Ted Cruz Says SCOTUS 'Clearly Wrong' to Legalize Gay Marriage

[TheProgressivePatriot]

What is discrimination? Why do we have discrimination laws. Why do people discriminate? I asked you this before. All of this was done because of unfair and prejudicial treatment of other people. Those laws were passed because of hate, not just because a difference of opinion.

You're still doing the same damned thing that I keep calling you out on! I have already addressed this numerous times but you either hve a real bad memory or just can't learn

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Agreed, but did the baker treat them badly? Or unfairly? Likely he would refuse anyone who asked them to help them commit a sin. Like I mentioned earlier, if someone asked him to bake a cake for a swingers convention, he would refuse. Now, would you call that discrimination? I mean, you have the freedom and right to swing if you so choose. I wouldn't see anyone making a fuss over that.

I know I know...your next statement is "but that has nothing to do with being gay", well, being gay, and swinging with your buddies wife are both your rights, are they not? Yet, you would only accuse the baker of discrimination because of the gay couple. Why?

1 He did treat them badly! He inconvenienced them and humiliated them.

2 I do not relate tio the concept of sin.

3. Swinger are not protected under PA laws Whil3 it may not be legally dicrimination, it is still discrimination
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[TheProgressivePatriot]

No emotion here, as I said before, I just take the emotion out of it and see it for what it is.

Bullshit

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

We've been through this, Christianity doesn't say being a minority is a sin, so this scenario would never happen.

Again your memory fails you.I showed you that people have used Christianity to justify racial discrimination. It does not matter what your bible actually says.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Bible says not to be a part of helping someone else in the commission of a sin, so, how do you reconcile that against state laws? Do we simply say that we need to ignore the Bible and the bakers religious rights in favor of the gay couples rights?

Secular law does not care about the bible. If Phillips wanted to hide behind the bible he should havestated a church and held a bake sale

 

[ThisIsMe]

Yes they do. Have you actually read the laws. They do not specifically prohibit discrimination against gays or blacks or whatever. They prohibit discrimination against ANYONE on the basis of race, sexual orientation, etc. So a black person who discriminates against a white person is also subjected to the law Did you really not know that ? Seriously?

No. I knew that, I was just curious if you believed it. There are those on these forums that would have you believe that blacks can't be racist and one would also assume that means they can't discriminate.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Again your memory fails you.I showed you that people have used Christianity to justify racial discrimination. It does not matter what your bible actually says.

Yes, it does lol. I don't care what people use for justification. They are not acting in concordance with biblical teachings. Those people who use religion to justify any kind of discrimination are wrong. I've said this many times now.

Like I said, the bible spells out things that a Christian shouldn't do, or have any part in. It says they are supposed to abstain from sin. Helping someone commit a sin would be wrong. It's not about emotion, hate, anger, fear, animosity, it's just about trying to obey biblical teachings.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Secular law does not care about the bible. If Phillips wanted to hide behind the bible he should havestated a church and held a bake sale

No, secular law doesn't care about the Bible, but cotus rights say you can freely practice your religion. Again, you demonstrate that you believe state laws and the rights of one person should be allowed to supercede the cotus rights of another's freedom of religion.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Secular law does not care about the bible. If Phillips wanted to hide behind the bible he should havestated a church and held a bake sale

Phillips wanted to hide behind the bible he should havestated a church and held a bake sale

Again, you are suggesting that religious people shouldn't start businesses because they may be forced to do something that violates their religious teachings and their cotus rights? That's kinda what I'm seeing here.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You're still doing the same damned thing that I keep calling you out on! I have already addressed this numerous times but you either hve a real bad memory or just can't learn

I know what you are doing, you are stating that discrimination law, specifically at the text level, says that you can't refuse business to any of these protected groups. I'm just trying to demonstrate what discrimination REALLY is, down at the root level. It's not just about refusing service to someone, otherwise if you refused service to anyone for any reason you could claim discrimination.

I'm asking you to understand why they made those laws.

Discrimination laws were put in place because of people's hate and animosity toward others.

You're being a textualist, like I am. So, if we are going that route, if we are just going to look at the words only and not understand what is really going on, then we need to look at the cotus words, literally, and take all ambiguity out of it. So, religious freedom is enshrined in the cotus, so NO state law, of any kind can supercede it.

 

[ThisIsMe]

1 He did treat them badly! He inconvenienced them and humiliated them.

2 I do not relate tio the concept of sin.

3. Swinger are not protected under PA laws Whil3 it may not be legally dicrimination, it is still discrimination
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He inconvenienced them and humiliated them.

How did he humiliate them? Inconvenienced isn't an issue, there are no laws regulating convenience. (That I'm aware of)

I do not relate tio the concept of sin

I understand, but others do.

Swinger are not protected under PA laws Whil3 it may not be legally dicrimination, it is still discrimination

?? PA laws cover everyone. Its not discrimination because they would be asked to use their labor to help someone commit a sin.

Also, you say that swingers are not protected by PA laws, but then say that its still discrimination. What would be the reason it would be considered discrimination? Again, this line of thinking means that a business would never be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason, but they do, for various reasons. Again, many businesses have signs that state "we.reserve the right to refuse service to anyone..."I forget the whole saying, but you get the point.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Bullshit

Nope, no bovine fecal excrement here.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Yes, it does lol. I don't care what people use for justification. They are not acting in concordance with biblical teachings. Those people who use religion to justify any kind of discrimination are wrong. I've said this many times now.

Unless of course it's a baker discriminationg against gays LOL

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Like I said, the bible spells out things that a Christian shouldn't do, or have any part in. It says they are supposed to abstain from sin. Helping someone commit a sin would be wrong. It's not about emotion, hate, anger, fear, animosity, it's just about trying to obey biblical teachings.

So the bible actually says that you can't bake a cake for a gay wedding because it is participating in a sin ? You know, while I admitedly know little about the bible, what I have heard is the homosexuality is a sin. I have not heard anything about participating in a wedding being a sin, even if it is a "homosexual" wedding.

The fact is that people are going to participate in homosexuality whether or not they are able to marry. It is two separate things. More proof that the religious freedom excuse for discrimination is bullshit. Unless they are somehow forced to participate in the actual act of homosexuality, they are just making that sin shit up.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Unless of course it's a baker discriminationg [sic] against gays LOL

If a group like the Westboro Baptist Church was going to hold an event, and they went to a ******-owned bakery asking to have that bakery produce a cake for this event, with the slogan “God Hates fags!” on it, surrounded by images of faggots being killed in various ways, should the bakery be allowed to refuse to produce that cake?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Unless of course it's a baker discriminationg against gays LOL

Been over that. I think discrimination requires more than simply refusing someone.

 

[ThisIsMe]

So the bible says that you can't bake a cake for a gay wedding?

Bible says you shouldn't commit sins, and using your labor to help someone commit a sin would be wrong also. Just like baking a cake for a swingers convention would be helping someone commit a sin, ot baking a cake for porn convention, or using your labor to help any other person to do something that would be considered a sin.

I'm not ruling anyone out, I'm applying this standard across the board. If it's a sin, the bible says you should not be a part of it.

 

[ThisIsMe]

If a group like the Westboro Baptist Church was going to hold an event, and they went to a ******-owned bakery asking to have that bakery produce a cake for this event, with the slogan “God Hates fags!” on it, surrounded by images of faggots being killed in various ways, should the bakery be allowed to refuse to produce that cake?

I'll answer this. Yes, the bakery should be able to refuse to bake that cake, because THAT would be an example of discrimination. It would be rooted in hate, and not biblical principles and teachings.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

How did he humiliate them? Inconvenienced isn't an issue, there are no laws regulating convenience. (That I'm aware of)



I understand, but others do.



?? PA laws cover everyone. Its not discrimination because they would be asked to use their labor to help someone commit a sin.

Also, you say that swingers are not protected by PA laws, but then say that its still discrimination. What would be the reason it would be considered discrimination? Again, this line of thinking means that a business would never be able to refuse service to anyone for any reason, but they do, for various reasons. Again, many businesses have signs that state "we.reserve the right to refuse service to anyone..."I forget the whole saying, but you get the point.

I provided you with the definition of discrimination. It does not say that it has to be illegal. In many cases they can refuse services with impunity, except perhaps suffering the lose of their buisness

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Bible says you shouldn't commit sins, and using your labor to help someone commit a sin would be wrong also. Just like baking a cake for a swingers convention would be helping someone commit a sin, ot baking a cake for porn convention, or using your labor to help any other person to do something that would be considered a sin.

I'm not ruling anyone out, I'm applying this standard across the board. If it's a sin, the bible says you should not be a part of it.

Same horseshit different post. Gays will get married and swingers will have conventions with or without tye damned cake. A of them will have their preferred type of sex with or without the cake. Wghoever providesa cake is not participating in or facilitating the sex act. I am really getting tired of this game