out of him and putting him in a cell. Maybe the paramedics killed him or his anxiety. Wasn't the cops

The cops only assaulted him which lead to the rest. If they had left him alone like they should have none of it happens.

Failing to follow a lawful order is illegal

Now had he said get on your knees and give me a bj yea he'd have a right to not comply

All he had to do was stop and look at them, then sue them

It wasn't lawful.

Yes it was....

Your redress is suing the officers not struggling.

No it was not. He had done nothing wrong and the police had no reason to believe he had. In that case they have no lawful reason to stop you.

It doesn't matter. If a cop tells me to stop I have to stop. Whether i was doing something wrong or not.

That's how our law works.

I'm sure there is a legal phrase for it that google would reveal. You don't seem to understand how our law around policing works.

If they want to detain me and I physically resist....that's resisting arrest

Whether or not was a good arrest needs lawyers. As a citizen I have to submit.

No you do not. It's sad how many people do not know their rights. Unless they can express a reason for a stop you can tell them to screw off.

Yea you can SAY it

You can't actively resist if they make a bad arrest

lol

Your right is to sue them for the bad arrest. Not fight them in the street. WHat the **** is wrong with you?

You can. You are allowed to protect yourself from an assault.

When a cop does it, it's not an assault bud

Yes it is. The police are not above the law. There have been many lawsuits over police assaults.

How this eludes you I have no idea.

You need to call your lawyer if you believe that. Or if he told you that, get a new one. Pure ******* stupidity

"i have a right to resist arrest". Under no circumstances. Simply fleeing is a crime

He wasn't "fleeing". He was walking home minding his own business.

Yea he actively resisted, so much so they instead of taking him to jail for resisting decided to put him in an ambulance

lol

had he just calmly let them arrest him, he probably coulda got 50k outta it

edit - not even calmly, just non violently.

You are admitting he could have sued and won. That is going to stop. Cops are going to learn their place. No, you do NOT simply cede your civil rights to anyone and you should never have to.

Yea he could have, until he resisted.

You need to talk to your lawyer. You are going to get hurt if you really believe that and are a younger man

Source: am upper class brown kid with lawyer relatives who has had some unlawful interactions with police...on both sides

DO NOT RESIST ARREST, SHUT UP, MAKE NO FAST MOVEMENTS, AND WAIT FOR YOUR LAWYER OR BAIL HEARING

Unless you're gonna run, in which case you better ******* make it. Only rational way it makes sense to half assed resist (as in not try to kill/incapacitate the cops) is if you think you can get away by doing it.

Maybe black America needs classes on what their rights are AND HOW TO ASSERT THEM. Which you do with lawyers not your fists

Anecdotal examples mean little but I relayed this one before.

My son and his girlfriend was moving. I was to meet them at the house they were moving to. My son and his girlfriend were riding in the back of the truck with their stuff because there was three people in the front of the truck. Perfectly legal.

I get to the house and he calls me to tell me the police had pulled them over. They were appx 3 blocks up the street. I drive up and he says they were pulled over for riding in the back of the truck. The officer had the drivers I.D. and was asking the rest for theirs.

I asked him why. He said they were pulled over for riding in the back of the truck. I knew that was legal. I pulled it up on my phone and showed him. He said that "well he wanted to make sure they were being safe". I told the rest they had no obligation to provide the officer anything and I asked him to give the drivers his I.D. back.

After a few moments he did. No apology, no nothing. Of course we weren't black and I probably appeared to have the resources to push back if need be.

 

[pknopp]

So Tamir Rice gets shot and killed over a toy gun even though he harmed no one but this guy gets to murder people, march down the road with his gun and gets to go home?

If people had rioted over Tamir Rice you'd probably see like 95% support

There were protests. No, there was not 95% support. There was even less of a reason for Elijah McClain to have been killed. Where is the support?

McClain resisted arrest

And wasn't in middle school

There was NO reason to arrest him. You don't arrest someone for walking home from the store..........unless you are black of course.

You arrest people for not following commands...?

Certainly don't struggle

Guy was either crazy or just so angry he was in that moment manic

Yes, he had social anxiety issues. But cops are going to learn that you don't assault someone while doing nothing illegal just because they do not jump when you say jump.

We will get there or the country will burn.

Again as soon as he failed to follow commands he was doing something illegal

No he wasn't.

It was his fault he has ******* anxiety not the worlds

Cops did the right thing. Even sent him off in an ambulance instead of beating teh shit out of him and putting him in a cell. Maybe the paramedics killed him or his anxiety. Wasn't the cops

The cops only assaulted him which lead to the rest. If they had left him alone like they should have none of it happens.

Failing to follow a lawful order is illegal

Now had he said get on your knees and give me a bj yea he'd have a right to not comply

All he had to do was stop and look at them, then sue them

It wasn't lawful.

Yes it was....

Your redress is suing the officers not struggling.

No it was not. He had done nothing wrong and the police had no reason to believe he had. In that case they have no lawful reason to stop you.

It doesn't matter. If a cop tells me to stop I have to stop. Whether i was doing something wrong or not.

That's how our law works.

I'm sure there is a legal phrase for it that google would reveal. You don't seem to understand how our law around policing works.

If they want to detain me and I physically resist....that's resisting arrest

Whether or not was a good arrest needs lawyers. As a citizen I have to submit.

No you do not. It's sad how many people do not know their rights. Unless they can express a reason for a stop you can tell them to screw off.

Yea you can SAY it

You can't actively resist if they make a bad arrest

lol

Your right is to sue them for the bad arrest. Not fight them in the street. WHat the **** is wrong with you?

You can. You are allowed to protect yourself from an assault.

When a cop does it, it's not an assault bud

Yes it is. The police are not above the law. There have been many lawsuits over police assaults.

How this eludes you I have no idea.

You need to call your lawyer if you believe that. Or if he told you that, get a new one. Pure ******* stupidity

"i have a right to resist arrest". Under no circumstances. Simply fleeing is a crime

He wasn't "fleeing". He was walking home minding his own business.

Yea he actively resisted, so much so they instead of taking him to jail for resisting decided to put him in an ambulance

lol

had he just calmly let them arrest him, he probably coulda got 50k outta it

edit - not even calmly, just non violently.

You are admitting he could have sued and won. That is going to stop. Cops are going to learn their place. No, you do NOT simply cede your civil rights to anyone and you should never have to.

Cops say stop, you fking stop! That’s our law

That's what you wish. That is not the law.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Unwelcome development coming at a time the RNC is gathered for the Convention:
Kyle Rittenhouse (circled) can be seen wearing a white hat in the front row of a Trump rally in Des Moines, Iowa, Jan. 30.

The Kenosha Shooting Suspect Was In The Front Row Of A Trump Rally In January

Kyle Rittenhouse’s social media is filled with references to “Blue Lives Matter.” A Trump campaign spokesperson said, "This individual had nothing to do with our campaign."

www.buzzfeednews.com

Hah!!!!, That's it... He's guilty as sin. He supports Trump... Don't bother soaking the rope to lynch him, use it just as it is....
Will BLM now storm the Police Dept. to drag him out and lynch him?
Surely this teenager deserves a medal, not being charged with murder. From all appearances Kyle was doing what the Mayor of Kenosha refused to do. He was protecting his neighbors and town from Antifa and BLM terrorist thugs.

He's not guilty because he supports Trump. He's guilty because he murdered two people.

Right after 1 threw a lit Molotov cocktail at him.

 

[excalibur]

That’s not murder

I didn't say it was. But he appears to have had an intent and crossed state lines. We will see if the DOJ charges him too.

Maybe he bought the weapon in Wisconsin? But if he took it across state lines and they find social media intent, he has big problems.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Kyle Rittenhouse — the teen charged with first-degree homicide over the shooting of 3 people at Kenosha protests — was obsessed with Blue Lives Matter and appeared 'on edge' before shots rang out

A person thought to be Rittenhouse was seen on video running from the shooting scene with a gun. He can be heard saying "I shot someone" on the phone.

www.insider.com

As he jogs away, the audio includes screaming and a voice says "I just killed someone."

I looked into it. Looks like you're right. He did say that, probably.

The only question now is if it was actually him who said it and if he was justified in shooting that first person. The events leading up to the first shooting still aren't clear, but I think that's going to shift the burden onto this kid proving that he was using self-defense.

Here's a useful video of it if anyone else is interested.

 

[pknopp]

So Tamir Rice gets shot and killed over a toy gun even though he harmed no one but this guy gets to murder people, march down the road with his gun and gets to go home?

If people had rioted over Tamir Rice you'd probably see like 95% support

There were protests. No, there was not 95% support. There was even less of a reason for Elijah McClain to have been killed. Where is the support?

McClain resisted arrest

And wasn't in middle school

There was NO reason to arrest him. You don't arrest someone for walking home from the store..........unless you are black of course.

You arrest people for not following commands...?

Certainly don't struggle

Guy was either crazy or just so angry he was in that moment manic

Yes, he had social anxiety issues. But cops are going to learn that you don't assault someone while doing nothing illegal just because they do not jump when you say jump.

We will get there or the country will burn.

Again as soon as he failed to follow commands he was doing something illegal

No he wasn't.

It was his fault he has ******* anxiety not the worlds

Cops did the right thing. Even sent him off in an ambulance instead of beating teh shit out of him and putting him in a cell. Maybe the paramedics killed him or his anxiety. Wasn't the cops

The cops only assaulted him which lead to the rest. If they had left him alone like they should have none of it happens.

Failing to follow a lawful order is illegal

Now had he said get on your knees and give me a bj yea he'd have a right to not comply

All he had to do was stop and look at them, then sue them

It wasn't lawful.

Yes it was....

Your redress is suing the officers not struggling.

No it was not. He had done nothing wrong and the police had no reason to believe he had. In that case they have no lawful reason to stop you.

It doesn't matter. If a cop tells me to stop I have to stop. Whether i was doing something wrong or not.

That's how our law works.

I'm sure there is a legal phrase for it that google would reveal. You don't seem to understand how our law around policing works.

If they want to detain me and I physically resist....that's resisting arrest

Whether or not was a good arrest needs lawyers. As a citizen I have to submit.

Weren’t the cops called there? Why? by the way, them showing up put their lives in harms way. If one can’t appreciate that they are not worth any further part of this

Some lady called and said that while she didn't know that the person had done something illegal that there was a black man walking home in an animated manner. There is nothing illegal in that.

How does it change the cops entering into an unknown scenario? Are you saying their lives don’t matter? What if they’re black?

I'm saying that there is still no facts to show that they had any reason to stop him from going home.

 

[whitehall]

Indications are that James Hodgkinson might have been more than a close supporter of Bernie Sanders. In fact he may have met Sanders and other democrat politicians on numerous occasions and may have received the republican baseball training schedule from democrat activists while he was camped out in his car with his rifle in Washington D.C. The mainstream media wasn't interested and the story was buried faster than Hodgkinson himself.

nice try i saw him **** guifoylle on the dark web

When they searched Hodgkinson's body they found a list of every conservative republican congressperson. What was this guy up to and did he have accomplices? Nobody in the media wanted to know. Thank God for the heroic D.C. Cops who shot him down before he was able to wound anyone but Rep Scalise.

 

[iceberg]

So Tamir Rice gets shot and killed over a toy gun even though he harmed no one but this guy gets to murder people, march down the road with his gun and gets to go home?

I think you should read or watch what happen before you sound like a fool lol

It wouldn't help.

 

[Jitss617]

That’s not murder

I didn't say it was. But he appears to have had an intent and crossed state lines. We will see if the DOJ charges him too.

Maybe he bought the weapon in Wisconsin? But if he took it across state lines and they find social media intent, he has big problems.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Thanks Faun.

Listen closely to this video at the 0:41 mark.

 

[excalibur]

...

I am merely pointing out how the DOJ will look at this.

 

[Jitss617]

View attachment 380402

Thanks Faun.

Listen closely to this video at the 0:41 mark.

YEA HE CALLED THE COPS, The video shows them sticking around the body to see if he could help.

 

[XponentialChaos]

View attachment 380402

Thanks Faun.

Listen closely to this video at the 0:41 mark.

YEA HE CALLED THE COPS, The video shows them sticking around the body to see if he could help.

Hopefully it's recorded from a 911 call. If he killed that first person, that's not a good sign for him.

Maybe he was justified in shooting the first person, but there's currently no indication of that.