Ted Cruz Natural Born ?

[Steve_McGarrett]

Ted Cruz is constitutionally eligible to be a U.S. Senator but he is definitely not constitutionally eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of our military. Cruz was born a dual citizen due to his birth in Canada and thus has foreign influence on him by birth and thus can never be considered a natural born Citizen of the USA with sole allegiance to the USA at birth. A dual citizen at birth under ‘Natural Law“, the basis law used to justify the colonies breaking away from Great Britain and to write our founding documents including the U.S. Constitution, is not a natural born Citizen of any country, let alone the USA.

 

[Faun]

i was a birther when it wasn't pop[ular. the obots (some not all), tried right off to taint the argument only based on ethnicity. as if i, as a conservative couldn't be happy or proud to see a person of color or different religion, in any of the four branches of government.

Oh, if our president had been Barry O'Bama whose dad was from Dublin....there wouldn't be a birther conspiracy.

That being said, the foolishness of the Birther conspiracy was based overwhelmingly in its desperate, willful ignorance of overwhelming contrary evidence. And its exclusive dependance on imagination and conjecture as its basis. Making it doubly irrational.

And so much more fun to take apart. As you don't feel the need to restrain your presentation as you might when dealing with principled but contrary opinions.

No the conspiracy is based on the lack of information by the Obama campaign.

Nonsense. Obama released his COLB in 2008. It stands as prima facie evidence in any court of law and is a legal birth certificate in every state. You could get a passport with a COLB. It resolved any reasonable doubts.

Yet birthers ignored it. Even when the State of Hawaii confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii and was a natural born citizen of the United States.

Which is why we make fun of birthers. They're ******* idiots.

Hawaii has never officially confirmed the authenticity of the 2008 COLB image put on the Daily Kos website. They have never acknowledged the COLB held by the two factcheckers was authentic in a official statement. The Maricopa County Sheriffs Office confirmed the long form birth certificate released in 2011 was a 100% forgery and that it was never in paper form.

Of course they did. You're just too insane to know, apparently.

 

[Skylar]

any road, Cruzer WILL NOT get the GOP nomination .. EVER.... ergo, he, like this thread is totally irrelevant.

A Palin/Cruz ticket....slathered heavily in moose killings and Dominion Christianity.......one can only dream.

A ***** and a ***** who don't succumb to your views, bigoted liberals would have a field day.

Laughing....slander them all you'd like, Kaz. I'd still vote for a Palin/Cruz GOP nomination.....if only my State had open primaries.

 

[kaz]

Ignoring the point.
Most of his records are sealed. Most of his past is mysterious. Why? What is he hiding?

The point is that all rational, reasonable doubts of Obama's eligibility to president were resolved in 2008 with the release of Obama's COLB.

And birthers, hapless idiots that they are, ignored it. Even after the State of Hawaii itself affirmed that Obama's original records were on file, that he was born in Hawaii, that he was a natural born citizen of the United States......birthers still ignored it.

You can't fix stupid. But you can point and laugh at them. Which I frequently do.

They refused to release the records.

The COLB is an official birth certificate. Its the records you claim were never released. Its prima facie evidence in any court of law. Its sufficient to get a pass port. It alone resolves all legal questions of Obama's eligibility.

And it was released in 2008.

Idiot birthers simply ignored it. And?

You simply ignore the facts that Obama has never released any of his records. Even the birth certificate is not the original and the the state simply tells us "trust us, it's the same."
If anything is clear about this administrration, they cannot be trusted.

President Obama has released more 'records' than any previous President.

No one EVER releases their original birth certificate- the legal original is always kept on file in whatever jurisdiction applies. All anyone EVER releases is an original certified copy.

What President Obama did- which was completely unprecedented was:
a) in 2008 posted a copy of his official birth certificate online.
b) Only one news agency ever asked to see the original- and they got to see it.
c) The State of Hawaii confirmed that was the valid BC
Not good enough for Birthers of course.
so
d) In 2011, the President requests that Hawaii treat him special and issue two original certified photocopies of his original birth certificate.
e) These original certified photocopies- raised seal and all- were shown to reporters- one reporter even took a picture of the one she handled.
f) The State of Hawaii because they knew they were dealing with Birther idiots then specifically released a press certificate stating that a) yes they did give the certified copy to the President, and b) yes they did look at the original and c) yes he was born in Hawaii and d) yes the 2008 BC was legitimate also.

But Birthers keep on birthin. They are idiots.

And in the case of Stevie- he is both a racist and a birther- that is no coincidence.

If a Republican had done that, you'd be saying why not release documents if you have nothing to hide! By the time they did release them by Obama's timeline you'd be calling it irrelevant because the delays speak for themselves. You know, like you do every time you want a document from a Republican. But Biden being a plagiarist, Obama's birth certificate, Kerry and Obama's grads, it's no thang cover that bad boy up.

I agree with your view there is no debate here, Obama is a legitimately elected President. But your hypocrisy still reeks.

 

[Skylar]

Ted Cruz is constitutionally eligible to be a U.S. Senator but he is definitely not constitutionally eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of our military.

He's either natural born....or naturalized. And being a citizen at birth, he wasn't naturalized. Leaving natural born as the only possible option. There are only the two types of citizenship we recognize in our law today. If you're not one, you're the other.

 

[kaz]

Ted Cruz is constitutionally eligible to be a U.S. Senator but he is definitely not constitutionally eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of our military.

He's either natural born....or naturalized. And being a citizen at birth, he wasn't naturalized. Leaving natural born as the only possible option. There are only the two types of citizenship we recognize in our law today. If you're not one, you're the other.

There is a technical difference in that if you are born overseas then there is a process the parents need to follow to get your citizenship. But that process is simple and automatic. But technically you are naturalized shortly after you were born.

However, that is not a process the founding fathers created. I can't imagine they possibly meant that a baby of a diplomat born in say France was not qualified to be President.

You realize too the Democrats started this whole idiotic birther thing with McCain, who was born on a freaking military base. A place the liberals also argue is the USA and therefore people get constitutional rights. Liberals follow multiple levels of double standards often on the same issue.

 

[Siete]

the country really respects anyone brave enough to take pride in making a total fool out of himself.

Burfers.

 

[The Rabbi]

Cruz was GRANTED citizenship by statute, and that statute says "citizen" not "natural born citizen"

Nope.
He was a born a citizen. That makes him a natural born citizen.

No it does not. Cruz is constitutionally ineligible to meet Article 2 Section 1.

There are only two possibilities: Cruz was naturalized as a citizen, or he was born a citizen. Now which is it?

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Ted Cruz is constitutionally eligible to be a U.S. Senator but he is definitely not constitutionally eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of our military.

He's either natural born....or naturalized. And being a citizen at birth, he wasn't naturalized. Leaving natural born as the only possible option. There are only the two types of citizenship we recognize in our law today. If you're not one, you're the other.

False!

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 says a “natural born Citizen” is eligible to be President. It does not say a “citizen” who is not a “naturalized citizen” is eligible. In other words, one has to meet the definition of a “natural born Citizen.” You do not get there by simply showing that one is a “citizen” which status was not acquired by naturalization after birth, for that is not the definition of the clause. Again, the definition of a “natural born Citizen” is a child born in a country to parents who were its “citizens” at the time of the child’s birth. The is the only definition of the clause and it is that definition which must be satisfied, not some other definition under the Fourteenth Amendment or Congressional Act used to acquire the status of a “citizen of the United States” at birth (what you call a non-naturalized citizen).

 

[Skylar]

Ted Cruz is constitutionally eligible to be a U.S. Senator but he is definitely not constitutionally eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of our military.

He's either natural born....or naturalized. And being a citizen at birth, he wasn't naturalized. Leaving natural born as the only possible option. There are only the two types of citizenship we recognize in our law today. If you're not one, you're the other.

False!

Says you. And you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

 

[Skylar]

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 says a “natural born Citizen” is eligible to be President. It does not say a “citizen” who is not a “naturalized citizen” is eligible. In other words, one has to meet the definition of a “natural born Citizen.” You do not get there by simply showing that one is a “citizen” which status was not acquired by naturalization after birth, for that is not the definition of the clause. Again, the definition of a “natural born Citizen” is a child born in a country to parents who were its “citizens” at the time of the child’s birth. The is the only definition of the clause and it is that definition which must be satisfied, not some other definition under the Fourteenth Amendment or Congressional Act used to acquire the status of a “citizen of the United States” at birth (what you call a non-naturalized citizen).

The constitution doesn't define natural born citizenship. And in our laws today, there are only two possible designations: natural born (citizen at birth) or naturalized (citizen after birth).

Cruz was a citizen at birth. And thus, natural born. The is no third type of citizenship.

 

[Faun]

The point is that all rational, reasonable doubts of Obama's eligibility to president were resolved in 2008 with the release of Obama's COLB.

And birthers, hapless idiots that they are, ignored it. Even after the State of Hawaii itself affirmed that Obama's original records were on file, that he was born in Hawaii, that he was a natural born citizen of the United States......birthers still ignored it.

You can't fix stupid. But you can point and laugh at them. Which I frequently do.

They refused to release the records.

The COLB is an official birth certificate. Its the records you claim were never released. Its prima facie evidence in any court of law. Its sufficient to get a pass port. It alone resolves all legal questions of Obama's eligibility.

And it was released in 2008.

Idiot birthers simply ignored it. And?

You simply ignore the facts that Obama has never released any of his records. Even the birth certificate is not the original and the the state simply tells us "trust us, it's the same."

The COLB is an official birth certificate. You can ignore if you choose. But its not like your willful ignorance changes the fact that COLB is the official birth certificate of Hawaii.

And it was released in 2008.

If anything is clear about this administrration, they cannot be trusted.

It was stamped 2007.

That stamp was the date that Alvin Onaka, Hawaii's state registrar at the time, certified Obama's COLB as a true copy from records on file. What about it? Do you even release that is proof of the document's authenticity?

 

[007]

Cruz was a citizen at birth and is thus natural born. Just like Obama.

Really? Where is the hard copy, veritably not forged, has been seen by the public, record of Barry being born in America?

And please explain how Obama's purported father being BRITISH makes him a natural born citizen, regardless of where he was born?

I already know the aswers. 1) there is NO hard copy, can be held in hand, veritably not forged, has been seen by the public proof that Barry was born in America, and 2) Barry's father being British gave him DUAL CITIZENSHIP at birth, no matter where he was born, and those are the facts of the matter.

No you can reply with all your patented, garden variety, old worn out, worthless come backs, but that won't change anything. The facts are the facts, it's just that simple, and I stated the facts.

 

[007]

They refused to release the records.

The COLB is an official birth certificate. Its the records you claim were never released. Its prima facie evidence in any court of law. Its sufficient to get a pass port. It alone resolves all legal questions of Obama's eligibility.

And it was released in 2008.

Idiot birthers simply ignored it. And?

You simply ignore the facts that Obama has never released any of his records. Even the birth certificate is not the original and the the state simply tells us "trust us, it's the same."

The COLB is an official birth certificate. You can ignore if you choose. But its not like your willful ignorance changes the fact that COLB is the official birth certificate of Hawaii.

And it was released in 2008.

If anything is clear about this administrration, they cannot be trusted.

It was stamped 2007.

That stamp was the date that Alvin Onaka, Hawaii's state registrar at the time, certified Obama's COLB as a true copy from records on file. What about it? Do you even release that is proof of the document's authenticity?

Then let's see it, period. Let's see it.

No ones WORD on the matter will do.

LET'S SEE IT. DIG IT UP AND LET'S SEE IT.

I already know they CAN'T, as do most, because IT DOESN'T EXIST.

 

[Skylar]

Ted Cruz is constitutionally eligible to be a U.S. Senator but he is definitely not constitutionally eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of our military.

He's either natural born....or naturalized. And being a citizen at birth, he wasn't naturalized. Leaving natural born as the only possible option. There are only the two types of citizenship we recognize in our law today. If you're not one, you're the other.

There is a technical difference in that if you are born overseas then there is a process the parents need to follow to get your citizenship. But that process is simple and automatic. But technically you are naturalized shortly after you were born.

However, that is not a process the founding fathers created. I can't imagine they possibly meant that a baby of a diplomat born in say France was not qualified to be President.

You realize too the Democrats started this whole idiotic birther thing with McCain, who was born on a freaking military base. A place the liberals also argue is the USA and therefore people get constitutional rights. Liberals follow multiple levels of double standards often on the same issue.

I've never argued that McCain wasn't a natural born citizen. So I have no idea what 'double standard' you're referring to. The only even remotely plausible candidate in the last 10 years that would be 100% ineligible....would be Schwartzenhegger.

 

[kaz]

Ted Cruz is constitutionally eligible to be a U.S. Senator but he is definitely not constitutionally eligible to be President and Commander in Chief of our military.

He's either natural born....or naturalized. And being a citizen at birth, he wasn't naturalized. Leaving natural born as the only possible option. There are only the two types of citizenship we recognize in our law today. If you're not one, you're the other.

There is a technical difference in that if you are born overseas then there is a process the parents need to follow to get your citizenship. But that process is simple and automatic. But technically you are naturalized shortly after you were born.

However, that is not a process the founding fathers created. I can't imagine they possibly meant that a baby of a diplomat born in say France was not qualified to be President.

You realize too the Democrats started this whole idiotic birther thing with McCain, who was born on a freaking military base. A place the liberals also argue is the USA and therefore people get constitutional rights. Liberals follow multiple levels of double standards often on the same issue.

I've never argued that McCain wasn't a natural born citizen. So I have no idea what 'double standard' you're referring to. The only even remotely plausible candidate in the last 10 years that would be 100% ineligible....would be Schwartzenhegger.

You've been consistent, you are saying Obama and Cruz are natural born. I don't doubt you didn't personally question McCain. But seriously, you don't remember the left bringing up McCain and that maybe he's not qualified to be President? I find that hard to believe unless you're under 15. It was a big thing at one point, of course after McCain had clinched the nomination...

 

[kaz]

Cruz was GRANTED citizenship by statute, and that statute says "citizen" not "natural born citizen"

Nope.
He was a born a citizen. That makes him a natural born citizen.

No it does not. Cruz is constitutionally ineligible to meet Article 2 Section 1.

There are only two possibilities: Cruz was naturalized as a citizen, or he was born a citizen. Now which is it?

When he was born, he was a US citizen except for the paperwork. Which is being born a citizen.

 

[007]

NATURAL BORN = Born to two US citizens on AMERICAN SOIL

Native born = Born on American soil, parents heritage irrelevant

 

[007]

In any case, this is all MOOT, because since we elected a kenyan with a British father, that has never veritably proven he was born in America, and then top that off by him sealing his life's history including immigration and student visas by EO, Cruz could be born on the MOON and it wouldn't matter.

Precedent has been set.