Reagan always negotiated from position of strength. He would never gabbled an lower The U.S. to get a deal with anybody. When Reagan was president we we're expanding our influence, and building up our military. Certainty not ceding our sovereignty to U.N. and cutting our military. That's the leftist, America hating method.
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Teaching Obama
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Reagan always negotiated from position of strength. He would never gabbled an lower The U.S. to get a deal with anybody. When Reagan was president we we're expanding our influence, and building up our military. Certainty not ceding our sovereignty to U.N. and cutting our military. That's the leftist, America hating method.
President Obama will be remembered as the American that broke the glass ceiling. The President that gave us the start of a real Health Care System. The President that pulled us out of the Second Great Republican Depression. The GOP handed him a nation and world headed straight over the economic cliff. 500,000 to 750,000 jobs lost a month, the market headed straight down, and consumer confidence at the level of 1929. In spite of the GOP attempt to put the final touches on the Second Great Republican Depression, we have pulled back to record levels of the DOW, unemployment in the 5% levels, and successfully replacing fossil fuels with renewables at less cost than the fossil fuels. President Obama will be remembered as a very successful President, and you 'Conservatives' will be remembered with the 'Conservatives' of FDR's era. With an embarrassed giggle that we had such dumb Americans in that period.
What a joke. idiot like you wont even know the damage this pathetic, poor excuse, for a president has done to this country till long after he's out of office, and you don't care because you're a follower.
What does Europe want? oil. What does China want? Oil. Europe has given us two world wars, yeah we should follow themHey, where do you get the idea that only Oblama and Ketsup were he only two negotiators?Wishful thinking how does it allow them to get the bomb? ....We have cut nuke deals before and they turned out just fine with countries that already have the bomb......But again this thread and the statements are mere words of dissatisfaction with a party and president and have nothing to do with reality....Yet the DOD says they got what they wanted out of the deal...Oh really? When did they get one?One can only wonder why Barack Hussein Obama (peace be on him) considers it so very important that Iran have a nuclear bomb.
And why any American would support that view.
not yet, but the deal ensures that they will get one (or more).
Clinton made a similar deal with North Korea, North Korea has nukes.
If you study the deal, it ensures that Iran will have bomb making material in a few years. But since inspections are only allowed after a 24 day waiting period and no US inspections are allowed, they could get a nuke much sooner.
Obama and Kerry got taken to the cleaners by the mullahs-----------and 4 american hostages still sit in Iranian prisons.
Fuck the prisoners, you never gave a shit about them until your party told you to walk that line...
They already get oil and natural gas from other nations, Iran will have a lot of catching up to do in oil contracts...What does Europe want? oil. What does China want? Oil. Europe has given us two world wars, yeah we should follow themHey, where do you get the idea that only Oblama and Ketsup were he only two negotiators?Wishful thinking how does it allow them to get the bomb? ....We have cut nuke deals before and they turned out just fine with countries that already have the bomb......But again this thread and the statements are mere words of dissatisfaction with a party and president and have nothing to do with reality....Yet the DOD says they got what they wanted out of the deal...Oh really? When did they get one?
not yet, but the deal ensures that they will get one (or more).
Clinton made a similar deal with North Korea, North Korea has nukes.
If you study the deal, it ensures that Iran will have bomb making material in a few years. But since inspections are only allowed after a 24 day waiting period and no US inspections are allowed, they could get a nuke much sooner.
Obama and Kerry got taken to the cleaners by the mullahs-----------and 4 american hostages still sit in Iranian prisons.
Fuck the prisoners, you never gave a shit about them until your party told you to walk that line...
Europe needs oil, China needs oil there is also a lot of money to be made in Iran for these countries...Wake up!They already get oil and natural gas from other nations, Iran will have a lot of catching up to do in oil contracts...What does Europe want? oil. What does China want? Oil. Europe has given us two world wars, yeah we should follow themHey, where do you get the idea that only Oblama and Ketsup were he only two negotiators?Wishful thinking how does it allow them to get the bomb? ....We have cut nuke deals before and they turned out just fine with countries that already have the bomb......But again this thread and the statements are mere words of dissatisfaction with a party and president and have nothing to do with reality....Yet the DOD says they got what they wanted out of the deal...not yet, but the deal ensures that they will get one (or more).
Clinton made a similar deal with North Korea, North Korea has nukes.
If you study the deal, it ensures that Iran will have bomb making material in a few years. But since inspections are only allowed after a 24 day waiting period and no US inspections are allowed, they could get a nuke much sooner.
Obama and Kerry got taken to the cleaners by the mullahs-----------and 4 american hostages still sit in Iranian prisons.
Fuck the prisoners, you never gave a shit about them until your party told you to walk that line...
imawhosure
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I find anyone supporting this deal extremely naïve.
When Reagan cut the deal with Gorby, we had nukes pointed at them, they had nukes pointed at us. He won the negotiation!
Let us look at the Iran deal, shall we; negotiated by our brilliant fearless leader, Obysmal. Let us not read it, let us use what we know, and decide who won the day.
1. Does Iran have nukes? Well no we should suppose, or why make this deal.
2. Do we have nukes? Well yes. So who holds all the cards? We do!
3. What did Iran get? 150 billion injected into an economy of 450 billion per year. Lifting of sanctions, we have to help protect their nuclear program. We also get no on demand inspections, they get to keep thousands of centrifuges, they get to keep their ICBM program, no language against funding terrorism, and they get to keep our hostages.
What did America get?
1. We got a promise from a country who has never kept their promise.
2. We get to look at sites after 24 days. Oh wait, no we don't, Europe does.
3. Ummmmmm, ummmmmmmmmmmm, ummmmmmmmmmm, we made Valerie Jarret happy.
That's it folks! So who won the negotiations? Are you feeling safer now?
Maybe to the chagrin of political chic, I have to agree somewhat with that other poster. Washington is out of touch with all of us living in the heartland. The only thing they know how to do is use buzzwords and catchphrases, to get their minions in a lather. Actually, Washington is OUT OF CONTROL! It has nothing to do with who holds the Whitehouse, senate, or controls the House of Representatives either. They live on an island there, do not know a thing about what is going on in America, and only care when it is election time.
You would think democrats would wake up to the fact that 4 of the 5 richest counties in America ring Washington DC. All Americans, but especially democrats should be incensed. Exactly what do they make in Washington DC democrats? Do they make autos? Do they have Wall Street? Computers? Missiles? Planes? Tanks? No, oh no, they make POLICY!!! And to think your "down with the struggle" democrats aren't living in largesse there, is total fantasy.
If you were a REALLY SMART democrat, you would want a convention of the states to return power to the states where the constitution says it belongs. That would break up that cabal in Washington real quick, and your politicians couldn't get greased so much to vote against your will.
When Reagan cut the deal with Gorby, we had nukes pointed at them, they had nukes pointed at us. He won the negotiation!
Let us look at the Iran deal, shall we; negotiated by our brilliant fearless leader, Obysmal. Let us not read it, let us use what we know, and decide who won the day.
1. Does Iran have nukes? Well no we should suppose, or why make this deal.
2. Do we have nukes? Well yes. So who holds all the cards? We do!
3. What did Iran get? 150 billion injected into an economy of 450 billion per year. Lifting of sanctions, we have to help protect their nuclear program. We also get no on demand inspections, they get to keep thousands of centrifuges, they get to keep their ICBM program, no language against funding terrorism, and they get to keep our hostages.
What did America get?
1. We got a promise from a country who has never kept their promise.
2. We get to look at sites after 24 days. Oh wait, no we don't, Europe does.
3. Ummmmmm, ummmmmmmmmmmm, ummmmmmmmmmm, we made Valerie Jarret happy.
That's it folks! So who won the negotiations? Are you feeling safer now?
Maybe to the chagrin of political chic, I have to agree somewhat with that other poster. Washington is out of touch with all of us living in the heartland. The only thing they know how to do is use buzzwords and catchphrases, to get their minions in a lather. Actually, Washington is OUT OF CONTROL! It has nothing to do with who holds the Whitehouse, senate, or controls the House of Representatives either. They live on an island there, do not know a thing about what is going on in America, and only care when it is election time.
You would think democrats would wake up to the fact that 4 of the 5 richest counties in America ring Washington DC. All Americans, but especially democrats should be incensed. Exactly what do they make in Washington DC democrats? Do they make autos? Do they have Wall Street? Computers? Missiles? Planes? Tanks? No, oh no, they make POLICY!!! And to think your "down with the struggle" democrats aren't living in largesse there, is total fantasy.
If you were a REALLY SMART democrat, you would want a convention of the states to return power to the states where the constitution says it belongs. That would break up that cabal in Washington real quick, and your politicians couldn't get greased so much to vote against your will.
Raygun the chickenhawk covert moron was FOS, his only good acting job beside King's Row lol. We're lucky his bluster and flag waving bs didn't wreck Gorby and bring back USSR's hardliners.
States rights is code for protecting bigotry and regression.
Europe is leading the way on alternate energy- or was tyvm. The GOP is the worst on that and everything else. A bought off, lying, thieving disgrace. Bringing up WWI is nuts. WWII wouldn't have happened without Pubs wrecking the League and then the world economy AGAIN.
It's time to stop demonizing Iran and let them up. They are the youngest and best educated country in the ME- there's no evidence they actually want nuclear weapons but RW hysteria, and we've been screwing the hell out of them since oil was discovered there. They haven't invade anyone since before Alexander the Great.
States rights is code for protecting bigotry and regression.
Europe is leading the way on alternate energy- or was tyvm. The GOP is the worst on that and everything else. A bought off, lying, thieving disgrace. Bringing up WWI is nuts. WWII wouldn't have happened without Pubs wrecking the League and then the world economy AGAIN.
It's time to stop demonizing Iran and let them up. They are the youngest and best educated country in the ME- there's no evidence they actually want nuclear weapons but RW hysteria, and we've been screwing the hell out of them since oil was discovered there. They haven't invade anyone since before Alexander the Great.
Wishful thinking how does it allow them to get the bomb? ....We have cut nuke deals before and they turned out just fine with countries that already have the bomb......But again this thread and the statements are mere words of dissatisfaction with a party and president and have nothing to do with reality....Yet the DOD says they got what they wanted out of the deal...Oh really? When did they get one?One can only wonder why Barack Hussein Obama (peace be on him) considers it so very important that Iran have a nuclear bomb.
And why any American would support that view.
not yet, but the deal ensures that they will get one (or more).
Clinton cut a similar deal with north korea---------------they now have nukes.
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Wishful thinking how does it allow them to get the bomb? ....We have cut nuke deals before and they turned out just fine with countries that already have the bomb......But again this thread and the statements are mere words of dissatisfaction with a party and president and have nothing to do with reality....Yet the DOD says they got what they wanted out of the deal...Oh really? When did they get one?One can only wonder why Barack Hussein Obama (peace be on him) considers it so very important that Iran have a nuclear bomb.
And why any American would support that view.
not yet, but the deal ensures that they will get one (or more).
Clinton cut a similar deal with north korea---------------they now have nukes.
Something else Obama and Clinton could have learned from the finest President in the last hundred years:
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Raygun the chickenhawk covert moron was FOS, his only good acting job beside King's Row lol. We're lucky his bluster and flag waving bs didn't wreck Gorby and bring back USSR's hardliners.
States rights is code for protecting bigotry and regression.
Europe is leading the way on alternate energy- or was tyvm. The GOP is the worst on that and everything else. A bought off, lying, thieving disgrace. Bringing up WWI is nuts. WWII wouldn't have happened without Pubs wrecking the League and then the world economy AGAIN.
It's time to stop demonizing Iran and let them up. They are the youngest and best educated country in the ME- there's no evidence they actually want nuclear weapons but RW hysteria, and we've been screwing the hell out of them since oil was discovered there. They haven't invade anyone since before Alexander the Great.
How many times must your lies be corrected, Blanko????
1. "Reagan’s legacy affects us dramatically today in two ways. First, Reagan’s anti-Communist foreign policy and his military buildup hastened the disintegration of the Soviet Union. In the past eight years, America’s victory in the Cold War generated a half-trillion-dollar peace dividend. That peace dividend grows every year, and it fell like manna from heaven into President Clinton’s lap. The budget deficit is falling, not primarily because Clinton raised taxes and not primarily because the congressional Republicans committed themselves to a balanced budget, but because the defense budget is nearly $100 billion lower today than when the Berlin Wall came down."
Who Balanced the Budget Cato Institute
2. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.
George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ
Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
3. The benefits from Reaganomics:
(US Department of the Treasury)
- The economy grew at a 3.4% average rate…compared with 2.9% for the previous eight years, and 2.7% for the next eight.(Table B-4)
- Inflation rate dropped from 12.5% to 4.4%. (Table B-63)
- Unemployment fell to 5.5% from 7.1% (Table B-35)
- Prime interest rate fell by one-third.(Table B-73)
- The S & P 500 jumped 124% (Table B-95) http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/tables10.html
- Charitable contributions rose 57% faster than inflation. Dinesh D’Souza, “Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary May Became an Extraordinary Leader,” p. 116
I love how these facts make you Liberal dopes cry.
imawhosure
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Raygun the chickenhawk covert moron was FOS, his only good acting job beside King's Row lol. We're lucky his bluster and flag waving bs didn't wreck Gorby and bring back USSR's hardliners.
States rights is code for protecting bigotry and regression.
Europe is leading the way on alternate energy- or was tyvm. The GOP is the worst on that and everything else. A bought off, lying, thieving disgrace. Bringing up WWI is nuts. WWII wouldn't have happened without Pubs wrecking the League and then the world economy AGAIN.
It's time to stop demonizing Iran and let them up. They are the youngest and best educated country in the ME- there's no evidence they actually want nuclear weapons but RW hysteria, and we've been screwing the hell out of them since oil was discovered there. They haven't invade anyone since before Alexander the Great.
I am glad you posted this, seriously. I want others to see the obvious ant-American rant, for Europe and Iran, against the Americas. This is what leftists/socialists support.
This is the base of Obama, the base of Hillary, the base of the NEW democratic party. Now then, you conservatives that are NOT registered to vote, can I give you any more of a reason after looking at this leftists diatribe, to do so!
Raygun the chickenhawk covert moron was FOS, his only good acting job beside King's Row lol. We're lucky his bluster and flag waving bs didn't wreck Gorby and bring back USSR's hardliners.
States rights is code for protecting bigotry and regression.
Europe is leading the way on alternate energy- or was tyvm. The GOP is the worst on that and everything else. A bought off, lying, thieving disgrace. Bringing up WWI is nuts. WWII wouldn't have happened without Pubs wrecking the League and then the world economy AGAIN.
It's time to stop demonizing Iran and let them up. They are the youngest and best educated country in the ME- there's no evidence they actually want nuclear weapons but RW hysteria, and we've been screwing the hell out of them since oil was discovered there. They haven't invade anyone since before Alexander the Great.
How many times must your lies be corrected, Blanko????
1. "Reagan’s legacy affects us dramatically today in two ways. First, Reagan’s anti-Communist foreign policy and his military buildup hastened the disintegration of the Soviet Union. In the past eight years, America’s victory in the Cold War generated a half-trillion-dollar peace dividend. That peace dividend grows every year, and it fell like manna from heaven into President Clinton’s lap. The budget deficit is falling, not primarily because Clinton raised taxes and not primarily because the congressional Republicans committed themselves to a balanced budget, but because the defense budget is nearly $100 billion lower today than when the Berlin Wall came down."
Who Balanced the Budget Cato Institute
2. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.
George Gilder The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ
Reaganomics - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
3. The benefits from Reaganomics:
(US Department of the Treasury)
- The economy grew at a 3.4% average rate…compared with 2.9% for the previous eight years, and 2.7% for the next eight.(Table B-4)
- Inflation rate dropped from 12.5% to 4.4%. (Table B-63)
- Unemployment fell to 5.5% from 7.1% (Table B-35)
- Prime interest rate fell by one-third.(Table B-73)
- The S & P 500 jumped 124% (Table B-95) http://www.gpoaccess.gov/eop/tables10.html
- Charitable contributions rose 57% faster than inflation. Dinesh D’Souza, “Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary May Became an Extraordinary Leader,” p. 116
I love how these facts make you Liberal dopes cry.
But, but,but, thats not what their leftardian teachers from the teachers union told them.
Facts are always the enemy of liberals, thats why they never deal with them.
to libs, its all about feeeeeeeeeeeeeelings and emooooooooooootions.
NYcarbineer
Diamond Member
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1. "Reagan’s legacy affects us dramatically today in two ways. First, Reagan’s anti-Communist foreign policy and his military buildup hastened the disintegration of the Soviet Union. In the past eight years, America’s victory in the Cold War generated a half-trillion-dollar peace dividend. That peace dividend grows every year, and it fell like manna from heaven into President Clinton’s lap. The budget deficit is falling, not primarily because Clinton raised taxes and not primarily because the congressional Republicans committed themselves to a balanced budget, but because the defense budget is nearly $100 billion lower today than when the Berlin Wall came down."
Who Balanced the Budget Cato Institute
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Wow, not often you see a rightwing neocon admit that profligate US defense spending is a major contributor to our crippling deficits.
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1. "Reagan’s legacy affects us dramatically today in two ways. First, Reagan’s anti-Communist foreign policy and his military buildup hastened the disintegration of the Soviet Union. In the past eight years, America’s victory in the Cold War generated a half-trillion-dollar peace dividend. That peace dividend grows every year, and it fell like manna from heaven into President Clinton’s lap. The budget deficit is falling, not primarily because Clinton raised taxes and not primarily because the congressional Republicans committed themselves to a balanced budget, but because the defense budget is nearly $100 billion lower today than when the Berlin Wall came down."
Who Balanced the Budget Cato Institute
.
Wow, not often you see a rightwing neocon admit that profligate US defense spending is a major contributor to our crippling deficits.
Tell us , oh great libtardian wizard, where does military spending go? Who gets the money spent by DOD? Do you have any idea?
Never mind, I will tell you. Defense spending goes to american companies, american blue collar workers, many of them union members. Who do you think builds our planes, ships, tanks, ammo, uniforms, rations, boots, etc. Not the fricken chinese or mexicans---------------american tax paying workers.
So go stick your libtardian membersip card up your ass and move to north korea, ya fricken loon.
gorbachev did it not raygus
Gorby would never have torn down the wall if not for Reagan.
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1. "Reagan’s legacy affects us dramatically today in two ways. First, Reagan’s anti-Communist foreign policy and his military buildup hastened the disintegration of the Soviet Union. In the past eight years, America’s victory in the Cold War generated a half-trillion-dollar peace dividend. That peace dividend grows every year, and it fell like manna from heaven into President Clinton’s lap. The budget deficit is falling, not primarily because Clinton raised taxes and not primarily because the congressional Republicans committed themselves to a balanced budget, but because the defense budget is nearly $100 billion lower today than when the Berlin Wall came down."
Who Balanced the Budget Cato Institute
.
Wow, not often you see a rightwing neocon admit that profligate US defense spending is a major contributor to our crippling deficits.
It is often....with metronomic regularity, in fact, that Leftists carefully remove the truth so that they can post lies.
Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
- But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
Obama ginned up more debt than all of the Presidents before him.
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gorbachev did it not raygus
That's the sort of lie put out by Leftist elites for their dumbest acolytes to consume.
And you really are one of the dumbest, aren't you.
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NYcarbineer
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1. "Reagan’s legacy affects us dramatically today in two ways. First, Reagan’s anti-Communist foreign policy and his military buildup hastened the disintegration of the Soviet Union. In the past eight years, America’s victory in the Cold War generated a half-trillion-dollar peace dividend. That peace dividend grows every year, and it fell like manna from heaven into President Clinton’s lap. The budget deficit is falling, not primarily because Clinton raised taxes and not primarily because the congressional Republicans committed themselves to a balanced budget, but because the defense budget is nearly $100 billion lower today than when the Berlin Wall came down."
Who Balanced the Budget Cato Institute
.
Wow, not often you see a rightwing neocon admit that profligate US defense spending is a major contributor to our crippling deficits.
It is often....with metronomic regularity, in fact, that Leftists carefully remove the truth so that they can post lies.
Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
- But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
Obama ginned up more debt than all of the Presidents before him.
National wealth went up under Clinton too.
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gorbachev did it not raygus
That's the sort of lie put out by Leftist elites for their dumbest acolytes to consume.
And you really are one of the dumbest,aren't you.
gorbachev changed the USSR not ronny you fact averse idiot
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