Taxing your Car Mileage... What?

[Lumpy 1]

What we are seeing is the affect of increased efficiency of the cars and trucks, and the emergence of EVs. We depend on the Interstates for transportation, both personal and commercial. If we fail to fund the maintenance of the system, it will fail. We see every year now old bridges failing, sometimes catastrophically.

So, do you want to fund the system out of income taxes, or taxes on those that use the system? Or do you just want to shut the system down?

How 'bout finding it through cuts elsewhere? Like getting rid of three of the four overlapping land-management bureaucracies?

You'd make a lousy bureaucrat..

 

[JBeukema]

While we're at it, let's take a looks at congressional pay and remove congress' ability to set its own wage. We can provide them each with an office in a small complex to be leased for use by congress. We can also rent out or buy several apartment complexes and give each congressperson a 1-bedroom or studio to use when in D.C. Then we can pay them $14,000/yr (congressional pay = the equivalent of 40 hours/week at federal minimum wage). That should pay for their groceries and laundry, right? For traveling to and from their districts, they will be entitled to one round-trip flight in coach on a national airline per week.

You know what, I'm feeling generous and I know they oft have families. I can see making it $30k/yr. Every other American seems to be able to make it by on that, and we've already covered many of their costs...

Median household income in the US ~ $50k/yr. Rank-and-file in congress are getting $175k/yr because they set their own pay. Congress is a service, a duty. It's not supposed to be a career.

 

[JBeukema]

Maybe we can get the Fed out of school lunch programs while we're at it. Nobody's been able to make a case why they need to be involved in the first place. SNAP is supposed to be providing food at home anyway, and I see no reasons the States couldn't manage their own programs just fine and be more responsive to the demands of the parents in their districts...


And maybe if we stop going to war every-damn-place, we can set up a council to look into all the programs the military has going and see whether we really need all of them...

Do we have enough to pave the fucking road yet?

 

[Lumpy 1]

Sheesh ... get it all off your chest Buddy.... so far, you have my vote..

 

[Skull Pilot]

You fellows are still leaving the question unanswered. How do you propose to pay for the roads that the vehicles travel on?

Tolls. Make all state and federal highways toll roads. There is no need to put citizens under surveillance via mileage tracking transponders.

 

[Toronado3800]

Tolls are about the same thing. Only difference is a fella in a booth is taking your money when you get on or off vs a fella at a pc.

 

[editec]

Cars were a bad idea from the getgo.

I say we get rid of all of them and start over.

 

[Intense]

Troll Bridges and Tunnels around NYC bleed us dry. That is probably the point though.

B&T Crossing Charges

Cars
2-axle passenger vehicles 7,000 lbs. MGW (maximum gross weight) and under.
E-ZPass Cash
Verrazano–Narrows Bridge (One–Way Tolling) $9.60
$13.00
Staten Island Resident Token $7.72
Staten Island Resident E–ZPass $5.76
Staten Island Resident Carpool $2.68

E-ZPass Cash
Major Crossings

- Robert F. Kennedy Bridge
- Bronx-Whitestone Bridge
- Throgs Neck Bridge
- Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel
- Queens Midtown Tunnel
$4.80
$6.50

Henry Hudson Bridge $2.20
$4.00

E-ZPass Cash
Minor Crossings

- Marine Parkway‑Gil Hodges Memorial Bridge
- Cross Bay Veterans Memorial Bridge
$1.80
$3.25
Minor Token $2.17
Rockaway Resident Token $1.62
Rockaway Resident E-ZPass $1.19

Cars: Each Additional axle (Cash and E‑ZPass): E-ZPass
Cash
Verrazano-Narrows Bridge $5.50 $5.50
Major Crossings

- Robert F. Kennedy Bridge
- Bronx-Whitestone Bridge
- Throgs Neck Bridge
- Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel
- Queens Midtown Tunnel
$2.75 $2.75
Henry Hudson Bridge
$2.00 $2.00
Minor Crossings

- Marine Parkway‑Gil Hodges Memorial Bridge
- Cross Bay Veterans Memorial Bridge
$2.00 $2.00


Motorcycles
E-ZPass Cash
Verrazano-Narrows Bridge (One-Way Tolling) $4.18 $5.50

Major Crossings

- Robert F. Kennedy Bridge
- Bronx-Whitestone Bridge
- Throgs Neck Bridge
- Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel
- Queens Midtown Tunnel
$2.09
$2.75

E-ZPass
Cash
Henry Hudson Bridge
$1.49 $2.75

E-ZPass Cash
Minor Crossings

- Marine Parkway‑Gil Hodges Memorial Bridge
- Cross Bay Veterans Memorial Bridge
$1.49
$2.75




Trucks
More than 7,000 lbs. MGW (maximum gross weight)
Verrazano-Narrows Bridge (One-Way Tolling) E-ZPass Cash
2 Axle $17.32 $26.00
3 Axle $28.36 $42.00
4 Axle $36.24 $54.00
5 Axle $47.26 $70.00
6 Axle $55.14 $82.00
7 Axle $66.16 $100.00
Each Additional Axle Above 7 $11.04 $16.00

Major Crossings

- Robert F. Kennedy Bridge
- Bronx-Whitestone Bridge
- Throgs Neck Bridge
- Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel
- Queens Midtown Tunnel
E-ZPass Cash
2 Axle $8.66 $13.00
3 Axle $14.18 $21.00
4 Axle $18.12 $27.00
5 Axle $23.63 $35.00
6 Axle $27.57 $41.00
7 Axle $33.08 $50.00
Each Additional Axle Above 7 $5.52 $8.00

Minor Crossings

- Marine Parkway‑Gil Hodges Memorial Bridge
- Cross Bay Veterans Memorial Bridge
E-ZPass Cash
2 Axle $4.33 $6.50
3 Axle $7.09 $10.50
4 Axle $9.06 $13.50
5 Axle $11.82 $17.50
6 Axle $13.79 $20.50
7 Axle $16.54 $25.00
Each Additional Axle Above 7 $2.76 $4.00



Franchise Buses — E-ZPass
Verrazano-Narrows Bridge (One-Way Tolling) E-ZPass
2 Axle $6.94
3 Axle $8.24

Major Crossings

- Robert F. Kennedy Bridge
- Bronx-Whitestone Bridge
- Throgs Neck Bridge
- Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel
- Queens Midtown Tunnel
E-ZPass
2 Axle $3.47
3 Axle $4.12

Minor Crossings

- Marine Parkway‑Gil Hodges Memorial Bridge
- Cross Bay Veterans Memorial Bridge
E-ZPass
2 Axle $1.73
3 Axle $2.17

The Authority reserves the right to determine whether any vehicle is of unusual or unconventional design, weight, or construction and therefore not within any of the listed categories. The Authority also reserves the right to determine the crossing charge for any such vehicle of unusual or unconventional design, weight, or construction.

Bicycles are not permitted over Bronx-Whitestone, Throgs Neck, and Verrazano-Narrows Bridges, or through the tunnels. Such vehicles may cross the pedestrian paths at the Robert F. Kennedy, Henry Hudson, Marine Parkway-Gil Hodges Memorial, and Cross Bay Veterans Memorial Bridges without payment of crossing charge, but they must be walked across the pedestrian paths of these bridges.

Only vehicles authorized to use parkways are authorized to use the Henry Hudson Bridge.

 

[FuelRod]

Cars were a bad idea from the getgo.

I say we get rid of all of them and start over.

There's another thread about this. Something about some jackass trying to develop a human/horse hybrid.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Cars were a bad idea from the getgo.

I say we get rid of all of them and start over.

There's another thread about this. Something about some jackass trying to develop a human/horse hybrid.

Lets go rickshaw...

 

[percysunshine]

WTF is a Troll Bridge?

 

[Lumpy 1]

WTF is a Troll Bridge?

What .. you never read, " Billy Goats Gruff".?

 

[percysunshine]

WTF is a Troll Bridge?

What .. you never read, " Billy Goats Gruff".?

The troll under the bridge looked alot like the last politician I voted for.

 

[Lumpy 1]

WTF is a Troll Bridge?

What .. you never read, " Billy Goats Gruff".?

The troll under the bridge looked alot like the last politician I voted for.

Heck.. and me with no rep .. this sucks...

 

[Skull Pilot]

Tolls are about the same thing. Only difference is a fella in a booth is taking your money when you get on or off vs a fella at a pc.

Paying a toll at the on ramp of a highway is not the same as having a government transponder track your every move.

Make ALL federal highways toll roads and get rid of the nearly 20 cent a gallon federal gas tax.

 

[mudwhistle]

Much easier to raise fuel taxes. It should have been done in 1999 when gasoline was $1.00/gallon.

I've got another solution.

Instead of screwing Americans start charging other countries for defending them from aggressors. You know, Japan, Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan, S. Korea, etc.

 

[CoolBreeze]

So they can put you in their re-education camps once they start them up, why else.

 

[Old Rocks]

You fellows are still leaving the question unanswered. How do you propose to pay for the roads that the vehicles travel on?

Tolls. Make all state and federal highways toll roads. There is no need to put citizens under surveillance via mileage tracking transponders.

Do you carry a cell phone?

 

[Skull Pilot]

You fellows are still leaving the question unanswered. How do you propose to pay for the roads that the vehicles travel on?

Tolls. Make all state and federal highways toll roads. There is no need to put citizens under surveillance via mileage tracking transponders.

Do you carry a cell phone?

Yes and it's turned off most of the time because I hate the fucking thing.

 

[signelect]

This idea of spending less is just not working i congress with both parties. They have magnificence salaries and benefits yet they have not made one offer to take a cut. Oh I remember they are better than we peons are.