Tea Party "terrorists"?

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The hyperbole not withstanding, the article does make some accurate points:

the tea party- manufactured debt crisis.

Which is true, the ‘debt ceiling crisis,' is a TPM political contrivance.

Also:

Out of this vow grew the phony linkage between raising the debt ceiling and addressing the deficit. Raising the debt ceiling, of course, has nothing to do with addressing the deficit. It simply allows the federal government to pay debts that have already been incurred, based on expenditures that Congress has already authorized.

Congress needed only raise the debt ceiling and move on to substantive negotiations to address the deficit. This idiocy was completely avoidable, as the perception of the TPM as terrorists. Indeed, the TPM is alone responsible for the negative opinion Americans have of the ‘movement.’

 

[Patrick2]

It's called an entitlement because we are entitled to it for paying into it for decades.

Don't know exactly how the word entitlement got such a bad rap by conservatives. Social Security is an Insurance program.

"Entitlements" are ruining this country financially. Even FDR didn't intend SS to be a retirement plan, and at that time there were 20 workers for every recipient, and people lived to 60. Now they live to 80 or longer, and soon the payer to recipient level will be only 2 to 1. THE ARITHMETIC DOESN'T WORK.

No, entitlements are not what is ruining this country. Stop being ridiculously hyperbolic. We aren't "ruined" by any stretch of the imagination.

Oh yaaaaaaaaaaaaa - $14 trillion debt and the country isn't being ruined. Now if it were $100 trillion, or $1 Quadrillion, THAT would REALLY be ruining it, right? Right.

 

[Truthmatters]

who crashed the world economy in 2008?

 

[Seawytch]

"Entitlements" are ruining this country financially. Even FDR didn't intend SS to be a retirement plan, and at that time there were 20 workers for every recipient, and people lived to 60. Now they live to 80 or longer, and soon the payer to recipient level will be only 2 to 1. THE ARITHMETIC DOESN'T WORK.

No, entitlements are not what is ruining this country. Stop being ridiculously hyperbolic. We aren't "ruined" by any stretch of the imagination.

Oh yaaaaaaaaaaaaa - $14 trillion debt and the country isn't being ruined. Now if it were $100 trillion, or $1 Quadrillion, THAT would REALLY be ruining it, right? Right.

What part of that debt is "entitlements"?

 

[Seawytch]

And the contributing factors to each were?

 

[bripat9643]

And the contributing factors to each were?

The trajectories on your graph are pure meaningless bullshit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"Entitlements" are ruining this country financially. Even FDR didn't intend SS to be a retirement plan, and at that time there were 20 workers for every recipient, and people lived to 60. Now they live to 80 or longer, and soon the payer to recipient level will be only 2 to 1. THE ARITHMETIC DOESN'T WORK.

No, entitlements are not what is ruining this country. Stop being ridiculously hyperbolic. We aren't "ruined" by any stretch of the imagination.

Oh yaaaaaaaaaaaaa - $14 trillion debt and the country isn't being ruined. Now if it were $100 trillion, or $1 Quadrillion, THAT would REALLY be ruining it, right? Right.

Our debt comes from fighting wars without paying for them.

 

[Seawytch]

And the contributing factors to each were?

The trajectories on your graph are pure meaningless bullshit.

On your say so? Your facts to the contrary would be where exactly?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Quoting Mr. Yeomans:

"...it has become clear that many in the tea party are willing to inflict massive harm on the American people to obtain their political objective of a severely shrunken federal government."

1. Is that statement true or false?

2. If that statement is true, does what is described accurately fit a general definition of terrorism,

or not?

So no one disputes the substance of what he said?

Y'all just needed another good cry, and this is today's excuse?

lolol

Inflicting less government on the American people will cause them irreparable harm. It's too stupid to refute.

That's not what it means. The tea party would see the country default if they can't get their way.

That is the harm being talked about. Try again.

 

[Ernie S.]

They have made the gun sales to the drug cartels possible with their gun laws.


The right has also created this tactic of holding the economy of this country hostage to their minority demands.

The tea party does not believe in the reason this country was designed as it was.

They want the minority to lead the country.

That is not what the founders had in mind was it.

Do you ever consult anywhere but Huff Po for your information? You are not only insane, you're ignorant as well.

 

[Full-Auto]

The hyperbole not withstanding, the article does make some accurate points:

the tea party- manufactured debt crisis.

Which is true, the ‘debt ceiling crisis,' is a TPM political contrivance.

Also:

Out of this vow grew the phony linkage between raising the debt ceiling and addressing the deficit. Raising the debt ceiling, of course, has nothing to do with addressing the deficit. It simply allows the federal government to pay debts that have already been incurred, based on expenditures that Congress has already authorized.

Congress needed only raise the debt ceiling and move on to substantive negotiations to address the deficit. This idiocy was completely avoidable, as the perception of the TPM as terrorists. Indeed, the TPM is alone responsible for the negative opinion Americans have of the ‘movement.’

Laughable on its face.

But the establishment has gotten used to living on borrowed money which you apparently support.

 

[Ernie S.]

That's pretty silly.

What is so silly about it Toro? If you actually harm and even KILL Americans, WHAT would you call it Toro?

The “Cut, Cap, and Balance Act” Teapbulicans passed in the House stands out as one of the most ideologically extreme pieces of major budget legislation to come before Congress in years, if not decades. It would go a substantial way toward enshrining Grover Norquist’s version of America into law.

The House Speaker John Boehner’s new budget proposal would essentially require, as the price of raising the debt ceiling again early next year, a choice between deep cuts in the years immediately ahead in Social Security and Medicare benefits for current retirees, repeal of health reform’s coverage expansions, or wholesale evisceration of basic assistance programs for vulnerable Americans.

The plan is, thus, tantamount to a form of “class warfare.” If enacted, it could well produce the greatest increase in poverty and hardship produced by any law in modern U.S. history.

Just what the fuck is wrong with making the freeloaders share some of the pain?
The people paying the bills have seen their savings disappear, the price of their homes fall in the toilet and their income diminish due to stupid liberal policy. Isn't it time THEY got some relief?

 

[Ernie S.]

name calling is all the right has.


They cant gain votes by physically threatening people anymore so now they just try to threaten them economically.


They are the minority and no minority should be able to hold the American people hostage.

The minority??? Where have you been since November of 2010? The US House of Representatives has, what 64 new Republican members for a substantial majority. The Senate with only 1/3 of it's members up for reelection came close to changing hands. and your President has a -19 in the Rasmussen Daily Presidential Tracking Poll.
The Democrats may still hold the Senate and the Executive branch, but they do not have the backing of the Electorate.

 

[Ernie S.]

who crashed the world economy in 2008?

Carter's Community Reinvestment Act. Without that, there would have been no sub-prime mortgages, no derivitives and no real estate crash. Simple, huh?

 

[oreo]

Look what this leftwing thug said:

Opinion: The tea party's terrorist tactics - William Yeomans - POLITICO.com

Notice how the leftwing turns their "civility" mantra off and on like a light switch?

Well--get used to it. Ever since it started--we tea party members have been called everything in the book--including being racist. According to republican senator John McCain--who can't stand us either--we tea party Americans are now "hobbits that have risen up from middle earth to defeat Mordor

Personally I couldn't be more proud to be referred to as a Hobbit. Everyone knows that in the epic--Lord of the Rings--the ONLY people who could be trusted with the ring--aka the national treasury--are hobbitts.---

 

[oreo]

who crashed the world economy in 2008?

Jimmy Carter started Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. You've been on this board long enough to know that.

Basically it expanded--like the Federal Government ALWAYS expands programs--to where they thought it would be a great idea to co-sign our names to 50% of the mortgages in this country. This while the CLINTON administration was pressuring banks to lower their lending practices. No down payment--no collateral and a less than a desirable credit rating and sub-prime loaning--could buy you a 400K custom home. Why? Because they had 310 million American co-signers. It was Robert Rubin and Allen Greenspan that fully supported and defended Wall Street's derivitives market. This where Wall Street bankers bought up these mortgage backed securities as fast as they could and then started trading them in the "mother of all casino's"--hedge funds aka the derivitives markets.


Basically the Federal Government built a house of cards that collapsed leaving the American taxpayer holding the bag. That's what happened to our economy--and it started long-long ago.

Fannie Mae, the nation's biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in profits.

Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending - NYTimes.com

 

[Truthmatters]

How many sub prime loans were written beyond the requirements of that program?


It was not that program that wrote and benifited finacilly from the vast majority of sub primes.


Lying about what caused the problem is not going to get you anywhere .

 

[oreo]

How many sub prime loans were written beyond the requirements of that program?


It was not that program that wrote and benifited finacilly from the vast majority of sub primes.


Lying about what caused the problem is not going to get you anywhere .

Who fully supported and defended sub-prime mortgages? Robert Rubin--Clinton's treasury secretary--and Allan Greenspan.

BTW--they are both on video for apologizing for their misguided beliefs in all of this.

And just WHO are you accusing of "lying?" I posted a link to the New York Times article--READ IT!

 

[Truthmatters]

How many sub prime where written by entities with NO connection to the program?


Most of them you silly person

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Tea Party "terrorists"?

....Strike, AGAIN!!!​

"The clinic doesn't provide abortions, but there had been protesters there earlier that day anyway."